Special Teams rumor starting to float

[Coach34]

Hope it's not true. All I can say right now

[RossDawg82]

Are we ditching ST as a whole?

[chef dixon]

There is no special teams rumor that could make me feel any worse than I already do about it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Hope it's not true. All I can say right now

Why would you start this thread with no details?

Our kicking sucks? that shouldn't surprise anyone.

[ShotgunDawg]

There is no special teams rumor that could make me feel any worse than I already do about it.

Agree.

[RossDawg82]

The rumor is our kicker put one through the uprights from 35 yards. Completely against CDM's game plan and he was subsequently kicked off the team

[Dallas_Dawg]

Come on now, don't do us like that. Does it have anything to do with that we suck at field goals? We all knew that anyways and have seen that on this board and others.
Surely there isn't anything else for us to have to worry about on ST

[starkvegasdawg]

Let me guess...one of our kickers has been showing promise and got caught with an underage prostitute.

[Westdawg]

We don't have a long snapper now??? That would actually really suck because most of those only play one position - long snapper

[BulldogBear]

Well, it's statistically better to go for it on 4th almost every time you're not inside your own 40 anyway. But we won't.

[ShotgunDawg]

If none of our field goal kickers are any good, I think we should just go back to Devon Bell as our kicker. Bell sucks at being a field goal kicker, but at least he has a really strong leg, which gives you a punchers chance.

Sobiesk doesn't have a strong leg, and therefore must be accurate to have success. If he isn't accurate, then we may as well play the guy with the strongest leg.

I will say though, field goal kicking is very mental. If we are sucking this bad, then Mullen needs to hire a psychologist or whatever else is needed to keep this from ruining all 85 of our player's season. I've seen it before, these kickers can go through horrible slumps, something happens, and all the sudden they become reliable. This position is completely different from any other on the field.

[OurState]

Let me guess...one of our kickers has been showing promise and got caught with an underage male prostitute.


After all, we are talking about a kicker.

We should have a varsity soccer team just to source a kicker...

[EAVdog]

Don't care, last year we were great in practice. If we suck in practice then maybe this year we'll be great during games.

[DeltaDawg]

Why start a thread if you can't say anything? Lame...

[Coach34]

It involves one of our kickers

[GreenheadDawg]

It involves one of our kickers

Oh well that clears it up. **

[smootness]

Well, this is one of the worst threads ever.

[ShotgunDawg]

It involves one of our kickers

Bell's punting ability would be the only thing that would be tough to lose. If it happened to one of our kickers, I'm not sure how it could hurt.

Shouldn't be too hard to find someone to miss field goals, right?

[ShotgunDawg]

Curious, is it to late to offer a scholarship to a current JUCO kicker and get him up here?

It would seem to me that if any MS JUCO had a good kicker that qualified out of high school, we should be trying to acquire him right now.

[Lumpy Chucklelips]

Didn't we lose a punter during the Croom experiment during camp when some idiot roughed the punter?

[Bothrops]

Might as well go ahead and spill it before somebody says something that you wouldn't want posted on here.

[starkvegasdawg]

Nick James was still caught up in the hay bale toss. Bell got too close and Nick threw him through the uprights and into the student section.

[Political Hack]

it's ok. Sobiesk is fine.

[ShotgunDawg]

it's ok. Sobiesk is fine.

So it was Sobiesk?

Not sure how devastating that loss would've been, but glad he's ok. Hopefully he makes tons and tons of field goals this year and becomes an indespensible player

[Political Hack]

no. Sobiesk is fine. Has nothing to do with him.

[BeardoMSU]

WTF, Coach? This is thread is bush-league.

[whosyourdawgy]

It involves one of our kickers

This is just irresponsible bullshit coach. This is like elementary school shit. There is a rumor floating around about one of our kickers but I can't tell you. It's a secret. Don't ask cause I can't tell u or I will get in twuble.

[steeldawg]

Hope it's not true. All I can say right now

Why even post this?

[raymond21]

Must be a Devon Bell rumor. Got to agree , its pretty bush league to post something like this. I heard a rumor that we made 96% of our Fg attempts from 50yards during practice at the farm

[MarketingBully01]

It seems like now he is just doing this to get page views...

[BeardoMSU]

It seems like now he is just doing this to get page views...

While at the same time, doing this....

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9qcjpcX5B1r11k1i.gif

Jesus, Coach, strive for better.

[CooterDavenport]

Deep Throat says, "Glbrghhgh glbrgrhllbh glrblghhgl."

[Coach34]

Bunch of whiners

I figured Pawwwwwl or Steve would have come thru by now- because ya know- those are pay sites. I dont want to break it because tempers flare and things settle down after awhile

[Hot Rock]

Bunch of whiners

I figured Pawwwwwl or Steve would have come thru by now- because ya know- those are pay sites. I dont want to break it because tempers flare and things settle down after awhile

Just for the record, never, ever start a thread like this again.

[MarketingBully01]

Bunch of whiners

I figured Pawwwwwl or Steve would have come thru by now- because ya know- those are pay sites. I dont want to break it because tempers flare and things settle down after awhile

Exactly, odds are good that this could have happened things settle down and everything is right as rain without us fans knowing any wiser of it. Sometimes, fans don't need to know EVERYTHING that goes on.

[chainedup_Dawg]

Bunch of whiners

I figured Pawwwwwl or Steve would have come thru by now- because ya know- those are pay sites. I dont want to break it because tempers flare and things settle down after awhile

I don't think it's whining at all. You know we are all pretty on edge waiting for the season to start. When you post something like this you're asking for backlash. You should know that. If you can't share details there's no reason to post about it.

[sbcmortgageman]

Busch league thread. 7th grade girl stuff.

[AlSwearengen]

I'm with everyone else.
-This thread is dildos.
-Hopefully Bell isn't hurt b/c his punting is the only good part of the kicking game.
-Between the women's soccer team and intramural soccer players, we have to have someone that can kick it through the uprights.

[Political Hack]

Exactly, odds are good that this could have happened things settle down and everything is right as rain without us fans knowing any wiser of it. Sometimes, fans don't need to know EVERYTHING that goes on.

in fairness, that's probably why coach didn't post it in full. And now, maybe anyone else who heard it will resist from posting unless it's confirmed.

[I seen it dawg]

If it's so bush why all the responses

[Coach34]

If it's so bush why all the responses

because they cant stand not knowing

[Maroons]

because they cant stand not knowing

I know but y'all dont! Nanny nanny boo boo!

Just like a junior high girl.

[YazooDawg23]

Coach I think we all appreciate your insight and sources but it is times like these where you look like a douche bag.

[CadaverDawg]

Bell must be hurt, so now we will lose kickoffs going to the 10 yard line and decent punting. We have like 20 kickers and none of them are good....so this thread is hot garbage.

Our injury situation got bad here the last few days. We better kick off soon or the Indians won't let us field a team.

[JDog13]

Busch league thread. 7th grade girl stuff.



+1 for using the proper spelling of Busch in "Busch league."

[Political Hack]

no one's hurt, except Damien... and maybe Gabe. No ones in trouble... I don't think. This is actually the first year I can remember where I'm not aware of at least 1-2 suspensions for the opener. Not saying there aren't any, but I just haven't heard anything if there are. Usually you would start to hear that by now, or at latest, early next week.

We're having a pretty damn good preseason camp. Keep the Indians at bay and everything will be just fine.

[Big4Dawg]

Gave is fine it looks like

https://t.co/NHLjlrp13e

[drunkernhelldawg]

Our whole ST situation is bush league, so why shouldn't a thread about it be the same? Not getting how our coaches don't see it as vital to success. I guarantee that the championship teams will have reliable kickers from 49 in.

[MarketingBully01]

No sense in gnashing our teeth about it before we play a game. For all we know, Sobiesk could start hitting a ton of field goals in games. Maybe this year we struggle in practice and hit them in games. Wouldn't that be a kicker (no pun intended).

[Todd4State]

Our whole ST situation is bush league, so why shouldn't a thread about it be the same? Not getting how our coaches don't see it as vital to success. I guarantee that the championship teams will have reliable kickers from 49 in.

Alabama disagrees.

[dawgclub99]

I agree with C34 on this one. Some of you are so on edge that news like this could make you cave in.

[DownwardDawg]

Alabama disagrees.

Todd, Bama would have played for the NC last year if they would have had a decent kicker. Saban went for it earlier on 4th because he didn't have a kicker that he trusted. Auburn stopped them, then scored a TD on the following drive. Bama wins if they can make a short FG.

[deltadawg99]

This thread is garbage

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

The "rumor" is a 3rd string kicker may have left. That is the rumor and no way truth yet.

Guys, not worth a freak out. Simma down now

[Coach34]

The "rumor" is a 3rd string kicker may have left. That is the rumor and no way truth yet.

Guys, not worth a freak out. Simma down now

Since Ennis spilled it- I didn't completely post it because it came to me thru a PM- not from people I know in Sville. It's why I said "rumor". I didn't want to call out the kicker like that without some confirmation somewhere.

[#660000]

So would that be Graves or McGrath?

ETA: Not insinuating, only asking who is third string.

[Buddy]

The "rumor" is a 3rd string kicker may have left. That is the rumor and no way truth yet.

Guys, not worth a freak out. Simma down now

Wouldn't surprise me at all if true. He wants a starting job and a scholarship.... and he is apparently getting neither at this time from MSU. I wish he'd stick it out, work on his craft and pay his dues.... he could be our starter somewhere down the line.

[Eric Nies Grind Time]

I am guessing it was McGrath that left. He didn't come here to not start.

[quickstrike2]

The "rumor" is a 3rd string kicker may have left. That is the rumor and no way truth yet.

Guys, not worth a freak out. Simma down now

Thank you, that wasn't that difficult.

[steeldawg]

Since Ennis spilled it- I didn't completely post it because it came to me thru a PM- not from people I know in Sville. It's why I said "rumor". I didn't want to call out the kicker like that without some confirmation somewhere.

So why post anything at all? Journalists with leads on something but no confirmation don't say "rumblings coming out of Starkville but I'm not gonna say what they are," that's just a waste of everyone's time and, in most cases, starts rumors way worse than what you are trying to keep from everyone.

I know it's your board so I'm just wasting space... But this thread was complete garbage.

[maroonmania]

Given we statistically have what amounts to right at the worst FG kicking in D1, if McGrath can't win a starting job here and is bound and determined to get one then he should seriously consider D2 or below. I mean that in all sincerity. He will find no better opportunity in D1 to win a starting job than ours.

[RiverCityDawg]

I am guessing it was McGrath that left. He didn't come here to not start.

Not only that, but based on Mullen's last press conference he was a distant third. Mullen said Sobiesk and Graves have really distances themselves from the others. If he can't beat out those two, I'm not sure any of this really matters.

[HoopsDawg]

Not only that, but based on Mullen's last press conference he was a distant third. Mullen said Sobiesk and Graves have really distances themselves from the others. If he can't beat out those two, I'm not sure any of this really matters.

Man, I hope Graves is legit.

[#660000]

Man, I hope Graves is legit.

http://www.hailstate.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=90891&SPID=10997&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=16800&ATCLID=209537261&Q_SEASON=2014



Kicked off 78 times for 4,353 yards with 45 touchbacks (57.7 percent) ... Converted 50-of-54 points after touchdowns (92.6 percent) ... Drilled 11-of-17 field goals (64.7 percent) ... Totaled 83 points as a senior and received the squad?s special team award ... Drilled a 48-yard field goal against Presbyterian Christian during senior year

[starkvegasdawg]

http://www.hailstate.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=90891&SPID=10997&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=16800&ATCLID=209537261&Q_SEASON=2014

Sorry. Those stats don't just get me all excited. Better than what we have had on the field the last few seasons but far from what I consider solid. His kickoffs are averaging 56 yards which means they would land around the 9 in a college game. Missing 4 extra points is not acceptable unless they were botched snaps or blocked due to a breakdown on the line and 65% on FG's is too low for a SEC team.

We need a kicker that can routinely drive a kickoff through the back of the end zone, can kick an extra point blindfolded and is 80%+ on FG. Not asking for the next Morten Anderson to be on the roster every season but certainly better than what we have been trotting out there.

[FISHDAWG]

JJ McGrath @JJMcGrath37 ? Aug 14
Last day at the farm! Can't wait to get back to some level ground, and decent grass.

[thf24]

We need a kicker that can routinely drive a kickoff through the back of the end zone

We've at least got that in Devon Bell. It just depends on whether Dan will let him do it this year, or continue to play with fire by having him intentionally kick at the goal line to try to start the other team behind the 25.

[Buddy]

Sorry. Those stats don't just get me all excited. Better than what we have had on the field the last few seasons but far from what I consider solid. His kickoffs are averaging 56 yards which means they would land around the 9 in a college game. Missing 4 extra points is not acceptable unless they were botched snaps or blocked due to a breakdown on the line and 65% on FG's is too low for a SEC team.

We need a kicker that can routinely drive a kickoff through the back of the end zone, can kick an extra point blindfolded and is 80%+ on FG. Not asking for the next Morten Anderson to be on the roster every season but certainly better than what we have been trotting out there.

Devin Bell will handle kickoffs.... so no worries there. We just need someone that can make field goals consistently from inside 40 yards.

[Coach34]

We don't allow our kicker to kick it in the end zone. That's by design

Now ow that the ball comes out to the 25 on touchbacks- we ask our kickers to kick it high and aim for the 5 yardline in an attempt to keep the team inside the 25 to start

[starkvegasdawg]

We don't allow our kicker to kick it in the end zone. That's by design

Now ow that the ball comes out to the 25 on touchbacks- we ask our kickers to kick it high and aim for the 5 yardline in an attempt to keep the team inside the 25 to start

I knew a lot of the times we did do that by design. But, for those times when we play a team with an elite return man I like knowing we can take that part of the game away from the opponent if we wanted to. I forgot Bell did the kicking off. Last season was too long ago.

My main thing is that this season has a chance to be like no other in recent history and I would hate to see it derailed because we don't have anybody that can put the ball between the uprights at better than a 50% rate.

[drunkernhelldawg]

I knew a lot of the times we did do that by design. But, for those times when we play a team with an elite return man I like knowing we can take that part of the game away from the opponent if we wanted to. I forgot Bell did the kicking off. Last season was too long ago.

My main thing is that this season has a chance to be like no other in recent history and I would hate to see it derailed because we don't have anybody that can put the ball between the uprights at better than a 50% rate.

I'd rather just kick it out of the endzone every damn time. That's high ball to the 5 is way too cute for my taste.

[notsofarawaydawg]

It involves one of our kickers

Hey .. at least Coach34 is generating traffic from the Bear faithful. Keeps 'em on their toes.

[Coach34]

Hey .. at least Coach34 is generating traffic from the Bear faithful. Keeps 'em on their toes.

They need to make sure and click a damn ad while they are here

[archdog]

I heard that Dak is going to kick it.** I bet Jameon could.

[archdog]

Maybe we will get that "Kid" from House Party. Boom old reference.
Just looked it up, dude is fifty now. Time for some throw back remakes.

[archdog]

I was thinking of the movie Class Act.

[starkvegasdawg]

Kathy Ireland still available?

[Johnson85]

http://www.hailstate.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=90891&SPID=10997&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=16800&ATCLID=209537261&Q_SEASON=2014

That's all off a tee I'm guessing. 64.7 percent in high school off a tee doesn't sound like a kicker that is going to come in and make us decent at FG's, especially if 48 yds was his long. Also, Mullen would have had to say that Graves was separating himself, not that Graves and Sobiesk were separating themselves. That sounds like Graves will be at best a little better than SObiesk was last year.

[archdog]

Kathy Ireland still available?
707

If only.

[War Machine Dawg]

Sorry. Those stats don't just get me all excited. Better than what we have had on the field the last few seasons but far from what I consider solid. His kickoffs are averaging 56 yards which means they would land around the 9 in a college game. Missing 4 extra points is not acceptable unless they were botched snaps or blocked due to a breakdown on the line and 65% on FG's is too low for a SEC team.

We need a kicker that can routinely drive a kickoff through the back of the end zone, can kick an extra point blindfolded and is 80%+ on FG. Not asking for the next Morten Anderson to be on the roster every season but certainly better than what we have been trotting out there.

Not to mention HS Ks get to use a tee. I'll never understand why we don't go recruit a badass JUCO K every couple of years. So much less guesswork with those guys.

[ghostofjackie]

I just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread. Thanks Coach

[MetEdDawg]

For as much talent as we've been able to develop and generate during the Mullen era, it shocks me that we can't do any better than we have developing guys in the kicking game.

You can look back at both of those games we won in overtime last year against Arkansas and Ole Miss and point to FG kicking as the reason why we could have lost both overtime games and gone 4-8. We clearly weren't that bad a team, but you make both of those end game FGs (which were very reasonable) and OT isn't necessary.

This really concerns me and I think when you look at limiting factors during the course of the year, special teams and most specifically our FG game is our limiting factor. I think we go 8-4 or 9-3 but lose a winnable game because we miss an easy FG at a critical time in the game like LSU last year or miss one at the end of a game and lose in OT. I truly hope that isn't the case and our ST comes out confident, but it's hard not to look at ST and wonder how far they've come and how far we can go with them.

[tcdog70]

slow ass Board, so Coach puts up this bullshit to stir the pot. he usually does it by bashing Stansbury. Nice 34. it's good to know you have so much integrity with what you post. ***

[Dawg61]

Not to mention HS Ks get to use a tee. I'll never understand why we don't go recruit a badass JUCO K every couple of years. So much less guesswork with those guys.

This!! Plus a kicker only has about 2 years before the fans want him gone anyways so might as well just recycle them every two years.

[drunkernhelldawg]

For as much talent as we've been able to develop and generate during the Mullen era, it shocks me that we can't do any better than we have developing guys in the kicking game.

You can look back at both of those games we won in overtime last year against Arkansas and Ole Miss and point to FG kicking as the reason why we could have lost both overtime games and gone 4-8. We clearly weren't that bad a team, but you make both of those end game FGs (which were very reasonable) and OT isn't necessary.

This really concerns me and I think when you look at limiting factors during the course of the year, special teams and most specifically our FG game is our limiting factor. I think we go 8-4 or 9-3 but lose a winnable game because we miss an easy FG at a critical time in the game like LSU last year or miss one at the end of a game and lose in OT. I truly hope that isn't the case and our ST comes out confident, but it's hard not to look at ST and wonder how far they've come and how far we can go with them.

I think players need and want to be coached. Even kickers. Special teams is a critical aspect of a winning team. At this point, I think it was a mistake to take the job from Bell.

[Johnson85]

I think players need and want to be coached. Even kickers. Special teams is a critical aspect of a winning team. At this point, I think it was a mistake to take the job from Bell.

I wonder whether Bell didn't want to give up the job as much as it was taken from him.

[ShotgunDawg]

For as much talent as we've been able to develop and generate during the Mullen era, it shocks me that we can't do any better than we have developing guys in the kicking game.

You can look back at both of those games we won in overtime last year against Arkansas and Ole Miss and point to FG kicking as the reason why we could have lost both overtime games and gone 4-8. We clearly weren't that bad a team, but you make both of those end game FGs (which were very reasonable) and OT isn't necessary.

This really concerns me and I think when you look at limiting factors during the course of the year, special teams and most specifically our FG game is our limiting factor. I think we go 8-4 or 9-3 but lose a winnable game because we miss an easy FG at a critical time in the game like LSU last year or miss one at the end of a game and lose in OT. I truly hope that isn't the case and our ST comes out confident, but it's hard not to look at ST and wonder how far they've come and how far we can go with them.

The development of kickers is very tricky and difficult thing. Even Alabama has had major kicking issues in the past 5 years, and you would think they would be able to recruit good kickers.

Auburn & Georgia seem to be the two schools that always have good kickers & I'm not sure why.

That being said, Kicking is a difficult thing to coach because you can't be a "blue collar" kicker and just working hard doesn't really make you a better kicker. Kicking is more mental than physical and the more you coach someone on the physical part of it, the more they can lose the mental side and become too technical.

Coaching kicking is a lot like trying to teach a basketball player to be a better free throw shooter or teaching a pitcher how to throw more strikes and not walk everybody. It requires a different type of coaching.

The best way to coach kicking is to recruit kids that make a a lot of field goals and leave them alone.

[Really Clark?]

The job wasn't taken from Bell. He shanked the job away in games. Then the back up goes 0-2 the next two games. Bell gets the job back for Arkansas and goes 1 for 3. And this was his second year. If anything most people were ready to crucify Mullen for staying with Bell as long as he did. Then punt debacle at A & M and I was worried Bell wouldn't make it home safely.

[Ralph]

+1 for using the proper spelling of Busch in "Busch league."

Actually, Bush League is the correct spelling. It originated from referring to teams that didnt play in a city, rather out in the "bushes", or "out in the country". Didnt come from NASCAR despite the beer sponsor.

[I seen it dawg]

slow ass Board, so Coach puts up this bullshit to stir the pot. he usually does it by bashing Stansbury. Nice 34. it's good to know you have so much integrity with what you post. ***

Keep posting and reading. Good job.

[Coach34]

Keep posting and reading. Good job.

i notice he isn't running his mouth about Ray having no chance at Newman these days...

[maroonmania]

The job wasn't taken from Bell. He shanked the job away in games. Then the back up goes 0-2 the next two games. Bell gets the job back for Arkansas and goes 1 for 3. And this was his second year. If anything most people were ready to crucify Mullen for staying with Bell as long as he did. Then punt debacle at A & M and I was worried Bell wouldn't make it home safely.

If you've listened to quotes from Bell its obvious he didn't really want the FG kicking job to begin with.

[Bully Dee Williams]

So, McGrath has left the team according to twitter. Am I late on this? Was that the rumor?

[maroonmania]

So, McGrath has left the team according to twitter. Am I late on this? Was that the rumor?

We can neither confirm not deny this.

[DudyDawg]

Yes. Robbie Faulk confirms it. Scares me that he wasn't good enough to compete for the job and left. Maybe I should try to be glass half full and hope it means our other guys have progressed. Where he's transferring isn't known

[defiantdog]

So, McGrath has left the team according to twitter. Am I late on this? Was that the rumor?

Yeah.... This was kind of expected since he never got the starting job or a scholarship.

[Really Clark?]

If you've listened to quotes from Bell its obvious he didn't really want the FG kicking job to begin with.

I meant to reply with quotes from the poster saying that job shouldn't have been taken from Bell. I know what Bell said just find it very strange how a year later and some are thinking that we wasn't given enough opportunity.

[drunkernhelldawg]

The development of kickers is very tricky and difficult thing. Even Alabama has had major kicking issues in the past 5 years, and you would think they would be able to recruit good kickers.

Auburn & Georgia seem to be the two schools that always have good kickers & I'm not sure why.

That being said, Kicking is a difficult thing to coach because you can't be a "blue collar" kicker and just working hard doesn't really make you a better kicker. Kicking is more mental than physical and the more you coach someone on the physical part of it, the more they can lose the mental side and become too technical.

Coaching kicking is a lot like trying to teach a basketball player to be a better free throw shooter or teaching a pitcher how to throw more strikes and not walk everybody. It requires a different type of coaching.

The best way to coach kicking is to recruit kids that make a a lot of field goals and leave them alone.

I agree that it's head most, but the best coaches and teachers are all about attitude and viewpoint. Psychology.

[scottycameron]

Actually, Bush League is the correct spelling. It originated from referring to teams that didnt play in a city, rather out in the "bushes", or "out in the country". Didnt come from NASCAR despite the beer sponsor.

I can't imagine anyone thinking the phrase came from nascars. That is a first. Do you really know someone who has said that?

[gtowndawg]

Yeah.... This was kind of expected since he never got the starting job or a scholarship.

maybe he quit before classes officially start?

Seems weird, no doubt.

[blacklistedbully]

How bad does another kicker have to be to lose out to last year's kickers?

[GreenheadDawg]

I have lost some of my wool. I guess i gave this guy too much credit. If we don't have a kicker that can make it inside of 40 yards more times than not, well we all may be disappointed this season

[Coach34]

It tells me our kickers are doing better than expected if this guy was running 3rd

Him walking in and taking the job would have been more disappointing

[codeDawg]

It tells me our kickers are doing better than expected if this guy was running 3rd

Him walking in and taking the job would have been more disappointing

This is my take too.

[RougeDawg]

Does anyone think our kicking woes could be due to what I've been saying for 2 years, that an actual former kicker told me???? That Mullen tinkers with and tries to change multiple aspects of our kickers all at the same time, instead of working on changing one mechanic at a time?? Could this be the reason? Will any of you finally listen to this?

[EdDawg]

I think we will be pleased with Sobiesk's progress. His field goal to win the Egg Bowl was not shanked, it was very close. I know it doesn't matter how close because a miss is a miss, but he did come through and tie the game, and he was a freshman that only had a few games of experiences behind him.

If he makes the field goal to win the Egg Bowl in regulation do y'all feel more confident in his abilities?

[tcdog70]

i notice he isn't running his mouth about Ray having no chance at Newman these days...

i don't think I have ever mentioned Ray's chance with Newman-Hope he gets Him. I have mentioned that I think Ray is a terrible Coach and has been way over His head. he hasn't recruited for Shit and hasn't developed a Point Guard so far. I will say that he has set some records while Coaching-like most losses in a row.. Remind me to avoid the Denver Airport.

[mparkerfd20]

i don't think I have ever mentioned Ray's chance with Newman-Hope he gets Him. I have mentioned that I think Ray is a terrible Coach and has been way over His head. he hasn't recruited for Shit and hasn't developed a Point Guard so far. I will say that he has set some records while Coaching-like most losses in a row.. Remind me to avoid the Denver Airport.

Very well said. I haven't said as much, but have pretty much felt the same way. Hope he proves me wrong this year.

[PMDawg]

It tells me our kickers are doing better than expected if this guy was running 3rd

Him walking in and taking the job would have been more disappointing

This contradicts your very first post on the subject.