Facts

[msumudcat]

SEC Regular Season Championship (2004)
SEC Tournament Championship (2002, 2009)
SEC Western Division Championship
(2003, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2010)


Awards
2004 SEC Coach of the Year
2004 District 17 NABC Coach of the Year
Top 5 Finalist National Coach of the Year 2004

Those are results not "what ifs".

[thf24]

For ****'s sake... LET. IT. GO.

[Coach34]

Ok? What does that have to do with his decline and having an absolute shit show off the court his last few years??!!

He no longer coaches at State because of the off the court problems much more than on the court results

[drummerdawg]

Yea 4-6 in the NCAA tournament is awesome **

[BeardoMSU]

LOUD NOISES!!!!!

[Red Sox Dawg]

SEC Regular Season Championship (2004)
SEC Tournament Championship (2002, 2009)
SEC Western Division Championship
(2003, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2010)


Awards
2004 SEC Coach of the Year
2004 District 17 NABC Coach of the Year
Top 5 Finalist National Coach of the Year 2004

Those are results not "what ifs".

MSU Head Coach with the most losses in MSU history? Care to guess?

[mparkerfd20]

Yea 4-6 in the NCAA tournament is awesome **

At least he made the NCAA tournament.

[Liverpooldawg]

MSU Head Coach with the most losses in MSU history? Care to guess?

Same guy that has the most wins?

[Red Sox Dawg]

Same guy that has the most wins?

DING DING DING

Lots of facts.

[codeDawg]

He's gone. Get over it. We have a bigger problem to worry about now.

[Liverpooldawg]

At least he made the NCAA tournament.

THIS.

Some of us seem to think that making the tourney and even the Sweet 16 is somehow a birthright at MSU. History says otherwise. What you are seeing now is something (it usually isn't THIS bad) of a return to historical normalcy for MSU basketball. What Richard and Stans did here was pretty remarkable when you look at it through the lens of our history. The constant bashing of a coach who stands in the top three as far as honors go at MSU is more than a bit unseemly. A line from the French Ambassador to Imperial Germany comes to mind. He had just witnessed the Kaiser publicly humiliate Otto von Bismark, the man who created the German Empire. He said, "no matter what the Germans may say or do they will never be a great people." This from a man who had many, many reasons to detest Bismark.

[engie]

At least he made the NCAA tournament.

"At least Croom went bowling"..."National coach of the year 2007"...

We weren't making the NCAAs anymore. We went from being stuck as an 8-9 that had to go against a 1 in the second round to the bubble to the outside looking in.

It was better than right now -- but that doesn't make it good enough.

[Liverpooldawg]

"At least Croom went bowling"..."National coach of the year 2007"...

We weren't making the NCAAs anymore. We went from being stuck as an 8-9 that had to go against a 1 in the second round to the bubble to the outside looking in.

It was better than right now -- but that doesn't make it good enough.


So what is good enough? I've never heard you state that.

[drummerdawg]

At least he made the NCAA tournament.

What does that even mean? I'm not saying Ray was a great hire or even a good hire, but Stansbury needed to go and I don't see how people still dont understand that. Maybe we made the wrong hire in Ray but that doesn't mean Stans didn't need to be replaced. The guy was a terrible floor coach and I noticed that even in his best years. He was a very good recruiter but how many of his biggest recruits stayed and actually contributed? Seems every big time recruit left for the NBA out of hs, or only stayed one or two years before transferring somewhere else. Nobody respected him and it showed especially in the later years. I love what he did while at State and I don't go out of my way to bash him, but it was time for him to go and now its time to move on.

[MedDawg]

SEC Regular Season Championship (2004)
SEC Tournament Championship (2002, 2009)
SEC Western Division Championship
(2003, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2010)


Awards
2004 SEC Coach of the Year
2004 District 17 NABC Coach of the Year
Top 5 Finalist National Coach of the Year 2004

Those are results not "what ifs".

I wasn't for getting rid of Stans until his last season. When we didn't make the tourney after starting 19-5, it was time, regardless of the off the court stuff. At that point only 1 time in his last 7 seasons (2008) had Stans earned a spot in the NCAA tourney through his regular season record, and we had to face the #1 seed in the 2nd round.

Before that I was telling posters that it wasn't easy to find a winning basketball coach and much bigger/wealthier schools couldn't find one, so we should keep Stans. Many "can't miss" coaches had been hired and fired. It's still true, but like all the other schools, we need to keep trying until we can find a winner. Ray doesn't seem to be it, but neither was Stans in his last several years. Stans may be > Ray, but that doesn't mean we should have kept Stans. Mediocre may be better than bad, but it's not good enough.

[engie]

So what is good enough? I've never heard you state that.

- Make the NCAAs about 3 times every 5 years. That actually seems a little high -- let's say 5 times every 10 years. Add 3 NIT trips to that -- and call 2 of the 10 years full rebuilding seasons, preferably off decent postseason runs led by graduating upperclassmen.

- Make it through opening weekend once every 5-7 years.

- No off-the-court embarrassments. Play with relentless effort.

I was happy with the amount of winning we did under Stansbury for a long time. Much longer than people project on me. I was annoyed that we underperformed in the dance. But was satisfied having the chance by being there. When the off-the-court embarrassments piled up and we began to be on the wrong side of the bubble in spite of an incredible amount of talent, I began to change my mind.

[Coach34]

. At that point only 1 time in his last 7 seasons (2008) had Stans earned a spot in the NCAA tourney through his regular season record, and we had to face the #1 seed in the 2nd round.

Stands made the NCAA Tourney 1 time- 1 time in his last SEVEN years based on his season record. While that is better than we are right now- thats still not good enough.

[War Machine Dawg]

SEC Regular Season Championship (2004)
SEC Tournament Championship (2002, 2009)
SEC Western Division Championship
(2003, 2004, 2007, 2008, 2010)


Awards
2004 SEC Coach of the Year
2004 District 17 NABC Coach of the Year
Top 5 Finalist National Coach of the Year 2004

Those are results not "what ifs".

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[messageboardsuperhero]

My take on this beaten to death topic- people can say what they want about the hire Stricklin made to replace Stans, but it was obviously time for him to go. We had regressed pretty tremendously on the court in his last several years, and the off the court problems were flat out embarrassing. Stans had totally lost control of his players and program, to the point where offseason conditioning and weight training was non-existent and players were getting into fights on national TV.

I have very serious doubts that Ray was the right guy to replace Stans- but we needed to clean house.

[I seen it dawg]

****ing idiots.

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