Mercifully basketball season is over..............

[Liverpooldawg]

for our men's team. 13-19 record. Not much you can say.

[Tbonewannabe]

With the win by AU did we end up next to last in the SEC?

[msstate7]

With the win by AU did we end up next to last in the SEC?

Nah... These games have no bearing on final standings

[Coach34]

He's got 2 years left on his contract. Call Strick and pledge some money for the buyout- other than the big dogs getting Keenum a buyout- I dont see it happening

[Dawg61]

He's got 2 years left on his contract. Call Strick and pledge some money for the buyout- other than the big dogs getting Keenum a buyout- I dont see it happening

2 years? WTF?

[Coach34]

2 years? WTF?

yep- 2

[maroonmania]

He's got 2 years left on his contract. Call Strick and pledge some money for the buyout- other than the big dogs getting Keenum a buyout- I dont see it happening

Why would someone do that when the same guy that hired Ray is going to make the next hire.

[HailState39110]

It's all about ROI . If someone could sit down admin and show them how much more revenue the program could generate by replacing the head coach and excite the fanbase would be a better method to approach a needed change

[Rayburn8]

2 years? WTF?

Lol

[Tbone]

He's got 2 years left on his contract. Call Strick and pledge some money for the buyout- other than the big dogs getting Keenum a buyout- I dont see it happening

You and Stricklin should have to split the tab.

[preachermatt83]

Don't expect Rick Ray to be our coach next yr.

[Coach34]

You and Stricklin should have to split the tab.

I didnt hire that mf'er. I wanted Payne

[Coach34]

Don't expect Rick Ray to be our coach next yr.

gonna cost like 1.5MM I heard to make that happen

[preachermatt83]

gonna cost like 1.5MM I heard to make that happen

1mil.

[Goat from MSU]

The 2 years does this come from your head in the ass friend who works on campus. Where is the proof has to be public record or someone's ass is in hot water.
He's got 2 years left on his contract. Call Strick and pledge some money for the buyout- other than the big dogs getting Keenum a buyout- I dont see it happening

[preachermatt83]

I didnt hire that mf'er. I wanted Payne

so did I.

[Intramural All-American]

I didnt hire that mf'er. I wanted Payne

That would have been horrible, too. The Payne love was ridiculous, but in all honesty, we couldn't be much worse.

[confucius say]

for our men's team. 13-19 record. Not much you can say.

Where was Fred tonight? Suspended or hurt?

[Coach34]

That would have been horrible, too. The Payne love was ridiculous, but in all honesty, we couldn't be much worse.

We cant really say that it would or wouldnt- but it couldnt have been worse. I believe he would have recruited well enough to at least be more competitive

[Coach34]

The 2 years does this come from your head in the ass friend who works on campus. Where is the proof has to be public record or someone's ass is in hot water.

This comes from the athletic department

[shannondawg]

I noticed that Stricklin wasn't available for comment on the article on Ray and the administration believing in him.

[chef dixon]

The saddest part to me of this season is besides 2 or 3 conference games, we led by close to double figures at some point in pretty much all of them, usually in the first half....but even though we were able to play so tough in games, we sucked sooooooooo bad and it was clear to see when you watched us. I don't know where you go from here. Next year this core group wins us maybe 8-9 conference games is what I have to think, then 2016 sets up to be a really terrifying season. If players like Fred, Ware, and Daniels aren't passed up by younger players next year I'm going to be highly concerned.

[Dawg61]

Where was Fred tonight? Suspended or hurt?

Yea what's up with Fred

[Coach34]

1mil.

if its $1MM- then the big dogs need to get it done and force Keenum to make a move

[msstate7]

Yea what's up with Fred

Only played 9 mins vs mizzou. Either he pissed off ray in that game or got hurt

[BossDawg]

for our men's team. 13-19 record. Not much you can say.

Yup. Now it appears we're gonna have to sit through an equally painful baseball season. Unbelievable.

[msstate7]

if its $1MM- then the big dogs need to get it done and force Keenum to make a move

I got $20 on it**

[Coach34]

Yea what's up with Fred

I heard somewhere he missed practice and was suspended- cant say if that is valid or not

[Coach34]

I noticed that Stricklin wasn't available for comment on the article on Ray and the administration believing in him.

Call your boys and get them motivated- let's go. Make something happen

[tcdog70]

I heard somewhere he missed practice and was suspended- cant say if that is valid or not

I thought Ray didn't have problems with Players.

[Dawgface]

2 years? WTF?

Might as well right off basketball like a bad debt.

[I seen it dawg]

Exactly. Everybody whose been supporting forever and now has stopped can make the change happen. Don't sit on your wallets ****ers. You gave relentlessly before and now the program needs it again. Put your money where your bitching is.

[Coach34]

I thought Ray didn't have problems with Players.

he doesnt- he sat his ass

[Coach34]

Exactly. Everybody whose been supporting forever and now has stopped can make the change happen. Don't sit on your wallets ****ers. You gave relentlessly before and now the program needs it again. Put your money where your bitching is.

Exactly. Time for the Network to step up and get it done.

[Dawg61]

Exactly. Time for the Network to step up and get it done.

Gimme your top 5 wish list assuming the buyout is raised

[preachermatt83]

if its $1MM- then the big dogs need to get it done and force Keenum to make a move

don't expect Ray to keep his job

[bobcat91]

Actually I did even better. I cut my Bulldawg Club contribution to the bone. Money talks and when enough folks tell Scott that the time for excuses are over, then it will get done. If you keep pumping money to him and keep buying season tickets, then you keep getting this garbage on the court.

[preachermatt83]

Gimme your top 5 wish list assuming the buyout is raised

1.Eustachy
2. Eustachy
3. Eustachy
4. Eustachy
5. Prohm

[msstate7]

Gimme your top 5 wish list assuming the buyout is raised

1. Eustachy
2. Archie miller
3. Michael white

[Coach34]

Gimme your top 5 wish list assuming the buyout is raised

I would try to hire John Pelphrey and do what it took to bring in Robert Kirby or Butch Pierre as associate HC and recruiter.

[Coach34]

1.Eustachy
2. Eustachy
3. Eustachy
4. Eustachy
5. Prohm

He is waiting to be Bammer's next coach

[Dawg61]

Brad Underwood
Bobby Hurley
Hubert Davis
Bryce Drew
Steve Prohm
Archie Miller
Chris Jans
Ben Jacobson

There's eight quality names. No ****ing way all eight turn down 2 MM a year.

[Coach34]

Brad Underwood
Bobby Hurley
Hubert Davis
Bryce Drew
Steve Prohm
Archie Miller
Chris Jans
Ben Jacobson

There's eight quality names. No ****ing way all eight turn down 2 MM a year.

You can scratch off Hurley, Davis, Drew, and Prohm...no idea about the other 4

[Coach34]

I would be shocked if Archie Miller considered us. His next move is to a power school.

[C222]

Michael White
Andy Toole
Ben Jacobson
Steve Masiello
Brad Underwood

[Coach34]

Jacobson had coached in North Dakota and Iowa- dont see that as a good fit at all

[Coach34]

Michael White
Andy Toole
Ben Jacobson
Steve Masiello
Brad Underwood

Micheal White will not take the State job

[C222]

Micheal White will not take the State job

I agree. I think Jacobson would be #1 on my wish list.

[tcdog70]

he doesnt- he sat his ass

That worked out well, good strategy

[Dawg61]

You can scratch off Hurley, Davis, Drew, and Prohm...no idea about the other 4

You really think Hurley wants to sign an extension with Buffalo and Bryce Drew wants to stay at Valpo? 2 MM is way more than they're currently paid.

[Coach34]

That worked out well, good strategy

yep- totally agree

[Coach34]

You really think Hurley wants to sign an extension with Buffalo and Bryce Drew wants to stay at Valpo? 2 MM is way more than they're currently paid.

Hurley is not moving to Mississippi and Drew already had a chance to make 4 times more at State than he is making now- turned it down. Those 2 arent coming

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

We cant really say that it would or wouldnt- but it couldnt have been worse. I believe he would have recruited well enough to at least be more competitive

YOU wishing we hired a guy who would be a better recruiter, and can't say he if he would have been a better coach? Irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

[Dawg61]

Hurley is not moving to Mississippi and Drew already had a chance to make 4 times more at State than he is making now- turned it down. Those 2 arent coming

AD at Auburn wouldn't take no for an answer. Why should ours? We can get both of them.

[Bully13]

we like it bareback in hooops. .. starting to look the same way in baseball.. . why not try for the trifecta this fall?

[Political Hack]

if you can't hit an absolute HR with the hire, you get Payne to inject talent and bring basketball royalty to the doorstep of the Hump. However, you only do it if you have enough money for him and for some big time assistants... which you completely control the hiring process for. Payne can run a program. I don't know if he can coach on the floor, but he's been around the best so it's worth a shot. Also, if you control the assistant hiring you can bring it great X and O guys.

Right now that would be a HUGE upgrade over what we're doing.

[Coach34]

We can get both of them.

No we cant

[preachermatt83]

if you can't hit an absolute HR with the hire, you get Payne to inject talent and bring basketball royalty to the doorstep of the Hump. However, you only do it if you have enough money for him and for some big time assistants... which you completely control the hiring process for. Payne can run a program. I don't know if he can coach on the floor, but he's been around the best so it's worth a shot. Also, if you control the assistant hiring you can bring it great X and O guys.

Right now that would be a HUGE upgrade over what we're doing.

I am glad I am not the only one that feels this way. All of a sudden Kenny Payne is not good enough for us? What the crap. I don't know where ppl are coming from on this kind of stuff... Would he still be my first choice? NO, but he would certainly be an upgrade.

[mcdawg]

Only thing worse than Coach Ray's winning percentage was his suit tonight. $1m a year and he still wears an ugly 3 button suit with a horrible colored shirt. If he stays, please add a personal shopper to his contract. (And, he shouldn't stay in my opinion.)

[msstate7]

Would you gauge interest from Richard Williams as a safety net if top targets fall thru?

[preachermatt83]

Would you gauge interest from Richard Williams as a safety net if top targets fall thru?

I wouldn't, but that's just my opinion..

[curmudgeon]

Would you gauge interest from Richard Williams as a safety net if top targets fall thru?

Someone who hasn't coached in college basketball in nearly two decades?

I won't say it's not going to happen, but I will be shocked if Ray is let go this year. If he is, here are the legitimate names to get used to hearing

John Pelphrey, Florida assistant, former head coach at Arkansas and South Alabama. Head coaching record of 149-126, 2 NCAAT in nine years
Kermit Davis, Middle Tennessee, MSU alum. Head coaching record of 232-148. 3 NCAAT in 16 years.
Jeff Capel, Duke assistant, former head coach at VCU and Oklahoma, 96-69 in 9 years, 3 NCAAT

[Coach34]

John Pelphrey and a top recruiting asst like Kirby or Pierre would be a great hire for us...You'd have a guy that knows X's and O's plus a recruiter that knows State and recruiting the South

Also- people forget Pelphrey gifted a top 10 recruiting class to Mike Anderson when he left UPig

[msstate7]

John Pelphrey and a top recruiting asst like Kirby or Pierre would be a great hire for us...You'd have a guy that knows X's and O's plus a recruiter that knows State and recruiting the South

Would Kirby come here? If pastner is fired, he might

[Coach34]

Would Kirby come here? If pastner is fired, he might

For the right money he damn sure would. Kirby and Pierre are career assistants and they know it. They will follow the money and also be in demand because they are good recruiters and solid coaches

[RougeDawg]

At this point, no f*cking head coach is a better option than keeping ray as a head coach. He's stealing his entire paycheck from us every year and producing absolutely nothing. We could get the same zero production without a coach. If we hadn't gone full vag*na with the wallet last hire, we wouldn't be in this spot. Now we've had at least $3mil stolen from us and still have a dumpster fire raging inside the Hump.

I'd rather have C34 calling the Men's BBall shots than Ray. We could get him for a case of keystone a week and he could actually put his money where his mouth has been. Win win for everyone. Strick could save $999,000 a year and the Stands troll threads would cease from November through March.

[BankerDog]

So Coach let me get this straight...you wanted to fire the "Recruiter" and replace him with...a recruiter with no head coaching experience. That's logical..

[Dawgface]

So Coach let me get this straight...you wanted to fire the "Recruiter" and replace him with...a recruiter with no head coaching experience. That's logical..

Bury didn't have any head coaching experience either. But he ended up being our best bb coach ever. Maybe they could get us back to where we were with Stans. ;)

[msstate7]

Maybe Ray can hire stansbury as an assistant*

[notsofarawaydawg]

2 years? WTF?

Did I not see you wearing Texas A&M shit in Starkville the other day?

[BiscuitEater]

I didnt hire that mf'er. I wanted Payne

You were in 'panic mode' 3 years ago .. you were convinced State would make a BIG hire ..




Coach34
03/26/12 08:42 AM

and Dale- I can promise you ...
We're not about to hire Kenny F'ing Payne or Joe Dooley either


Coach34
03/27/12 10:46 AM

OK Strick- Groce is gone- I say we go the Kenny F'ing Payne route

Shaka has stars in his eyes- I get that
I dont know wtf is up with Marshall- I wish you would leak that because I'm curious
Illinois screwed us on Groce- that decision is understandable too

Let's go with the Payne

[BiscuitEater]

He's got 2 years left on his contract. Call Strick and pledge some money for the buyout- other than the big dogs getting Keenum a buyout- I dont see it happening

Gotta link? Or, is this another 'pull in out your butt' statement. Maximum ALLOWED by State law is 4 years. So, when exactly did Ray get an extension?

[HSVDawg]

if its $1MM- then the big dogs need to get it done and force Keenum to make a move

So based on these posts, the buyout is between $1 million and $1.5 million. Is that really all it is? Even at $1.5 mil, thats like half of what Croom's buyout was 7 years ago when we had FAR less money than we do now. That money could be easily raised in a heartbeat or, worst-case, pulled from somewhere else if Stricklin was dead set on making a change. Unfortunately, he doesn't appear to be of that mindset.

[BiscuitEater]

We cant really say that it would or wouldnt- but it couldnt have been worse. I believe he would have recruited well enough to at least be more competitive

Last year .. YOU said we would be competitive THIS year ...




02-27-2014, 08:54 AM #15 Coach34
Pied Piper

We're gonna go about 18-12 and 8-10 in the SEC probably-somewhere around that and Ray will get another year for sure. Another year of maturity and a full roster will do wonders for this team.

[Liverpooldawg]

The fact is that just like last time the names being bandied about here are probably pie in the sky. We are probably still to close too what we did last time to get an up and comer or an established coach. I hope I'm wrong but I think the next hire be it this year or the next will be a similar shot in the dark to Ray. Most of you don't remember but that is certainly what Richard Williams was and Stansbury was too to an extent. We aren't excatly the basketball Mecca we sometimes used to think we were.

[quickstrike2]

The fact is that just like last time the names being bandied about here are probably pie in the sky. We are probably still to close to what we did last time to get an up and comer or an established coach. I hope I'm wrong but I think the next hire be it this year or the next will be a similar shot in the dark to Ray. Most of you don't remember but that is certainly what Richard Williams was and Stansbury was too to and extent. We aren't excatly the basketball Mecca we sometimes used to think we were.

I mostly agree here. Probably can't hire any hot names, but I would like a little thought placed into deciding the up and and comer. If it came out that Scott drew the names of schools out of a hat and said we will pick their assistant I would believe it. How an unheard of, no experience, no ties to the south or the SEC, mediocre Clemson assistant got hired I will never know.

[HancockCountyDog]

I think the board should allow a day of bitching and hope that Ray gets fired today, if he doesn't - he won't be and we can just move on.

Thank God basketball season is over. What an absolute shit show.

[msstate7]

Thank God basketball season is over. What an absolute shit show.

Unfortunately baseball is starting to look that way too.

Basketball started 5-0 before losing 5 in a row.

Baseball started 13-0 and now we're 2-4 since.

This weekend could be a make or break for us imo. If we lose in the same fashion (no offense, bullpen trouble), this year could take a nose dive quickly

[HancockCountyDog]

Unfortunately baseball is starting to look that way too.

Basketball started 5-0 before losing 5 in a row.

Baseball started 13-0 and now we're 2-4 since.

This weekend could be a make or break for us imo. If we lose in the same fashion (no offense, bullpen trouble), this year could take a nose dive quickly

I have faith in Cohen to turn things around, worst case scenario we make a regional and don't make it out. We are at the point as a program where making a regional is a bad season. That is a good thing.

I just don't think we are as bad offensively as we have shown. If we are, you are right, we may be screwed, but I think we will be ok. I still think we take 2 of 3 this weekend, maybe even sweep. Bama is not good.

[msstate7]

I have faith in Cohen to turn things around, worst case scenario we make a regional and don't make it out. We are at the point as a program where making a regional is a bad season. That is a good thing.

I just don't think we are as bad offensively as we have shown. If we are, you are right, we may be screwed, but I think we will be ok. I still think we take 2 of 3 this weekend, maybe even sweep. Bama is not good.

I think we take 2 of 3 too, but we've lost to much worse teams lately.

[shannondawg]

Will Scott be saying that we evaluate the program at the end of every season when asked Ray's status? I could save him the trouble.

[dawgs]

1mil.

Whether $1M or $1.5M, that's peanuts for a major college athletics program. With a good hire, we'd make that much more in hot dog sales alone next year.

[Coach34]

Gotta link? Or, is this another 'pull in out your butt' statement. Maximum ALLOWED by State law is 4 years. So, when exactly did Ray get an extension?

After his 1st year

[Coach34]

Last year .. YOU said we would be competitive THIS year ...


We were competitive this year- we didn't close out some games and get the W's

i also had no idea our starting backcourt would have back surgery and cost us December victories

[Coach34]

Why we talking about A&M??? Just like most Stands teams he's associated with since LR left him- they are on the wrong side of the bubble

[Dawg61]

After his 1st year

Um no. That would be public knowledge and be reported. We wouldn't be totally in the dark about that after year 3. If we are then you can kiss SS's job goodbye. Ray is going to get SS fired.

[MadDawg]

Why we talking about A&M??? Just like most Stands teams he's associated with since LR left him- they are on the wrong side of the bubble

What side of the bubble are we on, coach?

[Dawgface]

What side of the bubble are we on, coach?

We are like one of those bubbles that comes out of your a$$ when having diarrhea.

[maroonmania]

The fact is that just like last time the names being bandied about here are probably pie in the sky. We are probably still to close too what we did last time to get an up and comer or an established coach. I hope I'm wrong but I think the next hire be it this year or the next will be a similar shot in the dark to Ray. Most of you don't remember but that is certainly what Richard Williams was and Stansbury was too to an extent. We aren't excatly the basketball Mecca we sometimes used to think we were.

Richard Williams was beyond a shot in the dark. He literally got the job because nobody not already on staff at MSU would take the job. Now it was a whole different situation when Stansbury got the job. The job was pretty attractive at that point as our fan support had risen exponentially and we were just a couple of years removed from a Final Four and Sweet Sixteen appearance.

[Dawg61]

We are like one of those bubbles that comes out of your a$$ when having diarrhea.

Haha

[Coach34]

Um no. That would be public knowledge and be reported. We wouldn't be totally in the dark about that after year 3. If we are then you can kiss SS's job goodbye. Ray is going to get SS fired.

I was told by someone that would absolutely know- Ray has 2 years left. Ask a beat writer to check it

And Strick ain't getting fired over Ray

[Dawg61]

I was told by someone that would absolutely know- Ray has 2 years left. Ask a beat writer to check it

And Strick ain't getting fired over Ray

Can we get someone to check on this today please. Gonna look really really bad C34 if SS was this stubborn and stupid to actually give the actuary another year. SS is actually HURTING our program worse than Stansbury ever did right now with this continued RR experience.

[codeDawg]

Reading between the lines, it sounds to me like Coach is implying that the money guys SS pissed off with the Ray hire are going to make him sleep in the bed he sh!t. Is that the long and the short of it?

[Goat from MSU]

Got to be public record it is state law.You need to produce the proof.
After his 1st year

[Coach34]

Got to be public record it is state law.You need to produce the proof.

I don't have to do shit. I'm passing along what I was told. Get a beat writer or someone to check.

If its 1.5 or 1MM to buy it out- if the people want to make it happen- they will. Once the money is raised- then they have to get on Keenum's ass to make it happen. I hope they do personally. 1-6 down the stretch doesnt cut it. Having Bloodman and Endo is your top 8 doesn't cut it in Y3.

[Goat from MSU]

You right you don't ,it is being reported on 24/7 that it was. All I can say this is a damn train wreak,you can spray perfume on a turd and after awhile it still smell like a turd.
I don't have to do shit. I'm passing along what I was told. Get a beat writer or someone to check.

If its 1.5 or 1MM to buy it out- if the people want to make it happen- they will. Once the money is raised- then they have to get on Keenum's ass to make it happen. I hope they do personally. 1-6 down the stretch doesnt cut it. Having Bloodman and Endo is your top 8 doesn't cut it in Y3.

[shannondawg]

Am looking forward to when season tickets come out , so I can vote. BDC contributions don't vote on a program.

However that may be redundant , as I already told Scott that.

One friend said he jumped Scott at one of the games, and gave him his thoughts, then turned right around and got on him about the reseating of new improved Dudy , doing in long time seat holders. I told him he just peed in the whiskey in doing that, cause Scott would lump in with all the other old timers that want the same ride they had and. that he lost him on the point about Ray.

[Dawg61]

I don't have to do shit. I'm passing along what I was told. Get a beat writer or someone to check.

If its 1.5 or 1MM to buy it out- if the people want to make it happen- they will. Once the money is raised- then they have to get on Keenum's ass to make it happen. I hope they do personally. 1-6 down the stretch doesnt cut it. Having Bloodman and Endo is your top 8 doesn't cut it in Y3.

Anddddddddddd FINALLY C34 is ready to cut bait. Here's a list of some potential replacements. All better than Ray imo.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball _coaches

[Coach34]

You right you don't ,it is being reported on 24/7 that it was. All I can say this is a damn train wreak,you can spray perfume on a turd and after awhile it still smell like a turd.

So 24/7 confirmed what I said last night about 2 years left on his contract? Good to know

[Barking 13]

at this point Anthony Grant is looking good...

[maroonmania]

I don't have to do shit. I'm passing along what I was told. Get a beat writer or someone to check.

If its 1.5 or 1MM to buy it out- if the people want to make it happen- they will. Once the money is raised- then they have to get on Keenum's ass to make it happen. I hope they do personally. 1-6 down the stretch doesnt cut it. Having Bloodman and Endo is your top 8 doesn't cut it in Y3.

Yep, with our weak finish down the stretch, even if we had beaten Ark. St, McNeese St., and SC Upstate back in December that everyone bitches about we would have STILL had an overall losing record against D1 teams at 15-16.