State v Ole Missus game thread

[Coach34]

C'mon Ray- get those ****ers ready to play tonight and let's get another big win.

[TheRef]

Standing at the student portal right now. About 30 here with 10 minutes until gates open.

[msstate7]

Any word on black?

[TheRef]

Snoop White is the first Rebel on the floor.

Gavin hit 9-13 from beyond the arc, including 7 straight right in front of the students.

[TheRef]

Also, looks like we are wearing the cream throwbacks tonight. We are 1-1 in these.

[Coach34]

Black warming up?

[It_Could_Happen]

Shame on the alumni. Student section is full including the upper deck.

[klong-dog]

OM has been tough on the road. Unfortunately I don't see Sword going off like he did at Oxford last month, but then hopefully we won't get beat at the FT line 37 to 11 again. Shouldn't be the case at home. OM 73-65. Hope I'm wrong!

[drummerdawg]

Shame on the alumni. Student section is full including the upper deck.

A friend just sent me a picture and it looks pretty bad.

[JohnnyQuid]

Shame on the alumni. Student section is full including the upper deck.

well students stay on campus should be that way every game. Can't compare that to people driving 2-3 hours or more each way in 20 degree weather for 8 pm tip on weeknight. Just sayin'

[Liverpooldawg]

Gonna be a great student crowd. The rest quite frankly sucks. It's embarassing. I'm as dusgruntled as anyone over the last 4 years but this is a big game for Rick Ray. I decided to get myself here. To bad few others did. Again great job students!

[Todd4State]

Here's a new rule that they should make- show up for Ole Miss or your seats go up for sale.

[preachermatt83]

just a question... Croom's final game against OM.. the 45-0 game... Knowing that's what it would take to get Croom gone, were you really upset about the loss? Just an honest question.

[confucius say]

I took the six points. Let's roll. Attack the basket.

[msstate7]

Where has that Daniels been?

[Liverpooldawg]

Crowd filled in some. Still a lot of vacant seats except in the student section

[Liverpooldawg]

just a question... Croom's final game against OM.. the 45-0 game... Knowing that's what it would take to get Croom gone, were you really upset about the loss? Just an honest question.

Hell yes I was upset.

[msstate7]

Time to get ready in the game. Our offense is terrible without him

[starkvegasdawg]

With the number of times we've thrown the ball to empty air we may need to test the team for hallucinogenics. They're obviously seeing people that aren't there.

[Harrydawg]

Once again Johnson goes down like he's been shot between the eyes with a 30-06......I noticed a few weeks back he did the same thing

[msstate7]

Hopefully johnson is ok. If he isn't, we're in big trouble

[Todd4State]

just a question... Croom's final game against OM.. the 45-0 game... Knowing that's what it would take to get Croom gone, were you really upset about the loss? Just an honest question.

Never "happy" with losing to Ole Miss ever.

[DudyDawg]

Decent start. Need to penetrate better agaisnt te zone. We do well (for te most part) when we beat it down the floor. Need to penetrate more when we don't. Ndoye not playing badly so far at all.

[DudyDawg]

Why any coach gets in man against us is beyond me. That's a fireable offense. Maybe not, but still.

[DudyDawg]

Once again Johnson goes down like he's been shot between the eyes with a 30-06......I noticed a few weeks back he did the same thing

Yeah he's probably faking that's why he's getting concussion tested. What a baby

[smootness]

Shoot the ball, good grief. Passed up 2 wide open looks to get it to Ndoye with his back to the basket and 5 seconds left. Awesome.

[msstate7]

We've got to have black or johnson. Hopefully both

[DudyDawg]

Black checking in

[Coach34]

Our defense has been outstanding

[msstate7]

Danger zone here with black and ndoye in together

[msstate7]

I hate this lineup

[msstate7]

Black, ndoye, and bloodman should never play together in gsmes still in doubt

[DudyDawg]

Black just skipped a zone and has made two or three nice cuts. I think he's going to be a really solid player he's won me over lately

[I seen it dawg]

just a question... Croom's final game against OM.. the 45-0 game... Knowing that's what it would take to get Croom gone, were you really upset about the loss? Just an honest question.

Fn stupid. That one game didn't end it for him. It's a stupid take. Always upset about losing to OM. There's an honest answer.

[msstate7]

Ray is gonna play bloodman till we're losing.

[DudyDawg]

We are cold enough to sink the titanic

[rcsteph1]

Ice Cold

[msstate7]

We are cold enough to sink the titanic

When bloodman is out there, you can forget a halfcourt score unless it's a 3.

[rcsteph1]

And we are not even attempting to get the ball inside. Totally went away from the way we started the game.gotta beat the zone

[klong-dog]

Boy our offense goes to shits when Bloodman is in there. No rebounds, since Johnson has been out. Damn

[Coach34]

Ray is gonna play bloodman till we're losing.

Got to rest Ready a little

[msstate7]

And we are not even attempting to get the ball inside. Totally went away from the way we started the game.gotta beat the zone

I'm telling you, it's bloodman. When he's out there, we only score in 2 ways: transition or a 3.

[starkvegasdawg]

Our patented extended streak of no FG's. Seems we have one streak a half of 6-9 minutes where we go O-fer. Hard to win when we go 12-18 minutes a game without scoring.

[HoopsDawg]

Black, ndoye, and bloodman should never play together in gsmes still in doubt

I just logged in to say the same thing. Ray got Ware in for Ndoye, but left Bloodman in far too long. He's a 4 minute a game player that we play 12 minutes a game.

[HoopsDawg]

I'm telling you, it's bloodman. When he's out there, we only score in 2 ways: transition or a 3.

10 point lead cut to 2 with bloodman in there. We can't afford for that to happen.

[Coach34]

good 1st half

[Coach34]

10 point lead cut to 2 with bloodman in there. We can't afford for that to happen.

Got no choice- Ready has to rest

[smootness]

Luckily, Tookie is the kind of guy who can create baskets when everything is broken down. It will be nice to see that when Ready has to rest.

[mparkerfd20]

Some kid in the stands has to be a better choice than Bloodman

[rcsteph1]

Good way to end the first half.

[msstate7]

Got no choice- Ready has to rest

We will be a much better team next season bc we'll have weatherspoon or tookie to rest ready.

It seems every game we lose ground big time when ready comes out in favor of bloodman

[RougeDawg]

10 point lead cut to 2 with bloodman in there. We can't afford for that to happen.

Sword had 2-3 turnovers during that span so don't put the blame solely on bloodman. At least we are on pace for our season average..... For turnovers that is. We have 8 to their 3. We will never win big time turning in over as much as we do and TO's are a staple of Ray's team. But hey at least we hussle when we turn it over.

[HoopsDawg]

Got no choice- Ready has to rest

That is complete horseshit. Duke's backcourt played 43 and 45 minutes last night. This is college basketball where you get 4 official timeouts per half plus countless other stoppages. Roq was down on the court for 5 minutes. Ready can play 40 minutes a game but 36 is easy.

[Coach34]

Ole Missus took 28 shots- 12 of them 3's...doing a good job defending and forcing them deep- especially with OM being a good shooting team

[sandwolf]

Sword had 2-3 turnovers during that span so don't put the blame solely on bloodman. At least we are on pace for our season average..... For turnovers that is. We have 8 to their 3. We will never win big time turning in over as much as we do and TO's are a staple of Ray's team. But hey at least we hussle when we turn it over.

Man get the fvck out of here with that bullshit. Start another thread if you want to start all that garbage.

[Coach34]

That is complete horseshit. Duke's backcourt played 43 and 45 minutes last night. This is college basketball where you get 4 official timeouts per half plus countless other stoppages. Roq was down on the court for 5 minutes. Ready can play 40 minutes a game but 36 is easy.

No he cant. Plus- he had a foul and you have to protect a little against a 2nd.

Just because Adrian Peterson can run the ball 30 times in a game doesnt mean LaDarius Perkins can. All players arent created equal

[MabenMaroon]

Well one thing is for sure, that 17*** Belk commercial music has now surpassed the Regions commercial music as the most obnoxious. Can't hit the mute button fast enough.

[HoopsDawg]

No he cant. Plus- he had a foul and you have to protect a little against a 2nd.

Just because Adrian Peterson can run the ball 30 times in a game doesnt mean LaDarius Perkins can. All players arent created equal

Holy shit man, I thought I told you to stick to football. You have no clue on hoops. John Wooden, Coach K, Jerry Tarkanian, Jim Boeheim on and on have tight rotations where they play 6-7 guys but Ray has to play 10? I don't think so. 1 foul, haha?

[Coach34]

no Houston tonight????

[HoopsDawg]

Just because Adrian Peterson can run the ball 30 times in a game doesnt mean LaDarius Perkins can. All players arent created equal

oh my god, what a terrible analogy. Talk about apples to oranges.

[Coach34]

Holy shit man, I thought I told you to stick to football. You have no clue on hoops. John Wooden, Coach K, Jerry Tarkanian, Jim Boeheim on and on have tight rotations where they play 6-7 guys but Ray has to play 10? I don't think so. 1 foul, haha?


Look you ignorant cock-sucker - Ready has to rest, Its obvious. I cant understand it for you

[Maroonthirteen]

Well 2nd half coming up in a winnable game. Vs your rival. I'd play Ready all 20. Hell I tried to make sure Sword and Ware got 20,as well.

[DudyDawg]

We are currently beating a tourney team and haven't allowed a single second chance basket. I'm happy. Cautious, but happy. Gotta keep pushing it and beat the zone down the floor. Need to look at the high post more too

[notsofarawaydawg]

I see now why I don't come here during a game when I don't get to attend the game. Y'alls bullshit sitting in your recliner at home is just pathetic. Only person I have any respect for is C34 because he's actually been there on the bench making the decisions Ray has to make when it comes to players. **** you bastards.

[msstate7]

Well that's bad

[DudyDawg]

Roq done for the night, ready just got his ankle landed on. Ouch

[HoopsDawg]

Look you ignorant cock-sucker - Ready has to rest, Its obvious. I cant understand it for you

name calling equals you know you are wrong.

[msstate7]

Dammit! No johnson and ready hurt. Tell me we aren't snakebit

[DudyDawg]

I see now why I don't come here during a game when I don't get to attend the game. Y'alls bullshit sitting in your recliner at home is just pathetic. Only person I have any respect for is C34 because he's actually been there on the bench making the decisions Ray has to make when it comes to players. **** you bastards.

What....

[RougeDawg]

I see now why I don't come here during a game when I don't get to attend the game. Y'alls bullshit sitting in your recliner at home is just pathetic. Only person I have any respect for is C34 because he's actually been there on the bench making the decisions Ray has to make when it comes to players. **** you bastards.

C34 was a head coach in SEC? Learn something new every day.

[msstate7]

Boo!

[HoopsDawg]

Daniels doing a lot of bad things in this half.

[DudyDawg]

Jesus, call a timeout.

[msstate7]

Big basket ware

[Coach34]

name calling equals you know you are wrong.

No- name-calling equals frustration from someone being so hardheaded or dumb that they cant understand something easy. Ready is not a 6'4- 5 star G. He needs rest. Ray understands the offense goes stagnant with Bloodman. Everybody sees it. Sometimes you just dont have a ****ing choice.

[HoopsDawg]

C34 was a head coach in SEC? Learn something new every day.

the only bench C34 has sat on was when he played little league.

[msstate7]

No- name-calling equals frustration from someone being so hardheaded or dumb that they cant understand something easy. Ready is not a 6'4- 5 star G. He needs rest. Ray understands the offense goes stagnant with Bloodman. Everybody sees it. Sometimes you just dont have a ****ing choice.

I'd slide sword over to point

[Coach34]

C34 was a head coach in SEC? Learn something new every day.

No- but C34 has made playcalls in games with more people there than are in the Hump tonight

[Coach34]

I'd slide sword over to point

My guess is that with him having back surgery and getting a late start- that option was shelved.

[RougeDawg]

Maybe I shouldn't watch. Every time I do we look like a pathetic NAIA or JUCO team. Can't inbounds, lollipop passes, knocking our own players out of the way on rebounds. Holy F*cking Sh*t. Do we go to the driving range during practice time every day? I see nothing improving at all.

[msstate7]

Johnson getting hurt was an absolute killer. We were dominating on the boards with him.

[DudyDawg]

No- but C34 has made playcalls in games with more people there than are in the Hump tonight

Badass

[Coach34]

I cant figure out why Endo is playing so much tonight

[rcsteph1]

Well a totally different team came out of the locker room for the second half. Very sloppy

[Liverpooldawg]

Our offense is just terrible. It looks way worse in person than does on TV. It reminds me of Bob Boyd's four corners. Seriously.

[Coach34]

Badass

Yes it was- I miss it

[HoopsDawg]

Johnson getting hurt was an absolute killer. We were dominating on the boards with him.

Yep, b/c Ray has decided to go with Ndoye who is absolutely clueless and no threat on offense at all.

[DudyDawg]

Yes it was- I miss it

Why did you stop

[klong-dog]

Slive called the officials at the half to make sure, we (SEC) don't have another team that lands on the bubble after this one.

[msstate7]

Ndoye and black = no chance

[RougeDawg]

No- but C34 has made playcalls in games with more people there than are in the Hump tonight

I don't care if you took the Celtics to 5 nba championships, It doesn't take anyone with an IQ much over 40 to see how inept we are, in just about every aspect of the game. BTW below 80 IQ is considered mentally challenged.

And as I type we bring out a patented turnover and give up a three.

[klong-dog]

Johnson getting hurt was an absolute killer. We were dominating on the boards with him.yep

[HoopsDawg]

Ndoye and black = no chance

it's like playing 3 on 5.

[smootness]

Our offensive problem is mostly Bloodman. He is about -18 in 5-6 minutes tonight. Seriously, that's not an exaggeration.

[Coach34]

Why did you stop

Med sales pays better

[msstate7]

it's like playing 3 on 5.

What should we do? Move Daniels to 4?

Ready
Sword
Fred
Daniels
Black (while ware on bench)

[Coach34]

I don't care if you took the Celtics to 5 nba championships, It doesn't take anyone with an IQ much over 40 to see how inept we are, in just about every aspect of the game. BTW below 80 IQ is considered mentally challenged.

And as I type we bring out a patented turnover and give up a three.

We have guys that are very limited offensively- its not hard to understand. It's hard to run a good offense with Tyson Lee at QB and no WR's

[RougeDawg]

Just based on tonight's games stats thus far, if we could just cut the turnovers in half,!while still shooting 47% on those regained turnovers we would have 5 more points right now. That's just using 2 point buckets as my scoring basis. How many games have we lost by 5-10 points. turnovers reduced would equal in at least 6 more W's right now.

[DudyDawg]

At least Ray looks good

[DudyDawg]

Med sales pays better

Walter white?

[Coach34]

Walter white?

Ray Smith?

[RougeDawg]

Can anyone explain why we are so hesitant after we break the press and have a 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 advantage and don't take it to the hole?

[msstate7]

Best lineup in there now. We have to make up ground here

[DudyDawg]

8 shot attempts in 11 minutes

[Maroonthirteen]

We have to be the worst shooting team I have ever seen. Some just flat out can't shoot. Others can't handle the pressure.... A 10ft open shot short?????

[msstate7]

Dang it fred

[Coach34]

We have to be the worst shooting team I have ever seen. Some just flat out can't shoot. Others can't handle the pressure.... A 10ft open shot short?????

yes

[DudyDawg]

Ware hurt now....

[Coach34]

always someone getting hurt

[state66]

When did Houston get hurt and what did he hurt?

[drunkernhelldawg]

Done just enough to stay in it. Kind of a shock.

[Bucky Dog]

Ray Smith?

Ray is one of my best writers at Ark La Tex

[Coach34]

I dont know who Walter White is- I was just being a smartass

[msstate7]

Bs!!!!!!!

[klong-dog]

Slive called the officials at the half to make sure, we (SEC) don't have another team that lands on the bubble after this one.

like I said

[RougeDawg]

Refs are horrible. Said over the back there, no call.

[msstate7]

Summers gets more calls than mj did

[drunkernhelldawg]

Never easy on the gut.

[msstate7]

We need ready and ware to play the rest of the game

[RougeDawg]

Going to need free throws down the stretch to pull this one out.

[DudyDawg]

I dont know who Walter White is- I was just being a smartass

From breaking bad. Cooked meth. That's why I called you that when you said med sales. Best show I've ever watched. Do yourself a favor

[Harrydawg]

We have 4 players who try to provide depth but aren't worth a shit

[Coach34]

Fred cant stay with Moody and he is our best perimeter defender

[msstate7]

Moody won't miss.

[Smitty]

Shan Foster II

[msstate7]

Shan Foster II

Frazier

[RougeDawg]

Once again we don't adjust and let one guy beat us.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Deadly run of threes by Moody, but not out of range yet.

[klong-dog]

These kinda games always happen against us. It's unreal. lol I guarantee you that Georgia cat that scored 37 on us earlier in the year, hasn't hit 20 pts again since.

[smootness]

Fred cant stay with Moody and he is our best perimeter defender

We're all over him, he's just throwing them up and they're going in.

Doesn't help that we get a defensive rebound with nobody near and are called for the travel while calling timeout. Ridiculous.

[Coach34]

Moody bombing- and Sword falling down on rebounds. There's your difference in crunch time

[klong-dog]

Frazier? It was Foster

[drunkernhelldawg]

bout the fastest nine points i've seen from one player.

talk about RAT

[smootness]

Once again we don't adjust and let one guy beat us.

Please tell me how to play better defense than we did on his last three shots.

[drunkernhelldawg]

We're all over him, he's just throwing them up and they're going in.

Doesn't help that we get a defensive rebound with nobody near and are called for the travel while calling timeout. Ridiculous.

thanks for saying so. i wanted to. it wasn't the d.

[Percho]

HE can get off the floor
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[msstate7]

? It was Foster

Frazier played for georgia. He scored 37 earlier this year

[msstate7]

Marshall Henderson and moody were both 3*s. How does AK find these guys?

[klong-dog]

Frazier played for georgia. He scored 37 earlier this year
Yep that's him. Just confused me. You replied and quoted under Shan Foster. Ha

[RougeDawg]

Please tell me how to play better defense than we did on his last three shots.

Don't let him run around by baseline 3 times in a row. We always let one guy light is up from three. It's not a new thing. We've been doing it for over 15 years now.

[msstate7]

You have to get that rebound!

[drunkernhelldawg]

Moody is in refuse to lose mode. hope we can overcome him.

[smootness]

Don't let him run around by baseline 3 times in a row. We always let one guy light is up from three. It's not a new thing. We've been doing it for over 15 years now.

I don't care about any other games, evaluate this one. On Moody's last three shots, we couldn't be on him any more than we were.

[msstate7]

These refs are screwing us

[msstate7]

We're gonna lose the ball probably

[Coach34]

we're about to get ****ed- that was a foul

[klong-dog]

Thankfully they didnt

[RougeDawg]

I don't care about any other games, evaluate this one. On Moody's last three shots, we couldn't be on him any more than we were.

Ok I'll only talk about this one. After the first or second time, put someone there to disrupt his path and rhythm. Fairly simple even at the pee wee level.

[Red Sox Dawg]

umiss gets away with more cheap shots than anybody.

Also, we are not very good.

[msstate7]

Fred is shooting us out of this game

[klong-dog]

Losing Roq was the killer in this one. His length is so big for us.

[maroonmania]

We are a great defense except when it matters most. Horrible defense on that last OM possession.

[RougeDawg]

Nice offensive play call down by 3, 75 seconds to play Rick!

[Bucky Dog]

Damn we get more basketball players hurt, banged up, whatever you want to call it!

[Coach34]

wow

[klong-dog]

Damn our whole starting 5 has gone down in this one. ****

[Irondawg]

They are just so much better balanced offensively than we are.

It's frustrating that we look so much worse yet we had a very good chance to win this one even without roq

Just like in oxford it took one of their guys going bonkers in a half to barely beat us.

[Coach34]

Nice offensive play call down by 3, 75 seconds to play Rick!

It was- down 3 and we got a great look- Fred just missed

[Coach34]

They are just so much better balanced offensively than we are.

Thats the difference

[Maroonthirteen]

So 17n tired of this dumbass pathetic.... Can't wait for baseball.*****

[klong-dog]

I don't think they're all that balanced. I think they got shooters from the outside. I don't see them with a legit consistent scoring threat down low.

[RougeDawg]

Key stat of game and reason we will lose. 13 turnovers. Cut those in half and shoot 47% and we have at least 6 more points right now. Up by two.

[DudyDawg]

It was- down 3 and we got a great look- Fred just missed

That was not good offense. We didn't even get into our set. Don't be ridiculous

[EMDawg]

Horrible Ray

[RougeDawg]

It was- down 3 and we got a great look- Fred just missed

Wait, it was a great call when Sword has been driving to the hole successfully the last 5 minutes getting to the line??? I now understand why you are no longer calling any plays from any bench.

[Quaoarsking]

Brutal, brutal loss.

[HailState39110]

Maybe Ray will learn how to recruit transfers . moody played at FAU and the other kid played at Tennessee Martin . It's part of college ball

[smootness]

Beyond stupid on that last possession. You need a 3 within 5-7 seconds. We waited 10 then took an off-balance wild 2. Phenomenal.

[klong-dog]

OM has been tough on the road. Unfortunately I don't see Sword going off like he did at Oxford last month, but then hopefully we won't get beat at the FT line 37 to 11 again. Shouldn't be the case at home. OM 73-65. Hope I'm wrong! Almost drilled it

[Coach34]

That was not good offense. We didn't even get into our set. Don't be ridiculous

We got an open 3- nothing was wrong with that. He had both feet set and a great look- shit, he's our best 3-point shooter. Ya'll are grasping

[msstate7]

Brutal, brutal loss.

Johnson injury was the difference. No way we lose if he played normal mins. When he went down we had to go with ndoye and black way too much

[DudyDawg]

Their bald guy is a better coach than our bald guy

[maroonmania]

Well, we lose again to a team that only has one player in double figures.

[Coach34]

Wait, it was a great call when Sword has been driving to the hole successfully the last 5 minutes getting to the line??? I now understand why you are no longer calling any plays from any bench.

If you had watched- they were trapping out of the zone and there was nowhere for Sword to go

[drunkernhelldawg]

I thought we were playing for the three. I'm still happier than I was last year or the year before. We're actually playing with regular SEC teams. Still got a ways to go, obviously. Sword deserves more credit than he gets. Need Johnson back and needed him tonight.

[DudyDawg]

If you had watched- they were trapping out of the zone and there was nowhere for Sword to go

Still need to get inside. High post was open all night

[Percho]

That's the reason I think Ready is not ready as a point guard. He has to be the one to drive to the basket. Doesn't do it enough. IMO

[drunkernhelldawg]

We got an open 3- nothing was wrong with that. He had both feet set and a great look- shit, he's our best 3-point shooter. Ya'll are grasping

Exactly. We successfully ran the play we called and just missed the shot.

[BossDawg]

What pisses me off more than anything is that there's a good chance Ray will be here again next year. And even if he's not? I dread the hiring process because I'm terrified of who might be hired. I have very little confidence.

[DudyDawg]

I thought we were playing for the three. I'm still happier than I was last year or the year before. We're actually playing with regular SEC teams. Still got a ways to go, obviously. Sword deserves more credit than he gets. Need Johnson back and needed him tonight.

We are much improved since December, no denying that. Offense still needs some serious work

[Coach34]

Still need to get inside. High post was open all night

yeah- but that guy was Endo instead of Roq. Losing him was a killer. Endo, Black, etc arent ready to step up

[msstate7]

We are much improved since December, no denying that. Offense still needs some serious work

Upgrading bloodman will do wonders. We for the most part can play with sec schools with ready on the court. Sub bloodman and we lose ground instantly. Tookie or weatherspoon will upgrade backup point and we'll be a much better team

[Coach34]

Where was Houston tonight?

[Coach34]

Upgrading bloodman will do wonders.

Tookie-Monster is better than Bloodman right now

[DudyDawg]

yeah- but that guy was Endo instead of Roq. Losing him was a killer. Endo, Black, etc arent ready to step up

I agree. Still need to penetrate there.

Fallou wasn't bad at all tonight. But he's a freshman still learning the game. Black is also raw but showing mental promise recently.

Still a bad shot

[Irondawg]

Moody just went nuts the second half and that's the difference. We didnt have anybody to match it plain and simple.

That trap om uses against us works so well because so many players on our side are so limited offensively that we can make them pay even if we break it. Granted we did show improvement dealing with it from the oxford game.

But we could easily be 2-0 against them

[Todd4State]

We look poorly coached. Fundamentally poor and we lack toughness. Really that's what it boils down to.

[CJDAWG85]

I was at the game. Students showed up HUGE. **** you Rick Ray. We deserve every loss we pick up from here on out. That dumbass let's opposing coaches call the game because he isn't watching the game.

[state66]

I'm trying to look more optimistically toward next year but I don't see it. What's the addition of weatherspoon and tookie going to do? Is weatherspoon going to drain 3's and open up our offense as a freshman? Is tookie going to be a threat on offense or just more serviceable than bloodman. I just don't see us taking the next step with what we have and the additions.

[chef dixon]

Easy to sit here and say we are improved because you couldn't be any worse than we were the last 2 seasons. Watch us play a game, the whole thing is absolutely broken.

[smootness]

I'm trying to look more optimistically toward next year but I don't see it. What's the addition of weatherspoon and tookie going to do? Is weatherspoon going to drain 3's and open up our offense as a freshman? Is tookie going to be a threat on offense or just more serviceable than bloodman. I just don't see us taking the next step with what we have and the additions.

I would say they'll instantly be our 2 most naturally talented scorers. So, potentially, a lot.

Zuppardo should help quite a bit as well.

[Todd4State]

I'm trying to look more optimistically toward next year but I don't see it. What's the addition of weatherspoon and tookie going to do? Is weatherspoon going to drain 3's and open up our offense as a freshman? Is tookie going to be a threat on offense or just more serviceable than bloodman. I just don't see us taking the next step with what we have and the additions.
I'm much more concerned about the fact that we aren't fundamentally sound than anything. I think Ray can "talk" basketball but I don't think he can get a team together and make them play well as a unit. He probably isn't a very good teacher.

[GTHOM]

We have 1 decent win in RR's 3rd year. This is 4 or 5 losses in a row to a team we hardly ever lost to under stans, we are poorly coached, not trying to beat a dead horse but something needs to change. Talking to you Stricklin....thank God Baseball is here

[mstatefan91]

Can someone explain to me how with 15 seconds left and two time outs that you don't call one of those time outs and potentially discuss setting up a 3 ball? Instead you just let the game play out? I know it's still a long shot but it's what you do. You don't give up. That makes me more mad than actually losing

[yjnkdawg]

I'm much more concerned about the fact that we aren't fundamentally sound than anything. I think Ray can "talk" basketball but I don't think he can get a team together and make them play well as a unit. He probably isn't a very good teacher.


I think this coaching staff is still clueless on teaching basic offensive fundamentals. Our offensive strategy looked lost and pathetic when OM was in a zone defense and to get down to two seconds on the shot clock and Bloodman having to shoot a desperation 3? That just says it all.

[fishwater99]

Where was Houston tonight?

No idea. He is long and athletic. Must be in Dawg house or broke team rules.

[RougeDawg]

I'm much more concerned about the fact that we aren't fundamentally sound than anything. I think Ray can "talk" basketball but I don't think he can get a team together and make them play well as a unit. He probably isn't a very good teacher.

This is what I've been screaming all year. We don't simple fundamentals correctly. Turnovers are absolutely killing us every game. There's only one person directly connected to this teams horrific turnover numbers and horrible fundamentals. But it doesn't fit a certain groups narrative on here to point out inept coaching and glaring deficiencies, talent and fundamentally, across the board.

[Dawg Corps]

I'm much more concerned about the fact that we aren't fundamentally sound than anything. I think Ray can "talk" basketball but I don't think he can get a team together and make them play well as a unit. He probably isn't a very good teacher.

+1. I don't doubt Ray's basketball knowledge, but we have all seen first-hand how ineffective he is at teaching what he knows.

[msstate7]

+1. I don't doubt Ray's basketball knowledge, but we have all seen first-hand how ineffective he is at teaching what he knows.

Ray can certainly improve coaching our offense, but there's things he can't teach. Ray can't teach fred and Daniels to be ball handlers. Ray can't teach bloodman to drive the ball in the halfcourt offense.

What Ray can and has to do is get players that can do those things. Ray is picking it up in that regard. His job depends on weatherspoon and tookie helping us handle, pass, and drive better imo.

[Dawg Corps]

Of course he needs to recruit better. Everyone always needs and wants to recruit better players. I'm more speaking to teaching the fundamental basketball knowledge/instinct that our team lacks.

[drunkernhelldawg]

I'm much more concerned about the fact that we aren't fundamentally sound than anything. I think Ray can "talk" basketball but I don't think he can get a team together and make them play well as a unit. He probably isn't a very good teacher.

A lot of people know something about basketball. Every play doesn't work. We make a lot of mistakes, but I just don't buy that our players and coaches are unversed in the fundamentals of basketball. Coaching is different at every level. What works with a great high school team isn't necessarily the way to go in the SEC. The best defense can't stop every hot shooter. The best offense can't score every trip. I think our team deserves credit for getting off the bottom. Sword, especially, is not getting the credit he deserves. I'm also in the minority that thinks that Ray is doing a pretty good job right now. I'd rather build on what we have than blow it up again.

[chef dixon]

If Ray needs to recruit better to improve his team and can't teach them anything like we are currently suggesting, then sounds like we just got our previous coach without the recruiting ability. You can't just sit here and say talent is what he needs to do when we are passing the ball to invisible players out of bound at least 2 or 3 times a game.

[RougeDawg]

Ray can certainly improve coaching our offense, but there's things he can't teach. Ray can't teach fred and Daniels to be ball handlers. Ray can't teach bloodman to drive the ball in the halfcourt offense.

What Ray can and has to do is get players that can do those things. Ray is picking it up in that regard. His job depends on weatherspoon and tookie helping us handle, pass, and drive better imo.

Huhwhat????? Aren't all these particular things you speak of areas coaches are supposed to coach upon? Aren't coaches supposed to teach a player ton drive to the hole when the chance is there? He can't teach them one better ball handlers? There aren't gd f*cking drills for this and for improving our turnovers? With your logic there's no possible way for Mullen to coach up a RB and provide specific drills that help said RB hold on to ball and not fumble as much. Or there aren't drills to help Dak get his feet, hips and arm in better positions to be more successful.

Holy f*cking sh*t some of you have become blinded by your hate of our previous coach that you fail to see, or do not wish to believe, how sh*tty we are fundamentally. Fundamentals are what coaches are one of the few things coaches are responsible for and can improve through drills and instruction.

Look I'm not comparing either coaching regime. I'm talking present day MSU basketball. It's complete garbage after a dumpster fire. The only thing we are consistently doing each game is turning it over 15+ times and allowing an opponents single player light us up and beat us. Both of those are coaching. One is in practice teaching and coaching. The other is in game adjustments. Either way, those who cannot see are choosing to ignore or deny. Period. Some of you on here need to swallow your pride, join reality and come to the conclusion that RR is no the answer and the longer he is driving this train the further off the tracks it's going to be when we change conductors.

[msstate7]

Huhwhat????? Aren't all these particular things you speak of areas coaches are supposed to coach upon? Aren't coaches supposed to teach a player ton drive to the hole when the chance is there? He can't teach them one better ball handlers? There aren't gd f*cking drills for this and for improving our turnovers? With your logic there's no possible way for Mullen to coach up a RB and provide specific drills that help said RB hold on to ball and not fumble as much. Or there aren't drills to help Dak get his feet, hips and arm in better positions to be more successful.

Holy f*cking sh*t some of you have become blinded by your hate of our previous coach that you fail to see, or do not wish to believe, how sh*tty we are fundamentally. Fundamentals are what coaches are one of the few things coaches are responsible for and can improve through drills and instruction.

Look I'm not comparing either coaching regime. I'm talking present day MSU basketball. It's complete garbage after a dumpster fire. The only thing we are consistently doing each game is turning it over 15+ times and allowing an opponents single player light us up and beat us. Both of those are coaching. One is in practice teaching and coaching. The other is in game adjustments. Either way, those who cannot see are choosing to ignore or deny. Period. Some of you on here need to swallow your pride, join reality and come to the conclusion that RR is no the answer and the longer he is driving this train the further off the tracks it's going to be when we change conductors.

Dude, you need a break if my post drives you into a cursing tirade.

[tcdog70]

This is what I've been screaming all year. We don't simple fundamentals correctly. Turnovers are absolutely killing us every game. There's only one person directly connected to this teams horrific turnover numbers and horrible fundamentals. But it doesn't fit a certain groups narrative on here to point out inept coaching and glaring deficiencies, talent and fundamentally, across the board.

Even if you team isn't talented a good Coach can install out of bounds plays. In three years we still sux at in bounding the ball. So if you can't coach an inbound play what makes you think He can coach anything? Have you seen a pick and roll play. Have you seen a back screen, a give and go a back door cut. how about the most basic play, a dribble, drive and dish? Every person who has watched us knows when Ready is out Bloodman can't run the show, any Coach with a Brain would let Chicken run the point when Ready is out. Could it be any worse? I do find it laughable when I think back at all the posters who bragged on the offensive greatness of Rick Ray. The same ones who now brag on his great recruits that are coming and how Ray will still lead us to the Promise Land.

[RougeDawg]

Dude, you need a break if my post drives you into a cursing tirade.

Dude you need a mental evaluation If you process thoughts that way. Saying a coach can't fix things that are fundamental to the sport he/she is coaching is as close to looney bin speak as you can get outside of a straight jacket. Just reevaluate what excuses you have concocted in your mind for the reason Rays teams are failing and think just a second or two about it. Hell, to make it easier break apart your examples into separate critiques to simplify it.

The equivalent to what you said is a Supreme Court judge not knowing a single law of the land, a CPA not knowing any tax laws, or for that matter a fish not knowing how to swim.

Your RR excuses are that a head basketball coach of a power 5 conference mens basketball team does not have the responsibility nor capability to teach basic fundamentals such as dribbling, passing, and basic ball handling. I scratch my head that a MSU basketball fan can be that invested in our excuse of a coach that they would say he's not responsible for teaching and developing his players.

[msstate7]

Dude you need a mental evaluation If you process thoughts that way. Saying a coach can't fix things that are fundamental to the sport he/she is coaching is as close to looney bin speak as you can get outside of a straight jacket. Just reevaluate what excuses you have concocted in your mind for the reason Rays teams are failing and think just a second or two about it. Hell, to make it easier break apart your examples into separate critiques to simplify it.

The equivalent to what you said is a Supreme Court judge not knowing a single law of the land, a CPA not knowing any tax laws, or for that matter a fish not knowing how to swim.

Your RR excuses are that a head basketball coach of a power 5 conference mens basketball team does not have the responsibility nor capability to teach basic fundamentals such as dribbling, passing, and basic ball handling. I scratch my head that a MSU basketball fan can be that invested in our excuse of a coach that they would say he's not responsible for teaching and developing his players.

The ability to drive the basketball at this level is God given talent. Just like you can't teach a hitter bat speed. You either can or you can't.

If Phil Jackson worked with me every day for 20 years, I still couldn't drive the basketball at this level.

You wanna rip ray for not upgrading poor ball handlers like fred and bloodman that's fine. It's a fair point. Don't blame him for them not being able to drive the basketball. Blame God.

[C222]

The ability to drive the basketball at this level is God given talent. Just like you can't teach a hitter bat speed. You either can or you can't.

If Phil Jackson worked with me every day for 20 years, I still couldn't drive the basketball at this level.

You wanna rip ray for not upgrading poor ball handlers like fred and bloodman that's fine. It's a fair point. Don't blame him for them not being able to drive the basketball. Blame God.

You don't think driving to the basket can be taught?? Wow.

[msstate7]

You don't think driving to the basket can be taught?? Wow.

What coach do you think could teach fred and bloodman to drive to the basket and not be a TO machine? I don't think they have the raw talent to beat guys at this level. If you have the talent, you can certainly be refined by coaching. If you don't have the talent though, you can't be taught to all-the-sudden be something you're not

[C222]

What coach do you think could teach fred and bloodman to drive to the basket and not be a TO machine? I don't think they have the raw talent to beat guys at this level. If you have the talent, you can certainly be refined by coaching. If you don't have the talent though, you can't be taught to all-the-sudden be something you're not

Then they shouldn't be playing D1 basketball.

[Coach34]

Then they shouldn't be playing D1 basketball.

well that's BS- Steve Kerr couldn't drive to the basket either- should he have not played D-1 basketball???? Different players have different strengths- driving to the basket isn't a strength for Fred Thomas. Now as far as Bloodman? Absolutely the argument could be made he doesn't belong in D-1 basketball. But that's ability- not much Ray can do about that

[msstate7]

Then they shouldn't be playing D1 basketball.

Bloodman shouldn't be at this level. It's on ray for not having a better option.

Fred has some value as a spot up shooter and defender, but he can't be asked to do something he's not capable of doing.

This class with tookie and weatherspoon addresses the weakness of ball handling/driving. For ray's sake, hopefully its soon enough

[engie]

There's some level of truth in both sides of that debate. Really needs it's own thread IMO. Seeing this reminder of half a lifetime of dominance coming to an end popping back to the top of the screen sucks alot worse than the debate itself...

[msstate7]

There's some level of truth in both sides of that debate. Really needs it's own thread IMO. Seeing this reminder of half a lifetime of dominance coming to an end popping back to the top of the screen sucks alot worse than the debate itself...

Good point haha

[C222]

There's some level of truth in both sides of that debate. Really needs it's own thread IMO. Seeing this reminder of half a lifetime of dominance coming to an end popping back to the top of the screen sucks alot worse than the debate itself...

True. My bad.