Cohen HAS to go.

[Drugdog]

Nm

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Now, now....we had injuries and bad luck. All it was.

[WeWonItAll(Most)]

Have you seen our recruiting class???

[CJDAWG85]

A ****ing men

[War Machine Dawg]

It's sad, but nothing gets our alumni off the bandwagon and motivated for change faster than losing to Mississippi. And losing the way we did might have been worse than them just skull****ing us in all 3 games.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

I want a new coach so we'll have dirt base paths and home plate in the new Dude. Something else for me to bitch about. Hate that artificial turf shit. But looking at our infield this year, we're probably lucky it was there.

[Dawgface]

Maybe Cohen will be embarrassed enough to resign. Wishful thinking I know.......

[fader2103]

There better be some staff changes. Or it might be as well be another croom.2 offseason

[cbrunt29]

Maybe Cohen will be embarrassed enough to resign. Wishful thinking I know.......
But in his mind, he didn't cost us that game. Bad luck and shit***

[BulldogBear]

But in his mind, he didn't cost us that game. Bad luck and shit***


#meddler

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Polk just lit a new cigar and said, "told ya so".

[Smitty]

He's not a very good coach.

[RougeDawg]

Polk just lit a new cigar and said, "told ya so".

Along with some of the rest of us.

[BossDawg]

That's baseball.

**bangs head on desk**

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Freeze just tweeted #flagship. I don't blame him. We've settled for this. We deserve everything we're getting.

[fader2103]

Can we call Pat McMahon and get him back atleast as a consultant?

[HSVDawg]

Freeze just tweeted #flagship. I don't blame him. We've settled for this. We deserve everything we're getting.

Settled for what? We were in the NC series 2 years ago and a regional last year. Its a shitty year that nobody has "settled" for, but Cohen isn't getting fired for one bad year. Jesus.

[Smitty]

I think Cohen doesn't really have the desire anymore.

[Saltydog]

changing very much next year......

[Smitty]

Go throw money at Tracy Smith and make him say no.

[SDDawg]

Freeze just tweeted #flagship. I don't blame him. We've settled for this. We deserve everything we're getting.

Screw him.

[War Machine Dawg]

Go throw money at Tracy Smith and make him say no.

You are obsessed with a guy who is never leaving Dallas Baptist and probably wouldn't be fit anywhere else by all accounts. I'd much rather throw money at Dan McDonnell if we're going that route.

[War Machine Dawg]

Can we call Pat McMahon and get him back atleast as a consultant?

1) Hell no. IF Cohen goes, we need to sever all ties with our MSU baseball coaching tree. Bring in someone from the outside with no connection to the program, hire non-alumni assistants and totally start over. The culture needs to be nuked and rebuilt to fit modern day baseball. A fresh start and clean slate is required.

2) Considering your post count, I'm guessing.....
http://i.imgur.com/wzx6J8a.gif

[msstate7]

My how a year can change things. Starting the '14-'15 sports year, Mullen was feeling some heat, ray was on fire, and Cohen was the man. Now fast forward and Mullen is once again the man, howland is almost legendary before even coaching a game, and Cohen is stomping thru a field of land mines

[confucius say]

Today was horrible. But y'all need to get a grip on reality. Somebody bookmark this thread and bump it two years from now when we are in a super.

[I seen it dawg]

1) Hell no. IF Cohen goes, we need to sever all ties with our MSU baseball coaching tree. Bring in someone from the outside with no connection to the program, hire non-alumni assistants and totally start over. The culture needs to be nuked and rebuilt to fit modern day baseball. A fresh start and clean slate is required.

2) Considering your post count, I'm guessing.....
http://i.imgur.com/wzx6J8a.gif

1. Equals spot,****ing on.

[I seen it dawg]

Today was horrible. But y'all need to get a grip on reality. Somebody bookmark this thread and bump it two years from now when we are in a super.

The staff is average at coaching baseball. The players we need aren't coming to play for that anymore just because of the dude and the atmosphere. Reality is this train is off the tracks. If you don't know make sure and turn up your hearing aid so you can hear the whistle before it blows your ass up.

[State82]

You are obsessed with a guy who is never leaving Dallas Baptist and probably wouldn't be fit anywhere else by all accounts. I'd much rather throw money at Dan McDonnell if we're going that route.

Tracy Smith is at Arizona St.

[Smitty]

You are obsessed with a guy who is never leaving Dallas Baptist and probably wouldn't be fit anywhere else by all accounts. I'd much rather throw money at Dan McDonnell if we're going that route.

Tracy Smith - Arizona State formerly of Indiana

[msstate7]

Tracy Smith is at Arizona St.

He probably responded to the wrong post. I'm the one that covets dbu's coach (heefner)

[Quaoarsking]

Tracy Smith made a Regional 3 times in 9 years at Indiana. Won a Regional once, and advanced to the CWS that year (2013). Winning Big 10 record just 4 times in those 9 years.

[sandjunky]

1) Hell no. IF Cohen goes, we need to sever all ties with our MSU baseball coaching tree. Bring in someone from the outside with no connection to the program, hire non-alumni assistants and totally start over. The culture needs to be nuked and rebuilt to fit modern day baseball. A fresh start and clean slate is required.

2) Considering your post count, I'm guessing.....
http://i.imgur.com/wzx6J8a.gif

Nice....post count smack

[State82]

He probably responded to the wrong post. I'm the one that covets dbu's coach (heefner)

At this moment I'm coveting Desoto Central's coach, Hinds Community College's coach, South Delta Middle School's coach, and any number of others. Much less ASU's or Dallas Baptist's.


Just kidding. Just kidding.


Kind of.

[BossDawg]

Today was horrible. But y'all need to get a grip on reality. Somebody bookmark this thread and bump it two years from now when we are in a super.

2 years? We should be in a super RIGHT NOW! Teams that are 2 years separated from a deep CWS run should not be THIS bad.

[War Machine Dawg]

Tracy Smith - Arizona State formerly of Indiana


He probably responded to the wrong post. I'm the one that covets dbu's coach (heefner)


Tracy Smith made a Regional 3 times in 9 years at Indiana. Won a Regional once, and advanced to the CWS that year (2013). Winning Big 10 record just 4 times in those 9 years.

Yeah, my bad. I just remembered DBU's coach being mentioned previously and assumed it was Smith. Sounds like Smith would actually be a hell of a candidate. I still think McDonnell should be top choice, though.

[War Machine Dawg]

Nice....post count smack

We've had an influx of new posters lately, including one who was caught using an IP on campus in Oxford. You can understand why I'd be skeptical of a poster with fewer than 10 posts mentioning bringing back ANOTHER Polk disciple.

[Smitty]

Tracy Smith made a Regional 3 times in 9 years at Indiana. Won a Regional once, and advanced to the CWS that year (2013). Winning Big 10 record just 4 times in those 9 years.

So Indiana is the equivalent of Mississippi State in college baseball??

Before he got there in 2006 Indiana had 2 winning Big Ten records in 9 seasons and hadn't made a Regional since 1996.

[Quaoarsking]

2 years? We should be in a super RIGHT NOW! Teams that are 2 years separated from a deep CWS run should not be THIS bad.

2013 Champion UCLA missed the Tournament in 2014
2012 Champion Arizona missed the Tournament in 2013 and 2014, and probably 2015 as well.
2010/2011 Champion and 2012 runner up South Carolina probably isn't making it this year.
2009 Champion LSU missed the Tournament in 2011.
2009 runner up Texas missed the Tournament in 2012 and 2013, and presumably will this year too.
2008 Champion Fresno State missed the Tournament in 2010, 2013, and 2014, and only made it in 2009 and 2012 with surprising conference tournament runs. They probably aren't getting in this year.
2008 runner up Georgia has missed the Tournament multiple times since then.
2006/2007 Champion Oregon State missed the Tournament in 2008.

None of these facts make it "OK" that we suck this year. I hate it as much as anyone else. But your attitude of "we were great 2 years ago we still should be!!!" is just not based in the reality of college baseball. Teams have bad years. Cohen just better not make it a habit.

ETA: None of the above elite programs fired their coaches after missing the Tournament, except Georgia, who still let Perno miss a Regional 3 times after 2008 and six times overall before pulling the trigger.

[Smitty]

Slugging pct - 2013
------------
1. Indiana............. .443
2. Illinois............ .406
3. Michigan State...... .377
4. Nebraska............ .368
5. Michigan............ .364
6. Northwestern........ .357
7. Purdue.............. .346
8. Ohio State.......... .341
9. Minnesota........... .340
10.Penn State.......... .311
11.Iowa................ .308



Slugging pct- 2014
------------
1. Indiana............. .434
2. Iowa................ .390
3. Nebraska............ .384
4. Illinois............ .365
5. Ohio State.......... .363
6. Michigan State...... .359
7. Northwestern........ .350
8. Michigan............ .345
9. Minnesota........... .335
10.Penn State.......... .306
11.Purdue.............. .305

[Quaoarsking]

If you were an Indiana fan, you would have been calling for Smith's head long before he made it to 2013. After the 2012 season, Smith had been at Indiana 7 years with a single appearance in a Regional (in which they were a 4 seed and went 0-2).

[confucius say]

2 years? We should be in a super RIGHT NOW! Teams that are 2 years separated from a deep CWS run should not be THIS bad.

Yea that makes sense*****
I mean teams never have a down year after a great run. Wait, you mean ucla had a losing record last year? And Florida after their cws run had a down year? And ar st? And Clemson? And Lsu missed a regional 2 years after a natty? It happens. It's one season.

[yjnkdawg]

Today was horrible. But y'all need to get a grip on reality. Somebody bookmark this thread and bump it two years from now when we are in a super.


I think the problem today was that our players and coaches had the same mindset as the OM people, who left early, thinking the game was over after the 8th inning.

[confucius say]

So Indiana is the equivalent of Mississippi State in college baseball??

Before he got there in 2006 Indiana had 2 winning Big Ten records in 9 seasons and hadn't made a Regional since 1996.

Sounds a lot like Cohen and ky doesn't it. Except ky was even worse than Indiana when both coaches took over.

[Quaoarsking]

Slugging pct - 2013
------------
1. Indiana............. .443
2. Illinois............ .406
3. Michigan State...... .377
4. Nebraska............ .368
5. Michigan............ .364
6. Northwestern........ .357
7. Purdue.............. .346
8. Ohio State.......... .341
9. Minnesota........... .340
10.Penn State.......... .311
11.Iowa................ .308



Slugging pct- 2014
------------
1. Indiana............. .434
2. Iowa................ .390
3. Nebraska............ .384
4. Illinois............ .365
5. Ohio State.......... .363
6. Michigan State...... .359
7. Northwestern........ .350
8. Michigan............ .345
9. Minnesota........... .335
10.Penn State.......... .306
11.Purdue.............. .305

Cohen's 5 Kentucky teams (the first two of which were awful) had these 5 slugging percentages (according to ukathletics.com/)
.453, .441, .523, .482, .516

So 4 of the 5 years (excepting one of the really bad ones), Cohen's Kentucky teams were even better at slugging than Smith's best 2 Indiana teams (and the only 2 teams Smith had in 9 years that weren't worse than 2015 Mississippi State). Guess these things don't always translate from school to school, even with the same coach.

[Bully13]

I got a 2 week band for this shit a month ago... suck it pussies..

[Smitty]

Cohen's 5 Kentucky teams (the first two of which were awful) had these 5 slugging percentages (according to ukathletics.com/)
.453, .441, .523, .482, .516

So 4 of the 5 years (excepting one of the really bad ones), Cohen's Kentucky teams were even better at slugging than Smith's best 2 Indiana teams (and the only 2 teams Smith had in 9 years that weren't worse than 2015 Mississippi State). Guess these things don't always translate from school to school, even with the same coach.

1. Different bats different era
2. Indiana's field is bigger than DNF

Thanks for playing.

[confucius say]

Slugging pct - 2013
------------
1. Indiana............. .443
2. Illinois............ .406
3. Michigan State...... .377
4. Nebraska............ .368
5. Michigan............ .364
6. Northwestern........ .357
7. Purdue.............. .346
8. Ohio State.......... .341
9. Minnesota........... .340
10.Penn State.......... .311
11.Iowa................ .308



Slugging pct- 2014
------------
1. Indiana............. .434
2. Iowa................ .390
3. Nebraska............ .384
4. Illinois............ .365
5. Ohio State.......... .363
6. Michigan State...... .359
7. Northwestern........ .350
8. Michigan............ .345
9. Minnesota........... .335
10.Penn State.......... .306
11.Purdue.............. .305

So he had the best hitting team in the tenth best conference in baseball. Ok. Cohen did that at ky in the best conference in college baseball.

[Smitty]

So he had the best hitting team in the tenth best conference in baseball. Ok. Cohen did that at ky in the best conference in college baseball.

Earned run avg - 2013
--------------
1. Indiana............. 2.64
2. Minnesota........... 2.89
3. Michigan State...... 3.22
4. Ohio State.......... 3.24
5. Northwestern........ 3.41
6. Illinois............ 3.76
7. Iowa................ 4.07
8. Michigan............ 4.10
9. Nebraska............ 4.68
10.Penn State.......... 4.84
11.Purdue.............. 6.46


Earned run avg-2014
--------------
1. Indiana............. 2.33
2. Michigan State...... 3.09
3. Michigan............ 3.21
4. Illinois............ 3.25
5. Nebraska............ 3.50
6. Ohio State.......... 3.61
7. Minnesota........... 3.76
8. Iowa................ 4.34
9. Northwestern........ 4.73
10.Penn State.......... 4.77
11.Purdue.............. 6.00

[Quaoarsking]

Again,

If you were an Indiana fan, you would have been calling for Smith's head long before he made it to 2013. After the 2012 season, Smith had been at Indiana 7 years with a single appearance in a Regional (in which they were a 4 seed and went 0-2).

Posting some cherry-picked stats from his two best seasons (the other 7 were worse than our current team) is being intentionally misleading.

[Smitty]

QK you are ignoring the GLARING issues that Cohen has that CANNOT lead to success… Other teams' have down years? Great. Do their coaches play an ACTIVE role in that? Our coach CANNOT maximize what he has.

[confucius say]

Earned run avg - 2013
--------------
1. Indiana............. 2.64
2. Minnesota........... 2.89
3. Michigan State...... 3.22
4. Ohio State.......... 3.24
5. Northwestern........ 3.41
6. Illinois............ 3.76
7. Iowa................ 4.07
8. Michigan............ 4.10
9. Nebraska............ 4.68
10.Penn State.......... 4.84
11.Purdue.............. 6.46


Earned run avg-2014
--------------
1. Indiana............. 2.33
2. Michigan State...... 3.09
3. Michigan............ 3.21
4. Illinois............ 3.25
5. Nebraska............ 3.50
6. Ohio State.......... 3.61
7. Minnesota........... 3.76
8. Iowa................ 4.34
9. Northwestern........ 4.73
10.Penn State.......... 4.77
11.Purdue.............. 6.00

And?? Same principle applies. What Cohen did in five years at ky is easily more impressive than what smith did in his first five years at Indiana (and I'll even grant you all of smiths years at Indiana).

[Smitty]

Again,


Posting some cherry-picked stats from his two best seasons (the other 7 were worse than our current team) is being intentionally misleading.

What he did was take Vandy to the football SEC Championship game…twice. The program he took over and what Cohen took over at MSU cannot be compared as apples-apples.

You would have a new coach at Vandy and a new coach at Auburn be judged equally

[msstate7]

Sounds a lot like Cohen and ky doesn't it. Except ky was even worse than Indiana when both coaches took over.

Kentucky was 9-20 in sec play the year before Cohen took over. We have to win one more game to match that total

[confucius say]

QK you are ignoring the GLARING issues that Cohen has that CANNOT lead to success… Other teams' have down years? Great. Do their coaches play an ACTIVE role in that? Our coach CANNOT maximize what he has.
So Other coaches don't play an active role in their teams down years? Are you effing high?? That is a horrible
Argument. Find me one fan base that went through a down year and said, nope, coach didn't actively contribute to that at all.

[confucius say]

Kentucky was 9-20 in sec play the year before Cohen took over. We have to win one more game to match that total

And we have been to 4 regionals, 2 supers, and a natty appearance in last 4 years! You think our program is in as bad of shape as ky program in 2004?

Eta: yes, this year is as bad as ky 2003. Everybody agrees. But this is representative of this whole debate. Our program is fine despite one bad year. Ky program was crap every year.

[Bully13]

The staff is average at coaching baseball. The players we need aren't coming to play for that anymore just because of the dude and the atmosphere. Reality is this train is off the tracks. If you don't know make sure and turn up your hearing aid so you can hear the whistle before it blows your ass up.

I'm sick of confucious... you are beginning to to suck... and suck hard

[Smitty]

And we have been to 4 regionals, 2 supers, and a natty appearance in last 4 years! You think our program is in as bad of shape as ky program in 2004?

Eta: yes, this year is as bad as ky 2003. Everybody agrees. But this is representative of this whole debate. Our program is fine despite one bad year. Ky program was crap every year.

1. Our program is in terrible shape
2. We have great players coming in.
3. We have a coach that meddles, wastes, takes years to get anything out of talent.
4. We need to get someone who won't **** up a great opportunity.

[msstate7]

And we have been to 4 regionals, 2 supers, and a natty appearance in last 4 years! You think our program is in as bad of shape as ky program in 2004?

Eta: yes, this year is as bad as ky 2003. Everybody agrees. But this is representative of this whole debate. Our program is fine despite one bad year. Ky program was crap every year.

Seems to me the records are pretty much the same. What we did the last 4 years doesn't seem to have helped us one bit this year.

[confucius say]

I'm sick of confucious... you are beginning to to suck... and suck hard

I didn't post that. But sorry you are sick of me. Is it bc of the facts I've posted, or just that you think I take up for Cohen too much? He deserves criticism. But our fans wanting to run him off and demanding changes are delusional.

[confucius say]

Seems to me the records are pretty much the same. What we did the last 4 years doesn't seem to have helped us one bit this year.
It's not about this year people! Everybody agrees this year is horrible. I'm asking you if you think our program is on par with ky program circa 2003? Bc if the answer is yes, I cannot help you. The status of a program is made up of more than one year, no?

[confucius say]

1. Our program is in terrible shape
2. We have great players coming in.
3. We have a coach that meddles, wastes, takes years to get anything out of talent.
4. We need to get someone who won't **** up a great opportunity.

Ok. Have a great day tomorrow.

[Smitty]

The mask has finally come off when John can't rely on a MLB bullpen to cover for him.

[Todd4State]

Ok. Have a great day tomorrow.

I think it's pretty funny that the guy Smitty is promoting was the one coach at the CWS in 2013 that said he didn't believe in using sabermetrics.

I'll be honest- I'd be kind of scared to hire a coach that said something like that.

[TUSK]

we need to sever all ties with our... coaching tree. Bring in someone from the outside with no connection to the program, hire non-alumni assistants and totally start over. The culture needs to be nuked and rebuilt to fit modern day ball. A fresh start and clean slate is required.




https://ct.yimg.com/mr/uploads/885/1343369.jpg

[blacklistedbully]

He's not a very good coach.

..and over and over and over and over and over and over..........................."

[blacklistedbully]

The mask has finally come off when John can't rely on a MLB bullpen to cover for him.

...and over and over and over and over and over and over...............

[I seen it dawg]

I got a 2 week band for this shit a month ago... suck it pussies..

You get banned for being a total ****ing jackass idiot sometimes. Not for railing on Cohen.

[Political Hack]

the guy who brought us to the national championship series without a very talented team is not a good coach? That season and this season basically cancel each other out to me. The rest of the body of work, including where the program is headed with recruiting, the new stadium, attendance, etc... has to be factored in.

You can't judge a coach by anomalies and you don't fire a coach for one bad season, especially in baseball.

[msstate7]

You can't judge a coach by anomalies and you don't fire a coach for one bad season, especially in baseball.

Wouldn't the cws run be the anomaly

[Sox6201]

Firing Cohen isn't the answer. Have you forgotten he got us to the championship game a few years ago?

[confucius say]

the guy who brought us to the national championship series without a very talented team is not a good coach? That season and this season basically cancel each other out to me. The rest of the body of work, including where the program is headed with recruiting, the new stadium, attendance, etc... has to be factored in.

You can't judge a coach by anomalies and you don't fire a coach for one bad season, especially in baseball.

He doesn't understand logic

[confucius say]

Wouldn't the cws run be the anomaly

A sec title, a super, a natty appearance, regional championship game, losing record. Which one of these five is not like the other??? Can you really not see it's the latter???

[msstate7]

Firing Cohen isn't the answer. Have you forgotten he got us to the championship game a few years ago?

So within a 3 year period, Cohen has taken us to our highest point in history all the way down to our lowest in history. Personally I don't think either year is indicative of what we are under Cohen. I think last year is gonna be a typical Cohen year. We'll be a regional, but not cws team.

[Political Hack]

Wouldn't the cws run be the anomaly

yes. and that's why I said this season and that season basically cancel each other out.

[Todd4State]

the guy who brought us to the national championship series without a very talented team is not a good coach? That season and this season basically cancel each other out to me. The rest of the body of work, including where the program is headed with recruiting, the new stadium, attendance, etc... has to be factored in.

You can't judge a coach by anomalies and you don't fire a coach for one bad season, especially in baseball.

I agree. And that's why he should get another year. And probably will.

[msstate7]

A sec title, a super, a natty appearance, regional championship game, losing record. Which one of these five is not like the other??? Can you really not see it's the latter???

12 seasons in the sec...

7 losing seasons (take away the 2 first years from both schools and Cohen is only 5-3 in regards to finishing .500 or better). This will most likely be the 5th time Cohen has finished with 9 or fewer sec wins.

He's been to a regional 6 times, advanced to super twice, and cws once.

Throw out the first 2 seasons here and Cohen's record is 72-73 in sec play

[shannondawg]

I read all the reasons why our team is in such a state of array, but no one has really the answers that I have seen. This theory makes more sense than anything I have read so far.

Seismic waves have slowly but surely moved the old Indian burial ground from under Scott field, thru the Hump and is now resting squarely under the Dude.

The bright side to this with the recent earth tremors close by, a shift could be coming that will continue this movement in a more north westerly direction at a much faster pace and will soon be resting under the grounds of the plantation.

Case in point, the recent sink hole in Oxford could be a omen.

[Smitty]

yes. and that's why I said this season and that season basically cancel each other out.

That's such a wrong way of looking at things.

Would you say Crooms 2007 and 2008 cancel each other out so he should be given more time? Stands 2004 and 2012? He had his chance and had royally blown it.

Cohen does not get us in sustainable spots for success. We have one host spot under him. We don't sniff hosting most years. Our offensive approach is abysmal. Our recruiting misses so much. Our development takes YEARS if it happens at all. Big-time regression from good hitters. Lost the team. Lost the staff. Why I wouldn't be surprised if he walks after this year.

[Todd4State]

I do agree that Cohen should be back, but I want to see some things addressed at the end of the year press conference. The problem is the media sucks and they don't ask tough questions.

First of all, I want the players skipping work outs issue addressed publically and if it is an issue I want to know how they are going to fix it.

I want to know if he is going to adjust how they recruit players in terms of identifying character and toughness and if they are going to stop relying on JUCO players so much.

I want to know if he is willing to get a hitting coach.

After that, he'll probably be too pissed to talk about anything else.

[Todd4State]

That's such a wrong way of looking at things.

Would you say Crooms 2007 and 2008 cancel each other out so he should be given more time? Stands 2004 and 2012? He had his chance and had royally blown it.

Cohen does not get us in sustainable spots for success. We have one host spot under him. We don't sniff hosting most years. Our offensive approach is abysmal. Our recruiting misses so much. Our development takes YEARS if it happens at all. Big-time regression from good hitters. Lost the team. Lost the staff. Why I wouldn't be surprised if he walks after this year.

The Liberty Bowl and the round of 32 is not the same as playing in the National Championship of a sport. Not even remotely close. Especially when you have gone to the NC finals in a sport where fans have some of the highest expectations.

And you don't judge a coach on a lesser goal when he has gone beyond that point twice already. That would be like judging a basketball coach on the seed that he is given in the tournament- and not the actual results of the team in the tournament.

Croom also had losing seasons every single year except one year. Cohen has had four winning seasons the last five years- and this year will be the first time we have had a losing record in SEC play in a few years.

And you're the guy that just the other day attempted and failed to argue that Adam Frazier, Wes Rea, and CT Bradford all regressed as hitters which was completely laughable. As is your personal hitting approach.

[Political Hack]

agree Todd. he has to adjust his approach. If he doesn't, and we lose again, he'll be in hot water.

[msstate7]

Bianco vs Cohen ...

Bianco has coached at OM 14 years and made regionals 12 times, supers 5 times, and cws 1 time. He has a 229-191 record in sec play at OM without throwing out any years. He's won the sec.

Cohen has coached at state 7 years. Cohen has made regionals 4 times, 2 supers, and 1 cws. Cohen has an 87-118 record here in sec play and 72-73 record if you throw out first 2 years.

Anyone have head-to-head record?

I didn't discuss hosting, but Bianco obviously leads.

My point is that Cohen is doing nothing special outside of '13. Same state, same scholarship issues, and Bianco is doing it bigger than Cohen at the school that isn't supposed to be the baseball school in this state.

Not advocating firing this year. I think he should get another, but I have no patience next season

[Bully13]

Bianco vs Cohen ...

Bianco has coached at OM 14 years and made regionals 12 times, supers 5 times, and cws 1 time. He has a 229-191 record in sec play at OM without throwing out any years. He's won the sec.

Cohen has coached at state 7 years. Cohen has made regionals 4 times, 2 supers, and 1 cws. Cohen has an 87-118 record here in sec play and 72-73 record if you throw out first 2 years.

Anyone have head-to-head record?

I didn't discuss hosting, but Bianco obviously leads.

My point is that Cohen is doing nothing special outside of '13. Same state, same scholarship issues, and Bianco is doing it bigger than Cohen at the school that isn't supposed to be the baseball school in this state.

Not advocating firing this year. I think he should get another, but I have no patience next season

best analogy yet.

[Quaoarsking]

Going 18-12 in the SEC last year was special, at least by our standards (not Vanderbilt's or Florida's or South Carolina's standards, but just judging by our recent history, it was a special conference season for us). Barely missing out on hosting in 2012 and 2014 (I don't understand why everyone has retconned those years into somehow we weren't even close to hosting) is pretty special now that the NCAA lets hosting ride on how good a team's season is, not much much $ and fans it will generate back when Polk I was hosting a lot.

Also, I don't know how to say this, but the idea of us having the divine right to be a better baseball program than Ole Miss is over. They've been a better program than us for nearly 15 years -- not every specific year, but overall. They also outdraw us attendance wise (not in maximum of course, but in average). Sucks, but we can no longer just assume that we're supposed to be better than them. :( I hope we restore that divine right one day, but we don't have it now.

[Todd4State]

Bianco vs Cohen ...

Bianco has coached at OM 14 years and made regionals 12 times, supers 5 times, and cws 1 time. He has a 229-191 record in sec play at OM without throwing out any years. He's won the sec.

Cohen has coached at state 7 years. Cohen has made regionals 4 times, 2 supers, and 1 cws. Cohen has an 87-118 record here in sec play and 72-73 record if you throw out first 2 years.

Anyone have head-to-head record?

I didn't discuss hosting, but Bianco obviously leads.

My point is that Cohen is doing nothing special outside of '13. Same state, same scholarship issues, and Bianco is doing it bigger than Cohen at the school that isn't supposed to be the baseball school in this state.

Not advocating firing this year. I think he should get another, but I have no patience next season

Bianco took over a much, much better situation than what Cohen did. We literally allowed them to overtake us during the Polk II years not to mention Bianco took over a team that had just barely missed a regional.

Bianco also never had to deal with Polk or fans worried about cussing in the dugout and a split fanbase when he first arrived.

If you throw out Cohen's first two years, we have been better than Ole Miss has been over the past five years. Ole Miss has been better than us this year- but I highly doubt they go any further than a regional with their pitching.

[Todd4State]

Going 18-12 in the SEC last year was special, at least by our standards (not Vanderbilt's or Florida's or South Carolina's standards, but just judging by our recent history, it was a special conference season for us). Barely missing out on hosting in 2012 and 2014 (I don't understand why everyone has retconned those years into somehow we weren't even close to hosting) is pretty special now that the NCAA lets hosting ride on how good a team's season is, not much much $ and fans it will generate back when Polk I was hosting a lot.

Also, I don't know how to say this, but the idea of us having the divine right to be a better baseball program than Ole Miss is over. They've been a better program than us for nearly 15 years -- not every specific year, but overall. They also outdraw us attendance wise (not in maximum of course, but in average). Sucks, but we can no longer just assume that we're supposed to be better than them. :(

Because certain people on this board have an agenda and they know that they look stupid because of that whole CWS/SR elephant that is in the room so they have to try to focus on something that hasn't actually been done- even though that is a lower standard than what has actually been accomplished and in the grand scheme means very little.

[Smitty]

You want to know why he's lost the team? You really want to know. Is it because the players are "pussies"? No. I really doubt that. It's because they know, they KNOW that his methods do not lead to success.

You think they get sick and tired of his meddling with their shit leading to less success? You bet. You think Vickerson might be a little irked after being forced to sac bunt 3 times in a row? You don't think the players know his whole approach is making it LESS LIKELY for them to enjoy success.

That's really the only reason why you would "lose a team"... When the team doesn't believe you are giving them the best chance of winning, THAT will lose a team. Like we have seen this year.

[Todd4State]

You want to know why he's lost the team? You really want to know. Is it because the players are "pussies"? No. I really doubt that. It's because they know, they KNOW that his methods do not lead to success.

You think they get sick and tired of his meddling with their shit leading to less success? You bet. You think Vickerson might be a little irked after being forced to sac bunt 3 times in a row? You don't think the players know his whole approach is making it LESS LIKELY for them to enjoy success.

That's really the only reason why you would "lose a team"... When the team doesn't believe you are giving them the best chance of winning, THAT will lose a team. Like we have seen this year.

I'd like to see the link to the box score where anyone has SAC bunted three times in a row.

But yeah- you're right. The bullpen has been blowing games because they don't like all of the bunting.

And a couple of other things:

1. A lot of these guys were bunting a lot in JUCO or HS. And then they get to MSU and NOW they're going to decide "gee this doesn't work and coach in an idiot? I'm going to tank it." If you for even a second think that the players listen to you and take even remotely seriously- they don't.

2. I don't care if our coach tells Bryce Harper to SAC bunt with the bases loaded down four with two outs. If that's what the coach tells you to do, you do it. If you don't, you need to leave.

Not to mention the fact that if any of that really was an issue, it would have come to light by now. I guess all of the multiple posters on here all got together and just made up the skipping workouts issue and the leadership issues with the seniors.

[Smitty]

I'd like to see the link to the box score where anyone has SAC bunted three times in a row.


Cody Brown gets on base 3 straight times- followed by 3 straight Vickerson bunt attempts. Thats not baseball- thats bullshit.


LET THEM SWING THE ****ING BAT

We lost that game by the way

[Jacksondevildog]

Nope. When you have a family member that goes to class with the players and they say that so and so is missing workouts and are lazy, that's where it's coming from. People talk.


I'd like to see the link to the box score where anyone has SAC bunted three times in a row.

But yeah- you're right. The bullpen has been blowing games because they don't like all of the bunting.

And a couple of other things:

1. A lot of these guys were bunting a lot in JUCO or HS. And then they get to MSU and NOW they're going to decide "gee this doesn't work and coach in an idiot? I'm going to tank it." If you for even a second think that the players listen to you and take even remotely seriously- they don't.

2. I don't care if our coach tells Bryce Harper to SAC bunt with the bases loaded down four with two outs. If that's what the coach tells you to do, you do it. If you don't, you need to leave.

Not to mention the fact that if any of that really was an issue, it would have come to light by now. I guess all of the multiple posters on here all got together and just made up the skipping workouts issue and the leadership issues with the seniors.

[Todd4State]

We lost that game by the way

A bunt attempt is not the same as three straight sacrifices. STILL waiting.

Edit to say that I looked up that game that you are referencing. Interesting that you failed to mention that we blew a FIVE run lead and scored seven runs total and ended up losing in extra innings.

[confucius say]

best analogy yet.

And Bianco would no longer be the coach there post 2011, 2012, and 2012 if their idiot fans had their way.

[engie]

Anyone have head-to-head record?

30-27 Cohen after this shitshow of a season.

[msstate7]

30-27 Cohen after this shitshow of a season.

That seems a lot of games. All my comparisons were tied directly to their tenure at OM and state

[CadaverDawg]

30-27 Cohen after this shitshow of a season.

You counting stents at other schools? What's their head to head records at State and Ole Miss? It doesn't matter if one beat the other more while at Northeast Louisiana Technical Institute

[Tbonewannabe]

Bianco took over a much, much better situation than what Cohen did. We literally allowed them to overtake us during the Polk II years not to mention Bianco took over a team that had just barely missed a regional.

Bianco also never had to deal with Polk or fans worried about cussing in the dugout and a split fanbase when he first arrived.

If you throw out Cohen's first two years, we have been better than Ole Miss has been over the past five years. Ole Miss has been better than us this year- but I highly doubt they go any further than a regional with their pitching.

This isn't correct. Last year and this year Ole Miss has had the better team.

[engie]

That seems a lot of games. All my comparisons were tied directly to their tenure at OM and state

So overall resume only matters when it can make a negative point against Cohen? And you think this is fair? You shouldn't have asked a question you weren't going to like the answer to.

[engie]

This isn't correct. Last year and this year Ole Miss has had the better team.

2 of 5 is a majority now?

[msstate7]

And Bianco would no longer be the coach there post 2011, 2012, and 2012 if their idiot fans had their way.

2011 -- OM was 30-25 (13-17)
2012 -- OM was 37-26 (14-16)... regional finish

Those are crazy fans for talking about firing Bianco.

This year Cohen is 24-27 (8-19). This will most likely be the 3rd time in 7 years that Cohen finishes with 10 sec wins or fewer. Bianco has never won less than 13 in sec play. Bianco has never had a losing overall record. This will most likely be Cohen's 3rd in 7 years. Do you see a difference?

[msstate7]

So overall resume only matters when it can make a negative point against Cohen? And you think this is fair? You shouldn't have asked a question you weren't going to like the answer to.

Sorry but what Cohen did at Kentucky or LA directional doesn't mean a dang thing here

[Tbonewannabe]

2 of 5 is a majority now?

No, the statement was the last five years we had the better team.

[engie]

Sorry but what Cohen did at Kentucky or LA directional doesn't mean a dang thing here

But what he did at Kentucky is "why people knew he was going to get it done here". But now that everyone is jumping off a cliff -- what he has done and his career trajectory doesn't matter? Lol at the movement of the goalposts.

[Smitty]

A bunt attempt is not the same as three straight sacrifices. STILL waiting.

Edit to say that I looked up that game that you are referencing. Interesting that you failed to mention that we blew a FIVE run lead and scored seven runs total and ended up losing in extra innings.

That's the same game that your love, the sac bunt, was tried in the 1st inning. We screw it up, swing with 2 strikes, get a hit, and put up 5. If the meddling blockhead gets his way we lose going away.

[engie]

No, the statement was the last five years we had the better team.

3 of 5 = better team over the last 5 years
2 Supers vs 1 super = better team over last 5 years.
A deeper run in Omaha = better team over last 5 years.
A conference tourney title = better than no conference tourney titles.

It was not at all difficult to understand what Todd was saying. You had to try extremely hard not to.

[Tbonewannabe]

But what he did at Kentucky is "why people knew he was going to get it done here". But now that everyone is jumping off a cliff -- what he has done and his career trajectory doesn't matter? Lol at the movement of the goalposts.

What he did at UK helps give him next year to fix it along with 2013 season. I think he has earned another year but there definitely needs to be a Regional at the minimum. This season also had us losing to horrible teams and would probably be even worse had we went to Houston like we had planned originally.

[Tbonewannabe]

3 of 5 = better team over the last 5 years
2 Supers vs 1 super = better team over last 5 years.
A deeper run in Omaha = better team over last 5 years.
A conference tourney title = better than no conference tourney titles.

It was not at all difficult to understand what Todd was saying. You had to try extremely hard not to.

Sorry, I just took what he wrote for what the sentence literally said. That would be just like if I said Bama has been better in football the last five years over Auburn. I didn't say over the last five years Bama is averaging better teams.

[Todd4State]

That's the same game that your love, the sac bunt, was tried in the 1st inning. We screw it up, swing with 2 strikes, get a hit, and put up 5. If the meddling blockhead gets his way we lose going away.

That would mean something if you actually knew the difference. We all know that you don't. Just like the fact that you don't understand that by "screwing up the bunt" It forced the pitcher to throw a fastball that got hit and helped lead to the big inning. But that's way over your head.

[Todd4State]

Sorry, I just took what he wrote for what the sentence literally said. That would be just like if I said Bama has been better in football the last five years over Auburn. I didn't say over the last five years Bama is averaging better teams.

I should have probably worded it better.

[CadaverDawg]

That seems a lot of games. All my comparisons were tied directly to their tenure at OM and state

Engie makes some good points, but using career records vs each other to answer that question was nothing more than putting lipstick on a turd. Very misleading, and he's better than that.

[Tbonewannabe]

I should have probably worded it better.

No big deal. I seem to land in the middle of the opinions. I think Cohen's track record gives us hope that he can right the ship but I will definitely be disappointed if there isn't some kind of changes. If we don't make a Regional, we better at least start a ton of freshmen.

[BankerDog]

As I sat and talked to several member of the family today about this situation my stance has changed. Cohen needs to figure this stuff out and he needs to figure it out quick. Look if the guy wants to change swings in guys, do it in the off season not mid season. It hurts the team and player.

Now for my rant on Butch. For the all these years we have heard how elite he has been. When is the last time we have had a pitcher contribute for three years? Holder? I'm sitting here during this discussion today and I'm thinking of only one, and it's Holder. You had Stratton his sophmore year on the bench as we are playing Florida State in that regional and we're afraid to pitch him. Lingo's freshman year he is tearing it up and gets hurt. He comes back and his confidence is messed up. We go to the CWS and Lingo doesn't pitch one time.

This brings me to the point of Pollerena and Laster. Every year they would start Pollerena out of the bullpen and then they realize hey we need this guy in the starting rotation. Same thing happened to Laster this year. How does that even happen? Two guys who have proven they are starters always starting in the bullpen each year after they proven. Ridiculous.

Now let me talk about the personnel. I'm sitting here looking at Trent Waddell wondering how in the hell did this guy get on a SEC team. You know why? He's a dual threat guy that Thompson begged to keep and to be honest he just isn't that good. And now he's trying to do that exact thing with Cole Gordon who should have been playing this year because the kid can flat out rope it, and I have seen that personally. Jesse McCord? Hit .488 with 18 HRs. That type of production should be tried in the field. But no, we're trying to make him a pitcher and he looks lost out there. Give the guys a chance to be productive here. We are missing on evaluations and that will not cut it missing on a lot of evaluations.

Back to Cohen. Cohen needs to learn to just let the players hit. Ball players HIT. When you mess with their swings they think instead of hitting. I could tell the next year after we went to the CWS these guys thought they were entitled to things and let me tell you something, not ONE SEC team fears these guys. They are a bunch of self entitled PG All-Stars.

Next year should be interesting.

C: Marrero/Collins/Lovelady. I wouldn't mind seeing Lovelady start behind the dish. I think Collins future is in the outfield. Marrero if he can handle the staff and hit could provide some competition

1B: Gordon/Lowe/Rooker/Hump. I think we have some guys here who can rope. We need to find away to get some quality ABs and production from these 4.

2B/SS: Gridley, Alexander, Stovall, Holland, and Delvin Zinn. From what I can tell Stovall can hit and be clutch for his team. Gridley needs to execute better and be more consistent. Holland is pretty good defensively, we need more production out of him at the plate. Alexander has been hyped a lot and I hope we haven't overhyped him like we did Holland and several others. I don't know much about Zinn.

3B: Reynolds/Riley/McCord I didn't include Spurill because I hope he isn't back next year. He isn't a SEC player. Reynolds with the way he has hit lately has earned some PT. If we get Riley it could get interesting. If we don't screw with his swing or approach and he can adjust to college ACEs then I would like to see him on the field. If McCord's career doesn't work out as a pitcher I want to see him at 3rd for a little bit. The boy can hit or at least he did in high school.

OF: Robson/Hump/Smith/Brown/Collins/Pickett/Rooker/Blaylock. You know Robson is going to play because Cohen loves his favorites and he is plus in the OF. Hump needs to play but needs to learn the ins and outs of the OF. Smith looked good yesterday. Another instance of a guy getting hurt and not being allowed to come back into the lineup(Lingo his freshman year). Cody Brown has been a dirt bagger his whole career here. I don't know what he did but he has earned his time. Collins has a strong enough arm to play out here but it will depend on his catching situation. I really like Rooker's swing. It'll be his 3rd year here we need production now. We all know about Pickett so I would like to get him to campus. I don't know much about Blaylock.

Ps: P Brown/Sexton/Hudson/Houston/Billingsly/McCord/Mintz/Tatum. I included these guys because they are proven. Preston Brown better be our midweek guy because I just don't think he is a Friday night starter. I like the potential of the other guys, but the light needs to come on and they need to nut up and become aggressive, dominant pitchers. I'm not going to hype up this pitching class until I see them in practice and play a few games. We have a tendency as Mississippi State fans to over hype freshman and players in general that just aren't ready to be hyped up.

Bottom line, Cohen/Thompson need to get their stuff figured out. They need to earn the respect of their players again and get back to the basics. Get rid of the egos, including theirs. This is Mississippi State baseball and I realize it isn't the 1980s again but it's time we are feared again and we also, as fans, can talk about our fan support but guys I go to a lot of games because I am student. And our grandstands don't fill up compared to the LSUs and Ole Miss. I get it our stadium is old, but filling it up only once or twice a year is pitiful. That's gonna look kinda bad in this brand new stadium. We need to be feared as a place to play again and make it intimidating. Our players need to realize how much pride is in Mississippi State. Stop being fancy and worrying about how you look and be a baseball player.

[Smitty]

We will have the pieces to be good next year, we just need the coach that can maximize their potential... and it's not the current guy. Sorry, but we don't need to "clean house" of the talent we have. We need someone who can extract that talent without a ****ing batting practice matrix, and getting "graded on ten swings in practice" where a ball off the L screen is worth more than one off the foul pole.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkgSVuAHUzQ

[msstate7]

As I sat and talked to several member of the family today about this situation my stance has changed. Cohen needs to figure this stuff out and he needs to figure it out quick. Look if the guy wants to change swings in guys, do it in the off season not mid season. It hurts the team and player.

Now for my rant on Butch. For the all these years we have heard how elite he has been. When is the last time we have had a pitcher contribute for three years? Holder? I'm sitting here during this discussion today and I'm thinking of only one, and it's Holder. You had Stratton his sophmore year on the bench as we are playing Florida State in that regional and we're afraid to pitch him. Lingo's freshman year he is tearing it up and gets hurt. He comes back and his confidence is messed up. We go to the CWS and Lingo doesn't pitch one time.

This brings me to the point of Pollerena and Laster. Every year they would start Pollerena out of the bullpen and then they realize hey we need this guy in the starting rotation. Same thing happened to Laster this year. How does that even happen? Two guys who have proven they are starters always starting in the bullpen each year after they proven. Ridiculous.

Now let me talk about the personnel. I'm sitting here looking at Trent Waddell wondering how in the hell did this guy get on a SEC team. You know why? He's a dual threat guy that Thompson begged to keep and to be honest he just isn't that good. And now he's trying to do that exact thing with Cole Gordon who should have been playing this year because the kid can flat out rope it, and I have seen that personally. Jesse McCord? Hit .488 with 18 HRs. That type of production should be tried in the field. But no, we're trying to make him a pitcher and he looks lost out there. Give the guys a chance to be productive here. We are missing on evaluations and that will not cut it missing on a lot of evaluations.

Back to Cohen. Cohen needs to learn to just let the players hit. Ball players HIT. When you mess with their swings they think instead of hitting. I could tell the next year after we went to the CWS these guys thought they were entitled to things and let me tell you something, not ONE SEC team fears these guys. They are a bunch of self entitled PG All-Stars.

Next year should be interesting.

C: Marrero/Collins/Lovelady. I wouldn't mind seeing Lovelady start behind the dish. I think Collins future is in the outfield. Marrero if he can handle the staff and hit could provide some competition

1B: Gordon/Lowe/Rooker/Hump. I think we have some guys here who can rope. We need to find away to get some quality ABs and production from these 4.

2B/SS: Gridley, Alexander, Stovall, Holland, and Delvin Zinn. From what I can tell Stovall can hit and be clutch for his team. Gridley needs to execute better and be more consistent. Holland is pretty good defensively, we need more production out of him at the plate. Alexander has been hyped a lot and I hope we haven't overhyped him like we did Holland and several others. I don't know much about Zinn.

3B: Reynolds/Riley/McCord I didn't include Spurill because I hope he isn't back next year. He isn't a SEC player. Reynolds with the way he has hit lately has earned some PT. If we get Riley it could get interesting. If we don't screw with his swing or approach and he can adjust to college ACEs then I would like to see him on the field. If McCord's career doesn't work out as a pitcher I want to see him at 3rd for a little bit. The boy can hit or at least he did in high school.

OF: Robson/Hump/Smith/Brown/Collins/Pickett/Rooker/Blaylock. You know Robson is going to play because Cohen loves his favorites and he is plus in the OF. Hump needs to play but needs to learn the ins and outs of the OF. Smith looked good yesterday. Another instance of a guy getting hurt and not being allowed to come back into the lineup(Lingo his freshman year). Cody Brown has been a dirt bagger his whole career here. I don't know what he did but he has earned his time. Collins has a strong enough arm to play out here but it will depend on his catching situation. I really like Rooker's swing. It'll be his 3rd year here we need production now. We all know about Pickett so I would like to get him to campus. I don't know much about Blaylock.

Ps: P Brown/Sexton/Hudson/Houston/Billingsly/McCord/Mintz/Tatum. I included these guys because they are proven. Preston Brown better be our midweek guy because I just don't think he is a Friday night starter. I like the potential of the other guys, but the light needs to come on and they need to nut up and become aggressive, dominant pitchers. I'm not going to hype up this pitching class until I see them in practice and play a few games. We have a tendency as Mississippi State fans to over hype freshman and players in general that just aren't ready to be hyped up.

Bottom line, Cohen/Thompson need to get their stuff figured out. They need to earn the respect of their players again and get back to the basics. Get rid of the egos, including theirs. This is Mississippi State baseball and I realize it isn't the 1980s again but it's time we are feared again and we also, as fans, can talk about our fan support but guys I go to a lot of games because I am student. And our grandstands don't fill up compared to the LSUs and Ole Miss. I get it our stadium is old, but filling it up only once or twice a year is pitiful. That's gonna look kinda bad in this brand new stadium. We need to be feared as a place to play again and make it intimidating. Our players need to realize how much pride is in Mississippi State. Stop being fancy and worrying about how you look and be a baseball player.

I do t think I can stand another year of Collins catching. I love Collins' bat when healthy, but his defense is shaky at best

[CadaverDawg]

We will have the pieces to be good next year, we just need the coach that can maximize their potential... and it's not the current guy. Sorry, but we don't need to "clean house" of the talent we have. We need someone who can extract that talent without a ****ing batting practice matrix, and getting "graded on ten swings in practice" where a ball off the L screen is worth more than one off the foul pole.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkgSVuAHUzQ

I think Cohen has the ability to turn it around, and you and I both KNOW he is getting next year to try...so hammering away on the "fire Cohen" drum the next 12 months is pointless. If he turns it around, he stays...if not, he goes. It's likely that simple.

We will have good pieces, and a coach at his dream job coaching with his ass on fire. If we can't win with that, it's time for him to go after 8 years anyway

[Smitty]

If he turns it around

This is more than just "make regional".. If we sneak in the back door next year, experience the same issues we've been experiencing, then he's GOT TO go.

A good coach could host with next year's squad. Cohen won't. That's the problem. We don't have to set our program back a few years, or hit rock bottom to know when it's time. We have the pieces in place to compete NOW.

See: Steve Kerr replacing Mark Jackson.

[CadaverDawg]

This is more than just "make regional".. If we sneak in the back door next year, experience the same issues we've been experiencing, then he's GOT TO go.

A good coach could host with next year's squad. Cohen won't. That's the problem. We don't have to set our program back a few years, or hit rock bottom to know when it's time. We have the pieces in place to compete NOW.

See: Steve Kerr replacing Mark Jackson.

Oh, I agree that a 3 seed and sneaking in is not a turn around...but I doubt Stricklin will agree. I hope it's boom or bust next year so there's no doubt.

[Quaoarsking]

How many people on this thread wanted Mullen fired in November 2013? "Smitty" sure did...

[msstate7]

How many people on this thread wanted Mullen fired in November 2013? "Smitty" sure did...

I never wanted Mullen fired, but Mullen only missed postseason his first year and barely. Cohen is about to miss postseason play for his 3rd time out of 7 in a sport we should have a much easier time in.

[Dawgcentral]

I can see how that hitting drill could be very effective. I'd place more emphasis on who could hit the low liner back to the pitcher rather that how quickly they get down to 1st base.

I'd rather see old school stuff from the mound simply from a aspect of timing. But I like to see repetitive good contact with the baseball more than anything. I'm not liking many of those swings. Lots of emphasis on finishing high, which is a good thing,..everyone should swing through the ball, just like golf. But it seems like perfection over production when carried to the extreme.

[ZedFedder]

One year doesn't make a coach a bad one. They may be awful next year, but they may be top 15. The potential, I believe, is absolutely there.

[Homedawg]

How many people on this thread wanted Mullen fired in November 2013? "Smitty" sure did...

The fact that anyone puts any stock in what "smitty" say about any sport, especially baseball, (and that's his bread and butter???) proves people are sports ignorant.

[GTHOM]

Bianco vs Cohen ...

Bianco has coached at OM 14 years and made regionals 12 times, supers 5 times, and cws 1 time. He has a 229-191 record in sec play at OM without throwing out any years. He's won the sec.

Cohen has coached at state 7 years. Cohen has made regionals 4 times, 2 supers, and 1 cws. Cohen has an 87-118 record here in sec play and 72-73 record if you throw out first 2 years.

Anyone have head-to-head record?

I didn't discuss hosting, but Bianco obviously leads.

My point is that Cohen is doing nothing special outside of '13. Same state, same scholarship issues, and Bianco is doing it bigger than Cohen at the school that isn't supposed to be the baseball school in this state.

Not advocating firing this year. I think he should get another, but I have no patience next season

thanks for this. was on the fence about wanting him back again, this just pushed me to the fire him side

[GTHOM]

3 of 5 = better team over the last 5 years
2 Supers vs 1 super = better team over last 5 years.
A deeper run in Omaha = better team over last 5 years.
A conference tourney title = better than no conference tourney titles.

It was not at all difficult to understand what Todd was saying. You had to try extremely hard not to.

and this brings me back on the fence

[War Machine Dawg]

Bianco vs Cohen ...

Bianco has coached at OM 14 years and made regionals 12 times, supers 5 times, and cws 1 time. He has a 229-191 record in sec play at OM without throwing out any years. He's won the sec.

Cohen has coached at state 7 years. Cohen has made regionals 4 times, 2 supers, and 1 cws. Cohen has an 87-118 record here in sec play and 72-73 record if you throw out first 2 years.

Anyone have head-to-head record?

I didn't discuss hosting, but Bianco obviously leads.

My point is that Cohen is doing nothing special outside of '13. Same state, same scholarship issues, and Bianco is doing it bigger than Cohen at the school that isn't supposed to be the baseball school in this state.

Not advocating firing this year. I think he should get another, but I have no patience next season

Damn, that's a sobering look at it, 7. More fuel for the fire.

[War Machine Dawg]

Oh, I agree that a 3 seed and sneaking in is not a turn around...but I doubt Stricklin will agree. I hope it's boom or bust next year so there's no doubt.

I'm scared to death this is exactly what will happen, too. We'll "get in" but nothing has really changed and we'll continue wallowing in mediocre for a few more years.

[Tbonewannabe]

I'm scared to death this is exactly what will happen, too. We'll "get in" but nothing has really changed and we'll continue wallowing in mediocre for a few more years.

It has more to do with our attitude next year for me. This team looked like the Polk team Cohen inherited. Played like the other team should roll over. They did not have that scrappy do what you have to do to win attitude.

[yjnkdawg]

It has more to do with our attitude next year for me. This team looked like the Polk team Cohen inherited. Played like the other team should roll over. They did not have that scrappy do what you have to do to win attitude.

Seems like our players, and the OM faithful, who left early, thought the game was over after the 8th inning yesterday.

[confucius say]

How many people on this thread wanted Mullen fired in November 2013? "Smitty" sure did...
At least half. Our fans are idiots with no foresight or long term perspective. Mullen not Cohen are perfect, but they are both intelligent, get-it guys who are good coaches.

[msstate7]

If anyone wonders why I'm patient with Mullen, it's bc I remember knee jerks like this. I learned my lesson

[MetEdDawg]

If anyone wonders why I'm patient with Mullen, it's bc I remember knee jerks like this. I learned my lesson

One real big difference. Don't think there was ever a question of Cohen's loyalty to MSU. There's a big question regarding Mullen's commitment to MSU

[msstate7]

One real big difference. Don't think there was ever a question of Cohen's loyalty to MSU. There's a big question regarding Mullen's commitment to MSU

How's our loyalty to Mullen looking these days? I'm much more concerned with our poor performance than Mullen's loyalty

[Taog Redloh]

How's our loyalty to Mullen looking these days? I'm much more concerned with our poor performance than Mullen's loyalty

Awesomeness msstate7. Lot of people looking like idiots.

As for MetEd's question, you look at these things at the end of years, not in the middle of seasons.

[MetEdDawg]

Awesomeness msstate7. Lot of people looking like idiots.

As for MetEd's question, you look at these things at the end of years, not in the middle of seasons.

Well at the end of the season Mullen tried to bolt for Miami. So there's that. Add to the fact that there's a very real possibility this team goes 3-9 or 4-8 and it's pretty odd for us not to evaluate things right dammit now. Not saying fire the man today, but we've got a pretty decent amount of data over the last two years that we can use to show that we have some problems that need to be addressed.

[Taog Redloh]

Well at the end of the season Mullen tried to bolt for Miami. So there's that. Add to the fact that there's a very real possibility this team goes 3-9 or 4-8 and it's pretty odd for us not to evaluate things right dammit now. Not saying fire the man today, but we've got a pretty decent amount of data over the last two years that we can use to show that we have some problems that need to be addressed.
Well he is afforded one more year after this unless we totally tank (have to wait til end of year to gauge that). His lack of loyalty last year was well-noted, I am not denying that. But he ultimately stayed, and this year is looking bad. We're not a powerhouse, bad seasons will happen (fact), so he gets another year to correct. He's no doubt on the hot seat in 2017. Pretty cut and dry to me.

[MetEdDawg]

Well he is afforded one more year after this unless we totally tank (have to wait til end of year to gauge that). His lack of loyalty last year was well-noted, I am not denying that. But he ultimately stayed, and this year is looking bad. We're not a powerhouse, bad seasons will happen (fact), so he gets another year to correct. He's no doubt on the hot seat in 2017. Pretty cut and dry to me.

So let's say we are 2-4 at this point next year. You fire him mid season?

[msstatelp1]

Well he is afforded one more year after this unless we totally tank (have to wait til end of year to gauge that). His lack of loyalty last year was well-noted, I am not denying that. But he ultimately stayed, and this year is looking bad. We're not a powerhouse, bad seasons will happen (fact), so he gets another year to correct. He's no doubt on the hot seat in 2017. Pretty cut and dry to me.

But did he stay because he wanted to or because no one would meet his asking price? His lack of effort indicates the latter .

[shoeless joe]

One real big difference. Don't think there was ever a question of Cohen's loyalty to MSU. There's a big question regarding Mullen's commitment to MSU


This is THE answer.


Also, when reading back thru some of this thread there is one particular individual that comes off looking like a complete idiot...

[sleepy dawg]

All of our coaches can't be ex-MSU players. They are all going to want to bail at some point.

[ScoobaDawg]

Don't bump super old threads. Link to it if you need.