"Poor ole MSU" is Dead...

[engie]

Private donations. This is strictly money given to the BDC. It is independent of our SEC money and also independent of our ticket revenue itself, although this number does include the "donation requirements" to get tickets.
2008 - $1,931,025(#81 among public schools nationally)
2009 - $6,383,579(#54)
2010 - we didn't report
2011 - $16,332,138(#28)
2012 - $24,030,641(#20)
2013 - $16,868,035(#33)
Impossible to know exactly how the $12mil Seal gift factors here, but it definitely had heavy influence in 2012. That said, I'm betting it's spread over multiple years, just 2012 getting the largest lump sum of it. 2013 is impressive because it didn't have a major capital fundraising project for people to earmark money for, while also experiencing a seemingly temporary lull in our football program. That won't be the case again for the foreseeable future, given the Dudy Noble build and the new softball/tennis complexes. It will also stand to increase significantly from the donation requirement end of new seats in the football stadium, which is several million by itself.

This doesn't include the private schools: Baylor, Boston College, BYU, Duke, Miami, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Pitt, Rice, SMU, Stanford, Syracuse, TCU, Temple, Tulane, Tulsa, USC, Vanderbilt

Ticket revenue.
2008 - $8,750,198(#50)
2009 - $7,600,163(#54)
2010 - $10,776,417(#50)
2011 - $10,358,803(#49)
2012 - $11,330,142(#46)
2013 - $11,442,447(#46)
Given the finite # of tickets, and "donations" being placed in the previous category, this number was pretty well capped for us in the past. Being that we added 7k seats this year, this number is going to go up, and probably get us into the top 40 in this regard.

SECMoney. This includes bowl money and tv revenue.
2008 - $11,155,952(#24 nationally)
2009 - $12,640,456(#25 nationally)
2010 - $18,234,538(#20 nationally)
2011 - $20,559,244(#17 nationally)
2012 - $21,499,866(#19 nationally)
2013 - $20,917,473(#30 nationally)
This number is going thru the roof with the new bowl structure and the SECNetwork. Really shouldn't have to go into discussion about that number, which is going to be huge.

Since 2010, after all bills and expenses across all sports have been paid, we have operated at a $20million overall program profit. We average $5mil unspent every year of the Mullen era. We've not shown a loss over this time period, and haven't come close since 2009.

Yet, we've paid all coaches:
2008 - $5,088,949(68th nationally)
2013 - $10,855,412(46th nationally)

Data: http://b2.caspio.com/dp.asp?AppKey=900c1000ea466e223e104a22814a

[Dawg496]

Thanks Engie.

Interested to see the 2014 data but as you said just ticket revenue alone will add $5 million. I hope BDC donations went up around $5 million also.

[I seen it dawg]

Spend some damn money

[M.Fillmore]

Good info. Thanks.

[Political Hack]

LT Part II

[Dawg496]

LT Part II

+1000000

Why should I keep donating if we're not going to use that money anyway? I'm not a big shot by any means but it's dumb to sit on the money. Spend it to make more.

[Coach34]

That money goes to women's basketball, softball, golf, and other non-revenue sports that we are required to have. Football has to pay all the bills. Now basketball also loses money

[I seen it dawg]

From Engies post...

Since 2010, after all bills and expenses across all sports have been paid, we have operated at a $20million overall program profit. We average $5mil unspent every year of the Mullen era.

The bills are paid and we still make $$$$ and it's going up.

[ScottH]

The Seal gift is X dollars a year over X years. A MSU Foundation member explained it to me but I don't remember the numbers or years.

There was also another fairly big gift not publicized at all a year or so ago. I was told some of it was current dollars and some planned giving over time.

Fundraising arms of universities have unique ways of reporting donations whether current year or planned gifts and depending on who it's being reported to and for what purpose.

Kind of like paid versus actual attendance. Not always apples to apples.

[engie]

From Engies post...

Since 2010, after all bills and expenses across all sports have been paid, we have operated at a $20million overall program profit. We average $5mil unspent every year of the Mullen era.

The bills are paid and we still make $$$$ and it's going up.

That's correct. It's laid out pretty clearly in the link. The last 4 years, net revenue - net expense, we've cleared something like $6mil, $3mil, $5mil, $6mil. In 08 and 09(Ninjatime), the books were actually totally balanced, within a couple hundred thousand $$. Of course, at that time, we didn't have half the overall money that we do now...

[Churchill]

That`s all well and good but "poor" in the context of collegiate athletic budgets is purely relative to your competition`s resources. In that regard we still po.

[Dawg496]

No matter how much money we have, if we refuse to spend it we're still poor.

[engie]

That`s all well and good but "poor" in the context of collegiate athletic budgets is purely relative to your competition`s resources. In that regard we still po.

Who is "the competition"?

[Alldawg]

From Engies post...

Since 2010, after all bills and expenses across all sports have been paid, we have operated at a $20million overall program profit. We average $5mil unspent every year of the Mullen era.

The bills are paid and we still make $$$$ and it's going up.

Some of that may be due to the Seal gift. Instead of spending it all, holding on to it for future needs and not counting on the overall surplus after the spread of the donation. I would think some could be used to pony up money for an assistant coach hire if money was a problem.

[Churchill]

Who is "the competition"?

I believe that would be the SEC West...where every member has a shit load more money than we do. Well maybe with the exception of OM.

[engie]

Some of that may be due to the Seal gift.
I imagine Leo Jr and Lee would be pissed if they earmarked us $12mil that we didn't spend on the complex bearing their father's name. Would probably be illegal. Almost always carefully worded contractual agreements that have escape clauses for misuse when that kind of money changes hands...

Feel pretty confident the Seal gift went straight to the complex. That was paid for on BDC donations. That's a reason our "private donations" number is high, especially in 2012 -- but it doesn't have much to do with there being a profit at the end of the year, because we quit accepting money for that complex after we had the $$ to build it.


Instead of spending it all, holding on to it for future needs and not counting on the overall surplus after the spread of the donation.
I'm fine with us having a nice capital reserve. And we've obviously built one. It doesn't make much sense to be to put $20mil in the bank while bonding $70mil on a stadium, but I'm not a bonds expert, and have no idea of the capital interest gained vs bond interest cost. At the end of the day, our athletics department still operates as a nonprofit. And "anticipating darker days on the horizon" when it's clear that we are about to add another 8 figures to our income check is something LT would do. If he ever actually had that kind of money to deal with.

I want people to draw their own conclusions from the info. I want people to understand and act like "what we are" instead of "what we used to be". One of the things that I draw from it all and a couple other charts is that Clemson, prior to losing their OC, had the 3rd or 4th highest paid assistant staff in the land, and they don't have much more money than us. Chances are by next year that they will have less. I want to pay our assistants.

We are an unappreciated job. Been shown time and time again. People do not want to come live in Starkville. People do not trust our continued success. In my opinion, we've got to pay MORE THAN OTHERS to overcome this. Instead, we pay arguably the least in the league for assistants. As such, it's absolutely stunning what Mullen has been able to accomplish given the handicap.

[Dawg496]

We are an unappreciated job. Been shown time and time again. People do not want to come live in Starkville. People do not trust our continued success. In my opinion, we've got to pay MORE THAN OTHERS to overcome this. Instead, we pay arguably the least in the league for assistants. As such, it's absolutely stunning what Mullen has been able to accomplish given the handicap.

This hits the nail on the head. Our reputation is still years behind the reality of the situation. No one draws the same conclusions about Ole Miss because they market themselves so well. But numbers would speak for themselves if we would have the testicular fortitude to throw them out there.

Pay the coaches - that's how you retain good ones and bring in better ones.

[engie]

I believe that would be the SEC West...where every member has a shit load more money than we do. Well maybe with the exception of OM.

I'd much rather be the 3rd best team in the country and 3rd best in the division -- than 2nd in the division and 15th in the country. I think everyone agrees with that.

The competition in this case is everyone else outside of the SEC. If you are waiting for a day we have more money than Alabama and LSU, you better will your kids or grandkids to let you know if it ever comes to fruition, because it won't in our lifetimes. That doesn't mean that we can't pay assistant coaches just as much as they do though.