This guy is still the best QB ever

[Coach34]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-5mLe8n9QI

[MrKotter]

Yep. Coolest dude under pressure to play the position.

[msstatelp1]

Yep. Coolest dude under pressure to play the position.

No doubt. "Isn't that John Candy?"

[FlabLoser]

Love showing videos of HOF'ers to my son and showing him how awesome these guys were.

[Leroy Jenkins]

http://cf.mp-cdn.net/00/84/59a165780ce3c0c893813fddd4fd.jpg

[Dawg61]

Time to join us in 2015

[Smitty]

Now Brady-Montana 1A-1B

[Coach34]

No doubt- Brady is certainly 1B...he cemented his spot as being just a tad less than Montana...Montana would have never lost a SB though. There's your difference

[Coach34]

http://cf.mp-cdn.net/00/84/59a165780ce3c0c893813fddd4fd.jpg

Marino is the best passing QB- not overall QB. His lack of mobility and some other things prevent him from being the best QB

[Todd4State]

Plus Montana and Marino went head to head in the Super Bowl and Montana won- without Rice.

[Coach34]

". In his four Super Bowls, Montana completed 83 of 122 passes for 1,142 yards and 11 touchdowns with no interceptions, earning him a passer rating of 127.8. Montana led his team to victory in each game, and is the only player ever to win three Super Bowl MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_MVP) awards (now tied with Brady). Montana also holds the record for most Super Bowl pass completions (83) and pass attempts (122) without throwing an interception."

[Smitty]

No doubt- Brady is certainly 1B...he cemented his spot as being just a tad less than Montana...Montana would have never lost a SB though. There's your difference

Better to go and lose than to never go at all.. John Elway lost 3.

Also, Brady's not done.

[Dawg61]

". In his four Super Bowls, Montana completed 83 of 122 passes for 1,142 yards and 11 touchdowns with no interceptions, earning him a passer rating of 127.8. Montana led his team to victory in each game, and is the only player ever to win three Super Bowl MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_MVP) awards (now tied with Brady). Montana also holds the record for most Super Bowl pass completions (83) and pass attempts (122) without throwing an interception."

More to GOAT than just the SB. Brady is now GOAT. No contest.

[Sacrifice]

I love Montana but to me Brady is the best ever..6 SBs never been done before, Won 4, top 5 in most passing categories and did that with a different cast of offensive players every year.
The 49ers barley had any competition in there SBs. Everybody new there SB was the NFC championship games..No way Montana goes to 6 SBs in today era of football with free agency..

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Joe Montana had the best receiver and player in the history of the game to throw to. Tom Brady has never had a dominant receiver other than his 1 season with Moss. Brady does it with whoever happens to be lined up with him.

Brady > Montana

[Coach34]

Joe Montana had the best receiver and player in the history of the game to throw to.

Joe Montana won 2 SB's without Rice. His WR's were Freddie Soloman and Mike Wilson

[Coach34]

No contest.

You're right- but it's Montana easily. 4 SB's- no interceptions. That's how good he was

Not to mention the NFC was loaded when Montana played. 85 Bears, Parcells Giants, Cowboys, etc...

[Smitty]

Brady had Troy Brown and Deion Branch... and now the Gonk

Brady is the GOAT IMO I change my mind on 1A-1B

Belichick is also the GOAT.

We have witnessed something very special with those two AND ITS NOT OVER

[Coach34]

Brady threw 2 picks tonight and damn near cost his team the game.

[Smitty]

Brady threw 2 picks tonight and damn near cost his team the game.

But then he lead two 4th qtr drives after being down 10 to win the game.

[Sacrifice]

Haha this debate will go on forever..Montana could only get his team to 4 SBs Brady got his to 6..

[Dawg61]

You're right- but it's Montana easily. 4 SB's- no interceptions. That's how good he was

Not to mention the NFC was loaded when Montana played. 85 Bears, Parcells Giants, Cowboys, etc...

By your logic Madison Bumgarner is the greatest pitcher of all-time. More to GOAT than just the Super Bowl.

[War Machine Dawg]

Agreed, for one reason: You could actually play defense when he was QB. Now it's two hand touch, thanks to the Brady Rules.

[sleepy dawg]

I'm glad I got to grow up watching all these guys... I guess Brady was really more adulthood, but still... There is no single stat that determines what the best qb is. It's a combination of all that and what you see from watching them play numerous games throughout the years.

Marino is my favorite all time QB, but Brady is the best I've ever seen. Brady just doesn't have much you can say bad about him. He is truly a master of the game.

[Smitty]

Haha this debate will go on forever..Montana could only get his team to 4 SBs Brady got his to 6..

And counting

[Todd4State]

Brady lost to Eli- twice.

[Todd4State]

By your logic Madison Bumgarner is the greatest pitcher of all-time. More to GOAT than just the Super Bowl.

What?

[Dawg61]

What?

Self explanatory. I'm not calling Bumgarner that but C34's only argument for Montana is his record in the SB. If that was all that determined the GOAT then that would also make Bumgarner the GOAT in baseball. We all know that's not true.

[Smitty]

Brady lost to Eli- twice.

That's twice that Brady made it further than Montana in the playoffs

[Political Hack]

Rice > Gronk

If Brady gets another one, it's not even debateable... and I think he has the edge right now with the 3 SB MVPs.

[msstate7]

I can see the argument for both Brady and Montana.

Brady certainly has won with less talent around him.

Montana did it when db's could actually play pass defense and knock a wr's head off without a penalty. Also you could actually hit a qb when Montana played.

[Coach34]

Rice > Gronk

If Brady gets another one, it's not even debateable... and I think he has the edge right now with the 3 SB MVPs.

You realize Montana has 3 of those too right?

And because Montana didnt throw picks in the SB- he was never down 10 points to worry about it. Montana won 2 SB's before Jerry Rice even played a snap. People seem to forget Brady had Randy Moss and Wes Welker

It also took Brady 6 SB's to catch Montana's TD record done in 4

[thedawg]

I would put them 1A and 1B but its hard to argue with 4-4 with wins and zero interceptions... Talking free agency and supporting cast is just spinning... I dont want to diminish what Brady has done because he is absolutely outstanding but Montana was perfect in Super Bowls...Its hard to beat perfection

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Brady didn't even win the Super Bowl with Moss on the team. Also, Welker is really lighting it up in Denver***

Also, the team with Moss is arguably one of the best teams in NFL history even with the loss in the SB. They would have had a completely undefeated season if not for a circus catch made by a no name (David Tyree) from the NYG.

[thedawg]

Woulda coulda shoulda... Football is a very self correcting deal... THEY DIDNT GET IT DONE

[Coach34]

By your logic Madison Bumgarner is the greatest pitcher of all-time. More to GOAT than just the Super Bowl.

Call me when Madison wins 2 league MVP's also

[Coach34]

Brady didn't even win the Super Bowl with Moss on the team. Also, Welker is really lighting it up in Denver**.

1) Exactly- Brady had one of the best WR's in history and couldnt win a SB

2) Welker caught more TD's in Denver in a season (2013) than he ever did from a Brady season- and hasnt even played a full season because of concussions

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

1) Exactly- Brady had one of the best WR's in history and couldnt win a SB

2) Welker caught more TD's in Denver in a season (2013) than he ever did from a Brady season- and hasnt even played a full season because of concussions

1. Terry Bradshaw is 4-0 in Super Bowls as well. He better than Brady too ?

2. Tom Brady has been to 9 out of the last 13 AFC Championship games, and one of the seasons they didn't make it is when he had a torn ACL.

[Coach34]

Did Bradshaw ever win a league MVP???

[Hypnodawg]

Brady should not have won MVP in the SB. I would have put Edelman, Gronk, or Butler in before Brady. Interceptions + some other very poorly thrown balls = no MVP. A QBR of 81=MVP?

[GTHOM]

1. Favre 2. Montana 3. Brady 4. Elway 5. Manning

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Brady has never had a losing season since being the starter.

Montana went 6-10 (1980) his first year as a starter and was 3-6 before the NFL players strike in 1982. Montana and the 49ers didnt really hit their dominant streak until Rice came along.

[Coach34]

Brady has never had a losing season since being the starter.

Montana went 6-10 (1980) his first year as a starter and was 3-6 before the NFL players strike in 1982. Montana and the 49ers didnt really hit their dominant streak until Rice came along.

The 49'ers were 2-14 the season before Montana- with 6 losing seasons the last 7 before him
Brady took over a team that had winning seasons 4 of the last 5 including a SB appearance

Montana won 2 SB's without Rice- one the year before he joined

[Political Hack]

Brady has been more dominant overall than Joe. Joe is the greatest Super Bowl QB of all time. Brady has been more than just that though. Played in the conference championship more than him. And has tied every major accomplishment Joe has. You can't punish Brady for getting to the Super Bowl. That doesn't even make sense.

Plus Brady has lasted longer and competed at the highest levels for a longer period of time. I don't think it's a slam dunk that Joe is number 1. I think you can argue either way, but if I'm taking whatever QB you'll give me from any period of time to start a franchise, I'm taking Brady over Joe.

[Dawgcentral]

Hard to argue against Montana. Definatley a clutch player in the big game. He had lots of weapons though, and a fine running game to compliment the offense.
One thing I can say about Marino, he had the quickest release I can remember ever seeing. But I can't recall a dominant run game in any year he played.
Even when Marino had Clayton and Duper catching passes he couldn't win the big one.

[Todd4State]

That's twice that Brady made it further than Montana in the playoffs

And twice more that he choked than Montana.

[Todd4State]

T
Brady has been more dominant overall than Joe. Joe is the greatest Super Bowl QB of all time. Brady has been more than just that though. Played in the conference championship more than him. And has tied every major accomplishment Joe has. You can't punish Brady for getting to the Super Bowl. That doesn't even make sense.

Plus Brady has lasted longer and competed at the highest levels for a longer period of time. I don't think it's a slam dunk that Joe is number 1. I think you can argue either way, but if I'm taking whatever QB you'll give me from any period of time to start a franchise, I'm taking Brady over Joe. The biggest thing to remember is the 49ers were focused on running the ball more and being balanced moreso than the Patriots. If Montana threw the ball 40 times instead of 25, his numbers would be every bit as good as Brady's if not better. And then there is the fact that Montana could run pretty well. He could make plays with his legs scrambling or on designed runs.

[sleepy dawg]

1. Favre 2. Montana 3. Brady 4. Elway 5. Manning

This is the first post that I can say is wrong. All other opinions seem debatable.

Everyone else seems to be judging Brady vs. Montana based on 4 games of Montana's. What about the rest of his career? Sure Brady lost a couple of Super Bowls, but that should be a credit, not a knock... How come Montana couldn't get to 6 Super Bowls?

[Coach34]

This is the first post that I can say is wrong. All other opinions seem debatable.

Everyone else seems to be judging Brady vs. Montana based on 4 games of Montana's. What about the rest of his career? Sure Brady lost a couple of Super Bowls, but that should be a credit, not a knock... How come Montana couldn't get to 6 Super Bowls?

Because of the 84-86 Bears, the Dallas Cowboys of the 80's, and the Parcells led Giants. 4 great teams stacked the NFC then with unreal talent

[Spiderman]

I say Montana for the simple fact that back then you could still get your damn head torn off and he did...... AND he got up and was Joe Cool. He also wasn't a physical freak like Brady.
If you gave me a chance to coach the all time team in their prime, my QB's would be Montana as starter, Elway as back up.

If Brady had ever gone thru a year or two getting his teeth knocked out, I'd have a little more respect for him.

Montana and Elway didn't play in the era of getting a plastic trophy just for participating.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Because of the 84-86 Bears, the Dallas Cowboys of the 80's, and the Parcells led Giants. 4 great teams stacked the NFC then with unreal talent

The Steelers, Ravens, and Colts of the 2000s are every bit as good as those teams.

[Todd4State]

This is the first post that I can say is wrong. All other opinions seem debatable.

Everyone else seems to be judging Brady vs. Montana based on 4 games of Montana's. What about the rest of his career? Sure Brady lost a couple of Super Bowls, but that should be a credit, not a knock... How come Montana couldn't get to 6 Super Bowls? The NFL Network has a top 10 show on nothing but Montana games. His greatest moment didn't even come in the Super Bowl- that was "the Catch". He probably gets to Super Bowl 25 if the Giants don't hurt him in the NFC Championship Game too.

[Coach34]

The Steelers, Ravens, and Colts of the 2000s are every bit as good as those teams.

holy shit

Those teams wont have 1/3 of the Hall of Famers those 80's teams have

[Dawg61]

You be the judge.

Montana 40,551 passing yards
Brady 53,251 passing yards

Montana 273 tds
Brady 392 tds

Montana 139 ints
Brady 143 ints

Montana 4 SBs
Brady 6 SBs

Both have league MVP and SBMVP.

Brady is still playing. His numbers are far superior to Montana's. And Brady still has a couple years left. He will dwarf Montana when he retires.

[Coach34]

Brady- 7,148 passing attempts

Montana- 5,391 passing attempts

Of course his total numbers are better- its a different era with different rules. If Montana had thrown it 7,148 times- he'd have the same numbers. Their completion %, yards per pass, and yards per completion are nearly identical

[Dawg61]

Brady- 7,148 passing attempts

Montana- 5,391 passing attempts

Of course his total numbers are better- its a different era with different rules. If Montana had thrown it 7,148 times- he'd have the same numbers. Their completion %, yards per pass, and yards per completion are nearly identical

When you're talking GOAT Montana doesn't get a pass for having 2,000 less pass attempts. You're discounting Brady just to keep the race even. Uh uh. Brady doesn't get punished because Montana threw 200 less touchdowns. Brady is GOAT.

[Coach34]

I'm not discounting anything. All you have to do is watch them and it's obvious Montana was the best-numbers be damned.

Brady's numbers are higher because of 2K more passes. It doesnt take Jerrell Powe to figure that out. But if my life depended on a QB leading a TD drive to win a game- anybody that doesnt take Montana is an idiot. Brady is great, no doubt about it, He just isnt Montana-great

[Dawg61]

I'm not discounting anything. All you have to do is watch them and it's obvious Montana was the best-numbers be damned.

Brady's numbers are higher because of 2K more passes. It doesnt take Jerrell Powe to figure that out. But if my life depended on a QB leading a TD drive to win a game- anybody that doesnt take Montana is an idiot. Brady is great, no doubt about it, He just isnt Montana-great

I won't take Montana from you. You can keep Jack Nicklaus too. I'm a Brady, Tiger, Bonds and LeBron guy. You're a Montana, Jack, Mantle and MJ guy. You go Ali. I go Tyson. You like older ladies that I consider past milf age. Led Zeppelin for both of us though. You're older than me by I'd say a decade. That's cool. We will always have different views on best ever though but that's cool too because it'd be boring as shit if we all agreed on everything.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

holy shit

Those teams wont have 1/3 of the Hall of Famers those 80's teams have

2000's (00-09) Steelers, Ravens, Colts- Super Bowl Victories 4 Winning Seasons 24

1980s (80-89) Giants, Cowboys, Bears- Super Bowl Victories 2 Winning Seasons 17


You're right. No comparison. *

Dallas went 1-15 in 1989

[Smitty]

Bruce is right here.

Just looking at the 80's as a decade the Bears, Giants, and Cowboys are 5th, 8th, and 11th respectively in that decade in win%.

The Redskins are a better team to put here 34.

[GTHOM]

This is the first post that I can say is wrong. All other opinions seem debatable.

Everyone else seems to be judging Brady vs. Montana based on 4 games of Montana's. What about the rest of his career? Sure Brady lost a couple of Super Bowls, but that should be a credit, not a knock... How come Montana couldn't get to 6 Super Bowls?

i appreciate your opinion on my opinion