Orange bowl

[BulldogBear]

fuk u musky burger

These media types were ready to get off the bandwagon the week after the Auburn game. It's like kissing that girl Saturday night and then realizing the mistake Monday morning!

[DownwardDawg]

Good God our defense sucks

[Smitty]

It's like we can't do basic shit that everyone else can.

[mstate68]

Remember when Mississippi was "the center of the college football universe?"

[DownwardDawg]

These SEC defenses hadn't faced any decent offenses apparently.

[Liverpooldawg]

As much as i hate seeing us lose, I hate watching our fans when we lose worse. I'm out of here for a while. You light weights can suck it up or find another team. MSU till I die, win or lose. You folks will fire Mullen and then we will be in for another Rick Ray adventure. It's the same 17n crap that fired McKeen and condemned us to 50 years of losing. I love MSU but our fans sometimes test my faith. Some of you need to THINK about what you are saying.

[TopDog58]

17 Mullen. Cant wait til he's gone

[99jc]

they are laying down on purpose the sorry ass bitches

[TopDog58]

As much as i hate seeing us lose, I hate watching our fans when we lose worse. I'm out of here for a while. You light weights can suck it up or find another team. MSU till I die, win or lose. You folks will fire Mullen and then we will be in for another Rick Ray adventure. It's the same 17n crap that fired McKeen and condemned us to 50 years of losing. I love MSU but our fans sometimes test my faith. Some of you need to THINK about what you are saying.P U S S Y

[CJDAWG85]

Glad I spent a ton of money to watch us looks like shit.

[CadaverDawg]

This is why you never predict a 11-1 or 12-0 type season for MSU. Because even if we have a great start...we are incapable of handling success, so we will end up blowing it at the end.

[BulldogBear]

What hurts more than the loss is that I don't believe we are any closer to respect than we were post 2012 bowl game. Seriously, media may make one or two more nice comments about this season but they really see us the same way they did after 2012.

[starkvegasdawg]

http://bostonbiker.org/files/2011/08/steamingPileOfShit.jpg
You must spread reputation around before giving it to CadaverDawg again.

[maroonmania]

Shumpert can NOT see where the hole is!! Its infuriating.

[CadaverDawg]

As much as i hate seeing us lose, I hate watching our fans when we lose worse. I'm out of here for a while. You light weights can suck it up or find another team. MSU till I die, win or lose. You folks will fire Mullen and then we will be in for another Rick Ray adventure. It's the same 17n crap that fired McKeen and condemned us to 50 years of losing. I love MSU but our fans sometimes test my faith. Some of you need to THINK about what you are saying.

You sound like you play for our defense tonight.

[BulldogBear]

they are laying down on purpose the sorry ass bitches

951

[defiantdog]

As much as i hate seeing us lose, I hate watching our fans when we lose worse. I'm out of here for a while. You light weights can suck it up or find another team. MSU till I die, win or lose. You folks will fire Mullen and then we will be in for another Rick Ray adventure. It's the same 17n crap that fired McKeen and condemned us to 50 years of losing. I love MSU but our fans sometimes test my faith. Some of you need to THINK about what you are saying.
It's the MSU way of life man. We aren't used success.

[War Machine Dawg]

Best quote of the evening. I laughed. Oh, and we look like a bunch of rank amateurs. On the field and on the sidelines. There are very few FBS head coaches that deserve in excess of $4 million. And I'm here to tell you, Dan Mullen and Hugh Freeze are not in that group. Spin it as you wish, but they are not in that group, even though they will get it.

College football inflation at work.

[Liverpooldawg]

P U S S Y

You sir are a Rebel. Your use of that derogatory term earlier about Dan has exposed you. They are the only ones that use that term. Go back to the Spirit board where you belong.

[Liverpooldawg]

It's the MSU way of life man. We aren't used success.

I'm 51.

[Bothrops]

Who knew we had the worse D in the west? I would raise the DC offering to 7 figures, we have no choice! This shit is going to take some time. We are all kinds of awful.

[defiantdog]

I'm 51.
That's great..... I'm 32. We still aren't used to success.

[TopDog58]

You sir are a Rebel. Your use of that derogatory term earlier about Dan has exposed you. They are the only ones that use that term. Go back to the Spirit board where you belong.

Get out of here with that bullshit. Ill kick your ass, bitch

[BulldogBear]

Just so everyone knows, the 24-7 (for about 10-11 days) Mythbusters marathon is still on.

[CadaverDawg]

I would love nothing more than to hear these words tomorrow....

"Yawyawyawyawyaw"

http://images.yuku.com.s3.amazonaws.com/image/gif/f2936bd41fdd384ba5630d5da20b13b31037b9c8_r.jpg

[drunkernhelldawg]

As much as i hate seeing us lose, I hate watching our fans when we lose worse. I'm out of here for a while. You light weights can suck it up or find another team. MSU till I die, win or lose. You folks will fire Mullen and then we will be in for another Rick Ray adventure. It's the same 17n crap that fired McKeen and condemned us to 50 years of losing. I love MSU but our fans sometimes test my faith. Some of you need to THINK about what you are saying.

I agree but that's sports fans. They want to win every play.

[Liverpooldawg]

You sound like you play for our defense tonight.

At least they are still trying, bless their hearts.

[BulldogBear]

!

[99jc]

i am going to fuk somebody's wife tonight to make me feel better and start the new year off right. cause i just got ass raped by our team

[cheewgumm]

Play with urgency .... Not to get close.

[mstate68]

Yay for moral victory tds

[Liverpooldawg]

Get out of here with that bullshit. Ill kick your ass, bitch

You used a term that ONLY Rebels use. You did it to yourself, Rebel.

[msstate7]

We might as well onside kick. If they get ball, they're scoring

[BulldogBear]

I'm picturing a nail CD. It needs something.

[defiantdog]

Get out of here with that bullshit. Ill kick your ass, bitch

You really just threatened someone on a message board. Not sure how that will work out for you. Try punching your computer screen. Really make it intriguing.

[drunkernhelldawg]

back to two scores. still technically in it.

[PMDawg]

We might as well onside kick. If they get ball, they're scoring

Well we ****ed that up too

[BulldogBear]

We might as well onside kick. If they get ball, they're scoring

Look at you!!!! But, dang I thought we had it!

[drunkernhelldawg]

onside kick not a mensa move.

[BulldogBear]

You really just threatened someone on a message board. Not sure how that will work out for you. Try punching your computer screen. Really make it intriguing.

Does anyone over 20 do that!?

[msstate7]

back to two scores. still technically in it.

We'll until this quick td

[maroonmania]

onside kick not a mensa move.

Why not? GT would have made up the difference in the field position in 4 or 5 plays anyway.

[mstate68]

He kicked it directly to the dude

[CadaverDawg]

We are the definition of "No Adjustments". I mean, seriously....they are running the same play over and over. It's like playing Playstation on "Rookie"

[Liverpooldawg]

You really just threatened someone on a message board. Not sure how that will work out for you. Try punching your computer screen. Really make it intriguing.

I checked back on his history. He uses a LOT of terms for Mullen that only Rebels use. He is exposed.

[drunkernhelldawg]

still pissed about the onside kick. All we need is a stop to get a chance to change the game. this "strategy" negates that opportunity.

[CadaverDawg]

So much for our vaunted Front 7

[BulldogBear]

Please Cadaver don't hurt 'em

Sledge _______

Stop ______ Time

War _______ 40K

_______ Meet Nail

Them boys are dummer than a bag full of _______s

[99jc]

somebody tell me what you have to do to stop this shit

[maroonmania]

Did losing Collins wreck us this bad on D? Geez.

[msstate7]

still pissed about the onside kick. All we need is a stop to get a chance to change the game. this "strategy" negates that opportunity.

Do you honestly think we could stop them? We couldn't stop them with 15 players much less 11

[mstate68]

PSYCHO

[CadaverDawg]

McKinney is a first round pick after this quarter, and he is on the ****ing bench while we get the nail put in our coffin. THAT is the type of shit that makes me want to punch Mullen in the face.

[BulldogBear]

Back to the cave with the 953

[drunkernhelldawg]

Why not? GT would have made up the difference in the field position in 4 or 5 plays anyway.

call me crazy for still wanting the win, but they'd be on the fifty not the five now. I agree we haven't stopped them yet, but every yard they need gives us that shot. Scoring next to get it to eight would have put the game in serious question.

[starkvegasdawg]

The one five star we have on defense has been a non factor the end of this season. I literally can't remember one play he made the last quarter of the season.

[CadaverDawg]

Please Cadaver don't hurt 'em

Sledge _______

Stop ______ Time

War _______ 40K

_______ Meet Nail

Them boys are dummer than a bag full of _______s

You talking about the Rebel troll?

[TopDog58]

Same ol MSU. Looks like a Bill Clay defense

[maroonmania]

Do you honestly think we could stop them? We couldn't stop them with 15 players much less 11

EXACTLY! drunkernhelldawg is perhaps drunk a little early on this New Year's Eve night.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Do you honestly think we could stop them? We couldn't stop them with 15 players much less 11

sometimes you get some in game shifts

[99jc]

Same ol MSU. Looks like a Bill Clay defense

have not heard that name in a while

[Liverpooldawg]

One thing is obvious, and y'all know me when it comes to defending most coaches, we need a total overhaul on defense. It cost us big this year. We had the offense to win it all, for the first time in my memory. We have had that defense before, but NOT this year. The biggest step has already happened. Good riddence. We will see if anything else is coming.

[Irondawg]

So what exactly did our defensive coaches do for a month?

[BulldogBear]

You talking about the Rebel troll?

We have a double date in progress on Elitedawgs tonight apparently

[msstate7]

This team has regressed so bad. Serious question has Preston smith had a tackle from November on?

[mstate68]

Lol. Good night guys. F*** the end of this season.

[99jc]

why why why can we not stop a simple dive dammit

[CadaverDawg]

We have a double date in progress on Elitedawgs tonight apparently

They must have taken my banning privileges, because I can't ban the guy.

[starkvegasdawg]

Every person on this board with a twitter acct needs to blow up Mullen's phone with tweets about the 1b. He needs to here loud and clear enough is enough.

[maroonmania]

Well, I could have driven a truck through the hole on the TD run.

[cheewgumm]

They have literally destroyed us with one play. One.

[mstate68]

Every person on this board with a twitter acct needs to blow up Mullen's phone with tweets about the 1b. He needs to here loud and clear enough is enough.

He'll just look and laugh on the way to the bank.

[msstate7]

One thing is obvious, and y'all know me when it comes to defending most coaches, we need a total overhaul on defense. It cost us big this year. We had the offense to win it all, for the first time in my memory. We have had that defense before, but NOT this year. The biggest step has already happened. Good riddence. We will see if anything else is coming.

I'm beginning to believe the claims that this is mullen's defense. There's no way Id DC for mullen with him insisting on this 1b, ultra conservative crap

[Todd4State]

Remember about a month ago when I said that Dan doesn't deserve a raise?


THIS IS WHY.

[Political Hack]

Am I still an asshat for saying we should be concerned about GaTech?

[CadaverDawg]

It's a FB dive and they are whipping our ass with it. Make a damn adjustment. I swear we must have the dumbest sumbitches in the country on our sidelines. James Madison, or some shitass team like that almost beat GT this year, yet they are pounding our ass with 1 play. Mullen has to be the only coach in history that can win 10 games and still make you want to knock his ass out.

[maroonmania]

sometimes you get some in game shifts

Townsend and staff haven't made one adjustment to anything. They are LOST.

[Todd4State]

I'm beginning to believe the claims that this is mullen's defense. There's no way Id DC for mullen with him insisting on this 1b, ultra conservative crap

And unofficially:

1A- 7 drives, 21 points allowed

1B- 3 drives 21 points allowed

1A/1B mixed- 7 points.

[starkvegasdawg]

He'll just look and laugh on the way to the bank.

He may well. Maybe tweet strick too that support will be withheld with garbage like this being out on the field. Between this and watching basketball I am just sick.

[War Machine Dawg]

Remember about a month ago when I said that Dan doesn't deserve a raise?


THIS IS WHY.

Agree. He'll get one, but he shouldn't.

[Todd4State]

Townsend and staff haven't made one adjustment to anything. They are LOST.

I hope we drop Turner and Townsend off in Gainesville on the way back.

[thunderclap]

We have been destroyed by the dive. The dive.

[CadaverDawg]

The Dak scramble and pass.....haven't seen that since A&M

[BulldogBear]

They must have taken my banning privileges, because I can't ban the guy.

That's a pity. I miss the banhammer already.

[Smitty]

Remember about a month ago when I said that Dan doesn't deserve a raise?


THIS IS WHY.

Give him his raise but stipulate that it has to go towards a DC.

[CadaverDawg]

Our defense has absolutely quit. No pride. It's embarrassing as shit. How does that happen with a bunch of Seniors? Do they just not give a shit? I'd be pissed.

[Todd4State]

Agree. He'll get one, but he shouldn't.

Just because Ole Miss is overpaying doesn't mean we have too. This isn't an auction.

[Liverpooldawg]

Remember about a month ago when I said that Dan doesn't deserve a raise?


THIS IS WHY.
This sucks tonight but you have to look at things objectively. This is only THIRD 10 win season in school history. You give him a raise and you give him a damn BIG one. If we don't we can kiss ever being a serious contender goodby forever. We have a documented history of being foolish so you probably will get your misguided wish.

[defiantdog]

Anyone else notice that Ga Tech's players "cramp" every time we move the ball.

[Todd4State]

Give him his raise but stipulate that it has to go towards a DC.

Hell no. Tell him this shit is unacceptable. Don't reward his hardheadedness.

[DovaDawg]

J Rob not helping his NFL draft stock tonight

[War Machine Dawg]

Just because Ole Miss is overpaying doesn't mean we have too. This isn't an auction.

I agree, but the fact is that he just took us to a 10-win season. Regardless of how we faded down the stretch, Strick will say that is deserving of a raise.

[99jc]

Anyone else notice that Ga Tech's players "cramp" every time we move the ball.

been saying this all night

[DovaDawg]

Anyone else notice that Ga Tech's players "cramp" every time we move the ball.

Noticed that also

[CadaverDawg]

That's the perfect ending to this shit show. We did that same shit vs Bama and OM, and still didn't learn how to score inside the 10

[maroonmania]

Robinson should have caught that one.

[Bothrops]

J Rob not helping his NFL draft stock tonight

Yeah not sure what he thinks he'll be doing for the NFL

[War Machine Dawg]

J Rob not helping his NFL draft stock tonight

J-Rob: 15/75, 5.8 YPC. That's right around his career average. The problem is our ****ing HC who stopped committing to running the football the second half of the season and giving J-Rob carries.

[99jc]

we need to fire townsend tonight

[maroonmania]

This reminds me of watching our 2012 defense trying to stop Johnny Manziel.

[CadaverDawg]

Safe to say that Deshea ruined his slim chance at a promotion. This performance is Torbush/Wilson-esque

[Liverpooldawg]

J Rob not helping his NFL draft stock tonight

He better come back. I'm not sure he even gets drafted.

[msstate7]

We are a 10-win fraud imo. If auburn loses tomorrow, we won't have beaten a ranked team as far as final poll goes.

[PMDawg]

And the nerdy little bitch fans from GT start the SEC chant. Maybe a few of them will lose their virginity to other nerds tonight and make little genius babies.

[maroonmania]

See, it really doesn't matter where on the field the GT offense starts.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

J Rob is a good college back, but he's not going to make it on the next level. Hope he has his degree.

[99jc]

why lord why could i not have been born a bama fan. i have been in hell for 54 years

[thunderclap]

And I just thought Oxford was embarrassing.

[SignalToNoise]

We suck.

[cheewgumm]

Hard to watch a team run basically one play and get 8 yards a carry.

[CadaverDawg]

If I wanted to watch this, I would have not flushed the toilet earlier and stared into it for 4 hours

[99jc]

finallyat the end we hit that punk fuk and hurt him

[99jc]

If I wanted to watch this, I would have not flushed the toilet earlier and stared into it for 4 hours

lol quit making me laugh

[CadaverDawg]

Even if we could get 10 yards last drive, we would be driving to cut the game to one score. But nope....can't get 10 yards in 4 tries.

[Smitty]

We are a 10-win fraud imo. If auburn loses tomorrow, we won't have beaten a ranked team as far as final poll goes.

Slightly better version of 2012... Slightly. Smoke and mirraz as always.

[Bothrops]

One bright star in an increasingly foggy distance is receiver. We have WR's

[Maroonthirteen]

I hear ya 99. been watching this a long time. seen maybe a 100 different coaches and 100s of players. I just laugh at the post talking about coach O this guy that guy...... the "same as it ever was"...

[Liverpooldawg]

We are a 10-win fraud imo. If auburn loses tomorrow, we won't have beaten a ranked team as far as final poll goes.

Better that than a legit 10 loss team. I remeber those. I'm on record as saying this is an unsuccessful season because we lost the Egg Bowl. That stands but my god the standard for for unsuccessful seasons has been totally raised beyond all recognition, you give Dan a big raise and move on. The real measure of a PROGRAM is the lows, not the highs. We are light years ahead of where we have been under any coach but McKeen. We fired him because he wasn't winning big enough or with style. We have never recovered from that yet. We are closer to doing it than we have ever been though. PLEASE don't do it again.

[CadaverDawg]

Punch it in last drive, and it's an 8 point game

[War Machine Dawg]

Yay for garbage time TDs. #MoralVictory

[Coach007]

The melt by some of you is simple stupidity. We were ranked #1 and you are acting like spoiled children. Bet most of you acting like that want Mullen and staff gone.


Friggin idiots.

[VandelayIndustries]

Bear Wilson is a beast.

[VandelayIndustries]

The melt by some of you is simple stupidity. We were ranked #1 and you are acting like spoiled children. Bet most of you acting like that want Mullen and staff gone.


Friggin idiots.

I hear ya but it's tough to swallow how the season ended

[99jc]

i never want mullen gone just want to punch him the throat and rip his nuts out

[War Machine Dawg]

The melt by some of you is simple stupidity. We were ranked #1 and you are acting like spoiled children. Bet most of you acting like that want Mullen and staff gone.


Friggin idiots.

It's a game thread. I'm normally the voice of reason, but you have to understand venting while the game is being played. Better than beating our wives/girlfriends like Bammers. Shit man, everyone will calm down in a couple of days. If you can't handle it, then I suggest you avoid the board until next week.

[Coach007]

Well.. That's acceptable.

[HancockCountyDog]

I'm going to bed, but this was worst case scenario.

We get our asses kicked while Dak plays awesome, just awesome.

If Dak leaves early I'll be sick. His play tonight certainly could lead tonthat happening , he was fantastic.

[Bothrops]

Remember GT is mostly made of 2 and 3 stars recruits. But they are coached up and they are smart.

[cheewgumm]

Well that was horrible

[DownwardDawg]

The melt by some of you is simple stupidity. We were ranked #1 and you are acting like spoiled children. Bet most of you acting like that want Mullen and staff gone.


Friggin idiots.

So you are ok with looking like we do right now? TCU dominated ole miss on the LOS. We got pushed around like school girls by ole miss. G Tech has the easiest offense to prepare for in a bowl game and we look like we've never seen this offense before. We were way over rated this year. Our entire division was over rated.

[CadaverDawg]

The melt by some of you is simple stupidity. We were ranked #1 and you are acting like spoiled children. Bet most of you acting like that want Mullen and staff gone.


Friggin idiots.

Yea, can't believe there isn't more happiness in this thread.*

[Bulldogbeing]

Mullen/Dak can't win the big ones...

[mstatefan91]

One of the shittiest defensive performances I've ever seen...

[Liverpooldawg]

The melt by some of you is simple stupidity. We were ranked #1 and you are acting like spoiled children. Bet most of you acting like that want Mullen and staff gone.


Friggin idiots.
Post of the night.

[Todd4State]

The melt by some of you is simple stupidity. We were ranked #1 and you are acting like spoiled children. Bet most of you acting like that want Mullen and staff gone.


Friggin idiots.

Bullshit. We had a chance to go 13-0 and we pissed it away. Yeah- we went 10-3 and those 3 were the games I cared about the most. Let's go throw a party and play grabass.

[mstatefan91]

Mullen/Dak can't win the big ones...
Yeah cause Dak can stop the Tech rushing attack.. just put him at linebacker.

Put Mullen in that category if you want. Leave Dak out. This isn't on him.

[DownwardDawg]

Mullen/Dak can't win the big ones...

At LSU was pretty big...... Rebel. How'd bo do today?

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Hate that Griffin didn't get to see the field in his last game after all he went through.

[BulldogBear]

Yea, can't believe there isn't more happiness in this thread.*

Sunshine meet Pumper? Or is it the other way around?****

[BulldogBear]

Whoever has the hammer power, dust it off

[Bothrops]

10 wins is our ceiling folks. Let's keep that in mind. May not happen again for a long ass time.

[TopDog58]

Can we ban Liverpooldawg? What an idiot!

[Liverpooldawg]

It's a game thread. I'm normally the voice of reason, but you have to understand venting while the game is being played. Better than beating our wives/girlfriends like Bammers. Shit man, everyone will calm down in a couple of days. If you can't handle it, then I suggest you avoid the board until next week.

Maybe you need to learn how to handle a REAL voice of reason. Those people have ever bit as much a right to voice their opinion as the sky is falling crowd. more right if you ask me. We just finished a 10 win season in football. Rick Ray this ain't.

[cheewgumm]

We had our worst game plans in our biggest games of the season and State history.... Bama, Ole Miss U. We got worked like a speed bag on the biggest
Bowl on a huge national stage.

I never thought 10 wins would be this disappointing.

[TopDog58]

Maybe you need to learn how to handle a REAL voice of reason. Those people have ever bit as much a right to voice their opinion as the sky is falling crowd. more right if you ask me. We just finished a 10 win season in football. Rick Ray this ain't.
Go away looser!

[DownwardDawg]

Whoever has the hammer power, dust it off

Give the hammer back to cadaver. He used it better than anybody.

[mstate68]

10 wins is our ceiling folks. Let's keep that in mind. May not happen again for a long ass time.

We'll probably win 8-9 next year just because of Dak then go back to our 6-6 average with an 8-4 sprinkled in.

[Liverpooldawg]

Can we ban Liverpooldawg? What an idiot!

If you want to ban me for refusing to throw in the towel and give up after a 10 win season then go right ahead. We had a 10 win season in football folks. Tonight sucked. The EggBowl sucked but this is only the third 10 win season in school history. You give Mullen a raise, and we will., then you work at getting better.

[Bulldogbeing]

The egg bowl was a big one too....

[Todd4State]

We'll probably win 8-9 next year just because of Dak then go back to our 6-6 average with an 8-4 sprinkled in.

We'll go as far as Dak takes us.

[Liverpooldawg]

Can we ban Liverpooldawg? What an idiot!

Ban me? I thought you were into physically threatening people like you did me earlier tonight.

[maroonmania]

10 wins is our ceiling folks. Let's keep that in mind. May not happen again for a long ass time.

I tend to agree. Took a lot of things going right and some other SEC teams down a little to pull of what we did this year.

[CadaverDawg]

Give the hammer back to cadaver. He used it better than anybody.

Apparently all of my fellow mods have taken the evening off....somebody needs to do a little house cleaning. (And while I think Liverpool is wrong and dramatic, I am not referring to banning him). There are several trolls here tonight, and they must be trying to get something good out of the day since their Bears got their shit punched in today. 42-3, click an ad.

[Liverpooldawg]

Just keep inching that ceiling up. That's what it's all about.

[CadaverDawg]

Just keep inching that ceiling up. That's what it's all about.

No it isn't. You also have to at least give yourself the best opportunity to win in situations like tonight. We don't do that. Had 3 chances this year....shit the bed thrice.

[Liverpooldawg]

Apparently all of my fellow mods have taken the evening off....somebody needs to do a little house cleaning. (And while I think Liverpool is wrong and dramatic, I am not referring to banning him). There are several trolls here tonight, and they must be trying to get something good out of the day since their Bears got their shit punched in today. 42-3, click an ad.
Thanks. I have some strong opinions, and as I have said before some of them would totally suprise you and a bunch of others. I just don't voice those. I can see through those though because whatever those are, I still think Mullen is our best hope to get back to the McKeen years. I've thought that all along because he doesn't accept what we have done for years. He changed the culture, but it ain't all changed yet. This ain't a short term thing. It can't be and have any chance to work. By the way, I wouldn't ban anyone based on Gameday crap, unless they are exposed as Rebels by their words. That's just me though. Whoever runs the place can do what they want, with me too.

[Liverpooldawg]

No it isn't. You also have to at least give yourself the best opportunity to win in situations like tonight. We don't do that. Had 3 chances this year....shit the bed thrice.

Well, maybe so. But we ain't been in these situations since 1999 at least. That and 98 were the only times I have ever seen us in something remotely comparable in my 51 years. What you do is work like heck to get yourself in these situations more often . Sooner or later you get over the hump. I've been a part of it on another level. It took 10 years in a much easier ( relatively speaking) league.