Governor's cup game thread

[msstate7]

I really hope Ross has a good game tonight. I hate how his senior year has turned out and this game could help salvage a really bad year. This guy has been outstanding 3 of 4 years and I want him to go out better than this. Go dawgs

[preachermatt83]

Someone please tell me what Reynolds has on Cohen!!!!

[msstate7]

Someone please tell me what Reynolds has on Cohen!!!!

I suppose he's starting. He had 4 hits Sunday, so there's that

[BulldogBear]

Nice and cool out here. Looks like rain split and went more or less around us. Tarp off field. Getting it ready.

[msstate7]

Lineup? Om's starter?

[starkvegasdawg]

Nice and cool out here. Looks like rain split and went more or less around us. Tarp off field. Getting it ready.
May get a glancing blow of some light showers here in a few minutes but that should be it.

[BulldogBear]

Missed some of the lineup. Rea in cleanup spot. Hump sixth. Heck last. That's all I remember.

[JohnnyQuid]

Ross still sucks. That is all

[BulldogBear]

0.1 innings played and already action in our bullpen.

#nothingtoseehere

[msstate7]

Wow.

I hate it, but om is kicking our butts in sports this year. Egg bowl, basketball x 2, and baseball looking like more of the same

[JohnnyQuid]

Lineup? Om's starter?

Vick robson collins rea Holland hump Reymolds gridley heck.

Think I heard weathersby starting for OM. Could be wrong

[msstate7]

Vick robson collins rea Holland hump Reymolds gridley heck.

Think I heard weathersby starting for OM. Could be wrong

He is. Gonna be tough for us to score on him or anybody

[BulldogBear]

Out number two and half our team heads for the dugout. Sad. They seem ready to just get it over with.

[Original48]

Cody Brown got Vickerson Neck?

[JohnnyQuid]

Cody Brown got Vickerson Neck?

He played half the game Sunday so who knows. Nice pick wes, where's will James to bitch about his defense

[msstate7]

He played half the game Sunday so who knows. Nice pick wes, where's will James to bitch about his defense
Let's just hope Rea brought his offense too. We're gonna need it

[JohnnyQuid]

Isnt this their closer?

[msstate7]

Isnt this their closer?

Think so

[JohnnyQuid]

Gridley is almost useless offensively at this point. hopefully all the plate appearances help him next year. idk, looking for positives.

[msstate7]

Gridley is almost useless offensively at this point.

I think you can say that about pretty much every hitter we have except for useless hits. Put some runners in scoring position and we probably have .100 team avg

[JohnnyQuid]

I think you can say that about pretty much every hitter we have except for useless hits. Put some runners in scoring position and we probably have .100 team avg

We're the best at 2 out singles

Eta:with nobody on

[msstate7]

We're the best at 2 out singles

Eta:with nobody on

Yes we are. Our avgs are decent, but they don't tell the true story

[msstate7]

Good job, Ross. Hold em a while. We don't need to burn our pen with lsu starting thurs

[JohnnyQuid]

Their shortstops ***** hurts. He gone

[JohnnyQuid]

1st and 3rd no outs. Let's get it

[msstate7]

What happened to Robinson (OM ss)?

Keep it going robson

[JohnnyQuid]

Come on wes need ya now no double play

[JohnnyQuid]

What happened to Robinson (OM ss)?

Keep it going robson

Jim said hes been sick and was sick pregame

[msstate7]

Jim said hes been sick and was sick pregame

Thanks

[confucius say]

When is the last time gridley had a hit?

I swear it seems like we out hit 75% of our opponents lately but can't score.

[confucius say]

Bases loaded with one out. Can somebody finally get a clutch hit in a RBI round situation.

[msstate7]

When is the last time gridley had a hit?

I swear it seems like we out hit 75% of our opponents lately but can't score.
No timely hits and terrible situational hitting = lack of scoring

[JohnnyQuid]

Damn wes. Sounds like shit call but idk.

[msstate7]

Nice Rea. Way to be the captain

[confucius say]

No timely hits and terrible situational hitting = lack of scoring

Absolutely. And it continues. Although that looked like ball 4 to rea unh?

[JohnnyQuid]

When is the last time gridley had a hit?.

late February

[msstate7]

When is the last time gridley had a hit?

I swear it seems like we out hit 75% of our opponents lately but can't score.

That's why we can't score. 1st and 3rd with 1 out, 2nd and 3rd with 1 out, bases loaded with 1 out. We are the biggest bunch of chokers I've ever seen. We are just a bunch of p*ssies

[msstate7]

Absolutely. And it continues. Although that looked like ball 4 to rea unh?

They look to walk instead of hitting which leads to taking too many border line pitches. Hey guys, do you have a pair? Swing the bat!!!!!

[msstate7]

I have the same feeling about this bulldog team as I did about last year's Braves' team. I can't stand it. I wouldn't mind if we don't have any of them back next season. The year we made the championship game, we were tough, hard nosed. Now we're just soft. I want us to blow this team up. Spit!

[confucius say]

That's why we can't score. 1st and 3rd with 1 out, 2nd and 3rd with 1 out, bases loaded with 1 out. We are the biggest bunch of chokers I've ever seen. We are just a bunch of p*ssies

I've seen p**sies get the job done much more often than our hitters. Zing

[JohnnyQuid]

I kinda hate this team sometimes

[confucius say]

Be out of pocket for bout ten minutes. If anybody wants to sum up how this inning ends would appreciate it.

[JohnnyQuid]

Lol. Good job robson. we're embarrassing

[JohnnyQuid]

Be out of pocket for bout ten minutes. If anybody wants to sum up how this inning ends would appreciate it.

A turd

[Maroonthirteen]

That's why we can't score. 1st and 3rd with 1 out, 2nd and 3rd with 1 out, bases loaded with 1 out. We are the biggest bunch of chokers I've ever seen. We are just a bunch of p*ssies

That about sums it up.

Swing the damn bat. Looking for walk with bases loaded....gezzzz.

[JohnnyQuid]

Mintz full on shit himself on the mound

[starkvegasdawg]

Score and inning?

[msstate7]

Mintz full on shit himself on the mound

Does it matter? We're gonna get shut out anyway. Might as well pitch any one

[bluelightstar]

5-0 OM

[JohnnyQuid]

Does it matter? We're gonna get shut out anyway. Might as well pitch any one

I don't think we'll get shut out , but 5-0 is insurmountable for us

[msstate7]

Bianco bought to punk Cohen.

Om's men teams are straight up pinking our men. We are 0 for this year

[JohnnyQuid]

Lolol. 7-0. how's a deep butt ****in feel. Damn

[BulldogBear]

They get actual hits with runners in scoring position. We don't do that. That's the summary.

[msstate7]

I don't think we'll get shut out , but 5-0 is insurmountable for us

What about 7-0?

[JohnnyQuid]

Can say what u want, johns gonna get pressure to fix this shit fast. I mean nothing about firing him but I'd be flat out shocked if serious staff changes aren't made. This shit is embarrassing

[confucius say]

Geeeez. I leave for five minutes and stuff falls completely the eff apart, even more so than normal. Just save pitching at this point. Get Tatum the hell out of there.

[JohnnyQuid]

I see u Luke Reynolds

[Maroonthirteen]

When OM completes the sweep in a few weekends, the seat will be white hot coals.

[confucius say]

I see u Luke Reynolds

6 for last 6. Avg up to .241

[msstate7]

When OM completes the sweep in a few weekends, the seat will be white hot coals.

I would take the auburn approach to chizik and fire Cohen. Chizik actually won a natty and for fired 2 years later. Last I checked, auburn football is doing just fine

[JohnnyQuid]

6 for last 6. Avg up to .241

Higher than gridley Now**** he has limited at bats no way to work off a real avg

[maroonmania]

Look, everyone is pissed about THIS season, but Cohen is not going anywhere unless we have a repeat of this year again next season. Will also be big to see how many of the all-star signing class actually make it to campus.

[Ralph]

I would take the auburn approach to chizik and fire Cohen. Chizik actually won a natty and for fired 2 years later. Last I checked, auburn football is doing just fine

Unless butch or mingion is the baseball equivalent of Gus Malzahn, I don't think that's going to happen.

[JohnnyQuid]

I would take the auburn approach to chizik and fire Cohen. Chizik actually won a natty and for fired 2 years later. Last I checked, auburn football is doing just fine

I just can't see it that way... he deserves a little give.

[JohnnyQuid]

I would take the auburn approach to chizik and fire Cohen. Chizik actually won a natty and for fired 2 years later. Last I checked, auburn football is doing just fine

I just can't see it that way... he deserves a little give.

[BulldogBear]

Seriously? Swing the bat!

[msstate7]

I just can't see it that way... he deserves a little give.

Maybe so, but staff changes would be required. If Cohen refuses to get a good hitting coach, send Cohen packing

[State82]

I just can't see it that way... he deserves a little give.

Yes, he does. But I would tell him tomorrow to make Hoover or you're outta here. I would not really mean it, but that's what I'd tell him just to make him squirm a little bit. He does deserve a little give, like you said. But he also deserves to squirm a little after this show he has served up this year.

[Bothrops]

At this point Cohen can't do shit to better this year's situation. The season is kaput. Next year, radical changes will have to be made or Cohen is gone. That's the reality for John, staff, and team.

[Maroonthirteen]

Cohen isn't getting fired this year. But nothing pisses off the MSU big dawgs like losing to OM. I'm just saying Cohen will be catching a lot of heat in a few weeks. A lot of get your house in order or else.....next year a pink slip will be a real possibility if he drops the '16 series to them and they are ahead in the standings again.

[mstate68]

Just out of curiosity, if we did get rid of Cohen, who would be our top candidates to replace him?

[Bothrops]

It would be the best candidate available for a top 5 job.

[msstate7]

Cohen isn't getting fired. But nothing pisses off the MSU big dawgs like losing to OM. I'm just saying Cohen will be catching a lot of heat in a few weeks. A lot of get your house in order or else.....next year a pink slip will be a real possibility if he drops the '16 series to them and they are ahead in the standings again.

Cloyd, woodman, golsan, bortles, Robinson, Blackman, and dishon will be back next year. OM is gonna destroy our subpar pitching next season. OM is gonna be very good offensively next season. I don't see any area that we'll be good at next season

[Bothrops]

We are facing 2 ugly ass weekends ahead of us, everything Cohen is feeling is about to be ratcheted up 10 fold.

[yjnkdawg]

Maybe so, but staff changes would be required. If Cohen refuses to get a good hitting coach, send Cohen packing


I like this. And maybe we have some upperclassman leadership next year, as I heard that is part of the problem this year.

[Bothrops]

How many pitchers redshirted this year?

[RougeDawg]

Look, everyone is pissed about THIS season, but Cohen is not going anywhere unless we have a repeat of this year again next season. Will also be big to see how many of the all-star signing class actually make it to campus.

Unless he hires a hitting coach or a couple Renfroe's and Frazier's magically appear before 2016, what makes you or anyone else believe we will see any improvement offense wise? Serious question. Our problem is systematic not roster deficiency.

[msstate7]

Just out of curiosity, if we did get rid of Cohen, who would be our top candidates to replace him?

Dan heefner (Dallas baptist)

[BulldogBear]

Another big inning for Ole Miss brought to you by:

Mike Bianco school of bunting

#buntingisthekeytovictory

[BulldogBear]

Ole Miss 11, Miss. State 0

b6, 2 outs for beardsharks

[msstate7]

This is nothing. Wait till lsu gets here Thursday night.

[bluelightstar]

This is completely unacceptable.

[maroonmania]

10 run ruled in the Mayor's game. And what is really sad is that OM actually has a lower team batting average than we do.

[msstate7]

This is completely unacceptable.

Nah man, we've got to accept this garbage bc Cohen got us to the championship 2 years ago.

I say we don't. We lose all but 1 more and don't make sec tourney, I'd send him packing

[msstate7]

10 run ruled in the Mayor's game. And what is really sad is that OM actually has a lower team batting average than we do.

They're actually getting better though. We seem to be getting even worse at scoring runs if that's even possible

[JohnnyQuid]

This is completely unacceptable.

I unaccepted it 2 hours ago when I stopped listening and started drinking more ha

[confucius say]

Higher than gridley Now**** he has limited at bats no way to work off a real avg

He's up to 60 at bats now. Gettin close. Almost 1.5 a game.

[yjnkdawg]

10 run ruled in the Mayor's game. And what is really sad is that OM actually has a lower team batting average than we do.



And the other sad thing is that OM can get the key hits when they are needed with men on base, no matter how many outs and we can't.

[Maroonthirteen]

Thank goodness for women's basketball. *****

[Dawgface]

He won't be fired, but I sure wish his ass would.

[BeardoMSU]

Did we get run-ruled, lol?

[confucius say]

Unless he hires a hitting coach or a couple Renfroe's and Frazier's magically appear before 2016, what makes you or anyone else believe we will see any improvement offense wise? Serious question. Our problem is systematic not roster deficiency.

That's just false. I don't agree with some of what Cohen does, but our primary problem is personnel, bottom line. Cohen didn't just completely change his coaching style after 2014, and he has always been successful. He bunts more (wrongly) bc we can't hit.

[Treemydawg]

Y'all need to look at this in a more positive way, at least none of us state fans will have to sell our trailer houses to pay for our trip to Omaha this year*****

[BulldogBear]

Did we get run-ruled, lol?

Nope. No mercy rule. On a lighter note...we scored. 11-1 Beardsharks. Mid 8th

[BulldogBear]

The obnoxification of immediate area Beardsharks is rising rapidly.

[yjnkdawg]

Y'all need to look at this in a more positive way, at least none of us state fans will have to sell our trailer houses to pay for our trip to Omaha this year*****


LOL Good one, Treemydawg.

[yjnkdawg]

Nope. No mercy rule. On a lighter note...we scored. 11-1 Beardsharks. Mid 8th


At least Luke Reynolds came to play to win.

[HancockCountyDog]

The obnoxification of immediate area Beardsharks is rising rapidly.

The 2013 Egg Bowl will need to be watched again tonight......well the last five minutes and OT.

[msstate7]

The 2013 Egg Bowl will need to be watched again tonight......well the last five minutes and OT.

Is that the last time we beat them at anything?**

[BulldogBear]

Final, UMiss wins 11-1 and as the saying goes: "It wasn't really that close."

[confucius say]

Cloyd, woodman, golsan, bortles, Robinson, Blackman, and dishon will be back next year. OM is gonna destroy our subpar pitching next season. OM is gonna be very good offensively next season. I don't see any area that we'll be good at next season

Go look at their numbers and tell me how many of those seven scare you. Maybe 3? You can have woodman and Robinson, and Blackman and dishon couldn't start for us now, and it's not even that close.

[yjnkdawg]

Final, UMiss wins 11-1 and as the saying goes: "It wasn't really that close."


Sad to say, but it turned out in reality to be actually over after the 1st inning.

[msstate7]

Go look at their numbers and tell me how many of those seven scare you. Maybe 3? You can have woodman and Robinson, and Blackman and dishon couldn't start for us now, and it's not even that close.

They're getting better while we're getting even worse at scoring runs. OM develops hitters. They get better. Our hitters don't

[preachermatt83]

I would take the auburn approach to chizik and fire Cohen. Chizik actually won a natty and for fired 2 years later. Last I checked, auburn football is doing just fine

Thank u!!!! I said this and was attacked like crazy but I ageee 100 percent!!

[confucius say]

At least Luke Reynolds came to play to win.

7 for last 8. Hitting .250 now. Good for him.

[yjnkdawg]

They're getting better while we're getting even worse at scoring runs. OM develops hitters. They get better. Our hitters don't


This and OM may have a lower batting average than us, but, on the most part, they have been able to get the key hits when needed, which we have not been able to do.

[Sam&DeansDawg]

That was embarrassing. Ima finish this Old Crow and hit the sheets.

[confucius say]

Yea we are a disgrace right now. Sad, actually.

[msstate7]

Yea we are a disgrace right now. Sad, actually.

12 teams make the sec tourney

2 don't

We're gonna be in that exclusive group of 2.

[BulldogBear]

How are we going to win another game?

[RougeDawg]

That's just false. I don't agree with some of what Cohen does, but our primary problem is personnel, bottom line. Cohen didn't just completely change his coaching style after 2014, and he has always been successful. He bunts more (wrongly) bc we can't hit.

What are you talking about? Look at our stances vs some of the better coached teams like Vandy. Look at the hands and elbows. Our elbows mostly start out a good ways away from the core of the body, which lessens power greatly. You ever see a boxer throw a power punch with his elbow at a 90 degree angle from his body? Then why would a coach allow a hitter to have the same approach. Look at lineup in the sec and you will see that both elbows close to body core and hands placed around back shoulder will have a higher slugging percentage than those with either different. It's simple physics that the common baseball observer does not see.

I watched Bama, OM, TN, Mizzou, and USC the last two weekends and the hitters who had better power kept their elbows close together and gripped the bat with their fingers. It's simple to see if you know what you are looking for.

[I seen it dawg]

We have quitters in our locker room. A lot of them. Useless bitches. Good riddance.

[Really Clark?]

What are you talking about? Look at our stances vs some of the better coached teams like Vandy. Look at the hands and elbows. Our elbows mostly start out a good ways away from the core of the body, which lessens power greatly. You ever see a boxer throw a power punch with his elbow at a 90 degree angle from his body? Then why would a coach allow a hitter to have the same approach. Look at lineup in the sec and you will see that both elbows close to body core and hands placed around back shoulder will have a higher slugging percentage than those with either different. It's simple physics that the common baseball observer does not see.

I watched Bama, OM, TN, Mizzou, and USC the last two weekends and the hitters who had better power kept their elbows close together and gripped the bat with their fingers. It's simple to see if you know what you are looking for.

Man I hate to keep jumping on you on fundamental stuff. But I have to make sure people who may be trying to help young people hit understand what is important and correct. I will start by saying you are some what correct and wrong at the same time. As we have discussed before (and others have also pointed out) you are confusing stance style with a universal fundamental absolute. Hitters have to be allowed to find a start point in the stance that gives them a cue to find the correct slot. Look at these MLB hitters: (not the best photos but trying to be quick on my phone)

http://cdn.fangraphs.com/community/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/DF11.png

http://cdn.fangraphs.com/community/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/DF9.png

http://cdn.fangraphs.com/community/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/DF10.png

http://cdn.fangraphs.com/community/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/DF13.png

Now look at the same batter at load and his elbows now.

http://cdn.fangraphs.com/community/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/DF17.png

Looks like back elbow has properly slotted and the front has about the same amount of separation from his body.

Now look at Votto, Trout, and Cabera swings in motion

http://www.hardballtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Votto-Full.gif

http://www.hardballtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Trout-Full.gif

http://www.hardballtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Cabrera-Full.gif

I see a lot of separation with that back elbow at the stance and load. The front elbow is closer but you still are about 1 to 2 fists away from the body. You have to have some separation at stance and load because at launch your body should cause arm abduction (causing your arms to suck in, especially your top arm when the elbow slots). This is a major key in developing power. In the clips also notice another very important absolute that you are incorrect about. At contact every one of those batters have bent elbows. It is a fundmental universal absolute that every high level power hitter uses. It will vary because of pitch location, batter style, and their own kinesiology. But they have bent elbows at contact. They have elbow seperation at stance. Now some hitters to start with their elbows at the body and that's fine at stance. Do what you have to do to start the load and launch sequence properly. But quit confusing people about what has to be done vs style. Anything at preswing is just style and hitters use cues to sequence themselves into the proper swing.

Here is a smaller guy just so you see it with a different body type

http://www.hardballtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Pedroia-Full.gif

And just so the SEC guys don't feel left out. Bregman


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4JKjCSfh9ig

Swanson (horrible clip with the bar on the cage but you can see the his back elbow is away from the body and drops down into slot during the swing)


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w_-Gf7ooQjo

I have a hard time understanding what style you advocate as well. You have mentioned so many key words that are from a pure linear background and now I think you are talking pure rotational. Because advocating hands close to the body is from the CHP philosophy. But you have also promoted taking your hands to the ball which is a linear approach and to do that your hands and elbows have to seperate. No other way for the hands to go to the ball but from that seperation. To be clear I am not pure either as there is a lower body linear element at load and launch. But the upper body and after launch the lower body as well become more rotational. I think you have used old school linear terminology at times but promote a more rotational swing pattern but it causes confusion. Update your studies and spend more time analysing videos of swings to make sure your thought process matches what is actually being done.

[RocketCityDawg]

But Clark, how can they hit if their "stance" is wrong? hahahahahaha

[State82]

Now THAT was an analysis Clark. Nice job.