Just rewatched that false start from inside the BAma 1. Who has that pic?

[blacklistedbully]

Somebody here posted a pic of the LOS just prior to the false start. I just now took another look at that play, and it sure does seem like it should've been a penalty on Bama instead of us.

The question I have for coaches is, does the movement in the neutral zone have to be going forward to make it on the defense, or is it just any movement in the neutral zone prior to the snap that results in an O-lineman moving?

In looking at the video, it seems quite apparent #33 for Bama is not only lined WAY past the neutral zone, even into the O-line's LOS, but it's his sudden movement backward that triggers Malone's false start. In fact, the way #33 jerks his head down at the same time makes me wonder if that's exactly what he was trying to do.

Can someone post that pic again please?

[ShotgunDawg]

I posted the photo, but it's time to let it go. We got beat on the road and have a chance for a rematch. We have bigger fish to fry now.

[blacklistedbully]

I posted the photo, but it's time to let it go. We got beat on the road and have a chance for a rematch. We have bigger fish to fry now.

Yeah, that's why I didn't bring it up before. Now I'm just deciding whether to engage this other poster who is claiming we were nowhere near as good as Bama, don't deserve anything close to #4, etc, etc.

If I were to use it, I'd qualify it by saying it's not why we lost, but that the game was, in fact, close enough that a call like that could have made the difference. A Bama fan made a poibnt of bringing up that play as proof it was really close, but this other guy was saying, "yeah, but they did false start, so got what they deserved".

[Homedawg]

That's what I said. Tusk said no. Not that I give 2 shits what he said. But that's what happened glad someone else saw it as well. To add, I will say, as I said before that's not why we lost.

[blacklistedbully]

That's what I said. Tusk said no. Not that I give 2 shits what he said. But that's what happened glad someone else saw it as well. To add, I will say, as I said before that's not why we lost.

Yes, Tusk said something about how 33 got back onsides.

A) He was actually still in the neutral zone when Malone flinched.
B) #47 was also lined up in the neutral zone, however the ball was not snapped before the false start.

Here's another question. If a defensive player is lined up in the neutral zone and an O-lineman false starts, should it be off-setting penalties? Or is a neutral zone infraction only enforced if either the ball is snapped or the NZ infraction causes a false start?

[Percho]

b. False Start. Each of the following is a false start by Team A if it occurs prior
to the snap after the ball is ready for play and all players are in scrimmage
formation:
1. Any movement by one or more players that simulates the start of a play.
2. The snapper moving to another position.
3. A restricted lineman (Rule 2-27-4) moving his hand(s) or making any
quick movement. [Exception: It is not a false start if a Team A lineman
immediately reacts when threatened by a Team B player in the neutral
zone (Rule 7-1-5-a-2) (A.R. 7-1-3-V)].
4. An offensive player making any quick, jerky movement before the snap,
including but not limited to:
(a) A lineman moving his foot, shoulder, arm, body or head in a quick,
jerky motion in any direction.
(b) The snapper shifting or moving the ball, moving his thumb or
fingers, flexing his elbows, jerking his head, or dipping his shoulders
or buttocks.
(c) The quarterback making any quick, jerky movement that simulates
the beginning of a play.
(d) A back simulating receiving the ball by making any quick, jerky
movement that simulates the beginning of a play. FR-72 RULE 7 / SNAPPING AND PASSING THE BALL
5. The offensive team never coming to a one-second stop prior to the snap
after the ball is ready for play (A.R. 7-1-2-IV).



ARTICLE 5. The defensive team requirements are as follows:
a. Each of the following (1-5) is a dead ball foul. Officials should blow the
whistle and not allow the play to continue. After the ball is ready for play
and before the ball is snapped:
1. No player may touch the ball except when moved illegally as in Rule
7-1-3-a-1, nor may any player contact an opponent or in any other way
interfere with him.(A.R. 7-1-5-I-II).
2. No player may enter the neutral zone causing an offensive lineman to
react immediately or commit any other dead-ball offside foul (Rules
2-18-2 and 7-1-2-b-3-Exception) (A.R. 7-1-3-V and A.R. 7-1-5-III).



7-1-3-V
V. A66, a restricted lineman between the snapper and the player on the
end of the line, or A72, a restricted player on the end of the line of
scrimmage:
1. Lifts a hand or hands from the ground immediately when threatened
by B1, who is in the neutral zone. RULING: Blow the whistle
immediately. Team B dead-ball foul, offside. Penalty—Five yards
from the succeeding spot.
2. Lifts a hand or hands from the ground upon initial charge by B1, who
(a) does not enter the neutral zone or (b) enters the neutral zone but
does not threaten the position of A66 or A72. RULING: In both (a)
and (b), blow the whistle immediately. Team A dead ball foul, false
start. Penalty—Five yards from the succeeding spot.
Note: Before the snap, a Team B player who enters the neutral zone may threaten
a maximum of three Team A linemen. If the Team B player enters the neutral zone
directly toward a Team A lineman, then that Team A player and the two adjacent
linemen are considered to be threatened. If the Team B player enters the neutral
zone toward a gap between two Team A linemen, then only those two Team A
players are considered to be threatened.


7-1 5 III

III. Before the snap, a Team B player crosses the neutral zone and, without
making contact, continues his charge behind a Team A lineman and
directly toward the quarterback or kicker. RULING: A Team B player
who is on Team A’s side of the neutral zone and is moving in a direct
path toward the quarterback or kicker while he is behind an offensive 36 RULE 7 / SNAPPING AND PASSING THE BALL
lineman is considered to be interfering with Team A’s formation.
Penalty—Team B dead-ball foul, offside. Dead ball. Five yards from the
succeeding spot.



There are the rules concerning false start, you figure it our as who was guilty.