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09-15-2014, 08:14 AM
A NAFOOMer posts disappointment about his experience at The Grove last weekend..
From: http://nafoom.yuku.com/topic/49045/i-dont-get-it#.VBbg10t3v8t
I probably shouldn't bring this up, but this was my introduction to the grove yesterday. I walk with my son (Ole Miss senior) to the grove. We come from the quad to the Lyceum, to the circle and then we get to the Grove. The first tent I see has a big "Rebel Pride" - confederate flag. then we get to the Student union and the busses were about to unload the team for the walk of champions. I look down the walk of champions and see another "Rebel Pride" flag right on the Walk of Champions. Then the team gets off the bus to the band playing "Forward Rebels" with not one, not two, but Three versions of Dixie. After all of the August controversy and the studies, I am just amazed that we not only play Dixie, but play 3 versions of it. I know most Rebel fans think nothing of Dixie, and actually love the tune, but plenty of people do associate Dixie with racism. To have a team that we are supporting I just think it is ironic at the very least, given that majority of the team is African American. Then walking to the tent, I see many African American students dressed up just like everyone else enjoying the Grove. I just think it is a little disrespectful and insensitive that we keep playing the song over and over. Be somewhat different if we only played the one version of it.
I get pissed off at myself that it bothers me, lol. i feel certain most everyone I know thinks we definitely should be playing it. I just think the band has no creativity and is lazy not to come up with some other alternative fight songs.
Most posters in that NAFOOM thread agreed this is a problem. But they also agree that "most" Ole Miss fans cherish the playing of Dixie and don't have issues with the confederate flag.
Some NAFOOMers defended Dixie, apparently having no concern at all for race sensitivity. TBagger claims it is racist to be offended by Dixie and the confederate flag. TBagger also gives elitedawgs credit for being more race sensitive than NAFOOM. See:
Is this keeping you up at night? WTF?
We are 3-0 and ranked number 10 in the nation and you are trying to start some racist rant? If you don't like it, email Ross Bjork and shut the f-ck up. Maybe you should run back over to ED and tell them how cool you are now.
warchief says he understands its an issue but it appears he thinks nobody should be offended by playing a song that praises the south's era of slavery. But warchief does think the confederate flags should stop:
Honestly I think if dixie offends someone then they're looking for a reason to be offended. I understand the civil war correlation but geez. Should people not live in MS because it was a part of the confederacy? I just think its overkill. Now I agree on the flags. That symbol has been forever linked to hateful morons like the klan. Grow up folks. You're not a badass because you have that flag. I do think getting rid of col. Reb, or stopping all forms of dixie is overkill though. If you search deep enough you can find an offensive connection in anything. I think it should end with any direct symbols like the flag.
Bodhisattva says the flags should go, says the fans love Dixie, but that Dixie should go away because.... it hurts recruiting. He's "all in". I suppose if it didn't hurt recruiting he might not care.
I agree with you and think Dixie should've been retired 10+ years ago. It gets used against us in recruiting, making it harder on Freeze and staff to do their jobs. And it makes no sense to retire Col Reb, retire FDWL, but still play Dixie. But I'll say this..... many in our fanbase truly love Dixie. Whenever the band plays it during a game, I'll look around and see several people around me stand up and start clapping.
As for the flags in the Grove, it's an embarrassment for sure, but there's nothing the univ can do about it. The only thing that could be done is for fans to take matters into their own hands, but this would probably just make the flag displayers dig their heels in deeper.
rebelrouseri says supports Dixie
Agree. Let's just start some shit and see what sticks...
post. This guy forgot to mention how the name Ole Miss is racist too. I feel bad your son couldn't get into a more enlightened university or, maybe, he just isn't looking for racism behind every corner. I do agree w/ the flag shit though.
In another post, rebelrouseri takes offense to a Wikipedia reference which explains what Dixie really means. He really does love Dixie. Enough to deny documented evidence that the song embraces slavery and that it is racially offensive.
And finally, Bopolis locked the thread for damage control.
So there you have it - a critical mass of Ole Miss Rebel fans love the confederate flag, although a good many of them want the flag to stop. But nearly every Ole Miss rebel fan loves Dixie. And both confederate flags and Dixie are proudly cherished on gamedays in The Grove. Hotty toddy.
From: http://nafoom.yuku.com/topic/49045/i-dont-get-it#.VBbg10t3v8t
I probably shouldn't bring this up, but this was my introduction to the grove yesterday. I walk with my son (Ole Miss senior) to the grove. We come from the quad to the Lyceum, to the circle and then we get to the Grove. The first tent I see has a big "Rebel Pride" - confederate flag. then we get to the Student union and the busses were about to unload the team for the walk of champions. I look down the walk of champions and see another "Rebel Pride" flag right on the Walk of Champions. Then the team gets off the bus to the band playing "Forward Rebels" with not one, not two, but Three versions of Dixie. After all of the August controversy and the studies, I am just amazed that we not only play Dixie, but play 3 versions of it. I know most Rebel fans think nothing of Dixie, and actually love the tune, but plenty of people do associate Dixie with racism. To have a team that we are supporting I just think it is ironic at the very least, given that majority of the team is African American. Then walking to the tent, I see many African American students dressed up just like everyone else enjoying the Grove. I just think it is a little disrespectful and insensitive that we keep playing the song over and over. Be somewhat different if we only played the one version of it.
I get pissed off at myself that it bothers me, lol. i feel certain most everyone I know thinks we definitely should be playing it. I just think the band has no creativity and is lazy not to come up with some other alternative fight songs.
Most posters in that NAFOOM thread agreed this is a problem. But they also agree that "most" Ole Miss fans cherish the playing of Dixie and don't have issues with the confederate flag.
Some NAFOOMers defended Dixie, apparently having no concern at all for race sensitivity. TBagger claims it is racist to be offended by Dixie and the confederate flag. TBagger also gives elitedawgs credit for being more race sensitive than NAFOOM. See:
Is this keeping you up at night? WTF?
We are 3-0 and ranked number 10 in the nation and you are trying to start some racist rant? If you don't like it, email Ross Bjork and shut the f-ck up. Maybe you should run back over to ED and tell them how cool you are now.
warchief says he understands its an issue but it appears he thinks nobody should be offended by playing a song that praises the south's era of slavery. But warchief does think the confederate flags should stop:
Honestly I think if dixie offends someone then they're looking for a reason to be offended. I understand the civil war correlation but geez. Should people not live in MS because it was a part of the confederacy? I just think its overkill. Now I agree on the flags. That symbol has been forever linked to hateful morons like the klan. Grow up folks. You're not a badass because you have that flag. I do think getting rid of col. Reb, or stopping all forms of dixie is overkill though. If you search deep enough you can find an offensive connection in anything. I think it should end with any direct symbols like the flag.
Bodhisattva says the flags should go, says the fans love Dixie, but that Dixie should go away because.... it hurts recruiting. He's "all in". I suppose if it didn't hurt recruiting he might not care.
I agree with you and think Dixie should've been retired 10+ years ago. It gets used against us in recruiting, making it harder on Freeze and staff to do their jobs. And it makes no sense to retire Col Reb, retire FDWL, but still play Dixie. But I'll say this..... many in our fanbase truly love Dixie. Whenever the band plays it during a game, I'll look around and see several people around me stand up and start clapping.
As for the flags in the Grove, it's an embarrassment for sure, but there's nothing the univ can do about it. The only thing that could be done is for fans to take matters into their own hands, but this would probably just make the flag displayers dig their heels in deeper.
rebelrouseri says supports Dixie
Agree. Let's just start some shit and see what sticks...
post. This guy forgot to mention how the name Ole Miss is racist too. I feel bad your son couldn't get into a more enlightened university or, maybe, he just isn't looking for racism behind every corner. I do agree w/ the flag shit though.
In another post, rebelrouseri takes offense to a Wikipedia reference which explains what Dixie really means. He really does love Dixie. Enough to deny documented evidence that the song embraces slavery and that it is racially offensive.
And finally, Bopolis locked the thread for damage control.
So there you have it - a critical mass of Ole Miss Rebel fans love the confederate flag, although a good many of them want the flag to stop. But nearly every Ole Miss rebel fan loves Dixie. And both confederate flags and Dixie are proudly cherished on gamedays in The Grove. Hotty toddy.