Hobby lobby game thread

[DudyDawg]

Up 9-2 early. Hitting shots, kennedy calls TO

[msstate7]

If sword could hit that shot all the time, he'd be lethal

[DudyDawg]

Starting a lot like the auburn game. Om off to slow start, we are hitting early

[DudyDawg]

If sword could hit that shot all the time, he'd be lethal
If he could shoot 45% from 15-20 feet, he would be virtually unguardable. Maybe he can next season

[msstate7]

Impressive start

[huffy]

keep it up Dawgs!

[CadaverDawg]

Ha, nobody is talking bc they don't want to jinx it.

[DudyDawg]

Daniels off to good start. Hope we get the good version tonight. We are struggling against this zone though. Need to calm down

[msstate7]

Slow down!!!!

[starkvegasdawg]

Too many turnovers.

[msstate7]

Bloodman has no business on the court

[DudyDawg]

Looked like a charge to me. He was out of control

[bluelightstar]

Dammit

[msstate7]

Same as georgia game... Get a lead with ready then sub bloodman... Lead gone

[msstate7]

Sword has to go to the basket there.

[CadaverDawg]

Way to adjust to the D, Rick.*

[GTHOM]

Ray pisses me off so much

[DudyDawg]

Yet again we show a lack of common basketball iq. Against a 1-3-1, if you're the off ball handler, you need to be two feet behind te guy with the ball so you can pass back and forth. Instead, we stand 5 feet ahead on the other side of half court so that as soon as you catch it you get trapped. It's literally learned in high school. At WORST, be parallel with the ball handler. That's on ray. And whoever these kids played junior high ball for

[Irondawg]

Yet again we show a lack of common basketball iq. Against a 1-3-1, if you're the off ball handler, you need to be two feet behind te guy with the ball so you can pass back and forth. Instead, we stand 5 feet ahead on the other side of half court so that as soon as you catch it you get trapped. It's literally learned in high school. At WORST, be parallel with the ball handler. That's on ray. And whoever these kids played junior high ball for

Yep it's why I've gotten to the point where I don't care what he's does he has to be gone. Our offensive sets are worse than most jr high teams

[CadaverDawg]

We aren't winning this game. You would think the Bears just created that zone they're playing. We act like a bunch of church leaguers against it. Pathetic.

[DudyDawg]

Yep it's why I've gotten to the point where I don't care what he's does he has to be gone. Our offensive sets are worse than most jr high teams

Yep. And when a half decent press is on, we don't even get into an offensive set. We literally lack the basketball knowledge to get a play started. Much less run one

[Maroonthirteen]

The starting 5 are good. One sub, and we have a hole out there.

Fred needs to stop shooting and concentrate on rebounds and defense.

[DudyDawg]

Wish we had Dunlap badly. He could help handle. Bloodman is quick and plays his ass off on D but he just isn't a ball handler as much as I love him.

[msstate7]

The starting 5 are good. One sub, and we have a hole out there.

Fred needs to stop shooting and concentrate on rebounds and defense.

Fred does ok shooting. He needs to really work on ball handling

[starkvegasdawg]

If we could quit going 10 minutes at a time without making a fg we might be competitive in games.

[CadaverDawg]

Yep. And when a half decent press is on, we don't even get into an offensive set. We literally lack the basketball knowledge to get a play started. Much less run one

This^

And Fred acts like a 12 yr old girl dropped in a piranha tank against a press. Freaks out.

Just chill the hell out and don't panic

[starkvegasdawg]

Wish we had Dunlap badly. He could help handle. Bloodman is quick and plays his ass off on D but he just isn't a ball handler as much as I love him.
From what I've been told Dunlap is medically cleared. Ray just won't play him.

[msstate7]

If we could quit going 10 minutes at a time without making a fg we might be competitive in games.

You know it's tied right?

[messageboardsuperhero]

Our complete inability to possess the basketball and work our way into a decent shot is pathetic.

[HailState39110]

Didn't Kennedy install a 1-3-1 press on us last year in the SECT after we got up on them ? You would think Ray Has seen it before

[starkvegasdawg]

You know it's tied right?

You know we had a 12 point lead once right?

[DudyDawg]

Roq and IJ are probably our two smartest basketball minds and both lack the physical gifts the rest of the team has, unfortunately. Imagine a 6'10 Roq.


Looks like we've calmed down at least. Making them miss shots and beating the zone down the flor helps

[DudyDawg]

From what I've been told Dunlap is medically cleared. Ray just won't play him.

Grounds for firing him now, if that's the case and there isnt any more to it. Hope that isn't true

[Maroonthirteen]

I hate to keep picking on him....but how can you still be scared after two years? Damn that was a spincter tightening shorted layup

[msstate7]

And it's a 2 pt lead now...

You said we'd be competitive. It's competive now. If we didn't have a drought, it'd be a butt kicking, not a competive game

[messageboardsuperhero]

What is the foul spread? It seems like we have about 10 fouls to their 3.

ETA: Nevermind, we're in the bonus.

[Maroonthirteen]

...and they are over the back nearly everyone of their offensive rebounds. It has been called once.

[DudyDawg]

What is the foul spread? It seems like we have about 10 fouls to their 3.

Not quite as bad as the turnover spread

[msstate7]

What is the foul spread? It seems like we have about 10 fouls to their 3.

Can you tell the sec wants OM in the tourney?

[DudyDawg]

Take fallou out, put in black. Let black foul out. Who cares. Fallou is overwhelmed.

[messageboardsuperhero]

I will say, they've gotten every single close block/charge call.

[msstate7]

Take fallou out, put in black. Let black foul out. Who cares. Fallou is overwhelmed.

Yeah, ndoye has a ways to go

[starkvegasdawg]

Ouch.

[DudyDawg]

Good d on that last shot fred. Up 32-28 at half. Gotta feel pretty good about that considering gavin sat the last 8 or so minutes. Shooting 56% from the floor, but turnovers have kept the network in it.

[msstate7]

Good first half esp considering we had to sit ware and black for what 5 mins before half

[Maroonthirteen]

In depth half time analysis.... Dave Neal is a short #### sucker. Can't stand him.

[CadaverDawg]

Way to play hard,boys.

Cut out the turnovers and make some adjustments on O, and we may have a chance

[messageboardsuperhero]

Figure out that 1-3-1 and cut down the turnovers and we may just win this game.

[whosyourdawgy]

These dumbasses on SECNetwork don't have a clue. None of them. They are all wondering what is wrong with Summers. Why he is in and out of the lineup and hasn't scored. HE HAS 2 FOULS DUMBASSES and Kennedy didn't want him to get his 3rd. Same reason Ware didnt play much.

[DudyDawg]

Great possession there. Great drop pass by Craig, great job by Roq not to force it. Ware knocks it down

[DudyDawg]

Craig shooting better from deep lately.

Can't let summers get hit. Good job by ray seeing that and getting us in man

[messageboardsuperhero]

We look like a pretty solid team when we play with energy and don't give the ball away.

[DudyDawg]

Ray looks like coach K this second half (so far). Got out of the zone when summers hit a few, tearing up the baseline against their 2-3. Kennedy needs to go man.

[Maroonthirteen]

THIS IS AN INTERNATIONAL ALTERCATION

[Coach34]

We finally look like the team I thought we could this year

[DawgFromOxford]

Fouls and turnovers...

[RougeDawg]

We finally look like the team I thought we could this year

Which brings up another topic. Why were we playing so pathetically a month ago and who is ultimately responsible for that and now getting the team prepared?

[PSYCHO(thesis)DEFENSE]

Saez went backcourt just then they're scared to call shit, haven't figured out block/charge yet

[DudyDawg]

Which brings up another topic. Why were we playing so pathetically a month ago and who is ultimately responsible for that and now getting the team prepared?

Ready and Craig having bad backs certainly didn't help. Wasn't the only reason, but I'm sure that contributed. Chicken showing what he can do when healthy

[msstate7]

Which brings up another topic. Why were we playing so pathetically a month ago and who is ultimately responsible for that and now getting the team prepared?

Sword and ready not healthy.

[DudyDawg]

Saez went backcourt just then they're scared to call shit, haven't figured out block/charge yet

Wasn't back court. Ball got tipped, he didn't establish both feet before gaining control. Good no call.

[msstate7]

Finally!!! A charge

[msstate7]

Fred... Wth

[Maroonthirteen]

Good grief! Passing is as accurate as shooting.

[CadaverDawg]

Love Fred's passion, but quit trying to make the spectacular pass

[cheewgumm]

Traveling

[msstate7]

OM erasing the lead... Bloodman in game

[DudyDawg]

WEAAAAAK call on fred

[msstate7]

Traveling

Nah, you can get from the 3 pt line to the basket without dribbling*

[CJDAWG85]

OM is getting a lot of cheap fouls. Wish they would call those touch fouls on them too.

[msstate7]

Everytime OM gets in the paint, it's a basket or ft

[msstate7]

OM is getting a lot of cheap fouls. Wish they would call those touch fouls on them too.

OM is a home, borderline tourney team. Sec will help them

[Coach34]

All that talk about Black being a waste of a scholly was bullshit- he is going to be solid

[Maroonthirteen]

GET DANIELS in the game NOW!

[CJDAWG85]

Ray needs to get Thomas out of the game and settle him down.

[cheewgumm]

Is ole
Miss supposed to be good? They stink too. SEC basketball craptastic!!!!

[Coach34]

Where is Houston? He played ok earlier

[DudyDawg]

Where is Houston? He played ok earlier

Don't think ray trusts him to handle it against the zone down the stretch

[Coach34]

Is ole
Miss supposed to be good? They stink too. SEC basketball craptastic!!!!

SEC has 6 teams in the top 45 of RPI and OM is a borderline Tourney team right now

[msstate7]

Sob!!!! They call a foul on us every trip

[CJDAWG85]

Free Throws

OM 23
MSU 11

[Maroonthirteen]

What a ridiculous call

[msstate7]

Every trip

[DawgFromOxford]

Can the boys in maroon get a foul call? This is ridiculous

[cheewgumm]

Horrible call

[msstate7]

There's no f'n way that was a foul

[Coach34]

We cant get a call for anything

[starkvegasdawg]

How the hell is that a foul on Ready when he was standing still and got run over?

[cheewgumm]

I'd full court press to speed things up.

[msstate7]

How the hell is that a foul on Ready when he was standing still and got run over?

We're getting raped by the officials

[Quaoarsking]

...

[cheewgumm]

Wth was that?

[Coach34]

We've played as well as we can play tonight- refs have hurt us- and Mississippi has made some good shots

[RougeDawg]

Calls have been completely one sided the last 5 minutes. For some reason im not surprised.

[Maroonthirteen]

I'd like to know how many trips in a row they got a call. Oh well.....

[CJDAWG85]

Fouls

MSU 23
OM 12


We literally can sneeze on them and they will get a foul called. Hard to win on the road when you have to beat the officials too.

[Maroonthirteen]

FT missed a 3. Shocked I am.

[engie]

Refs have ****ing taken this game over.

[msstate7]

Get fred out while we have a shot

[BeardoMSU]

How many times has Roq caught the ball while standing on the end line? Christ.

[Thick]

I'm sorry, but Fred Thomas cannot graduate a quick enough. Completely overrated!!!!

[CadaverDawg]

We also haven't adjusted to their zone All game

[breazy]

i'd like to see the fake a shot, defender jumps into the air, jump into the defender foul go the way of the dinosaurs. That's the most chickenshit way to get to the line.

[Coach34]

Roq has been awful tonight

[cheewgumm]

We should full court pess all game and sprint to the goal when we get he ball.

We have athletes, we just can't really play basketball.

[Coach34]

We also haven't adjusted to their zone All game

we've had a good plan- we just arent good enough to execute. Roq and others turning it over is a killer

[RougeDawg]

Do the OM rims make that odd/different sound unlike every other rim I've heard, because they've exposed to rain storms?

[DudyDawg]

How many times has Roq caught the ball while standing on the end line? Christ.

A lot. That and high post are the weak spots against a 2-3. Just gotta make a better decision when we get it there

[Coach34]

We should full court pess all game and sprint to the goal when we get he ball.

We have athletes, we just can't really play basketball.

we would foul out our starting 5 too quickly if we did

[PSYCHO(thesis)DEFENSE]

craig's got the juice tonight he should've been running the show since the 8 min mark

[DudyDawg]

We also haven't adjusted to their zone All game

That hasn't been problem. It's been making bad decisions in the spots you have to attack

[Bothrops]

We make way too many mental mistakes. Improved play isn't going to change the results. Refs on the road are usually going to **** you.

[Percho]

I think the problem is I J will not take charge.

[msstate7]

30 FT's to our 11... This is bs

[messageboardsuperhero]

They've taken 30 FTs to our 11. And the crazy part is, we've been the team attacking the basket all night, while they've been settling for jump shots.

[whosyourdawgy]

Game balls for the Rebels go to Fred Thomas and Roquez Johnson

[DudyDawg]

Blocked a three from behind. Clean. Horrrrrrrrible refs

[msstate7]

Game balls for the Rebels go to Fred Thomas and Roquez Johnson

Nah... Refs pulled this 1 out

[CJDAWG85]

Fouls since the 10:00 mark

MSU 10
OM 1

[HailState39110]

They've taken 30 FTs to our 11. And the crazy part is, we've been the team attacking the basket all night, while they've been settling for jump shots.

Weird game. We played about as well as we could offensively. They went to the line just about every trip down the court in the second half. We did not have a lot of calls in our favor tonight

[Maroonthirteen]

RJ was pushed around tonight.... Out of bounds a few times.

Thomas can't handle the pressure. He looks to have the size, athletic ability but..... Tight shooting and poor decisions under pressure. .... Anyway, Black and Daniels are players.

[DawgFromOxford]

When was the last time we had a foul go our way?

[whosyourdawgy]

If Roq and Fred dont turn it over over 10 times and made bone head play after bone head play, the refs wouldn't have mattered

[DudyDawg]

Even with the foul shit, it's on us. We cut our turnovers in half and we win. Fouls made it worse, but the refs don't cause you to throw the ball away

[whosyourdawgy]

Fred is 0-7 from the floor. I don't know how many turn overs he has and didn't even play defense worth a shit tonight

[starkvegasdawg]

Blew two double digit leads. Pathetic.

[Irondawg]

Yep that was a disappointing loss in a game we should have won. We just make so many bad turnovers and have so many hot/cold guys that we make every game difficult on ourselves. We tried to blow the AU game after getting up double figures several times and found a way, with the help of the guys with whistles, to do it tonight.

Darn this is a frustrating team to watch.

OM is just about like watching one of Stans teams - looks the part, but also takes a ton of terrible shots and some nights they make a few and it works out. The fact they shoot FT's extremely well helps.

[BeardoMSU]

We had so many horrendous turnovers, y'all can stop blaming it on the refs. We 17'd the game, not them.

[DawgFromOxford]

How many turnovers did we have compared to OM?

[msstate7]

We had so many horrendous turnovers, y'all can stop blaming it on the refs. We 17'd the game, not them.

The TO's were horrible, but the officiating was too.

[Irondawg]

I need to find tie in the next few days to see what our +/- is with and without Ready on the floor these past 4 games.

[TheRef]

How many turnovers did we have compared to OM?

16-6

[TheRef]

The TO's were horrible, but the officiating was too.

27 fouls to 12

[JohnnyQuid]

How many turnovers did we have compared to OM?

16 to 6. Went to the game, best choice all night was leaving with 9 mins left and not having to listen to any reb shit after we blew it. only saw 1 other obvious state fan there tonight, we're traveling well***

[msstate7]

How many turnovers did we have compared to OM?

16 TO's for us
6 TO's for them

27 fouls for us
12 fouls for them

11 FT's for us
31 for them

[Alphadog]

The TO's were horrible, but the officiating was too.

Summers had 15 free throws? Is that right? No wonder he scored 22 in 1 half. Turnovers were bad and we always have too many of them but Summers did not do enough drive the ball enough to get to the line that much. College basketball has got to get back to letting them play. Way too many picky fouls called.

[msstate7]

Summers had 15 free throws? Is that right? No wonder he scored 22 in 1 half. Turnovers were bad and we always have too many of them but Summers did not do enough drive the ball enough to get to the line that much. College basketball has got to get back to letting them play. Way too many picky fouls called.

Called only on one team

[messageboardsuperhero]

16 TO's for us
6 TO's for them

27 fouls for us
12 fouls for them

11 FT's for us
31 for them

^^These were the difference in the ball game.^^

We outplayed them in every other facet.

[CJDAWG85]

Fouls were 27-12
FT's were 29-37 to 6-11


I'm not saying that all of the calls against us were not fouls, but there is no way in hell it was that one-sided.


MSU had better shot %
MSU had better 3 point % and 3's made
MSU had more assists
MSU had more rebounds

[TheRef]

Second half fouls

MSU 16

OM 5

[msstate7]

Fouls were 27-12
FT's were 29-37 to 6-11


I'm not saying that all of the calls against us were not fouls, but there is no way in hell it was that one-sided.


MSU had better shot %
MSU had better 3 point % and 3's made
MSU had more assists
MSU had more rebounds

We had 16 TO's /15 assists. That's not good, but it's really good for us.

[LC Dawg]

I agree our turnovers were bad but the foul discrepancy was the difference in the game. The turnover margin could have been a little closer if the refs had actually let us play defense.

[maroonmania]

Well I didn't watch. Even when I checked the score and saw we were up double digits in the second half I had no faith we would hold the lead. Just can't bring myself to get emotionally invested in it. Yes, we are playing better but we've got 2 wins over bad teams to show for it while we let 3 games against pretty decent teams we could have won all get away from us (TA&M, GA, OM). Ray is likely going to do just enough with 5 or 6 wins in the SEC this year to keep his job and then we will get to have the debate all over again next year. Still just monitoring recruiting and waiting on baseball at this point.

[whosyourdawgy]

Again. All these stats are true but the unforced turnovers is what lost this game oh and Fred Thomas' shooting. We shot over 50 percent as a team with Fred going 0-7 from the floor. Why was he in the game late and not Daniels? Fred gave us nothing at all. He even stunk on D tonight. And Roquez must've had his head up his ass in the 2nd half. You can't play much worse than that in a single half of basketball. The officials were really not very good. They called about what 5 or so charges tonight and a couple of blocking fouls and I would've called them the exact opposite on every single one of them I believe. We could not get close to summers the last 10 minutes of the game. He would just drive it and go up and throw his hands up and they call a foul. Ugh. Shit. I'm gojng to sleep

[DawgFromOxford]

How many of those 16 turnovers came in the second half? If someone could link to somewhere to I could find all this info that would be great too.

[messageboardsuperhero]

How many of those 16 turnovers came in the second half? If someone could link to somewhere to I could find all this info that would be great too.

Turnovers killed us in the first half- the foul discrepancy killed us in the second half. We actually took pretty good care of the ball in the second half.

[TheRef]

How many of those 16 turnovers came in the second half? If someone could link to somewhere to I could find all this info that would be great too.

6 came in the second half.

[mstatefan91]

How many of those 16 turnovers came in the second half? If someone could link to somewhere to I could find all this info that would be great too.

http://espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=400597359

[CJDAWG85]

Fouls were 27-12
FT's were 29-37 to 6-11


I'm not saying that all of the calls against us were not fouls, but there is no way in hell it was that one-sided.


MSU had better shot %
MSU had better 3 point % and 3's made
MSU had more assists
MSU had more rebounds

[Alphadog]

Fouls were 27-12
FT's were 29-37 to 6-11


I'm not saying that all of the calls against us were not fouls, but there is no way in hell it was that one-sided.


MSU had better shot %
MSU had better 3 point % and 3's made
MSU had more assists
MSU had more rebounds

I don't think either team was doing a lot of fouling. I'm not upset with the refs not calling fouls on them because I don't think they were fouling but I don't understand all of the fouls being called on us. And on jump shots at that. Terrible. Again summers shot 25 free throws. He's not Michael Jordan

[CJDAWG85]

From the mark where we were up by 13

Fouls
MSU: 14
OM: 5

FT's
OM: 22 (Made 17)
MSU: 6 (Made 3)

Turnovers:
OM: 3
MSU: 6 (4 by RJ)

[whosyourdawgy]

Fred Thomas' night
0-6 from the floor, 2 turnovers(seemed like 10) , 4 fouls, 1 assist

Roquez Johnson's night
2-3 from the floor, FIVE turnovers, 4 fouls, no assists

We got 4 points, 8 fouls, 1 assist, 7 turnovers, 1 block, and 9 rebounds out of two of our veteran players. And these stats don't really even point out just how poorly they played.

[msstate7]

Fred Thomas' night
0-6 from the floor, 2 turnovers(seemed like 10) , 4 fouls, 1 assist

Roquez Johnson's night
2-3 from the floor, FIVE turnovers, 4 fouls, no assists

We got 4 points, 8 fouls, 1 assist, 7 turnovers, 1 block, and 9 rebounds out of two of our veteran players. And these stats don't really even point out just how poorly they played.

Both players are very streaky in production.

Games like this are why I say zuppardo/black will fill in just fine for johnson next season

[DudyDawg]

I love Roq, but he's physically limited.


Where's that idiot who said ray made him a 25 and 10 player?

[CadaverDawg]

I love Roq, but he's physically limited.


Where's that idiot who said ray made him a 25 and 10 player?

He just finished up with his post game presser*

[DudyDawg]

He just finished up with his post game presser*

Hahaha. That was good.

[JohnnyQuid]

The more i watch this team the more it's not about the personel it's just about them being outcoached. Tonight was my first game to watch in person since rick ray was hired. We shot great outside of fred , yea we turned the damn rock over too much, and yea they got a shit ton of fouls go their way. We're up like 13-2 in first half and they go 1-3-1 and we look like a buncha sped kids playing basketball (bringing the ball up and picking up dribble in corner/throwing to the short corner it was just hard to watch offensively for a while). I would have been ok with it it except it basically lasted the next 10 minutes of the half. Had a similar drought in the 2nd half but for me it got foggy at that point. The officiating was piss poor dont get me wrong, but our inability to adjust as a coaching staff is a glaring problem at this point.

Nice to see craig sword playing well. Really like this guy and he plays hard.