Howland Vist w/ Malik

[Big4Dawg]

Stolen from "dawgsfinnaeat1" on 247: Just passing this along. Take it for what it's worth but I received this info from a basketball coach in the Jackson area that's familar with Malik. During his visit at some point Howland told Malik that he coached a guy very similar to him (malik) that's about to be named the MVP of the NBA, then Howland said let's call him up and see what he thinks you need to do next year. Howland then calls Russell Westbrook and puts him on speaker phone and he talked to Malik for several minutes about playing for Coach Howland and how he believed Howland would get him to where he wants to be and so on.

[BeardoMSU]

I hope that's true. Holy shit that would be bad ass.

[messageboardsuperhero]

If true, that's awesome.

I know if I were a 5* combo guard, that would go a long way with me.

[coastratdog]

Just curious, is that an NCAA recruitment violation?

[msstate7]

Just curious, is that an NCAA recruitment violation?

Nba guard isn't affiliated with state

[msstate7]

I was skeptical of this bc of nba teams playing during the time of an in home visit. There was only 1 nba game thurs night between Indiana and Milwaukee

[messageboardsuperhero]

Just curious, is that an NCAA recruitment violation?

I don't really see how it could be, since Westbrook isn't an MSU booster or affiliated with the university in any way.

[WinningIsRelentless]

Just curious, is that an NCAA recruitment violation?

Only our damn fans would be stupid enough to ask if something was a violation.
Yall wonder why mississippi pushes the limits and get away with it, it is because they don't ask questions in public forums.

Just damn

[ScottH]

Only our damn fans would be stupid enough to ask if something was a violation.
Yall wonder why mississippi pushes the limits and get away with it, it is because they don't ask questions in public forums.

Just damn

Spot on.

There are days we can't get out of our own way.

[HailState39110]

Just curious, is that an NCAA recruitment violation?


Bad boys .Bad boys. whatcha gonna do. whatcha gonna do when Bracky comes for you

[BeardoMSU]

Just curious, is that an NCAA recruitment violation?

There is a minimum post count you must amass before you can bring forth such inquiries****

[messageboardsuperhero]

Only our damn fans would be stupid enough to ask if something was a violation.
Yall wonder why mississippi pushes the limits and get away with it, it is because they don't ask questions in public forums.

Just damn

Lol, I was thinking the same thing.

[preachermatt83]

Wow!! I hope that's true.

[coastratdog]

Only our damn fans would be stupid enough to ask if something was a violation.
Yall wonder why mississippi pushes the limits and get away with it, it is because they don't ask questions in public forums.

Just damn

Only our damn fans would post a violation on a public forum.

Only our damn fans would think they are too cute to try and turn a simple question into a "Look how much a smart ass I am"
post on a public forum.

Rebel troll.

[Coach34]

Some people just ask things because they dont keep up with things as much as others. It's in no way a violation- Westbrook never attended Miss State

[WinningIsRelentless]

Only our damn fans would post a violation on a public forum.

Only our damn fans would think they are too cute to try and turn a simple question into a "Look how much a smart ass I am"
post on a public forum.

Rebel troll.

Far from a rebel troll. Proud grad from state their buddy. Use common sense and don't post crap like that to have people to run with it.

[coastratdog]

Far from a rebel troll. Proud grad from state their buddy. Use common sense and don't post crap like that to have people to run with it.

Maybe you should use common sense and not get into a pissing match on a public forum
with someone who has TWO degrees from said school.

[Dawg61]

Far from a rebel troll. Proud grad from state their buddy. Use common sense and don't post crap like that to have people to run with it.


Maybe you should use common sense and not get into a pissing match on a public forum
with someone who has TWO degrees from said school.

Maybe both of y'all should just piss on Homedawg instead

[WinningIsRelentless]

Maybe both of y'all should just piss on Homedawg instead

He might get off on that stuff like Michael phelps

[War Machine Dawg]

Just curious, is that an NCAA recruitment violation?

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[WinningIsRelentless]

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Oh that is going to get a response from a guy with TWO degrees from state!

[Coach34]

Let's back to being excited about Malik strongly leaning our way

[BeardoMSU]

Let's back to being excited about Malik strongly leaning our way

Yes, let us.

So back on subject, adding Malik and the JC Big to the current class, what will mean for roster spots on the team? Who's getting walking papers?

[smootness]

Yes, let us.

So back on subject, adding Malik and the JC Big to the current class, what will mean for roster spots on the team? Who's getting walking papers?

I'll be honest, I don't like the speculation. I just hope it's not anyone from the current class or any would-be seniors. Also hope it's not Houston. Not a whole lot of options left after that.

[War Machine Dawg]

Yes, let us.

So back on subject, adding Malik and the JC Big to the current class, what will mean for roster spots on the team? Who's getting walking papers?


I'll be honest, I don't like the speculation. I just hope it's not anyone from the current class or any would-be seniors. Also hope it's not Houston. Not a whole lot of options left after that.

You gotta think it's Endo and Dunlap. Endo is a disaster and Dunlap is small. We'll already be small enough with Ready and Tookie, assuming we keep Tookie.

[maroonmania]

You gotta think it's Endo and Dunlap. Endo is a disaster and Dunlap is small. We'll already be small enough with Ready and Tookie, assuming we keep Tookie.

You read my mind. It would be nuts IMO to keep Dunlap at the expense of losing Tookie and if you bring in another Big then I would think Ndoye would be first post player out. But Howland is the one who knows what he wants his team to look like.

[yjnkdawg]

I'll be honest, I don't like the speculation. I just hope it's not anyone from the current class or any would-be seniors. Also hope it's not Houston. Not a whole lot of options left after that.



I can't see it being Houston as he has a lot of potential and good work ethic.

High School
-As a senior, averaged 19 points, 14 rebounds, 4 assists and 2 steals.
-Tabbed the 6A Alabama Player of the Year and Metro MVP.
-Carver finished 24-5 and lost to Mountain Brook in the semifinals of Class 6A Final Four, 49-38.
-In the semi-final game, Houston had a game-high 16 points to go along with his 7 rebounds and 3 steals.
-Selected to play in the Alabama-Mississippi All-Star Game and finished with 9 points and 3 rebounds.

[I seen it dawg]

In Howland we trust. I don't care what he does to the roster. He has my faith.

[Coach34]

Houston is going to be one of our 3 or 4 best players- he aint going anywhere

[Treemydawg]

Houston is going to be one of our 3 or 4 best players- he aint going anywhere

Not trying to be a smartass. I hope you are right coach, maybe this won't turn out like the RR will be back 100% prediction.

[CrookedLetta]

Why are people speculating Tookie won't be on the team? Seems pretty nuts to me.

[chef dixon]

Why are people speculating Tookie won't be on the team? Seems pretty nuts to me.
I agree. He doesn't have much better options currently. I think it'll be up to howland

[Dawg61]

Why are people speculating Tookie won't be on the team? Seems pretty nuts to me.

I will be pissed if we lose Tookie. He's already better than IJ right now. Be very stupid to let him get away.

[mic]

In Howland we trust. I don't care what he does to the roster. He has my faith.

Exactly ...

[maroonmania]

I will be pissed if we lose Tookie. He's already better than IJ right now. Be very stupid to let him get away.

If we don't keep Tookie and do keep Dunlap I will be pissed.

[Brad Stevens]

Tookie is an undersized 1, and Dunlap is an undersized 2. If we land Newman, I'm okay with either of them moving on. However, I'm in the minority and would rather have Dunlap personally. All we know is a lot can (and probably will) change in the next 2 or 3 months.

[msstate7]

Tookie is an undersized 1, and Dunlap is an undersized 2. If we land Newman, I'm okay with either of them moving on. However, I'm in the minority and would rather have Dunlap personally. All we know is a lot can (and probably will) change in the next 2 or 3 months.

Malik is a 1-year player. Tookie could RS and help us down the line

[Brad Stevens]

Malik is a 1-year player. Tookie could RS and help us down the line

I believe Dunlap will help us more than Tookie. Obviously, I am in the minority on this board. I see Dunlap as a combo guard who can easily transition to the 1 to give us more length and shooting from that spot. I do realize health is a concern, though.

[defiantdog]

Howland has already out recruited Ray. Who else is ready to be relevant in basketball again?

[Dawg61]

I believe Dunlap will help us more than Tookie. Obviously, I am in the minority on this board. I see Dunlap as a combo guard who can easily transition to the 1 to give us more length and shooting from that spot. I do realize health is a concern, though.

Tookie has potential to be the best PG ever at MSU. He shouldn't even be considered as a potential drop. Have you guys watched any games of his? He'd be our third best player the second he steps on campus.

[Brad Stevens]

Tookie has potential to be the best PG ever at MSU. He shouldn't even be considered as a potential drop. Have you guys watched any games of his? He'd be our third best player the second he steps on campus.

You're kidding, right?

[msstate7]

You're kidding, right?

I believe tookie is superior to ready right now

[Dawg61]

You're kidding, right?

Nope. Tookie is that good. I'm confident.

[Brad Stevens]

I believe tookie is superior to ready right now

He very well may be. However, could be best ever according to 61? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only other scholarship offer I can find on him is to UAB. He is 5 ft 10 and playing against similar sized players in all of his highlights. It doesn't take much foresight that calling him "possibly one of the best ever" as a slightly premature statement.

[msstate7]

Keep an eye on ready. With Malik guaranteed pg and tookie committed, ready might transfer out. Pure speculation...

[Brad Stevens]

Nope. Tookie is that good. I'm confident.

And I'm confident I'd rather have Dunlap than Tookie (if it came down to that). However, I see nothing in them that convinces me either of them will be the best ever. Your prior basketball knowledge sure won't sway me, either.

[Brad Stevens]

Keep an eye on ready. With Malik guaranteed pg and tookie committed, ready might transfer out. Pure speculation...

I wouldn't be surprised by that.

[Ifyouonlyknew]

Keep an eye on ready. With Malik guaranteed pg and tookie committed, ready might transfer out. Pure speculation...

I'd be very very surprised by that.

[Dawg61]

Your prior basketball knowledge sure won't sway me, either.

Remember who you're talking to Brad. I'm the guy that was screaming for three years to get Ray fired. You're the other guy.

[Brad Stevens]

Remember who you're talking to Brad. I'm the guy that was screaming for three years to get Ray fired. You're the other guy.

You screamed for lots of things, and thankfully this administration showed patience until the proper time. I never screamed for Ray to stay - I simply said he deserved his 3rd year. I also said if he didn't make the NIT or win 9-10 conference games, it's probably time to move on. Well here we are with Coach Howland, so I think we should both be okay with that scenario, right?

[mic]

And I'm confident I'd rather have Dunlap than Tookie (if it came down to that). However, I see nothing in them that convinces me either of them will be the best ever. Your prior basketball knowledge sure won't sway me, either.

Welcome back Brad Stevens...

[mic]

You screamed for lots of things, and thankfully this administration showed patience until the proper time. I never screamed for Ray to stay - I simply said he deserved his 3rd year. I also said if he didn't make the NIT or win 9-10 conference games, it's probably time to move on. Well here we are with Coach Howland, so I think we should both be okay with that scenario, right?

Again welcome back Brad...

[Dawg61]

You screamed for lots of things, and thankfully this administration showed patience until the proper time. I never screamed for Ray to stay - I simply said he deserved his 3rd year. I also said if he didn't make the NIT or win 9-10 conference games, it's probably time to move on. Well here we are with Coach Howland, so I think we should both be okay with that scenario, right?

I remeber two things I screamed most for. 1. Forced positive attrition and 2. Ray gone. Which I find ironic because we're posting in a thread talking about whose going to be the forced attrition. But you're right I am very ecstatic we landed Howland!

[smootness]

Tookie is a stud, and he has far more potential than Dunlap. Dunlap will never be a PG, and he's too small to routinely play the 2, especially without great athleticism.

My only question on Tookie is whether he's big enough for what Howland wants at PG. But if he isn't big enough at the 1, then Dunlap certainly isn't big enough at the 2.

As others have said, though, I trust Howland.

[mic]

if IJ stays and I'm pretty sure he will, a lot of you may be eating your words on the play of IJ... Everyone knows ALL of the turnover issues we had last year.. I think IJ was like 6th or 7th on the team in that department..
Get him in an offense where he can distrubte the ball to scores like Malik and sword which will lead to him getting more open shots..
And the notion that Tookie is already better than IJ is jumping the gun a lot. Hopefully he will come , and if he doesn't that tells me all I need to know about him... He isn't as good as advertised.. No way that kid wouldn't want to play for Coach Howland esp with the few offers he has.. And CBH may not really want him.. Who knows time will tell.
It's also funny all the hate IJ takes for being 5'10 and "supposedly" can't be play defense.. ( led team in steals) I think Tookie is about the same size...

[BullDog]

Tookie has potential to be the best PG ever at MSU. He shouldn't even be considered as a potential drop. Have you guys watched any games of his? He'd be our third best player the second he steps on campus.

Exactly! State fans are tough to digest! Extremely tough. Coach will be in home with tookie tomorrow.

[Dawg61]

if IJ stays and I'm pretty sure he will, a lot of you may be eating your words on the play of IJ... Everyone knows ALL of the turnover issues we had last year.. I think IJ was like 6th or 7th on the team in that department..
Get him in an offense where he can distrubte the ball to scores like Malik and sword which will lead to him getting more open shots..
And the notion that Tookie is already better than IJ is jumping the gun a lot. Hopefully he will come , and if he doesn't that tells me all I need to know about him... He isn't as good as advertised.. No way that kid wouldn't want to play for Coach Howland esp with the few offers he has.. And CBH may not really want him.. Who knows time will tell.
It's also funny all the hate IJ takes for being 5'10 and "supposedly" can't be play defense.. ( led team in steals) I think Tookie is about the same size...

Again with the IJ defense. I'm not fired up for Tookie's defense. I'm sure it's no worse than IJ's. Please do not regurgitate IJ Ready defensive stats.

[mic]

Again with the IJ defense. I'm not fired up for Tookie's defense. I'm sure it's no worse than IJ's. Please do not regurgitate IJ Ready defensive stats.

I'm just trying to follow you.. If IJ size was ur biggest issue Tookie is the same size..
I hope Tookie turns out to be Stephen Curry.. I am just saying lets pump the brakes on him a little..

[Brad Stevens]

I'm just trying to follow you.. If IJ size was ur biggest issue Tookie is the same size..
I hope Tookie turns out to be Stephen Curry.. I am just saying lets pump the brakes on him a little..

Except Stephen Curry is 6 foot 3.

I think most people see high school highlights and forget they will be playing against much bigger players at the D-1 level. Maybe Tookie does come in and succeed - I am just saying I have no proof of that based upon his opponents in his film. I personally would rather NOT have 2 sub-6-foot PGs.

[maroonmania]

Tookie is a stud, and he has far more potential than Dunlap. Dunlap will never be a PG, and he's too small to routinely play the 2, especially without great athleticism.

My only question on Tookie is whether he's big enough for what Howland wants at PG. But if he isn't big enough at the 1, then Dunlap certainly isn't big enough at the 2.

As others have said, though, I trust Howland.

For the life of me I don't know why anyone would want Dunlap over Tookie. Dunlap was questionable when we took him as an undersized shooting guard who played at a smaller MS HS. Tookie averaged 30 points/game at a mid-level GA HS and led his team to championships. The few games Dunlap played this year he looked somewhat lost on the court and didn't shoot the ball very well which was suppose to be his strength. They are both undersized but I don't see what Dunlap has shown that would make anyone want him over Tookie if they have actually seen Tookie play.

[smootness]

I just have a few comments based on several different posts in this thread.

I do not want Ready to go anywhere. I love Tookie's potential, but he is not better than Ready right now, at least in certain areas.

Tookie, however, is bigger than Ready. He's not taller than Ready, but he is definitely bigger.

Ready's defense is much better than a lot of State fans believe. Tookie played very good defense and gave great effort from what I saw of him.

Tookie's height is a real question mark. Of course he played against smaller players than he'll see on the next level, but that's true of everyone. He will be able to score in college basketball. He won't be able to do everything he currently does at the rim, but he will still do a lot of it. 3A in Georgia is far from a joke; there is plenty of quality there. Tookie would play a big role for us right away, especially if we don't get Newman.

Again, the only question on Tookie for me is if Howland is ok with a PG of that size. He may want a big guy to be able to defend more effectively.

[mic]

Except Stephen Curry is 6 foot 3.

I think most people see high school highlights and forget they will be playing against much bigger players at the D-1 level. Maybe Tookie does come in and succeed - I am just saying I have no proof of that based upon his opponents in his film. I personally would rather NOT have 2 sub-6-foot PGs.

Maybe I should have said the scorer that Steph Curry is..
I was aware that Steph isn't 5'10..

[Brad Stevens]

I guess my biggest thing is not that I'm opposed to a small PG; I just don't know if having two 5'10" PGs is what we really want. It seems that at least one of them would HAVE to go if we bring in Malik. And maybe I'm just too optimistic - but, I can see how all our current players and signees could succeed with Coach Howland, but we can't keep them all. Either way, Howland will work it out and I'm pumped to see the product on the court next year.

[msstate7]

This whole argument could be a complete waste of time considering Malik and kasongo aren't even commits at this point

[smootness]

I don't think you should base any decisions about the future roster on Newman.

If Newman comes and you drop Tookie, then in 2016 you have Ready as a Sr and no other PG. At least we have Weatherspoon and Simonds, who we should get back, at SG.

[Brad Stevens]

This whole argument could be a complete waste of time considering Malik and kasongo aren't even commits at this point

Haha, great point. Let's get back on topic. Has anyone heard any more news from the home visit?

[smootness]

This whole argument could be a complete waste of time considering Malik and kasongo aren't even commits at this point

Agreed.

I saw an article today listing out the reasoning for him picking UK, State, or LSU, and the case for LSU is still really strong. Newman was quoted, too, saying he wants to play with other great players, he wants to win, and he doesn't want to have to shoulder the load.

I know we have a strong pitch, too, but I think it's still far from a done deal.

[MabenMaroon]

Could somebody refresh my memory on this, but wasn't the reason IJ came to us in the first place, was because of a very close relationship between his father and one of our now 'former' asst, coaches?

[Jack Lambert]

Some people just ask things because they dont keep up with things as much as others. It's in no way a violation- Westbrook never attended Miss State

Sometimes they are trolls.

[ScottH]

Could somebody refresh my memory on this, but wasn't the reason IJ came to us in the first place, was because of a very close relationship between his father and one of our now 'former' asst, coaches?

I think he was coached by Wes Flanigan's father at Little Rock Parkview.

[Dawg61]

Could somebody refresh my memory on this, but wasn't the reason IJ came to us in the first place, was because of a very close relationship between his father and one of our now 'former' asst, coaches?

Ready is a good player. He's not bottom two on the team. We need Strugg's size with Roq leaving and Ware, Zuppardo, Fred and Daniels soon too. Ndoye is a wasted spot. He is one for sure. I think I'd drop Daniels. He's gone in a year anyways. Dunlap's ability to shoot and having four years left is more valuable than the one year left Daniels has. Tough choices. Gets much harder the better we get to force transition but it's a necessary evil to being good.

[smootness]

I think I'd drop Daniels. He's gone in a year anyways.

This is exactly why I don't want to drop any of the seniors. We get their spot open next year anyway, and it will be much easier to fill it with a quality player than scrambling around now.

I'd rather have a year to get as many good players as we can than to fill that spot with an Ndoye-type, or another Daniels, and be stuck with that for the next several years.

[Dawg61]

This is exactly why I don't want to drop any of the seniors. We get their spot open next year anyway, and it will be much easier to fill it with a quality player than scrambling around now.

I'd rather have a year to get as many good players as we can than to fill that spot with an Ndoye-type, or another Daniels, and be stuck with that for the next several years.

Newman and Kasongo aren't Ndoye-type.