USCe Game 2 Thread

[It_Could_Happen]

Same lineup as last night at P. Brown on the bump. I guess we will see today if last night was a fluke or not.

[JohnnyQuid]

3 straight with same lineup, we're making progress.

[preachermatt83]

If Cohen don't take the bats out of our hitters hands we will score some runs.

[Dawg Corps]

Where can I steam the game online? Link please.

EDIT - found it.

[JohnnyQuid]

That was a pretty nice defensive play by wes pitcher just missed the bag

[bulldogcountry1]

We give too many 2 strike hits.

[DudyDawg]

Game on tv at all since it got moved up? Or watch Espn?

[I seen it dawg]

Is Smitty running the diamond dry crew? Those guys aren't doing shit taking a handful at a time. None of them ever played. Open the damn bag up and dump it christ. It's gonna get drug anyway. Good god. We won't play for another 2 hours. Good job Smitty.

[I seen it dawg]

The worst crew ever. Killing our starting pitcher by taking so damn long getting the infield dry. We should be playing already.

[JohnnyQuid]

Yea for how long it rained I think this is the longest rain delay I've ever seen for 3 mins of rain

[maroonmania]

What's going on? Nevermind, guess its a rain delay.

[BulldogBear]

Back on espn app!!! Got a few minutes to watch. Here we go!

[BulldogBear]

Sounds like Matt and Bart(?) doing play by play

[BulldogBear]

Rea with a sliding one out double!

[BulldogBear]

Gridley fly out to RF. 2 down, Wes Rea on 2nd, trailing 1-0 B2

Holland at plate

[BulldogBear]

3-0 count

[BulldogBear]

BB for Holland. Runners on 1B and 2B. Heck up.

[BulldogBear]

0-2 count

[BulldogBear]

Heck grounder to SS. SS throws it away at 2nd. 2 runs score (Dawgs lead 2-1), Heck makes it to 3B.

[BulldogBear]

Cody Brown at plate, man on 3B, 2 out

[BulldogBear]

3-1 Dawgs. 2 out RBI double by Brown!!!!

[JohnnyQuid]

We're really going the other way with this guy nicely

[BulldogBear]

Base hit to CF!! Way to go Vick! 4-1 MSU

[JohnnyQuid]

Vick single 4-1. Where'd these bats come from! !

[BulldogBear]

Meeting at the mound now.

Unfortunately, I have to check out and go back to woek. Thread will be only contact with game. Would appreciate some updates!

[JohnnyQuid]

Collins single Vick to third throw got away collins got to 2nd. 2nd n 3rd 2 outs

[msstate7]

Maybe we aren't done this year

[JohnnyQuid]

Base knock for hump to score 2, 6-1

[JohnnyQuid]

Robson k to end inning. 6-1 after 2

[mparkerfd20]

I think we found the perfect lineup. Bats are starting to warm up for us.

[Ralph]

Nice inning. So what's the deal with our players smelling their fingers prior to fist pump on xbh?

[msstate7]

If brown can hold onto this lead, we have a real shot at a sweep with tatum and sexton still available. Hopefully we can get thru this game without using them

[msstate7]

Come on brown

[JohnnyQuid]

SC with 2 out double , followed by rbi single. 6-2

[JohnnyQuid]

Chopper to 3rd to end inning, going bot 3

[msstate7]

Welcome back rea

[JohnnyQuid]

Rea smokes a ball up the middle leadoff single

[JohnnyQuid]

DP and ground out. nothing doing in 3rd

[msstate7]

Big inning for brown. We need a scoreless frame

[JohnnyQuid]

Quick inning for brown - going bot 4 6-2

[JohnnyQuid]

Infield single for Seth heck to lead things off

[Smitty]

Booooooooo

Cody Brown sac. Cohen can't help himself.

[JohnnyQuid]

Brown bunt moves heck to 2nd 1 out.

[bulldogcountry1]

Ugh.

[msstate7]

Booooooooo

Cody Brown sac. Cohen can't help himself.

It turned out well

[JohnnyQuid]

Vick rbi single up the gut, 7-2

[msstate7]

Collins with 2 hits and neither hit well. Hopefully he's about to start driving the ball

[JohnnyQuid]

Collins infield single. 2 on 1 out

[Smitty]

It turned out well

So

[C222]

Booooooooo

Cody Brown sac. Cohen can't help himself.

Oops.

[msstate7]

So

It was a big run

[Smitty]

Oops.

No. It was stupid.

Only small minded people judge baseball decisions solely on the result.

[Smitty]

It was a big run

Singular… Not plural. See how it works.

One run.

[TopDog58]

No. It was stupid.

Only small minded people judge baseball decisions solely on the result.

We get it! Do you have to be a loser in EVERY game thread?

[msstate7]

6 pitch inning for Preston. Outstanding

[BulldogBear]

6 pitch inning for Preston. Outstanding

Sweet! Thank y'all for the updates

[msstate7]

2-out single for holland. Heck up

[msstate7]

Heck with fly ball single. Runners on corners with brown up

[msstate7]

Brown flies out to center. 7-2

[msstate7]

Usce with leadoff single

[msstate7]

Strike out then throw out runner stealing

[msstate7]

Strike out. 7-2 bottom 6

[sandwolf]

Damn, Preston Brown looks great today.

[HancockCountyDog]

Looks like all the **** Cohen folk, jumped off the bandwagon a little early.

[msstate7]

Damn, Preston Brown looks great today.

Be nice if he can finish this

[BulldogBear]

Damn, Preston Brown looks great today.

!!!!!

[msstate7]

Looks like all the **** Cohen folk, jumped off the bandwagon a little early.

Please keep this up. I wanna eat crow

[msstate7]

Vick flies out

[msstate7]

Collins with 3rd single. Hump hits into dp

[BulldogBear]

Please keep this up. I wanna eat crow

I prefer mine stuffed with cheese and wrapped in bacon. As a condition though, Cohen must continue to do the cooking.

[msstate7]

Usce hr 7-3

[msstate7]

1 down

[Bucky Dog]

Looks like all the **** Cohen folk, jumped off the bandwagon a little early.

I think everyone has just wanted Cohen to do what he is doing these past two games and that is be more aggressive with the offense and quit bunting. I am not sure if it is eating crow if Cohen made the changes most of us are demanding. I think it is more of an "I told you so" to Cohen, and a big "thank you"!

[msstate7]

2 down

[jbjones]

Inning over. M7, 3-7 Dogs. I tell you what, this is fun again.

[msstate7]

7-3 stretch time

[msstate7]

Robson out

[sandwolf]

Shit Robson.

[msstate7]

Rea 1-out double. 3 hits (2 doubles)

[engie]

I think everyone has just wanted Cohen to do what he is doing these past two games and that is be more aggressive with the offense and quit bunting. I am not sure if it is eating crow if Cohen made the changes most of us are demanding. I think it is more of an "I told you so" to Cohen, and a big "thank you"!

If that's what everyone was demanding -- that's what everyone would have demanded. There were a whole bunch of people that went well beyond full retard on this and were calling for firings, looking for replacements, etc. I never have issues with individual critiquing/criticism -- it's the big picture flip outs over a small sample size that drive me crazy. Cohen already showed in 2013 that when our dudes prove they can swing it -- he will let them. I have been against the small ball thing since before the Will James persona came online -- but it's still not to the level of freak out that people are making it. Baseball is a long season.

No "I told you so" -- 80% of the board was bitching about Preston getting this start. Now SC boutta be all mother hubbared with Sexton and Tatum both still in the cupboard...

This is prettymuch an every year thing with Cohen and Butch. We've started 3-6 in 3 of the past 4 years in the SEC I believe. I dunno how many times people have to see it before they expect it and compensate for that in their posting habits. I've been wrong about plenty of stuff in my time -- but when I am, I own it, and you won't often see me make the same mistakes twice...

[msstate7]

Usce pitching change

[sandwolf]

Rea with a 1 out double.

[War Machine Dawg]

Please keep this up. I wanna eat crow


I prefer mine stuffed with cheese and wrapped in bacon. As a condition though, Cohen must continue to do the cooking.

+1

[confucius say]

Time to get preston

[JohnnyQuid]

Mother****er please not another 8th inning meltdown

[MadisonDawg]

Left Brown out there too long.

[Smitty]

Fitts

[JohnnyQuid]

Grounder to 2nd gets runner home 7-5. 2 outs man on 3rd

[msstate7]

Got to hold on in this game, but we might get a little rpi help... Cinci 4-1 over #6 ucf in 4th. If they hold on, it's a series win. Need Arizona to beat usc

[JohnnyQuid]

Line drive to Holland , outta the inning

[confucius say]

Whew. Dodged a bullet with a little fortune. Line out right at Holland.

[confucius say]

Got to hold on in this game, but we might get a little rpi help... Cinci 4-1 over #6 ucf in 4th. If they hold on, it's a series win. Need Arizona to beat usc

Those Arizona wins are looking better and better. Saw they are in top 25 now.

[sandwolf]

Lead off walk to Vickerson.

[Smitty]

Collins squaring around

[confucius say]

Bunt with Collins if he gets behind in count. There, I said it. If he gets to 2-1, let him hit.

[JohnnyQuid]

Collins bunting on a 3-4 day. Don't lIke it but hope it works out. Wasn't squaring on the 1-1 so maybe it's off

[msstate7]

Collins bunting on a 3-4 day. Don't lIke it but hope it works out

Not sure if it matters of not, but only 1 of those hits was struck well.

[Smitty]

Bunt with Collins if he gets behind in count. There, I said it. If he gets to 2-1, let him hit.

We do understand that it doesn't increase your chances of scoring a run right

[confucius say]

Collins bunting on a 3-4 day. Don't lIke it but hope it works out

Good point. Although he has only hit one ball hard. I'd swing away on 2-1. With Vick, I would run if it gets to 3-1.

[confucius say]

We do understand that it doesn't increase your chances of scoring a run right

Normally, yes. If he gets behind in the count though, sabermetrics says his chance of reaching on a base hit is 10.5%. **

[Smitty]

Normally, yes. If he gets behind in the count though, sabermetrics says his chance of reaching on a base hit is 10.5%. **

So now you only have 1 shot at it already behind in the count… Genius

[JohnnyQuid]

Good point. Although he has only hit one ball hard. I'd swing away on 2-1. With Vick, I would run if it gets to 3-1.

I agree. Definately on this 3-2

[confucius say]

Start runner here on 3-2

[msstate7]

I want to bunt here. I don't care if you guys crucify me

[Smitty]

Hey! We got Vick to 2nd without giving away an out!!

Collins walks.

[sandwolf]

Collins walks. Runners on 1st and 2nd with nobody out.

[Smitty]

I want to bunt here. I don't care if you guys crucify me

I disagree

[JohnnyQuid]

I want to bunt here. I don't care if you guys crucify me

I wouldn't mind a bunt here. 2nd and 3rd 1 out and we just want to extend the lead

[msstate7]

I disagree

I know you do haha.
Come on robson

[confucius say]

That was the right call to bunt Ried there. I don't care what anybody says (Smitty.) And yes, I know its different with runners on second and first then just first. Please tell me you support Reid bunting there. If not, you should quit following baseball.

[JohnnyQuid]

That was the right call to bunt Ried there. I don't care what anybody says (Smitty.) And yes, I know its different with runners on second and first then just first. Please tell me you support Reid bunting there. If not, you should quit following baseball.

It was definately the right move considering inning and score + we executed it perfectly

[confucius say]

It was definately the right move considering inning and score + we executed it perfectly

Exactly. Regardless of what happens the rest of the inning. That was the right call.

[msstate7]

I hate to even suggest messing with the lineup, but I think holland should be in robson' spot. Holland has more pop and would be a better guy to break up our rh big bats

[JohnnyQuid]

Robson walk bases loaded for rea. No double play please

[confucius say]

So now you only have 1 shot at it already behind in the count… Genius

One shot to what? Get the bunt down? First, you are wrong, you have two chances. Once with one strike and once with two strikes. If you are a sec baseball player that cannot get a bunt down with two chances then I would not bunt you in the first place, I would let you hit.

[Smitty]

Please tell me you support Reid bunting there.

Absolutely not

[Smitty]

One shot to what? Get the bunt down? First, you are wrong, you have two chances. Once with one strike and once with two strikes. If you are a sec baseball player that cannot get a bunt down with two chances then I would not bunt you in the first place, I would let you hit.

Derp

[JohnnyQuid]

Wow that was not a strike. Bullshit

[Smitty]

Big Boy backwards K.

[msstate7]

Wow that was not a strike. Bullshit

Jim certainly didn't think so

[JohnnyQuid]

Big Boy backwards K.

That ball was damn near in the batters box

[Smitty]

Hey! Lets bunt our .300/.405/.567 in SEC play hitter!

Didn't score after 1st and 2nd NO outs. Why? Giving away outs.

[msstate7]

That ball was damn near in the batters box

Hopefully blue ready to go home. Call strikes

[msstate7]

Hey! Lets bunt our .300/.405/.567 in SEC play hitter!

Didn't score after 1st and 2nd NO outs. Why? Giving away outs.
Don't judge a move by the results.., where have I heard that? Haha

[JohnnyQuid]

Hey! Lets bunt our .300/.405/.567 in SEC play hitter!

Didn't score after 1st and 2nd NO outs. Why? Giving away outs.

Yea that's why we didn't score ** I'm sorry u can't say that by not bunting there we score.

[Smitty]

Yea that's why we didn't score ** I'm sorry u can't say that by not bunting there we score.

Um, we have a better chance to.

[Smitty]

Don't judge a move by the results.., where have I heard that? Haha

We know how to judge it.. We have the ability to say one move is better than another

[confucius say]

Hey! Lets bunt our .300/.405/.567 in SEC play hitter!

Didn't score after 1st and 2nd NO outs. Why? Giving away outs.

You are kidding right. You do realize you have a much better chance of scoring statistically speaking with second and third and one out then runner on second and no outs.

This does not fall into your usual line of thinking with a runner on first and nobody out.

[Smitty]

We win!! Despite Cohen's best efforts!!!

Get the brooms out tomorrow!

[JohnnyQuid]

Um, we have a better chance to.

That may be but u can't say that's why we didn't score just sounds stupid. Was right call in that situation. And anyway, we win.

[Smitty]

You are kidding right. You do realize you have a much better chance of scoring statistically speaking with second and third and one out then runner on second and no outs.

This does not fall into your usual line of thinking with a runner on first and nobody out.

You score less runs. And you assume 100% bunt success. Obviously bunts are not 100% successful.

[Todd4State]

You score less runs. And you assume 100% bunt success. Obviously bunts are not 100% successful.

While you assume 100% hit success...

[confucius say]

You score less runs. And you assume 100% bunt success. Obviously bunts are not 100% successful.

That is a fair point. I am assuming you are successful with the bunt.

But you do not score less. Not with a lefty-righty matchup on deck and a guy that is not going to be doubled up. Now full disclosure, you do leave first base open which allows for a free pass to set up the double play, and because big boy was in the hole any ground ball not through would be a double play. This aint checkers, its chess.

[Smitty]

While you assume 100% hit success...

Yeah..... That's a really unintelligent statement.

[Smitty]

That is a fair point. I am assuming you are successful with the bunt.

But you do not score less. Not with a lefty-righty matchup on deck and a guy that is not going to be doubled up. Now full disclosure, you do leave first base open which allows for a free pass to set up the double play, and because big boy was in the hole any ground ball not through would be a double play. This aint checkers, its chess.

http://www.boydsworld.com/data/ert.html

You score less

[Todd4State]

That is a fair point. I am assuming you are successful with the bunt.

But you do not score less. Not with a lefty-righty matchup on deck and a guy that is not going to be doubled up. Now full disclosure, you do leave first base open which allows for a free pass to set up the double play, and because big boy was in the hole any ground ball not through would be a double play. This aint checkers, its chess.

Actual thinking like a real baseball person. This is refreshing.

[confucius say]

http://www.boydsworld.com/data/ert.html

You score less

This is the dumbest thing you have ever posted. It proves you are wrong. You do understand up by two in the bottom of the eighth we are not playing for MULTIPLE runs. I'm not trying to hang a crooked number up there and no baseball manager in the history of the game is trying to do that (yes, even with a suspect bull pen-but mind you, our pen has become more solid lately with Fitts and the emergence of Mintz). You are trying to add AN insurance run, and if you get more, then great. The charts prove you are more likely to score A run with second and third and one out than first and second and no outs. Its okay to bunt in some situations.

[Smitty]

This is the dumbest thing you have ever posted. It proves you are wrong. You do understand up by two in the bottom of the eighth we are not playing for MULTIPLE runs. I'm not trying to hang a crooked number up there and no baseball manager in the history of the game is trying to do that (yes, even with a suspect bull pen-but mind you, our pen has become more solid lately with Fitts and the emergence of Mintz). You are trying to add AN insurance run, and if you get more, then great. The charts prove you are more likely to score A run with second and third and one out than first and second and no outs. Its okay to bunt in some situations.

This is a tired meme that really doesn't make sense. Playing for one doesn't increase your chances of scoring.

The move two over bunt would be okay if we had Robson or Spruill up.. Not Hump.

[confucius say]

This is a tired meme that really doesn't make sense. Playing for one doesn't increase your chances of scoring.

The move two over bunt would be okay if we had Robson or Spruill up.. Not Hump.

1. So you disagree with the chart you posted to attempt to make your point? Because the chart you posted absolutely says its increases your chance of scoring.
2. If Spruill is up, we have much bigger issues then deciding whether or not to bunt because Cohen has lost his mind or everybody else on the team quit.
3. I do appreciate your baseball knowledge, we just disagree on this point. And your chart supports my line of thinking.

[Smitty]

1. So you disagree with the chart you posted to attempt to make your point? Because the chart you posted absolutely says its increases your chance of scoring.
2. If Spruill is up, we have much bigger issues then deciding whether or not to bunt because Cohen has lost his mind or everybody else on the team quit.
3. I do appreciate your baseball knowledge, we just disagree on this point. And your chart supports my line of thinking.

Having runners there increases your chances of scoring 2%. To get runners there you MUST have a successful sac bunt which can't be done at a 95% rate. Meaning bunting does not increase your chances.

[confucius say]

Having runners there increases your chances of scoring 2%. To get runners there you MUST have a successful sac bunt which can't be done at a 95% rate. Meaning bunting does not increase your chances.

I told you I'm assuming we get the bunt down. More importantly, your theory is, even when the percentages are in your favor if you successfully sacrifice runners over, you still believe you should not sacrifice runners over in order to take advantage of the percentages out of fear that your SEC baseball player who is a good bunter (Hump) cannot get a sac bunt down and your guy on second (Vickerson) who is a 4.0 home-to-first guy cannot get to third successfully once the sac bunt is laid down. If that is your theory (which amounts to never bunting in any situation), that is fine, just don't expect others, including baseball coaches, to adopt it.

[Smitty]

I told you I'm assuming we get the bunt down.

But you can't assume that.

I accept the move two runners bunt with poor hitters (NL pitchers.. Kyle Hann). But in the college game, where hitters are much more likely to get on base, with the DH, with worse defenses, with worse bunters, the bunt is used entirely too much. Reid Humphreys should never EVER lay one down. Gavin Collins should never EVER lay one down.

[confucius say]

But you can't assume that.

I accept the move two runners bunt with poor hitters (NL pitchers.. Kyle Hann). But in the college game, where hitters are much more likely to get on base, with the DH, with worse defenses, with worse bunters, the bunt is used entirely too much. Reid Humphreys should never EVER lay one down. Gavin Collins should never EVER lay one down.

Fair enough. I just disagree. Reid is a good bunter and it really comes down to whether or not you feel he is more likely to get the bunt down or to get a hit. If I feel Reid has a better chance of getting the bunt down then getting a hit, I bunt. Cohen obviously felt that way, as did I, as would 99% of people on this board, and as do you if you are honest with yourself because it is much easier to get a sac bunt down than get a hit. At that point, it doesn't matter what the results are the rest of the inning, because the percentages tell you that you have a better chance to score one run after the sacrifice, and you have given your guys the odds-on percentage to score one run. Its simple math, and that's how metric guys like Cohen approach the game, for better or worse.

[Smitty]

Fair enough. I just disagree. Reid is a good bunter and it really comes down to whether or not you feel he is more likely to get the bunt down or to get a hit. If I feel Reid has a better chance of getting the bunt down then getting a hit, I bunt. Cohen obviously felt that way, as did I, as would 99% of people on this board, and as do you if you are honest with yourself because it is much easier to get a sac bunt down than get a hit.

But you are getting OUT. It's the furthest thing from "better chance of a bunt or a hit"... Mike Trout has a better chance of getting a bunt down than a hit. You are giving away a free out is the issue. What if Reid walks? Extra base hit? HBP? Home run! Scores 3! Why are we limiting our offense anyway? Why not try to go up 4-5 there?

[blacklistedbully]

But you are getting OUT. It's the furthest thing from "better chance of a bunt or a hit"... Mike Trout has a better chance of getting a bunt down than a hit. You are giving away a free out is the issue. What if Reid walks? Extra base hit? HBP? Home run! Scores 3! Why are we limiting our offense anyway? Why not try to go up 4-5 there?

Because he could also SO, hit into a DP, hit into a force out at 3rd, etc, etc. It is the VERY reason the odds of scoring 1 run are greater, even though the odds of scoring more than 1 run are less.

You have been explained this repeatedly. You're just unable to grasp it. It is possible to increase your odds of scoring 1 run while simultaneously reducing your chances to score more than 1 run.

[confucius say]

But you are getting OUT. It's the furthest thing from "better chance of a bunt or a hit"... Mike Trout has a better chance of getting a bunt down than a hit. You are giving away a free out is the issue. What if Reid walks? Extra base hit? HBP? Home run! Scores 3! Why are we limiting our offense anyway? Why not try to go up 4-5 there?

You are not getting it. The only goal, the only mindset, is to score one run! If you are trying to score multiple runs, then you absolutely do not bunt. You are limiting your offense (the big inning) for the higher probability of scoring one run. And that is the fundamental disconnect between you and I-your self admitted goal is to score multiple runs, even if in attempting doing so you lessen your chance to score one run. My goal is to score one run, even if in attempting to do so you lessen your chance to score multiple runs.

You agree that Reid has a better chance of being successful sac bunting then reaching on a hit (HBP/walk does not count because you can do that bunting, just like Collins did in the 8th). If he hits away and fails (which is much more likely than sac bunting and failing), you are in same position with one out, which leave you with a much less chance to score one run. Because my only goal is to score one run, and he is much more likely get the bunt down than get a hit, I bunt.

In any event, lets sweep tomorrow.

[Smitty]

You are not getting it. The only goal, the only mindset, is to score one run!

Because you CANNOT assume a successful bunt the odds of scoring, even ONE run go down! It is NOT a tradeoff.

[confucius say]

Because you CANNOT assume a successful bunt the odds of scoring, even ONE run go down! It is NOT a tradeoff.

The odds of scoring one run if you don't bunt are 71%. Do you agree that the odds of getting the bunt down with Reid are greater than that?

The answer is an obvious yes. At that point, you then have a better than 71% chance to score one run.

[Smitty]

The odds of scoring one run if you don't bunt are 71%. Do you agree that the odds of getting the bunt down with Reid are greater than that?

The answer is an obvious yes. At that point, you then have a better than 71% chance to score one run.

The odds of scoring AT LEAST one run with men on 1st and 2nd and no outs is 71%
The odds of scoring AT LEAST one run with men on 2nd and 3rd and one out is 73%

So you would need to be almost perfect at bunting to justify that. Not to mention that we were bunting Reid 17ing Humphreys.

[Homedawg]

Yes, Reid humpries, not mike trout, not Raphael palmeiro.

[Smitty]

Yes, Reid humpries, not mike trout, not Raphael palmeiro.

Hump's SEC slash line mirrors Trout

[Really Clark?]

Hump's SEC slash line mirrors Trout

Not going to get into the bunt debate because it's a close call either way especially when you factor in the win expectancy of a 3 run lead vs 2 run lead. The game is played 90 feet at a time and you run into trouble trying to coach beyond the next base. The only thing is, as you well know it is not a fair comparison of direct numbers between a MLB player vs a college. Not to mention I disagree that they have similar stat lines in this case. Trout is a career .305/.395/.549 hitter in the majors. Big difference straight up and if adjusted for competition, Trout would have big college numbers. Humps sample size is way way to small to compare as well. 30 at bats vs over 2,000 plate appearances for Trout. Trouts average and OBP go up a good bit of you throw in his minor league totals as well.

[Dawg61]

College players aren't as good defensively and are more likely to make mistakes when pressure is put on them in the late innings. Even just faking the bunt puts more pressure on the pitcher to locate better while at the same time it's the most difficult already. At home with the home crowd already all over the pitcher the bunt can be used more as a weapon late in a game with a small lead or tied than only being a sacrifice. I DO NOT want to see the bunt early in games but tonight in the eighth with a small lead and at home it is absolutely the correct call.