WKU Game 2 Thread

[Smitty]

Let's go!

[Smitty]

Heck
Brown
Collins
Rea
Hump
Gridley
Holland
DH spot
Robson

Great lineup! Now let them hit! Go Rooker if nobody on and 2 out in DH spot.. Michael Smith if we need a hit.

[Ralph]

Fire Coins!!!! Wait has game started yet?

[maroonmania]

Fire Coins!!!! Wait has game started yet?

No, but Cohen probably has all of our guys out doing bunting practice in pre-game warmups just to rile up Smitty.:)

[chef dixon]

Man. Paxton looks lost.

[Smitty]

Not a great start here.

Ross to the pen.

[JohnnyQuid]

Not an ideal start

[Smitty]

Bases loaded no outs.

[Ralph]

Bases loaded no outs.

what feed are you on?

[chef dixon]

I hate looking at this Ryan Church dude. Looks like he has some serious BO.

[Smitty]

Myles Gentry in.

[msstate7]

Ross pitched last tues, Friday, Sunday, and again today it seems. We're gonna have to have some relief guys step up

[Smitty]

what feed are you on?

Speed of light

[maroonmania]

I had a BAD feeling about today given what we had left to pitch. We are going to need to score a LOT.

[chef dixon]

We are also missing a guy like Bracewell for situations like today.

[Percho]

Watch espn

[Ralph]

Speed of light

apparently

[Dallas_Dawg]

Just turned it on. Did stover walk or give up hits?

[Smitty]

Ross in.

Literally speed of light Ralph. Fast as the action reaches 150 feet away

[Dallas_Dawg]

What?!? Why Mitchell already?

[msstate7]

I hate this move. I wanted Ross fresh on Friday.

[maroonmania]

Guess Stover is trying to increase his 81.00 ERA.

[chef dixon]

Just turned it on. Did stover walk or give up hits?

2 walks, 1 single. Ross coming in. Not sure why, Gentry was doing alright. 1 down, 1-2 count. runners on 2nd and 3rd

[Ralph]

Just turned it on. Did stover walk or give up hits?

2 walks 1 hit I believe. 12 pitches.

[JohnnyQuid]

Why burn up Mitchell again so early in this game? And thought myles is throwing ok. Don't really like this move

[Smitty]

Just turned it on. Did stover walk or give up hits?

Both

[maroonmania]

I hate this move. I wanted Ross fresh on Friday.

Hopefully he won't pitch long but we don't have a lot of options. I don't really like have 2 midweek games in front of SEC play.

[DFW Dawg]

Gave up one hit and exited with the bases loaded.

[Smitty]

Why burn up Mitchell again so early in this game? And thought myles is throwing ok. Don't really like this move

Lefty matchup. Ground ball arm. No better time to use him

[Percho]

Well I was going to ask for help in understanding all this pitching stuff, but I guess nobody really does understand.

[Smitty]

Damnit Ross!

Quit walking ****ers

[JohnnyQuid]

Lefty matchup. Ground ball arm. No better time to use him

That worked out perfectly****

[Smitty]

Nice!!!!

[chef dixon]

Lefty matchup. Ground ball arm. No better time to use him

He already built a 1-2 count. Had him off balance. Bad decision especially in the first inning you gotta get some use of what pitchers you have available.

[Percho]

Well it finely hit me. We need to throw away the science book and just play baseball.

[Smitty]

That worked out perfectly****

That did.

[JohnnyQuid]

That guy must be slow as hell

[Smitty]

Play for 5 runs here!

[msstate7]

I really don't want Ross pitching more than the next inning. Get everyone 1 inning

[Percho]

Well, it looks like the science book worked.

[Smitty]

**** yeah Seth

[JohnnyQuid]

Seth heck is a beast

[Smitty]

Damn John......

[JohnnyQuid]

Showing bunt. Really?

[bulldogcountry1]

Why don't we put our weakest hitter second? Seriously.

[Smitty]

Hahahahahahaha Cohen you idiot

BUNTFAIL!!!!

[JohnnyQuid]

*******it

[Percho]

I am glad

[JohnnyQuid]

If I'm Cody brown I'm getting pretty frustrated in being forced to sacrifice in first inning with man on and no outs both days

[Dallas_Dawg]

That proves will james right. Why in the f-uck would you do that with your best hitter in the first f-ucking inning?!? Against WKU?!?
Cohen just like Mullen likes to get too cute sometimes

[maroonmania]

I am on the bandwagon of complaining about the small ball crap. Bunting in the first inning and playing for one run in the first inning is just stupid.

[mparkerfd20]

F***ing Cohen and his stupid ass bunting.

[maroonmania]

F***ing Cohen and his stupid ass bunting.

I really don't understand it. Cohen is getting worse and worse about it and we are playing with a livelier ball now. I don't really understand what the heck he's thinking?

[bulldogcountry1]

Up until this season, I accepted it because we just didn't have the firepower, and we usually only needed 3-4 runs. This season is different. We are better at the plate, but our pen just isn't the same. 3-4 runs won't get it done.

I'm beyond tired of it.

[State82]

I am fast losing patience with this whole bunch.

[Smitty]

Cohen continues to cost us runs.

Our coach actively lessens our chance of winning.

[chef dixon]

What sucks in that particular situation is a lot of plays that aren't bunts advance the runner to 3rd anyway.

[99jc]

Cohen continues to cost us runs.

Our coach actively lessens our chance of winning.

I AGREE

[Bucky Dog]

So help me understand. Heck was on first or second to lead off? How did the bunt fail?

[Ralph]

nice pickoff

[chef dixon]

So help me understand. Heck was on first or second to lead off? How did the bunt fail?

Double. then pop up bunt

[Smitty]

So help me understand. Heck was on first or second to lead off? How did the bunt fail?

Heck lead off double

Brown pops up bunt

[Smitty]

What sucks in that particular situation is a lot of plays that aren't bunts advance the runner to 3rd anyway.

You don't need plays you need to hit

[bulldogcountry1]

What sucks in that particular situation is a lot of plays that aren't bunts advance the runner to 3rd anyway.

Exactly. You have to really screw it up to not score that run with 3 outs to work with...without sac bunting.

[Schultzy]

And they totally pitch around Rea to get to Hump. If we're going to stay with him at least move him down. And to clarify, I'm not ready to give up on that kind of power.

[Bucky Dog]

Are you ****ing kidding me?! We bunted in the bottom of the first, after a lead off double, with our 2-4 batters coming up with a chance to drive him???? Un freaking believable!!!!

[Smitty]

Are you ****ing kidding me?! We bunted in the bottom of the first, after a lead off double, with our 2-4 batters coming up with a chance to drive him???? Un freaking believable!!!!

Cohens ego

[mparkerfd20]

Are you ****ing kidding me?! We bunted in the bottom of the first, after a lead off double, with our 2-4 batters coming up with a chance to drive him???? Un freaking believable!!!!

That's exactly what that idiot, uh I mean Cohen, did.

[chef dixon]

How many times is our color dumbass going to say how great a nickname "The Maple Hammer" is?

[Bucky Dog]

That's exactly what that idiot, uh I mean Cohen, did.

Anyone who tries to argue against this has lost their mind as well. I would be pissed if I was a player getting the bat taken out of my hand all the time. I mean does Cohen think we have to win this game 3-2?!

[Smitty]

Ross has given up HARD contact lately

[starkvegasdawg]

I mean does Cohen think we have to win this game 3-2?!

He must be a fan of that Auburn game.

[smootness]

Anyone who tries to argue against this has lost their mind as well. I would be pissed if I was a player getting the bat taken out of my hand all the time. I mean does Cohen think we have to win this game 3-2?!

Yep. There is just no excuse for this level of stubbornness and ignorance.

I wish someone in the local media would have the stones to ask him about it.

[Smitty]

If we bunt with Collins here...

[Smitty]

Cleanup hitter squaring around in the 3rd

**** you Cohen

[smootness]

So I think literally the only way to get the bunting to stop is to get a lineup full of All-American power hitters.

[JohnnyQuid]

I seeing shit or is Wes Rea seriously squaring

[Smitty]

****!

[JohnnyQuid]

Damn reid.

[JohnnyQuid]

That's a mississippi state special right there. Man on 3rd less than 2 outs and just find a way to not score.

[starkvegasdawg]

Bunting is becoming baseball's version of 1b.

[Smitty]

Bunting is becoming baseball's version of 1b.

Perkins up the middle

[Bucky Dog]

Give me the quick synopsis of the bottom of that inning where we had our cleanup hitter bunting, and what did Reid do?

[JohnnyQuid]

Give me the quick synopsis of the bottom of that inning where we had our cleanup hitter bunting, and what did Reid do?

Rea ended up Not bunting as we double stole. Then rea single. Reid k swinging. Gridley hit into 6-4-3 DP

[Smitty]

Gotta thank their dumbasses twice

[Smitty]

Ross giving up hard contact

[maroonmania]

Our offense sucks ass! I just needed to say that.

[Dawgface]

Any score?

[Smitty]

Any score?

1-1

[maroonmania]

Our offense is so pathetic that we are going to have to burn Ross so he will barely pitch this weekend in the SEC to have any chance to win today.

[Bucky Dog]

If I'm up to date on live stats, this is where Rea should be swinging for the fence on that first strike. Man on first and two outs.

[Bucky Dog]

Come through Reid

[JohnnyQuid]

damn reid. Again. gotta move him down in the lineup at least

[Bucky Dog]

Dammit

[99jc]

damn reid. Again.

nm

[Smitty]

Vick in for Hump

[Smitty]

Ross getting hit

[JohnnyQuid]

Now bases jammed 1 out.

[Smitty]

0-2 count.

Houston in

[Coach34]

Vick in for Hump

Thank you Cohen for putting him out of his misery

[Percho]

basketball?

[maroonmania]

What's sickening is that these WKU pitchers we can't score against are all true freshmen and a sophomore.

[msstate7]

basketball?

36-34 state at half

[Smitty]

2-1

Sac fly

[Percho]

thanks

[Bucky Dog]

I might hit and run with two on and Robson at the plate.

[Smitty]

Remember we played for 1 in the first.

[Bucky Dog]

Remember we played for 1 in the first.

Good point

[Bucky Dog]

But you have a contact hitter and you get the runners going and that is aggressive baseball.

[Bucky Dog]

We suck

[maroonmania]

I really can't believe our offense is this bad. Runners on 1st and 2nd with 2 outs and full count on Heck and he strikes out on a fast ball right down the middle of the plate. We are going to end up being one of the weakest offensive teams in the SEC.

[Bothrops]

Gonna be a long season

[mparkerfd20]

This team and the style Cohen plays is boring as hell. We're gonna lose a lot of games this year

[preachermatt83]

this is a freaking embarrassment. I am so sick of leaving runners in scoring position. Is that something Cohen never mentions to his team, never works on.. Im sick of it.

[Bothrops]

This team and the style Cohen plays is boring as hell. We're gonna lose a lot of games this year

I agree. I hate small ball with a passion.

[Bothrops]

Watching these two games at the same time is enough to make a man throw up.

[preachermatt83]

pitiful

[msstate7]

What's worse -- cohens offense or Ray's?

[maroonmania]

Good Lord, Collins strikes out on a ball that's head high. What is wrong with this team?

[preachermatt83]

two outs, nobody one... one run game... swing for the fences Rea

[Smitty]

Offense/hitting is a huge issue!!! Hire a hitting coach.

[preachermatt83]

What's worse -- cohens offense or Ray's?

Rays

[preachermatt83]

Offense/hitting is a huge issue!!! Hire a hitting coach.

exactly... look at OM with Goodwin and without... Orvis is only hitting like 205 this year. ... Cohen's pride will never let him do it though...

[msstate7]

Rays

I agree, but cohen's closing the gap.

[Smitty]

At least Reid goes down swinging!!

Damn Vick

[Smitty]

exactly... look at OM with Goodwin and without... Orvis is only hitting like 205 this year. ... Cohen's pride will never let him do it though...

Mingione works with hitters the most. Cohens baby is fielding.

[preachermatt83]

right down the dang heart of the plate.. we are sickening.

[Bucky Dog]

Good Lord, Collins strikes out on a ball that's head high. What is wrong with this team?

Cohens philosophy messes with a lot of guys confidence. Bunting, small ball, taking pitches, shortening their stroke. We have to play ahead of the game not behind. Let the guys swing and get hits in bunches and score runs and that builds confidence.

[JohnnyQuid]

Their Friday guy making us look stupid. Embarrassing

[msstate7]

Cohens philosophy messes with a lot of guys confidence. Bunting, small ball, taking pitches, shortening their stroke. We have to play ahead of the game not behind. Let the guys swing and get hits in bunches and score runs and that builds confidence.

I really don't see why a top hitting prospect would want to play for us.

[Smitty]

You notice they aren't bunting their man over to 2nd here.

[preachermatt83]

Hey Smitty.... Check your PM.

[preachermatt83]

I agree, but cohen's closing the gap.

u sir are correct.

[preachermatt83]

if we burn our pen 2 days before the first SEC weekend and still lose to W Kentucky then im gonna lose it.

[Mjoelner34]

Cohens philosophy messes with a lot of guys confidence. Bunting, small ball, taking pitches, shortening their stroke. We have to play ahead of the game not behind. Let the guys swing and get hits in bunches and score runs and that builds confidence.

^^^THIS^^^ It's got to be hard to get into a rhythm at the plate when you're called on to bunt so much. Plus, the way our pitching and especially our bullpen have been lately, is giving up an out to play for 1 run really going to win the game or is it just going to mean we lose 6-4 instead of 6-3?

[Coach34]

Cohen needsto be flat out told bunting in the 1st inning is ******* stupid and we dont ever want to see that shit again

[Bucky Dog]

I really don't see why a top hitting prospect would want to play for us.

I hate to even start saying this out loud but you are correct!

[Bucky Dog]

Cohen needsto be flat out told bunting in the 1st inning is ******* stupid and we dont ever want to see that shit again

Does he have a call in show?

[preachermatt83]

could be the slowest paced game of the year

[preachermatt83]

if I were fitts id stick my foot up heck's butt

[preachermatt83]

heck of a play by Rea and Fitts

[JohnnyQuid]

Wheels coming off

[maroonmania]

Heck boots one to let them score the 3rd run. We literally suck in every phase.

[Smitty]

Cohen needsto be flat out told bunting in the 1st inning is ******* stupid and we dont ever want to see that shit again

Costs runs, games, hosting. That's been my problem you can't give a ****ing INCH when trying to be top 16!!!!

[JohnnyQuid]

1-10 with RISP. Terrible

[Smitty]

Cohenball.. Hitter development.. = EXPOSED

[maroonmania]

I'm in awe of how bad our offense is. Anybody primarily concerned about our bullpen is missing where the true problem is. Our pitching staff has had 2 bad innings this year. Our offense has sucked repeatedly since the first week was over.

[CJDAWG85]

How many runners have we left on base?

[Smitty]

They've given us an inning worth of outs on the base paths

[Bully13]

anybody who thinks we are a top 35 team is fooling themselves.

nice place to be when considering our future facilities, attendance records, what we pay our head coach, recruiting , our overall history and all and here we are.

lost to a 17ing SWAC team at home, lost 2 of 3 to a team coming in with a losing record, squeaked out an extra inning against WKU and now we're getting ready to lose to them tonight.

those who speak of hosting at this point are delusional . those who think this is acceptable are sheep. we are not being led. cohen has lost his way. he is not developing the talent. he is not coaching at the level this program deserves. we have way to many advantages to be witnessing this bullshit.

[Smitty]

I'm in awe of how bad our offense is. Anybody primarily concerned about our bullpen is missing where the true problem is. Our pitching staff has had 2 bad innings this year. Our offense has sucked repeatedly since the first week was over.

B-b-b-but we lead the league in runs says Todd

Anyone can beat up on Bullshit teams. We. Can't. Hit. And our coach further handcuffs us.

It's 2012 all over again. With a worse pen.

[maroonmania]

On the positive side, basketball season is finally over!!!!

[Smitty]

Robson walks

[Tbonewannabe]

My biggest problem is we seem to rely on walks. Against good pitchers that fill the strike zone we struggle. It is like we have a very passive approach at the plate.

[maroonmania]

B-b-b-but we lead the league in runs says Todd

Anyone can beat up on Bullshit teams. We. Can't. Hit. And our coach further handcuffs us.

It's 2012 all over again. With a worse pen.

Well, let us play against pitchers who can't throw strikes or hits us and a defense that can't make routine plays and our offense is awesome.

[RougeDawg]

exactly... look at OM with Goodwin and without... Orvis is only hitting like 205 this year. ... Cohen's pride will never let him do it though...

Bullshit!!! This is blasphemy!!!!!** where are all the clowns who have been bashing me for 2-3 years for saying this exact same thing?

It's been an issue from day one. Just so happens the year we made the CWS run we had two players, Renfroe and Frazier, who had their swings developed away from Starkville, and they carried us. I've been stressing how our swings differ from those offenses that put up nice numbers. I've also stressed how lost we look at the plate and how apathetic our hitting approaches are. This is college baseball. Every team has a scouting report of every hitter and pitcher on every team we play. We should know what every other pitcher is going to attempt to do to each one of our hitters in each type of situation. We should know our opponents tendencies on the mound, at the plate, and on the base paths. It's not very difficult to study a scouting report and make adjustments in the game.

Which brings me back to one of my initial arguments with our Cohen coached teams. Do we not stress scouting reports from a coaching standpoint or do our players not take them seriously? An easy way to tell if we are looking at scouting reports is the 2nd time through our lineup vs a starting pitcher. We should have him figured out by our 6-7th batter and if he's following the scouting report or changing it up for the game. Most college teams have a dedicated person tracking every pitch for each ab and he's composing the tendencies for that game compared to The scouting report and relaying to each hitter as they go up to bat. Even to someone in the stands, you can easily tell what a pitcher is doing by inning 3-4 if you pay attention to the pitches and situations. I've never seen us make in game adjustments and start pounding a pitcher the 2nd time through lineup, and I have yet to get any answers.

Something has to change. And these swings with our hands getting away from the body will continue to be slap hitters.

[Drugdog]

I'm at a loss. Purely pitiful. Bunting in the first inning. We watch pitches down the middle, yet swing at everything down and away.
This is not going to help the fund raising effort.
I believe just my opinion, Cohen is not going to change his philosophy in any manner.
Announcers said sacrificed were down 13% nationally. NOT with us.
The baseball was changed to help offense but we are playing like it was last year.

Football can't get here fast enough.

[maroonmania]

Huge call by the ump there on what looked like Ball 4 low against Heck.

[Smitty]

Hard outs

[Bully13]

we can't even beat Western Kentucky.. at home. what a 17ing joke.

[Bully13]

why be surprised? we can't beat SWAC teams either. what a 17ing joke. we are the joke of collegiate baseball. nice spot to be in.

[Bully13]

now I know what notre dame fans feel like when they lose to Navy and Air Force.

[Bothrops]

Yeah we're in trouble with this small ball shit. What's worse I'd we're stuck with it.

[Coach34]

Our top 3 hitters were 2 for 13...you're not going to win games with that

[maroonmania]

we can't even beat Western Kentucky.. at home. what a 17ing joke.

Very fortunate they didn't beat us both games.

[starkvegasdawg]

Is it football season yet?

[Bully13]

Our top 3 hitters were 2 for 13...you're not going to win games with that

no shit dick tracey.

[maroonmania]

Yeah we're in trouble with this small ball shit. What's worse I'd we're stuck with it.

Is Cohen just mind-fricked by Dudy Noble Field? His teams at KY sure didn't play this kind of small ball crap.

[msstate7]

Is Cohen just mind-fricked by Dudy Noble Field? His teams at KY sure didn't play this kind of small ball crap.

Our opponents don't seem to have trouble hitting hr's

[Coach34]

no shit dick tracey.

**** off. Just discussing the game and problems. Those 3 guys lead your team and if they dont hit? You're ****ed

[Tbonewannabe]

I guess we now know why we pulled out of that tournament. We are hosting anything this year. We will be a 3 seed somewhere if we are lucky. We don't have the pitching to compensate for our shitty hitting.

[Smitty]

Huge. ****ing. Problems. On offense.

Development... In-game... Pitiful

[Todd4State]

Is Cohen just mind-fricked by Dudy Noble Field? His teams at KY sure didn't play this kind of small ball crap.

Actually, they did. They hit a lot more home runs because their ballpark is significantly smaller. Their pitching was worse than ours though for the same reason.

[cbrunt29]

It's been a tough few months to be a dawg.

Disappointing finish to the football season, basketball team sucks ass, and the baseball team struggling against easy teams (even though it's a long season)

Badly need to win this weekend's series

[JohnnyQuid]

3.5 hr game that scores 4 runs total. thats some boring baseball.

[Bothrops]

Yeah I think Kentucky is a hitter friendly park.

[Todd4State]

Huge. ****ing. Problems. On offense.

Development... In-game... Pitiful

We played this game more like what you wanted- very little small ball things. We get shut out if we don't pull off that double steal.

[preachermatt83]

the last week has been an embarrassment and Cohen should be embarrassed. But he will not take blame for it.

[maroonmania]

I guess we now know why we pulled out of that tournament. We are hosting anything this year. We will be a 3 seed somewhere if we are lucky. We don't have the pitching to compensate for our shitty hitting.

Actually, our pitching has been pretty rock solid the whole season outside of 2 innings. Now that may not hold up when we hit SEC competition.

[Todd4State]

It's been a tough few months to be a dawg.

Disappointing finish to the football season, basketball team sucks ass, and the baseball team struggling against easy teams (even though it's a long season)

Badly need to win this weekend's series

You are right that it's a long season. We are just now getting all of our power guys back, so I think the offense is going to pick up some. I think the starting rotation has looked pretty good overall, and tonight I thought the bullpen was better. We allowed a run on an error, a ground out, and a sac fly.

[Bucky Dog]

Does Cohen have a call in show?

[Smitty]

We played this game more like what you wanted- very little small ball things. We get shut out if we don't pull off that double steal.

Are you ****ing joking

1st inning.

[preachermatt83]

Does Cohen have a call in show?

not until SEC play starts, so I guess next week.. .but they screen those things something serious.

[Todd4State]

Are you ****ing joking

1st inning.

That and the double steal were the only small ball things we did. If we get the bunt down, that would have been a run as well. The rest of the time we swung away. You see the results.

[Bully13]

we simply do not have any coaching development on hitting and getting runs across the plate. we are at a total loss at this point. benching someone due to a base running blunder shows we have a ****E attitude at the helm. not looking at the mirror vs blaming an individual youngster who is looking for direction. way to go ****HOEN. you 17ing PUSSE!!!!

coach your 17ing team. don't be a 17ing CROOMS.....coach your 17ing players.. be a MAN!!! be a LEADER!!!! don''t be a 17ing CNT!!~!!

[Todd4State]

not until SEC play starts, so I guess next week.. .but they screen those things something serious.

Buffalo Wild Wings in Starkville?

[Todd4State]

we simply do not have any coaching development on hitting and getting runs across the plate. we are at a total loss at this point. benching someone due to a base running blunder shows we have a ****E attitude at the helm. not looking at the mirror vs blaming an individual youngster who is looking for direction. way to go ****HOEN. you 17ing PUSSE!!!!

coach your 17ing team. don't be a 17ing CROOMS.....coach your 17ing players.. be a MAN!!! be a LEADER!!!! don''t be a 17ing CNT!!~!!

I wonder why you have "detriment" on your profile?

[Smitty]

That and the double steal were the only small ball things we did. If we get the bunt down, that would have been a run as well. The rest of the time we swung away. You see the results.

We wasted the inning which produces the most runs!!

You would have us give away outs on an already shitty developed offensive club? That's what you don't get!!! It hurts bad offense WORSE! See 2012!

[Smitty]

It's a MYTH that "bad hitting teams must manufacture runs by bunting"

Giving away outs HURT bad hitting teams MORE! You can take more risks stealing with bad offenses buy the GIVING AWAY OUTS part hurts worse!

[I seen it dawg]

It's a MYTH that "bad hitting teams must manufacture runs by bunting"

Giving away outs HURT bad hitting teams MORE! You can take more risks stealing with bad offenses buy the GIVING AWAY OUTS part hurts worse!

Stop yelling asshole

[Todd4State]

We wasted the inning which produces the most runs!!

You would have us give away outs on an already shitty developed offensive club? That's what you don't get!!! It hurts bad offense WORSE! See 2012!

2012? You mean the year we won the SEC Tournament? Good example.

[Todd4State]

It's a MYTH that "bad hitting teams must manufacture runs by bunting"

Giving away outs HURT bad hitting teams MORE! You can take more risks stealing with bad offenses buy the GIVING AWAY OUTS part hurts worse!

If you had a clue, you would know that the problem is we need to get Gavin Collins going. That probably isn't far away thankfully.

And we're not a "bad hitting" team. We're well in the top third of the country in hitting categories- which you should have learned today. Don't make me "put words in your mouth" again.

[Smitty]

2012? You mean the year we won the SEC Tournament? Good example.

You are clueless.

Yes those sec tournaments are so freaking meaningful.

Todd gonna Todd. I believe you said the pen was the issue not the offense. You. Are. Wrong. Again

[Smitty]

If you had a clue, you would know that the problem is we need to get Gavin Collins going. That probably isn't far away thankfully.

And we're not a "bad hitting" team. We're well in the top third of the country in hitting categories- which you should have learned today. Don't make me "put words in your mouth" again.

1. Yes that's our only problem, one hitter*******

2. We beat up on shit teams. Lord you are willfully blind. We can't hit. We never can. Development is horrid. We waste talent like Hump. Our in game is horrible.

[mparkerfd20]

we simply do not have any coaching development on hitting and getting runs across the plate. we are at a total loss at this point. benching someone due to a base running blunder shows we have a ****E attitude at the helm. not looking at the mirror vs blaming an individual youngster who is looking for direction. way to go ****HOEN. you 17ing PUSSE!!!!

coach your 17ing team. don't be a 17ing CROOMS.....coach your 17ing players.. be a MAN!!! be a LEADER!!!! don''t be a 17ing CNT!!~!!

When did u start reading minds? Scary

[Todd4State]

You are clueless.

Yes those sec tournaments are so freaking meaningful.

Todd gonna Todd. I believe you said the pen was the issue not the offense. You. Are. Wrong. Again

Point is bad hitting teams don't win the SEC Tournament. Only MSU fans belittle their own schools accomplishments in a desperate attempt to make themselves not look stupid. I guess going to Omaha wasn't really that big of an accomplishment either is going to be your next comeback.

If you had a clue about baseball, you would know that it's a long season and that issues can come and go throughout the season. When we blow a 6 run and then a 4 run lead- that is on the bullpen. You of course blame it on a bunt- despite the fact that we lead the SEC in runs scored without our best hitter, all the while trying to belittle Arizona and San Diego on our schedule. I've also said that I was happy with the bullpen tonight- and I am glad that they appear to be sorting things out. If I had to guess, more than likely what happened with the pen was likely a hiccup than anything based on the overall performance on the season.

[Bucky Dog]

I said it 2-3 pages ago but my belief is Cohen's philosophy is what creates our offensive woes. Bunting too often, taking pitches, shortening swings even on guys who can crank it. Plus his whole twisting and turning and toying with th lineup creates a greater sense of uncertainty in baseball.
Playing baseball is about getting in a rhythm, knowing you are going to be playing daily, who is going to be turning two with you, or catching you ,or batting in front of or behind you. What Cohen is doing IMO leads to the lack of consistency and added pressure in the clutch situations because they almost feel it is do or die. You think Hump has any confidence right now? Yeah he struck out twice with RISP today but then got yanked for Vick. A guy like Reid just needs to work through it because he does have great potential, I know C34 won't like that, but that's baseball. If you are pressing then you are worthless. But if you have your coaches confidence and support and you are allowed to have some success it will grow tenfold.

[Todd4State]

1. Yes that's our only problem, one hitter*******

2. We beat up on shit teams. Lord you are willfully blind. We can't hit. We never can. Development is horrid. We waste talent like Hump. Our in game is horrible.

1. So, you don't think taking your best hitter out of the lineup will affect production? Ask Bill James about that.

2. Arizona twice that is 15-4 right now and on an 8-2 run with the two losses being against us, and a San Diego team that we should have won the series from are not bad teams and won a series at Texas prior to coming to Starkville. You are bitching about an offense that is in the top 25 in scoring runs and was the tops in the SEC coming into tonight- because you think we "bunt too much".

I sure am pissed off that we wasted the talents of Hunter Renfroe, Adam Frazier, Brett Pirtle, Jarrod Parks, Nick Vickerson- not to mention the fact that Gavin Collins is likely to be a top five round pick next year.

Sure appears as if I am the one who is willfully blind.**

[Todd4State]

I said it 2-3 pages ago but my belief is Cohen's philosophy is what creates our offensive woes. Bunting too often, taking pitches, shortening swings even on guys who can crank it. Plus his whole twisting and turning and toying with th lineup creates a greater sense of uncertainty in baseball.
Playing baseball is about getting in a rhythm, knowing you are going to be playing daily, who is going to be turning two with you, or catching you ,or batting in front of or behind you. What Cohen is doing IMO leads to the lack of consistency and added pressure in the clutch situations because they almost feel it is do or die. You think Hump has any confidence right now? Yeah he struck out twice with RISP today but then got yanked for Vick. A guy like Reid just needs to work through it because he does have great potential, I know C34 won't like that, but that's baseball. If you are pressing then you are worthless. But if you have your coaches confidence and support and you are allowed to have some success it will grow tenfold.

I'm not 100% sure that Humphreys is totally healthy right now after getting hit by that pitch last night. I'm not saying that you are wrong about him- just that I wouldn't be surprised if that was why he was taken out.

Long swings usually = more strike outs. This may sound counterintuitive to you, but if Humphreys shortened up his swing, he would become a better hitter and actually end up hitting for more power.

As far as taking too many pitches- the problem is taking too many good pitches. When you get a good pitch to hit, you have to attack it. That's strike zone discipline.

[shoeless joe]

I'm not 100% sure that Humphreys is totally healthy right now after getting hit by that pitch last night. I'm not saying that you are wrong about him- just that I wouldn't be surprised if that was why he was taken out.

Long swings usually = more strike outs. This may sound counterintuitive to you, but if Humphreys shortened up his swing, he would become a better hitter and actually end up hitting for more power.

As far as taking too many pitches- the problem is taking too many good pitches. When you get a good pitch to hit, you have to attack it. That's strike zone discipline.

This is a good post.

I do believe we play small ball a little too much. And take too many fastballs when we should be aggressive. But long swings and chasing off speed down is not coaching. We have some talented guys that need experience in order to reach their potential. It's a long season. We beat up on some sub par teams and played fairly well against some decent teams. Gotta hope we play well this weekend while at the same time realizing that the SEC slate is 30 games. Baseball is not football or basketball.

[Smitty]

But long swings and chasing off speed down is not coaching.

Eh? It all goes back to coaching and philosophy. Our two-strike hitting has always been atrocious. Our philosophy of working pitch counts is now leading to a lot of getting behind in counts, as teams adjust to our philosophy. Long swings not coaching?? They don't work on those?

[shoeless joe]

Eh? It all goes back to coaching and philosophy. Our two-strike hitting has always been atrocious. Our philosophy of working pitch counts is now leading to a lot of getting behind in counts, as teams adjust to our philosophy. Long swings not coaching?? They don't work on those?

I agree on working counts...we need to be aggressive on fastballs. I am 100% positive that our players are not coached to swing at breaking balls out of the zone.

[Smitty]

I agree on working counts...we need to be aggressive on fastballs. I am 100% positive that our players are not coached to swing at breaking balls out of the zone.

They aren't coached to specifically do that but you have to EXPECT breaking balls in the dirt with 2 strikes and adjust to anything else. We aren't teaching a proper approach with 2 strikes obviously because we've had the same issues for years on this.

[I seen it dawg]

They aren't coached to specifically do that but you have to EXPECT breaking balls in the dirt with 2 strikes and adjust to anything else. We aren't teaching a proper approach with 2 strikes obviously because we've had the same issues for years on this.

Give it up. You're limited in your knowledge of the game because you didn't play. You keep hitting the same wall and the fact you are such an obtuse novice will never allow you to get over it.

[Smitty]

Give it up. You're limited in your knowledge of the game because you didn't play. You keep hitting the same wall and the fact you are such an obtuse novice will never allow you to get over it.

So, you are supposed to swing at curveballs in the dirt?

You're embarrassing yourself.

[I seen it dawg]

So, you are supposed to swing at curveballs in the dirt?

You're embarrassing yourself.


Yeah that's exactly what we should do. No matter how much you type words it won't make up for the fact your vast knowledge of baseball simply comes from books and stats. Makes you a rank amateur as far as having real discussions about baseball.

[Smitty]

Yeah that's exactly what we should do. No matter how much you type words it won't make up for the fact your vast knowledge of baseball simply comes from books and stats. Makes you a rank amateur as far as having real discussions about baseball.

Haha well if thats truly all I know how baseball illiterate must you be if you can't even grasp that! You may be right though, our problems aren't mechanics, philosophy, approach.. No our problem is "we need to grow some nutzzzz". Yes ISID, our lack of nuts is the only problem***

Thats funny you keep using that line though about books and stats, I guess whatever makes you feel better bud.

[I seen it dawg]

Haha well if thats truly all I know how baseball illiterate must you be if you can't even grasp that!

Thats funny you keep using that though, I guess whatever makes you feel better bud.

I would love to have the chance to take the same 25 man roster that you have and coach against each other for 100 games. Baseball is a long season and over 100 games things would level out to our coaching skills as far as the results in win/loss. I would beat you 100 out of 100 times without a doubt. There's no metric that would save you when you finally would have to subject yourself to an actual game and not just rant about bunts and lack of offense. You would actually have to pitch someone beside Brown and figure out how to deal with an actual complete staff every day. It would be comical watching you have to deal with that.

And I would bunt and hit and run my ass off game after game just to watch you throw your bookbag and calculator.

[Smitty]

I would love to have the chance to take the same 25 man roster that you have and coach against each other for 100 games. Baseball is a long season and over 100 games things would level out to our coaching skills as far as the results in win/loss. I would beat you 100 out of 100 times without a doubt.

Wow if you really think the manager matters THAT much where you could actually pull off 100/100 with even teams.

I'd say 53-47 in my favor though.

[I seen it dawg]

Wow if you really think the manager matters THAT much where you could actually pull off 100/100 with even teams.

I'd say 53-47 in my favor though.

You wouldn't win 53 games if we played 100,000

[shoeless joe]

They aren't coached to specifically do that but you have to EXPECT breaking balls in the dirt with 2 strikes and adjust to anything else. We aren't teaching a proper approach with 2 strikes obviously because we've had the same issues for years on this.

This says a lot...

As a hitter you NEVER look off speed and then adjust. It's impossible. That approach is how you get caught looking at a FB belt high down the middle for strike three. You 100% have to look fastball and adjust to off speed. Which is done by keeping your hands back and letting the ball travel vs jumping out and trying to hit the ball out front. Very telling post...

[I seen it dawg]

This says a lot...

As a hitter you NEVER look off speed and then adjust. It's impossible. That approach is how you get caught looking at a FB belt high down the middle for strike three. You 100% have to look fastball and adjust to off speed. Which is done by keeping your hands back and letting the ball travel vs jumping out and trying to hit the ball out front. Very telling post...

B..b..b..b..b..but....

[I seen it dawg]

Wow if you really think the manager matters THAT much where you could actually pull off 100/100 with even teams.

I'd say 53-47 in my favor though.


That's the whole point of having even teams. It would be strictly on how you managed them and put them in situations and what you chose to do in those situations. How they were coached and managed would tell the tale. Yeah 100 out of 100 seems pretty accurate.

[Smitty]

This says a lot...

As a hitter you NEVER look off speed and then adjust. It's impossible. That approach is how you get caught looking at a FB belt high down the middle for strike three. You 100% have to look fastball and adjust to off speed. Which is done by keeping your hands back and letting the ball travel vs jumping out and trying to hit the ball out front. Very telling post...

Not with two strikes. You adjust to the fastball and hit it oppo with two strikes. You NEVER get fooled on a curve in the dirt, because you expect it.

That says a lot though I Seen It... Very telling.

[shoeless joe]

Not with two strikes. You adjust to the fastball and hit it oppo with two strikes. You NEVER get fooled on a curve in the dirt, because you expect it.

That says a lot though I Seen It... Very telling.

So you are saying "look ball and adjust to a strike"?

Please find somewhere where an actual coach above little league says this is the correct approach...please. If that is the approach then that hitter will never get a hit with 2 strikes. In fact a 2 strike approach is the opposite of what you are saying: you have to be extra aggressive and protect the plate, which is why batters chase more with 2 strikes than any other time. The answer for a hitter is to stay back; keep hands back, and shorten their swing and let the ball "get deep".

[Dallas_Dawg]

Why don't yall just block each other and move on with life? We get it, Yall disagree and don't like each other. Stfu

[Smitty]

So you are saying "look ball and adjust to a strike"?

Please find somewhere where an actual coach above little league says this is the correct approach...please. If that is the approach then that hitter will never get a hit with 2 strikes. In fact a 2 strike approach is the opposite of what you are saying: you have to be extra aggressive and protect the plate, which is why batters chase more with 2 strikes than any other time. The answer for a hitter is to stay back; keep hands back, and shorten their swing and let the ball "get deep".

Where is look ball coming from? You adjust to the fastball with two strikes and hit it oppo. You don't "look ball" that's absurd. You look off-speed and adjust to fastball, hitting it oppo.

[shoeless joe]

Where is look ball coming from? You adjust to the fastball with two strikes and hit it oppo. You don't "look ball" that's absurd. You look off-speed and adjust to fastball, hitting it oppo.

What's funny is that part of what you are saying is the same thing I am saying but you don't understand it enough to realize.

But what you are saying that is wrong is to look off speed with 2 strikes. You can't do it and be successful. Please go find somebody that has hit against someone with an 85+ fastball and a good off speed hook and ask them if it is possible to look for the curve and adjust UP to a FB. the only thing you can do is keep your hands back and adjust down to a curve. That's it. That's how you hit.

I'm not going to respond to your response because there's nothing else I can say about this.

[I seen it dawg]

What's funny is that part of what you are saying is the same thing I am saying but you don't understand it enough to realize.

But what you are saying that is wrong is to look off speed with 2 strikes. You can't do it and be successful. Please go find somebody that has hit against someone with an 85+ fastball and a good off speed hook and ask them if it is possible to look for the curve and adjust UP to a FB. the only thing you can do is keep your hands back and adjust down to a curve. That's it. That's how you hit.

I'm not going to respond to your response because there's nothing else I can say about this.

It goes back to never actually playing.

[I seen it dawg]

Why don't yall just block each other and move on with life? We get it, Yall disagree and don't like each other. Stfu

You don't like it don't read it. You stfu.

[I seen it dawg]

Not with two strikes. You adjust to the fastball and hit it oppo with two strikes. You NEVER get fooled on a curve in the dirt, because you expect it.

That says a lot though I Seen It... Very telling.

You are finally 100% correct and I agree totally. It absolutely sums up everything I've been saying about both of your message board personas. Well three if you count berr.

You look breaking stuff on 2 strikes and adjust to fastball.....ok.

[Bubb Rubb]

You are finally 100% correct and I agree totally. It absolutely sums up everything I've been saying about both of your message board personas. Well three if you count berr.

You look breaking stuff on 2 strikes and adjust to fastball.....ok.

I'm just now reading all this and I have a question for smitty. If a guy is throwing 95 mph gas, how are you supposed to look curve and adjust to the fastball? You don't have time to adjust to the fastball.

You shorten up and protect. Look fastball. Adjust to the change. If it's a curve, hope you can get a piece and fight it off. Or just spit on it because it's usually going to be in the dirt.

I don't understand his argument.

[Smitty]

It goes back to never actually playing.

Whatever makes you sleep at night.

[Smitty]

I'm just now reading all this and I have a question for smitty. If a guy is throwing 95 mph gas, how are you supposed to look curve and adjust to the fastball? You don't have time to adjust to the fastball. .

Yes, you do... Not difficult. You are already shortened up and throw your hands at the ball sending it the other way or fouling it off.

Obviously there's a difference in 0-2 and 3-2 and what the guy has shown from his pitches but my approach means you aren't fooled on the off speed stuff in off speed counts. It's very logical.

[Bubb Rubb]

Yes, you do... Not difficult. You are already shortened up and throw your hands at the ball sending it the other way or fouling it off.

Obviously there's a difference in 0-2 and 3-2 and what the guy has shown from his pitches but my approach means you aren't fooled on the off speed stuff in off speed counts. It's very logical.

It's not at all. If you are looking off-speed, you aren't going to have time to fight it off the other way. And if he busts you in, you run the risk of getting yourself hurt. Run your approach by any high school player or coach and see what they think. After they stop laughing, they'll probably set you straight.