Scott kind of layed it out there..........

[Liverpooldawg]

on the bells in his new column. Follow the rules people.

[Miss. Stake]

I thought we did a great job last Saturday personally. I was yelling my ass off, but I seem to remember a couple of time where there were a lot of bells ringing and the ringing settled down a lot when they were under center. Could be wrong though.

[BeardoMSU]

There were a lot of bells ringing last week. Y'all need to stop 17'n up. Scott just called you out.

[Homedawg]

It's just a matter of time before they are gone for good. It would be one thing if on 2-3 big plays they got used, but it's not. It's constant. And the people ringing them will be the first ones raising holy hell at Scott that they are gone. Oh well.

[preachermatt83]

everyone, and I mean everyone in our section rang very responsibly. Never rang while center was over ball

[messageboardsuperhero]

Everyone who cares about cowbells (which is pretty much all of us) needs to read this. Just put the damn bell down when you're supposed to and yell.

One of the not-so-cool parts of last Saturday was the 25 or so percent of fans who continue to ignore the rules on cowbell etiquette. This totally perplexes me. Dak Prescott doesn’t need fans ringing when they shouldn’t to make a dazzling play for our State. Bernardrick McKinney doesn’t need fans ringing when they shouldn’t in order to deliver a crushing tackle.
Why anyone who professes love for this university would ring their cowbell when they’ve been told not to do so is beyond me. It’s selfish and disrespectful, two things Mississippi State does NOT represent. When you ring at times not allowed, you are telling Mark Keenum, Dan Mullen, myself and thousands of Bulldogs who have worked hard to legitimize this great tradition at our games that you don’t appreciate their efforts, and that you’re willing to risk having cowbells removed from Davis Wade Stadium altogether in the future.
A vast majority of our fans follow the rules governing artificial noisemakers (which says they can be rung except when the center is over the football). To those of you who do so, thanks. If you see someone disregarding the rules, do me a favor and ask them to stop. If we continue having this issue, security will be deployed to either remove offending cowbells, or the individuals who are ringing irresponsibly, from the stadium.
Remember, we are allowed to bring cowbells into Davis Wade Stadium because the other 13 SEC schools voted to allow it. If we continue to have problems following the rules, then they may decide to rescind that privilege. The last thing any of us want is to have to install metal detectors at the gates.
I appreciate everyone’s diligence with this important issue.

[Doc]

Please follow the rule and kindly ask those around you to comply when they are not ringing responsibly.

[Miss. Stake]

Basically, it really didn't matter when we were poor ol' misipi state. Let them have their bells they said. Now that we are contenders I don't see the cowbells lasting very much longer. Don't underestimate crowd ignorance. If the price of going to the games keeps going up, then that will probably help weed out some with the asshole ringers.

[State82]

on the bells in his new column. Follow the rules people.

Good for him. He said it just like it needs to be said. It is beyond me how stupid those 25% or so really are. They are complete morons that need to be escorted out of the stadium. It is one of the great traditions in college football that we get great recognition for having. But if they are banned for good they won't be talked about in a good light anymore. The only way for it to be a positive is to have them and utilize them by the rules. Wake up idiots! If they are banned you will see the number of bells drop about 80%. There will be a few but they will no longer be noticeable.

[maroonmania]

It was pretty good in my section but pretty good will still eventually get them banned. The bad part is that the folks that have the "nobody is going to tell me when I can't ring" attitude are the same ones that will sneak in bells when illegal anyway so I don't think they care what happens with the rule. Hopefully it will get better but unless MSU fans in the stands are willing to start policing other MSU fans in the stands (which is not a fun thing to do) it likely won't.

[FlabLoser]

Not being a smartass, serious question here...

Hurry-up, no-huddle offenses "huddle" at the LOS with center standing next to the ball. Then they look to the sideline for play call and/or call a play right there. Then the center gets in his stance and puts his hand on the ball.

What does "when the center is over the football" mean? Is it when the team is huddling at the LOS as the center is standing next to the football, or is it when the center gets in his stance and puts his hand on the football?

In-stadium music continued until the center put his hand on the ball. I hope that's what the answer is. Otherwise, standing next to the ball is like a cowbell mute button and probably not what the rule intended.

I tweeted this question to Stricklin. Look forward to the answer and I'll have no issues complying with it.

[bluelightstar]

Exactly, the piped-in music continues until the center puts his hand on the ball, and it's been said that the rules for cowbells apply to the rules for music. I'm going to disagree with Stricklin -- no way were 25% of bells still being rung when the center was over the ball.

[Dawgtini]

It was pretty good in my section but pretty good will still eventually get them banned. The bad part is that the folks that have the "nobody is going to tell me when I can't ring" attitude are the same ones that will sneak in bells when illegal anyway so I don't think they care what happens with the rule. Hopefully it will get better but unless MSU fans in the stands are willing to start policing other MSU fans in the stands (which is not a fun thing to do) it likely won't.
I posted this on another board and to me it is what should make everyone keen to comply:
From Wednesday update:
The last thing any of us want is to have to install metal detectors at the gates.
I appreciate everyone’s diligence with this important issue.

This is what should concern everyone. A lot of people say "well we always snuck them in before, we will do it again!" No, you won't. We did before because our administration turned a blind eye, as it were. If the league gave us a shot at being respectful with the bells and we blow it, then the administration will have to enforce the ban. Besides, that means that shiny little "medicinal" item of mine that has been to oh so many games would have to stay at home too!

[BulldogBear]

Exactly, the piped-in music continues until the center puts his hand on the ball, and it's been said that the rules for cowbells apply to the rules for music. I'm going to disagree with Stricklin -- no way were 25% of bells still being rung when the center was over the ball.

This^

I did hear a few, but there's no way it even begins to approach to 25%. Not even an "in the ball park" figure. No way it was anywhere near 15,000 ringing at the wrong time. No way. He's probably just stressing it. Believe me, when we beat the crap out of Auburn, it's going to be an issue if it's even 1%!!!

[Liverpooldawg]

The really funny thing is that we are actually louder when we aren't ringing bells. The loudest I have ever heard that stadium STILL was the Arkansas game in 2010 and the bells were a non-factor at that game. Be careful SEC, you might not get what you expect with a ban.

[Political Hack]

The really funny thing is that we are actually louder when we aren't ringing bells. The loudest I have ever heard that stadium STILL was the Arkansas game in 2010 and the bells were a non-factor at that game. Be careful SEC, you might not get what you expect with a ban.

I know. other teams are going to make things more difficult for themselves.

[blacklistedbully]

Seems to me it would be pretty easy to put high-def cameras dedicated to each section, tied to a trigger that causes them to record only during the "no ringing times". One could easily set them all up on one trigger. That way, the university could identify the guilty ones and police them appropriately. Could put their mugs on the big screen to show them up and issue a warning. Could use it to send security into the stands to take their bells and/or eject them from the stadium. And if it's too much to get done during the game, do it retroactively, banning them from a future game or games, etc.

We could also show them being escorted out, and require them to show their ID to get their cowbell back. Then print a list of offenders. If we hammer a few, the effect should ripple through the others, hopefully encouraging them to knock that shit off.

Just break it up into manageable sections per camera with a person dedicated to reviewing each section and pointing out the offenders to the appropriate security personnel.

[WinningIsRelentless]

I think he said that because of Auburn fans saying they are going to bring in cowbells! And to me over center means when his hand touches the ball. If I'm wrong in this then someone needs to make it clear to us.

[mstatefan91]

Seems to me it would be pretty easy to put high-def cameras dedicated to each section, tied to a trigger that causes them to record only during the "no ringing times". One could easily set them all up on one trigger. That way, the university could identify the guilty ones and police them appropriately. Could put their mugs on the big screen to show them up and issue a warning. Could use it to send security into the stands to take their bells and/or eject them from the stadium. And if it's too much to get done during the game, do it retroactively, banning them from a future game or games, etc.

We could also show them being escorted out, and require them to show their ID to get their cowbell back. Then print a list of offenders. If we hammer a few, the effect should ripple through the others, hopefully encouraging them to knock that shit off.

Just break it up into manageable sections per camera with a person dedicated to reviewing each section and pointing out the offenders to the appropriate security personnel.
Yeah... What you are proposing is not easy at all. lol

[Miss. Stake]

Seems to me it would be pretty easy to put high-def cameras dedicated to each section, tied to a trigger that causes them to record only during the "no ringing times". One could easily set them all up on one trigger. That way, the university could identify the guilty ones and police them appropriately. Could put their mugs on the big screen to show them up and issue a warning. Could use it to send security into the stands to take their bells and/or eject them from the stadium. And if it's too much to get done during the game, do it retroactively, banning them from a future game or games, etc.

We could also show them being escorted out, and require them to show their ID to get their cowbell back. Then print a list of offenders. If we hammer a few, the effect should ripple through the others, hopefully encouraging them to knock that shit off.

Just break it up into manageable sections per camera with a person dedicated to reviewing each section and pointing out the offenders to the appropriate security personnel.

Absolutely nothing about that is easy to do.

[War Machine Dawg]

Not being a smartass, serious question here...

Hurry-up, no-huddle offenses "huddle" at the LOS with center standing next to the ball. Then they look to the sideline for play call and/or call a play right there. Then the center gets in his stance and puts his hand on the ball.

What does "when the center is over the football" mean? Is it when the team is huddling at the LOS as the center is standing next to the football, or is it when the center gets in his stance and puts his hand on the football?

In-stadium music continued until the center put his hand on the ball. I hope that's what the answer is. Otherwise, standing next to the ball is like a cowbell mute button and probably not what the rule intended.

I tweeted this question to Stricklin. Look forward to the answer and I'll have no issues complying with it.


Exactly, the piped-in music continues until the center puts his hand on the ball, and it's been said that the rules for cowbells apply to the rules for music. I'm going to disagree with Stricklin -- no way were 25% of bells still being rung when the center was over the ball.


This^

I did hear a few, but there's no way it even begins to approach to 25%. Not even an "in the ball park" figure. No way it was anywhere near 15,000 ringing at the wrong time. No way. He's probably just stressing it. Believe me, when we beat the crap out of Auburn, it's going to be an issue if it's even 1%!!!

This. I actually thought our crowd did a damn good job of obeying the rule on Saturday, even mentioning it in ACQB. I'd be shocked if it was even 10%. There are ALWAYS going to be a few idiots who ring. And there will be big moments when emotion overtakes everyone. But it's generally few and far between now. I'd ring until the center got into his stance. To me, that's "over the ball." Until then, ringing is fair game and unless we hear otherwise, that will continue to be my course of action.

And for those who ring on offense at all, other than to celebrate right after a big play......I want to strangle all of you. QUIET, WE'RE ON OFFENSE!!!! You should be able to hear a pin drop when we have the ball. I saw Beckwith motion to the crowd to be quiet at least once when we were inside the 10 on Saturday. STFU when we have the ball and get LOUD when we're on D. It's not that hard, people.

[Smitty]

I ring every defensive play until the center puts his hand on the ball. This is true for nearly ALL around me as well. I think this issue is JUST LIKE the Dillon Day issue. People just keep bringing it up until they fell the need to DO SOMETHING regardless if it is warranted or not.

[dickiedawg]

I've kind of interpreted it as when the center squats down. As in, really only a few seconds.

[bluelightstar]

At any rate, you never want to put in very public writing from a university official that 25% of the fans don't follow the rules.

[LC Dawg]

I thought we all did a great job with the bell rule. I wonder if Stricklin is just being proactive because he knows Auburn is coming to town and he knows they are going to whine about the cowbells regardless so he wants to show that we are doing our utmost to enforce the rule.

[War Machine Dawg]

At any rate, you never want to put in very public writing from a university official that 25% of the fans don't follow the rules.

THIS. Stricklin needs to use his damn head. He could've said the same thing without attaching a percentage to it. But now he's given the SEC Office ammo, true or not. I hate having an AD who's still learning on the job.

[blacklistedbully]

Yeah... What you are proposing is not easy at all. lol

Actually, it is fairly simple. I come from a related background. If would not be difficult to set up multiple cameras. It also would not be difficult to put them all in a circuit that would allow one person to control record/stop/rewind, etc for all cameras. You have one person start trigger the "record" when the center gets over the ball. All cameras begin to record, and record until the ball is snapped, at which point the one person sends the stop command. You then have each camera with a dedicated person who is watching their view determine if there are significant violators in their section. If there were, they can easily "capture" or "save" that period to allow for security to identify specific individuals violating the policy, and go get them. You wouldn't even need to do it every play, as the ones you're after are the ones doing it intentionally, so are likely doing it most plays anyway.

If your sections are small enough, pretty much everyone in the section can witness what happens to the violator, likely having an immediate positive impact on reducing the # doing it thereafter. And once folks realize the ease with which they can be caught and punished, the # of incidents would likely plummet significantly, eventually making it possibly unnecessary to do more than merely spot-check it.

For that matter, if you wanted to make it simpler, you could have only a couple of people reviewing the recordings, perhaps at half-time, notifying security of who the violators are, and sending them to eject said violators. You wouldn't need to catch everybody, just a couple from each section to get it under control.

[HSVDawg]

I've heard some Auburn fans at work who frequent their message boards say the same thing. The question is how will a penalty for the rule be enforced if a bunch of the opposing teams fans are the perpetrators when we have the ball?

[sleepy dawg]

I agree with others, no way in hell 25% were not in compliance... not even 25% of people who brought in bells. I sit in Upper East side. Many cowbells were ringing, but by far most people set them down when they were under center.

Honestly though, we're way louder without them, so it may be a blessing in disguise.

[bluelightstar]

THIS. Stricklin needs to use his damn head. He could've said the same thing without attaching a percentage to it. But now he's given the SEC Office ammo, true or not. I hate having an AD who's still learning on the job.

Exactly. It's the same way there are some types of things you advise clients to not write down as a lawyer (well before any litigation) because it'll be discoverable and used against you. SEC office wants to ban cowbells? "State, you yourselves said that a quarter of your fans don't follow the rules we voted to allow you to have and now we 'rescind the privilege' (as you put in your own letter)." Come on, man.

[sandwolf]

Actually, it is fairly simple. I come from a related background. If would not be difficult to set up multiple cameras. It also would not be difficult to put them all in a circuit that would allow one person to control record/stop/rewind, etc for all cameras. You have one person start trigger the "record" when the center gets over the ball. All cameras begin to record, and record until the ball is snapped, at which point the one person sends the stop command. You then have each camera with a dedicated person who is watching their view determine if there are significant violators in their section. If there were, they can easily "capture" or "save" that period to allow for security to identify specific individuals violating the policy, and go get them. You wouldn't even need to do it every play, as the ones you're after are the ones doing it intentionally, so are likely doing it most plays anyway.

If your sections are small enough, pretty much everyone in the section can witness what happens to the violator, likely having an immediate positive impact on reducing the # doing it thereafter. And once folks realize the ease with which they can be caught and punished, the # of incidents would likely plummet significantly, eventually making it possibly unnecessary to do more than merely spot-check it.

For that matter, if you wanted to make it simpler, you could have only a couple of people reviewing the recordings, perhaps at half-time, notifying security of who the violators are, and sending them to eject said violators. You wouldn't need to catch everybody, just a couple from each section to get it under control.

Again, what you are talking about is not simple at all. You are talking about setting up 20-30 cameras and then setting up an area in the stadium for 20-30 people to monitor 20-30 different video feeds in an effort to find people that are ringing their cowbells at the wrong time. Then you would have to bring in extra security people specifically for the purpose of running around and taking up cowbells. That is completely insane.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Stricklin didn't hurt us by using that number. He wants some fans to know that their infantile behavior has put the university at risk, and he wants the behavior to stop. It ain't complicated, but if people keep pressing the rule to its limit and beyond, then Sticklin will become the AD who lost the cowbell. It ain't fair, but life ain't supposed to be fair to the guy in charge.

[drunkernhelldawg]

THIS. Stricklin needs to use his damn head. He could've said the same thing without attaching a percentage to it. But now he's given the SEC Office ammo, true or not. I hate having an AD who's still learning on the job.

Nice cheap shot.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Scott must've heard from the SEC office. Now, finebaum has picked on it and John is making a big deal about it saying Hill threw his interceptions cause he couldn't hear. Paul did point out that the bells haven't helped us when we were losing. They're not helping this situation anymore than they helped the Dillon Day one.

[blacklistedbully]

Again, what you are talking about is not simple at all. You are talking about setting up 20-30 cameras and then setting up an area in the stadium for 20-30 people to monitor 20-30 different video feeds in an effort to find people that are ringing their cowbells at the wrong time. Then you would have to bring in extra security people specifically for the purpose of running around and taking up cowbells. That is completely insane.


Not at all. You dont; need that many to screen, as I suggested in a later post, adn you don't need additional security. Once you've identified a few violators, you send available security ti get them at their leisure. The point isn't to bust them right away, You just need folks in each section to see a couple of folks getting busted in THEIR section. Would probably have a chilling effect on other potential scofflaws.

If you record just the time from the center touching the ball to the snap on every play in the first half, you'd end up with a manageable amount of video for review by a limited staff from the beginning of the game through, say halftime. Then you provide existing security/ushers with as little as 1 or 2 in each section where there was a problem, complete with an image print. They use that to go get the offenders, take their cowbell, escort them from the game, whatever. By localizing it to sections, you make sure it's noticed by most folks, and you make it clear to would-be violators that we have the ability to easily identify and punish them.

It's not nearly as difficult as some of you imagine. It's not even particularly sophisticated technology.

[drunkernhelldawg]

Not at all. You dont; need that many to screen, as I suggested in a later post, adn you don't need additional security. Once you've identified a few violators, you send available security ti get them at their leisure. The point isn't to bust them right away, You just need folks in each section to see a couple of folks getting busted in THEIR section. Would probably have a chilling effect on other potential scofflaws.

If you record just the time from the center touching the ball to the snap on every play in the first half, you'd end up with a manageable amount of video for review by a limited staff from the beginning of the game through, say halftime. Then you provide existing security/ushers with as little as 1 or 2 in each section where there was a problem, complete with an image print. They use that to go get the offenders, take their cowbell, escort them from the game, whatever. By localizing it to sections, you make sure it's noticed by most folks, and you make it clear to would-be violators that we have the ability to easily identify and punish them.

It's not nearly as difficult as some of you imagine. It's not even particularly sophisticated technology.

Winner.

I don't like the idea of warnings. One violation and you're out of the stadium. Also, let them keep their cowbells. Taking people's property is too complicated. It's also wrong by many standards. It's an argument we don't need.

[Smitty]

Winner.

I don't like the idea of warnings. One violation and you're out of the stadium. Also, let them keep their cowbells. Taking people's property is too complicated. It's also wrong by many standards. It's an argument we don't need.

What if you are wrongly accused the first time and are forced to leave? I would go ape shit. One warning and then you put the bell down because they are keying in on you, innocent or guilty.

[jimbo352]

Guys... Read between the lines... Scott isn't asking or warning us. He's preparing us for what is eventually going to happen. The bells are gone folks. It's just a matter of time.

[drunkernhelldawg]

What if you are wrongly accused the first time and are forced to leave? I would go ape shit. One warning and then you put the bell down because they are keying in on you, innocent or guilty.

That would suck, but imagine how a warning system would "work". The only way a warning could work is with written documentation. That ain't gonna happen, so I say no warning.

[IMissJack]

I would very much suspect there has been contact from the league that says "watch it" Scott. I have watched the game several times and there were times where the bells were noticeable. However, it was mostly a roar.

[Political Hack]

At any rate, you never want to put in very public writing from a university official that 25% of the fans don't follow the rules.

pretty boneheaded IMO.

[drunkernhelldawg]

pretty boneheaded IMO.

I disagree. I predict no negative effects from that number, except people on message boards criticizing him for it.

[Dawgcentral]

I could see 25% during some big 3rd downs, not in my section neccesarily, but the bells were loud on a few occasions when they should not have been so.
All the SEC needs is an excuse, that is, when we are winning. I thought from the beginning of the new rule that we were being set up to fail. And yes, we are much louder when simply yelling.
That said, the cowbell is a needed tradition that can only be protected by simple adherence to the current rule. It's just not that difficult for me. I look at it as a matter of etiquette, like not getting out of your seat, or returning to it during gameplay.

[jimbo352]

pretty boneheaded IMO.

Its not bone headed.... Hes not giving the sec ammunition.. Hes throwing a number out there to fall back on when the bells are taken away. He can go back and say, "hey, i warned you guys.!"

It makes me sad, but there's no way we keep the bells, especially if we keep winning and competing like we are.

[Todd4State]

Its not bone headed.... Hes not giving the sec ammunition.. Hes throwing a number out there to fall back on when the bells are taken away. He can go back and say, "hey, i warned you guys.!"

It makes me sad, but there's no way we keep the bells, especially if we keep winning and competing like we are.

Then why did the SEC actually vote for more lenient cowbell rules than we had before?

[Todd4State]

What I think Scott needs to do on the videoboard is actually SHOW everyone what he is talking about as far as the center being over the ball.

That's definitely a gray area.

[FlabLoser]

What I think Scott needs to do on the videoboard is actually SHOW everyone what he is talking about as far as the center being over the ball.

That's definitely a gray area.

Scott and HailStateFB aren't interested in answering my tweet.

But by following the stadium music's lead, I'm going with center putting his hand on the ball.

[War Machine Dawg]

Scott and HailStateFB aren't interested in answering my tweet.

But by following the stadium music's lead, I'm going with center putting his hand on the ball.

I tend to agree since cowbells are under the "institutionally controlled music/noise" rules.

[jimbo352]

Then why did the SEC actually vote for more lenient cowbell rules than we had before?

More lenient rules....? How so... Before there were rules, but nothing was enforced. I remember doing whatever the hell wanted not to long ago. Now they have set rules, and are threatening to enforce. I don't see how the rules are more lenient.

[drunkernhelldawg]

I believe over the ball is meant to mean that the team is aligned and in the process of setting. I think hand on the ball is outside of the intent of the rule. But as another poster said, it needs to be clarified by our athletic department.

[Todd4State]

More lenient rules....? How so... Before there were rules, but nothing was enforced. I remember doing whatever the hell wanted not to long ago. Now they have set rules, and are threatening to enforce. I don't see how the rules are more lenient.

Before under Scott's original rule we could ring until the other team huddled. Now we can wait until the center is over the ball.

Who is threatening to enforce? Scott is doing this on his own to manage it so that it doesn't get enforced. Since Scott's rule a few years ago, we have only been penalized ONCE for violating the cowbell rule- and that was the Egg Bowl last year.

I think this is more Scott knowing that Auburn tends to whine more than most schools and he is being proactive.

I think we as fans follow the rule fairly well- but certainly with some room for improvement.

[Political Hack]

SEC: "we know it's at least 25% of your fan base not following the rule, based on your own estimates."
State: "that was just a statement to try to get or fans to comply"
SEC: "25% is roughly 15,000 people in Davis Wade ringing cowbells. Let's vote."

We have them ammo. It's not smart. Hopefully it works, but I gauran-damn-tee you that he's trying to cover his ass because he knows he's about to lose the vote. Rather than lobbying and trading votes on certain issues, he scolds our fan base so he can lose the battle and say "told you so."

After this season do you think LSU is voting for us to keep them? Auburn? A&M? Ole Miss? Florida - who started this mess again?

[BulldogBear]

What if you are wrongly accused the first time and are forced to leave? I would go ape shit. One warning and then you put the bell down because they are keying in on you, innocent or guilty.

This^

This would have deep consequences you cannot imagine if y'all are serious about this. If not proven, yet kicked out.... basically it's gonna be a legal nightmare. So, I have to be proved guilty of murder, but you can suppose I rang a cowbell, take my money and my property and kick me out? C'mon! Not even a warning?

[BulldogBear]

I believe over the ball is meant to mean that the team is aligned and in the process of setting. I think hand on the ball is outside of the intent of the rule. But as another poster said, it needs to be clarified by our athletic department.

This also. If too loose, then the other team can move outside the intent of the rule as well.

[jimbo352]

SEC: "we know it's at least 25% of your fan base not following the rule, based on your own estimates."
State: "that was just a statement to try to get or fans to comply"
SEC: "25% is roughly 15,000 people in Davis Wade ringing cowbells. Let's vote."

We have them ammo. It's not smart. Hopefully it works, but I gauran-damn-tee you that he's trying to cover his ass because he knows he's about to lose the vote. Rather than lobbying and trading votes on certain issues, he scolds our fan base so he can lose the battle and say "told you so."

After this season do you think LSU is voting for us to keep them? Auburn? A&M? Ole Miss? Florida - who started this mess again?

This is exactly what I'm saying.

Except, I don't think he can lobby to save the bells.

I think he has been told that it's only a matter of time, and he's trying to get ahead of the storm.


Remember when TSUN lost from dixie with love. A year before they took it away, their admin warned them to stop chanting "the south will rise again." Everyone in the know knew Dixie and all similar songs were gone. It was simply a statement that they could point to when the fanbase lost their sh!t.

It's completely obvious what our admin is doing.

[WesternSkyDawg]

Bullshit on the CYA theory

We have a real opportunity to save the bell under the current rule.

I'll be damned if my boys don't have the chance to grow up with it because a handful of jackasses insist on being selfish

We've got a team full of players that is committed to doing things the right way. Time for the fans to follow their lead

[drunkernhelldawg]

Bullshit on the CYA theory

We have a real opportunity to save the bell under the current rule.

I'll be damned if my boys don't have the chance to grow up with it because a handful of jackasses insist on being selfish

We've got a team full of players that is committed to doing things the right way. Time for the fans to follow their lead

Right on. Also, this thing about the bell only being useful to bother the other team on third down or whatever is wrong. The best thing about the bells is that they are used to cheer the team. I watched the replay again tonight and was struck by the power the bells added to the cheers for good Bulldog plays.
This guy has it totally right: We're more than capable of comprehending the situation and making this MINOR adjustment to our behavior with the bells. I wouldn't be against going zero tolerance on this nonsense. I don't think we have a better choice.

[notsofarawaydawg]

Some of you bitch and moan so much -- if it was raining money in your backyard you would bitch about having to pick it up.

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[maroonmania]

I thought overall our fans did pretty well. When you have 63,000 people there its not going to be 100% compliance EVER. I didn't hear Kevin Sumlin make it an issue and I don't believe that Texas A&M had an illegal procedure even ONCE. I also didn't notice Hill having any trouble communicating his play to the A&M players presnap. SO if the SEC wants to take them away there isn't much we can do to stop it but the bells currently are NOT affecting the other team's gameplay in the way they seemed to be concerned about.

[drunkernhelldawg]

I thought overall our fans did pretty well. When you have 63,000 people there its not going to be 100% compliance EVER. I didn't hear Kevin Sumlin make it an issue and I don't believe that Texas A&M had an illegal procedure even ONCE. I also didn't notice Hill having any trouble communicating his play to the A&M players presnap. SO if the SEC wants to take them away there isn't much we can do to stop it but the bells currently are NOT affecting the other team's gameplay in the way they seemed to be concerned about.

I agree that it doesn't affect the other team's game play. I don't get how you think we can't stop it. We have game officials at every portal. All they have to do is radio security with seat id. We can definitely stop it. It'll piss people off, but it can be done.

[Dawgtini]

+1

[maroonmania]

I agree that it doesn't affect the other team's game play. I don't get how you think we can't stop it. We have game officials at every portal. All they have to do is radio security with seat id. We can definitely stop it. It'll piss people off, but it can be done.

You didn't read my post very well. I said if the SEC WANTS TO TAKE THEM AWAY there isn't much we can do about it. Apparently the vote is up to the other 13 SEC schools on whether they will allow it or not, not us.

[drunkernhelldawg]

You didn't read my post very well. I said if the SEC WANTS TO TAKE THEM AWAY there isn't much we can do about it. Apparently the vote is up to the other 13 SEC schools on whether they will allow it or not, not us.

I was referring to the part where you said we couldn't expect to get 100 percent compliance. I think we can, and I think that's the issue. I do not think the SEC will take away the cowbell. It is a stronger symbol of our teams than it ever has been. Taking them away is overly draconian. But I do believe that the university has to step up and ensure that every damn fan is complying with the rules or on their way to the exit. Consider this: Imagine Stricklin telling them we can't get full compliance. Then imagine the question: "What have you tried?" CYA or not, they've been letting this issue slide for the last three seasons. Now it's threatening to bite our butt.

[yjnkdawg]

It is pretty apparent that Auburn does not like the cowbells, from past history and currently as well. Their current football players have even said they hate coming to MSU, because of the cowbells. If there was an appropriate time, to not ring responsibly(Respect the Cowbell), which I don't know when that would be, it is definitley not the game against Auburn. Some of our fans think if they buy tickets, then they can do anything they ***** want too, which includes ringing their cowbell anytime they want to. These types are in the minority and it is stupidity, but it still exists. The irony is that the ones who don't comply. may not have even gone to MSU. Some of the most arrogant OM fans I know, never even took one course at OM.

[maroonmania]

I was referring to the part where you said we couldn't expect to get 100 percent compliance. I think we can, and I think that's the issue. I do not think the SEC will take away the cowbell. It is a stronger symbol of our teams than it ever has been. Taking them away is overly draconian. But I do believe that the university has to step up and ensure that every damn fan is complying with the rules or on their way to the exit. Consider this: Imagine Stricklin telling them we can't get full compliance. Then imagine the question: "What have you tried?" CYA or not, they've been letting this issue slide for the last three seasons. Now it's threatening to bite our butt.

In a crowd of over 60,000 people there will always be some idiots who aren't going to listen to anyone.