Oregon state basketball thread

[msstate7]

Craptastic start

[Jacksondevildog]

We haven't won a game on the road in two years. I don't see why today would be any different. Oregon State isn't any good either.

[HailState39110]

Craptastic start

2 points and 4 turnovers to start the game . Down 10-2

[msstate7]

12-2... Ray's losing me at warp speed

[MaxedOutMaroon]

I've been a Ray supporter, but this is garbage and on him. He's losing me too

[Irondawg]

Sword looks completely out of control

[Jacksondevildog]

16-4 now against a middle of the road Pac 12 team with less than half of the arena filled. We can't get a shot off at the goal today. We cannot shoot as a team. We are a walking ACL injury year after year. We play great defense for a possession to force a 35 foot three pointer and of course Oregon State banks it in. Just craptastic all around.

[Raytoraid83]

Is the game not on watchespn?

[msstate7]

Is the game not on watchespn?

No. Little something to be thankful for this Christmas season

[maroonmania]

18-4 now, perhaps this thread should be cancelled.

[Raytoraid83]

No. Little something to be thankful for this Christmas season

Good point.

[msstate7]

18-8... Need a stop

[War Machine Dawg]

16-4 now against a middle of the road Pac 12 team with less than half of the arena filled. We can't get a shot off at the goal today. We cannot shoot as a team. We are a walking ACL injury year after year. We play great defense for a possession to force a 35 foot three pointer and of course Oregon State banks it in. Just craptastic all around.

Since we've had all of 1 ACL injury under Ray to date.

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[Raytoraid83]

Since we've had all of 1 ACL injury under Ray to date.

http://i.imgur.com/aDotpg6.gif

Zuppardo, Wendell, jalen. Might be missing one...

[Jacksondevildog]

Demetrius Houston I believe

[engie]

Is the game not on watchespn?

Pac12 networks

[Liverpooldawg]

So Engie, who is this guy that says this team is as good as Stans' last team?

[engie]

No

[engie]

Playing like we've got tampons on our shoulders**

[maroonmania]

Pretty obvious, we can't shoot for shit. Over 12 minutes in and we have 10 points.

[CadaverDawg]

What's the score?

[msstate7]

What's the score?

20-10

[whosyourdawgy]

Is it live streaming anywhere. Sorry if posted

[msstate7]

Fred! Back to back 3s

[HailState39110]

6 straight points . Down 21-16

[engie]

21-16 now. Thomas just hit back to back 3's to put us back in it.

[msstate7]

Ndoye good d

[engie]

Fred with two more on the pull-up J to put us within 3...

[msstate7]

Fred 8 straight points

[Coach34]

23-18 Beavers

[msstate7]

Can't quit fouling...

[engie]

Damn it Daniels, you are either passive or you get happy feet and walk every damn time you touch the ball. Time for you to step up.

[engie]

Bloodman and 1!

23-20 with free throw upcoming

[Coach34]

Oregon State has only 3 fouls in 16 minutes

[Irondawg]

We are getting called for a lot of ticky tack fouls that are giving them free throws. We just have to quit fouling and turning it over carelessly

[msstate7]

Oregon State has only 3 fouls in 16 minutes

And we have 33

[maroonmania]

17-6 run for the Dogs. Too bad we got off to such a poor start.

[engie]

We are getting called for a lot of ticky tack fouls that are giving them free throws. We just have to quit fouling and turning it over carelessly

At least they are missing the freethrows...

Need a stop with the 1 sec shot clock here and to go down and score to get it even...

[maroonmania]

We are getting called for a lot of ticky tack fouls that are giving them free throws. We just have to quit fouling and turning it over carelessly

That's the one common thing between Stans' teams and Ray's teams, both very sloppy with turning over the basketball.

[msstate7]

At least they are missing the freethrows...

Need a stop with the 1 sec shot clock here and to go down and score to get it even...

They've got 2 buckets including a 3 as the shot clock expired. Can't let that happen again

[Coach34]

Richard Williams is great on the radio

[engie]

Daniels is really pissing me off in this game.

[Irondawg]

We look atrocious against the zone.

[engie]

Because Fred was torching them -- went right down the other way and picked up his second foul -- and has had his ass on the bench the last 5 minutes...

Daniels with his seemingly 17th TO in this game

[Coach34]

zone is tough when you cant shoot from the outside very well

[Irondawg]

We are one of the worst passing teams I have ever seen and then we completely fall asleep on d and give up a wide open 3 at the end of the half

[msstate7]

I'm trying to convince myself we'll come back and win this thing, but I just can't. I was hopeful for this season. If we lose this 3rd straight game against comparable teams, I might have to admit everyone was right about ray.

[engie]

It's a big game for sure. Alot of time left though. We've got to have someone other than Thomas start making shots for us.

[HancockCountyDog]

I'm trying to convince myself we'll come back and win this thing, but I just can't. I was hopeful for this season. If we lose this 3rd straight game against comparable teams, I might have to admit everyone was right about ray.

I'm just glad I don't get the Pac 12 network. I would just get frustrated.

I hope our guys win. 23 points in a half is depressing.

[maroonmania]

It's a big game for sure. Alot of time left though. We've got to have someone other than Thomas start making shots for us.

Who? Thomas is the only even average outside shooter we have. If you could add a Jalen Steele type shooter to this team we would be so much better.

[engie]

Who? Thomas is the only even average outside shooter we have. If you could add a Jalen Steele type shooter to this team we would be so much better.

Ready can shoot, Daniels can shoot, Houston can shoot, etc...

They just aren't doing it. That's the most frustrating part.

[msstate7]

Who? Thomas is the only even average outside shooter we have. If you could add a Jalen Steele type shooter to this team we would be so much better.

Might be good to give Dunlap more mins. He will be a good shooter for us imo. Just not sure he's ready, but we need shooting bad

[Jacksondevildog]

Houston is out today with an injury.

[maroonmania]

Ready can shoot, Daniels can shoot, Houston can shoot, etc...

They just aren't doing it. That's the most frustrating part.

Houston is a slasher athlete, not a shooter. Ready and Daniels can shoot some but they are not guys you count on consistently in games. If those are the guys you are counting on to be our "zone busters" we are in sad shape.

[msstate7]

Lead to 10 agaib

[msstate7]

11 point lead... Ray shouldn't get another year if we collapse again this year.

[maroonmania]

And to 13

[HailState39110]

Down 13 . Sword looks awful

[msstate7]

Sword = 6 TO's. Lead 13

[engie]

These refs are doing us no damn favors.

I'm so sick of daniels' halfass shots he second-guesses the whole time he puts it up and ALWAYS leaves on the front of the rim.

What a shitshow.

[maroonmania]

I knew today was likely to go poorly because even though OSU is not a good team, they are better than Tulane.

[Irondawg]

We might as well just shoot from half court and try to get an offensive rebound putback.

There is no excuse for being this poor offensively

[engie]

Houston is a slasher athlete, not a shooter. Ready and Daniels can shoot some but they are not guys you count on consistently in games. If those are the guys you are counting on to be our "zone busters" we are in sad shape.

Houston can shoot the 3. Just because the guy is athletic doesn't mean that he can't.

[Irondawg]

Daniels has been a massive disappointment as well. Looks like he's playing about half speed

[msstate7]

These refs are doing us no damn favors.

I'm so sick of daniels' halfass shots he second-guesses the whole time he puts it up and ALWAYS leaves on the front of the rim.

What a shitshow.

And it's getting time to really question the maestro of this shitshow

[maroonmania]

Holding our opponent to 38% shooting, only problem is we are 30%.

[HailState39110]

Sword first points of the year!

[engie]

Payton out. Time to make another run now.

How the F do we continually miss layups?

[Bothrops]

Oh gross..this shit is gonna kill me, and I already had diarrhea from watching the second half of the All-star game

[maroonmania]

Houston can shoot the 3. Just because the guy is athletic doesn't mean that he can't.

Based on what? The dude is 1-8 on threes for the season. EVERYONE I've heard comment on this team has said Houston's weakness is his perimeter shooting.

[engie]

Daniels with a dumb foul. Promptly giving them a layup.

[msstate7]

Can we play defense without fouling?

[maroonmania]

Daniels has been a massive disappointment as well. Looks like he's playing about half speed

I'm sorry but don't see how anyone that only averaged 12 pts/gm in JUCO could be counted on to be an impact scorer consistently in the SEC.

[engie]

Based on what? The dude is 1-8 on threes for the season. EVERYONE I've heard comment on this team has said Houston's weakness is his perimeter shooting.

Are we really going to have this Thomas can't shoot the 3, quit throwing it up!!!1!1** conversation?

That dude can shoot -- IDGAF if he started 1-8 or that he hasn't figured it out yet. Watch him stroke when the bright lights aren't on for yourself. At some point in a career, that generally translates to the game.

[engie]

I'm sorry but don't see how anyone that only averaged 12 pts/gm in JUCO could be counted on to be an impact scorer consistently in the SEC.

He played out of position in JUCO.

Daniels is probably our most talented overall player. But he's a damn mental case.

[shannondawg]

I take it we are losing.

[Irondawg]

I'm sorry but don't see how anyone that only averaged 12 pts/gm in JUCO could be counted on to be an impact scorer consistently in the SEC.

Well I just thought he might could hit a wide open perimeter shot but he can't do that and look lethargic in other aspects of the game

[maroonmania]

Are we really going to have this Thomas can't shoot the 3, quit throwing it up!!!1!1** conversation?

That dude can shoot -- IDGAF if he started 1-8...

OK, Ndoye can shoot, I don't care what anybody says.

[engie]

OK, Ndoye can shoot, I don't care what anybody says.

Look -- if you don't know a shooter when you see one, I can't explain it to you in a way that you'll actually understand. I'll just take the same pounding that I did on Thomas before I'm eventually proven correct and everyone denies that they ever argued with me about it.

[msstate7]

F'n pathetic

[engie]

I'm so f'n pissed at this effort. We're not even trying on the defensive end. Getting outworked. Like a bunch of bitches. No fire from the team, no fire from Ray, just more ****ing layups.

[Coach34]

15 offensive rebounds- no excuse for that

[msstate7]

I'm so f'n pissed at this effort. We're not even trying on the defensive end. Getting outworked. Like a bunch of bitches. No fire from the team, no fire from Ray, just more ****ing layups.

Ray is too comfortable. It's time to let him know this will be his last season if things don't change quickly

[maroonmania]

Never thought I would say this, but maybe its time we focused all of our basketball interests on the women's team. :(

[CadaverDawg]

Score?

[Irondawg]

We show every sign imaginable of a poorly coached team. I think ray is digging his own grave

[Coach007]

I'm so f'n pissed at this effort. We're not even trying on the defensive end. Getting outworked. Like a bunch of bitches. No fire from the team, no fire from Ray, just more ****ing layups.


We can't make a shot 3 feet from the basket.


Seriously, Ray needs to be let go.

[maroonmania]

Look -- if you don't know a shooter when you see one, I can't explain it to you in a way that you'll actually understand. I'll just take the same pounding that I did on Thomas before I'm eventually proven correct and everyone denies that they ever argued with me about it.

I don't want to keep this topic going but Thomas was KNOWN as a shooter in HS and it was a surprise to everyone when he struggled shooting at the collegiate level. Houston did not come out of Carver with the reputation of being an outside shooter by any means. But hey, I would love for you to be right.

[engie]

51-42 OSU. We're making a run. This game and the adversity from it is a huge measuring stick. The last couple of trips down the floor have me feeling a little better. A little.

[engie]

Down 6, 5 to go. OSU ball.

Payton out with 4fouls...

[engie]

Down 4,
4:23 to go

OSU ball and time out. We've got the possession arrow.

[msstate7]

51-42 OSU. We're making a run. This game and the adversity from it is a huge measuring stick. The last couple of trips down the floor have me feeling a little better. A little.

Start of the game and start of 2nd half gonna be too much to overcome.

[Jacksondevildog]

When you have marginal talent, the coaching has to be superb. We don't have great talent and there are times that we look like we haven't practiced in weeks.

[msstate7]

I cut it off and we made a run. I'm not cutting back on. You're my eyes and ears engie

[maroonmania]

Immediately give up a 3 out of the TO.

[engie]

We pulled close and gave up a wide open 3. Fully expect to turn it over here and them to ice it.

[Coach007]

Wow..... play decent defense and with 3 left on the shot clock, we leave a guy open for the 3.

[engie]

There's the Sword we know! Back within 5, 2:40 to go

[engie]

We've got 2 of their key players in with 4 fouls here. Got possession of the ball, the arrow, and may be shooting 1 and 1 here... down 5 with 2 mins to go...

[engie]

We are shooting 1 and 1. Both of their 2 leading scorers are taking a break with 4 fouls right now...

[Coach34]

missed 1 and 1 killer

[engie]

****in down 5 -- 1 and 1 with 2 mins left -- and we've got our whole damn team at half court. Sword misses front end of course....

[Coach34]

and turnover

We just refuse to win

[engie]

Then we get fast break 2 on 1 with chance to pull within possession and Roquez walks directly under the damn rim.

[engie]

There's the ****ing dagger

[Jacksondevildog]

Then we get fast break 2 on 1 with chance to pull within possession and Roquez walks directly under the damn rim.

He would have missed the dunk anyway.

[engie]

We're done.

I understand the free throw strategy at times, but it was just ****ing stupid right there. Down 5. You are in the bonus with a foul to give. 1 and 1. Badly missed. And no one there to get the friggin rebound.

[maroonmania]

****in down 5 -- 1 and 1 with 2 mins left -- and we've got our whole damn team at half court. Sword misses front end of course....

That is just freakin' stupid putting all your other players at half court when you are desparate to score and your guy is shooting a 1 and 1. Just conceding possession if your guy misses. I thought Ray was suppose to be reasonably intelligent.

[Jacksondevildog]

When I heard it was Chicken with 1 and 1, I knew it was coming off the rim. We dug ourselves too big of a hole early and couldn't make stops late.

[maroonmania]

Wow, didn't even break the 50 point mark. Nice.

[HailState39110]

Can't win a lot games when you score 49 points

[engie]

What a crock of shit that game was

[Coach34]

Got to make the 1 and 1 down 5...then you have to convert the fast break right after. Should have been a 1 point game at that point

It's those things that cause you to lose- plain and simple

[CJDAWG85]

This is year 3 and we clearly haven't turned the corner... Ray better find answer soon

[JOHNHEVESYMADE]

And slick Rick moves to 1-23 on the road. Good thing the "program changer" IJ played well*****

[engie]

On the bright side, Sword actually found his drive late as well as hitting 2 3's, and IJ got going a little bit too...

We're still ****ed RPI-wise.

[CadaverDawg]

Long time til baseball season.

http://knuckleballsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/fanswearingbags.jpg

[shannondawg]

I don't think that RPI is something that we need to be concerned with.


On the bright side, Sword actually found his drive late as well as hitting 2 3's, and IJ got going a little bit too...

We're still ****ed RPI-wise.

[Jacksondevildog]

No kidding. RPI for what? The NCAA's? Tournament teams don't lose to Tulane on the road.

[starkvegasdawg]

Second time in a matter of a few weeks we've gotten our ass kicked by a beaver.

[engie]

I don't think that RPI is something that we need to be concerned with.

It's something we always need to be concerned with. I took 2 years off from it. Now, I will worry about it until the day I'm 100% sure it's time for us to go another direction.

We have to win 20 to have any shot whatsoever of making the NIT with this bunch given our projected SOS. It's a very tall order and we haven't done ourselves any favors so far.

If we aren't going to be at least on the NIT bubble this year, I'd just as soon prefer us crash and burn to the extent that we can start over. 15-15 is the absolute worst case scenario for the future of our program in my opinion.

[thedawg]

I have been firmly in the give Rick Ray time corner
. He needs a win or two like a real win or two or I'm gonna stray from his corner

[engie]

No kidding. RPI for what? The NCAA's? Tournament teams don't lose to Tulane on the road.

Tulane is and was better than Oregon St.

[Jacksondevildog]

Tulane is and was better than Oregon St.

That may be true, but it's close. Losing at Tulane isnt like losing at Some marginal BCS conference school. We will see how good Tulane is as the year progresses. The same can be said about us.

[HailState39110]

Oregon state has a 1st year head coach and was picked to finish last in the PAC12

[engie]

Losing at Tulane isnt like losing at Some marginal BCS conference school.

You do realize that they are in a "BCS" basketball conference now, don't you?

[Jacksondevildog]

Oregon state has a 1st year head coach and was picked to finish last in the PAC12

I wasn't talking about Oregon State. People building up Tulane like they are Creighton a few years back. They are very average to below average. If we lost a close game at Texas or something like that, it would be different. This board would have blown every server a few years back if we lost at TULANE. Now, we are like, "Well, Tulane is good and all."

[engie]

Calling a team/loss less shitty doesn't = calling it good.

[Quaoarsking]

Tulane is in the AAC, the same conference as the defending national champion. Not that it's "OK" to lose to them or anything, but it's not like we lost to NJIT or something.

[tcdog70]

What a crock of shit that game was


But,but-y'all said what great floor coach Ray is. That bullshit of no rebounders when we shoot free throws is insane.Are there one Pro Team doing that.

[tcdog70]

Daniels has been a massive disappointment as well. Looks like he's playing about half speed

Why is this a mystery. He averaged around ten points a game in JuCo .why would anybody think He would score more in the SEC. Travis was hyped to be a huge talent along with Ready. They are average sofar

[preachermatt83]

Look -- if you don't know a shooter when you see one, I can't explain it to you in a way that you'll actually understand. I'll just take the same pounding that I did on Thomas before I'm eventually proven correct and everyone denies that they ever argued with me about it.

don't worry. You wont have to very much longer..

[gravedigger]

Fact is the basketball season is too intertwined w football. Losses just dont resonate in basketball. We lost 3 of 4 and one to a shitty ole miss team the year we went to the final 4. We arent that team but we arent shit. either.

[msstate7]

Look at the scores during our 3-game losing streak...

Tcu 61
State 52

Tulane 59
State 54

Oregon st 59
State 49

Those are very similar scores.

[Dawg61]

It's something we always need to be concerned with. I took 2 years off from it. Now, I will worry about it until the day I'm 100% sure it's time for us to go another direction.

We have to win 20 to have any shot whatsoever of making the NIT with this bunch given our projected SOS. It's a very tall order and we haven't done ourselves any favors so far.

If we aren't going to be at least on the NIT bubble this year, I'd just as soon prefer us crash and burn to the extent that we can start over. 15-15 is the absolute worst case scenario for the future of our program in my opinion.

We won't win 15 games this year. You can spot shooters but you can't spot a bad team yet? Hmm think about that for a long time Engie. It's not going to be a smooth transition for you over to the this team sucks ass crowd. You're loyal to a fault. You want for Ray to be good so bad it has blinded you to the reality of the product on the floor. We are horrible and I've been saying it for 2 and a half years now. Spot that.

[engie]

You are psychobabbling full of shit as usual. While being a quitter. Also as usual.

[Coach34]

It's time for Ray to start winning games- thats the bottom line. TCU is going to end up being decent- but these last 2 losses were toss-ups that needed to be won. 3-15 in the SEC this year will be unacceptable. Get better or get gone. We'll see how it plays out

[Goat from MSU]

I would not get on Dawg too bad ,he wants to see us win as much as anyone. If the ship is not righted quick this could get ugly by mid January. Daniels needs a fire lit under his ass for one thing
You are psychobabbling full of shit as usual. While being a quitter. Also as usual.

[Coach007]

You are psychobabbling full of shit as usual. While being a quitter. Also as usual.



I've seen enough. I saw enough last year. If the AD has not, he's blind. If the AD did not develop a plan at the end of last season to start a coaching evaluation of possible replacements for the end of this season, he doesn't care.

I have seen it stated too many times that Stans ran this team in the ground. If that holds true for him, what do we call what has happened now? Were in a hole, now popped up in China? Maybe we can find a Yao Ming while there.

[engie]

I've seen enough. I saw enough last year. If the AD has not, he's blind. If the AD did not develop a plan at the end of last season to start a coaching evaluation of possible replacements for the end of this season, he doesn't care.

I have seen it stated too many times that Stans ran this team in the ground. If that holds true for him, what do we call what has happened now? Were in a hole, now popped up in China? Maybe we can find a Yao Ming while there.

2 years of rebuilding. It's time to be on a steep uphill climb now. It's still ridiculous to define what the season can be based on a couple of disappointing early losses. That's what D61 doesn't understand and never will. He's going to continue flipping out and wanting to cut guys that turn into 45% 3 point shooters because they struggle at any point in their careers. It's who he is at this point...

[Political Hack]

2 years of rebuilding. It's time to be on a steep uphill climb now. It's still ridiculous to define what the season can be based on a couple of disappointing early losses. That's what D61 doesn't understand and never will. He's going to continue flipping out and wanting to cut guys that turn into 45% 3 point shooters because they struggle at any point in their careers. It's who he is at this point...

it's not the few losses. it's the lack of any quality wins. in 3 years we've probably got under 5 quality wins. That's unacceptable. He's got half a season to get it corrected or the Hump will be behind tennis in attendance.

[Coach007]

I don't want to cut anybody but the coach. For me, it's time. He needs to feel the heat, and the AD needs to be searching with the understanding that unless he wins "x" amount of games, he's replaced.

The SEC is getting stronger. You have Auburn with a good hire, UT with a good hire, Arkansas coming on, and Stans at A&M bringing in great players. If this was not his year to make a little noise, it will not be next year without major recruits.

[Dawg61]

2 years of rebuilding. It's time to be on a steep uphill climb now. It's still ridiculous to define what the season can be based on a couple of disappointing early losses. That's what D61 doesn't understand and never will. He's going to continue flipping out and wanting to cut guys that turn into 45% 3 point shooters because they struggle at any point in their careers. It's who he is at this point...

Fred made some 3's vs OSU. Weeeee.

[msstate7]

Fred made some 3's vs OSU. Weeeee.

Fred scored 16 with 9 rebounds. He avg's 13 pts and 4.8 rebs. He's our best defender. What's your problem with Fred?

[engie]

it's not the few losses. it's the lack of any quality wins. in 3 years we've probably got under 5 quality wins. That's unacceptable. He's got half a season to get it corrected or the Hump will be behind tennis in attendance.

Just like baseball was in year 3... He's got 10-15 opportunities for quality wins remaining.

[engie]

Fred scored 16 with 9 rebounds. He avg's 13 pts and 4.8 rebs. He's our best defender. What's your problem with Fred?

His problem is that he can't take back how full retard he went about him last season...

[Quaoarsking]

Thing is, even if Ray does turn in some improvement, the usual suspects will be demanding his firing every year regardless.

Don't believe me? Just remember how lots of people were demanding to fire Cohen during Year 3 (the year we ended up 6 outs from Omaha despite a shaky start), Year 3 (the year we won the SECT), Year 5 (the year we finished 2nd in the country), and Year 6 (the year we finished 18-12, our best SEC record since the 1980s).

Every year, the same people forget what happened the previous year and get back on the "fire Cohen" bandwagon. It really doesn't matter if Ray does turn it around -- the usual suspects will demand his firing 1 one from now regardless, and 2 years from now, and 3 years from now, etc.

[Dawg61]

Fred scored 16 with 9 rebounds. He avg's 13 pts and 4.8 rebs. He's our best defender. What's your problem with Fred?

I don't have a problem with Fred. He has played much better lately. Engie keeps bringing him up like it changes the fact that we suck ass. An awful basketball program is my problem not Fred.

[engie]

I don't have a problem with Fred. He has played much better lately. Engie keeps bringing him up like it changes the fact that we suck ass. An awful basketball program is my problem not Fred.

I bring it up because it's just another in a long line of examples that show how ridiculously impulsive you are... You are -- and always have been -- a prisoner to the last 15 seconds.

[Dawg61]

I bring it up because it's just another in a long line of examples that show how ridiculously impulsive you are... You are -- and always have been -- a prisoner to the last 15 seconds.

Maybe so. I don't need the building to be a pile of ash before I decide it's on fire. Fred has played better. Nobody is denying that. Maybe Fred heard some of it and it motivated him.