Nick James

[DudyDawg]

Better look like this at DWS in about a month. Monster

https://vine.co/v/M9WnbdEQ5Jv

[engie]

Wow -- Jocquell probably hasn't had that happen to him many times in his career thusfar...

[CadaverDawg]

Hell yes, Nick James! Get out there and make yourself a millionaire with that mean streak, man

[DudyDawg]

Lot of great vines from the football twitter go look and watch for those interested in the practice. @HailStateFB

[GreenheadDawg]

I'm more excited about him than anyone else I think

[defiantdog]

Damn he's strong as hell

[msstate7]

Wow -- Jocquell probably hasn't had that happen to him many times in his career thusfar...

Yeah. I hope that's just how good nick is and not an indictment against Johnson

[Political Hack]

there's no such thing as a five step drop against him and Chris Jones. I just can't see any team in America brin able to do that.

[defiantdog]

Dontavian Lee man handling JT Gray.... https://vine.co/v/M9Wv5TxwK0w

[War Machine Dawg]

Holy. Shit. Do y'all have any idea how wooly seeing that makes me?

Speaking of practice, are any of them open to the public? WMD would love to go catch one and do a preseason report.

[defiantdog]

Holy. Shit. Do y'all have any idea how wooly seeing that makes me?

Speaking of practice, are any of them open to the public? WMD would love to go catch one and do a preseason report.

Today only.... the rest are locked down

[starkvegasdawg]

That's Nick James, bitch!

[War Machine Dawg]

Damn, figures it'd be the one day I literally have no way to go. Oh well. 4 weeks.

[Offshore Dawg]

Who was that butt licking bear that said Nick would never play. ( Take that you POS little toddy bear )

[3dawgnight15]

If you watch the stretching Vine notice how big Elijah Staley is. He may or may not be QB1 in the future but he is huge

[starkvegasdawg]

Think about it. If our d-line can regularly get that kind of pressure there will be no such thing as an opposing offense having a deep ball threat against us. Receivers won't have time to get downfield.

[Coach34]

Thats great. I love seeing Eulls get all pumped up too. It's that kind of stuff that makes me miss coaching

James looks to be a good shape also. He could play a huge role this year. James, Jones, Eulls, and PJ give us one of the best DT groups in the SEC

[Political Hack]

juice points.

[Statecoachingblows**]

Goosebumps

[Todd4State]

I'm telling y'all right now- our best d-line group would be:

DE Chris Jones
DT PJ Jones
DT Nick James
DE Preston Smith

[GreenheadDawg]

I'm telling y'all right now- our best d-line group would be:

DE Chris Jones
DT PJ Jones
DT Nick James
DE Preston Smith

Agreed, Todd. I would love to see that

[Statefan]

I'm telling y'all right now- our best d-line group would be:

DE Chris Jones
DT PJ Jones
DT Nick James
DE Preston Smith

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/07/esq-wool-in-summer-052813-ehvtrC-xlg.jpg

[MSUDawg4Life]

I'm telling y'all right now- our best d-line group would be:

DE Chris Jones
DT PJ Jones
DT Nick James
DE Preston Smith

I'd rather see us rotate two full lines like we did in '99. Much more dominate than trying to settle on one defensive line unit.

[Coach34]

Jones weighs 307- he cant play DE anymore unless its in a 3 man front. He has outgrown the position

[Dawgcentral]

I'd rather see us rotate two full lines like we did in '99. Much more dominate than trying to settle on one defensive line unit.
I agree with this. Keeping everyone fresh is a priority. Platooning the defensive line will be the difference in pressuring the QB and actually getting to him.

Hell. I think we can platoon the LBs also, though I think that'll be more of a substitution situation due to down, distance, and what the offensive tendencies are in a given situation.

[msstate7]

Love seeing nick blow up an o'lineman, but I wanna see him do it several times in a row. The question mark with nick is his game shape and him keeping his head in the game.

[MSUDawg4Life]

I want to see Nick James blasting somebody like that in the fourth quarter with the game on the line.

[defiantdog]

Don't sell Ryan Brown short at DE

[CadaverDawg]

I'm telling y'all right now- our best d-line group would be:

DE Chris Jones
DT PJ Jones
DT Nick James
DE Preston Smith

I like that for possible run situations...but move Chris inside and put Ryan or AJ outside on obvious passing downs

[FISHDAWG]

looks like he wouldn't do to bad at off guard or tackle

[cheewgumm]

Amen Todd

[Bully13]

I'd rather see us rotate two full lines like we did in '99. Much more dominate than trying to settle on one defensive line unit.

this X 100. that '99 D-Line was a thing of pure beauty. Mullen should call up JWS so he, Collins and JWS have a long meeting about how best to incorporate it.

[Homedawg]

Jones weighs 307- he cant play DE anymore unless its in a 3 man front. He has outgrown the position

This. He can play a 5 tech maybe. But he can't play de in a 4-3. He's a way bigger factor taking up two blockers at dt at either the one or 3.

[bulldawg28]

AJ Jefferson is a man!!! No way he sits which is even better for us. Jones and James in the middle together makes any blitz wide open.

[smootness]

Jones weighs 307- he cant play DE anymore unless its in a 3 man front. He has outgrown the position

Disagree. I think he still has the quickness and speed to be able to play on the outside. I do think he's better off inside most of the time, but Reggie White was 300.

But for those talking about 2 DLs, I completely agree. Think about rotating these two lines:

Preston Smith
Chris Jones
PJ Jones
AJ Jefferson

Ryan Brown
Nick James
Kaleb Eulls
Will Coleman/John Harris/Torrey Dale

And that doesn't even include Nelson Adams or any of the freshmen.

[msstate7]

Disagree. I think he still has the quickness and speed to be able to play on the outside. I do think he's better off inside most of the time, but Reggie White was 300.

But for those talking about 2 DLs, I completely agree. Think about rotating these two lines:

Preston Smith
Chris Jones
PJ Jones
AJ Jefferson

Ryan Brown
Nick James
Kaleb Eulls
Will Coleman/John Harris/Torrey Dale

And that doesn't even include Nelson Adams or any of the freshmen.

If Reggie white can play de at 300, so can you, Chris jones. You're ever bit as good as Reggie***

I do think Chris jones could potentially play end, but maybe it's too early to compare him to Reggie

[BeardoMSU]

Disagree. I think he still has the quickness and speed to be able to play on the outside. I do think he's better off inside most of the time, but Reggie White was 300.



Exactly. Its more about how he carries the weight. It's not like he's 6'3" 300+. The dude is a legit 6'6" with a statuesque body that would make Michelangelo cream his pants. His explosiveness and speed have not tapered off with the added weight. I honestly think the main reason he was moved to DT last year had more to do with his lack of polished technique, as opposed to him being "more fit" to play the position. Last year he was essentially playing off of pure athleticism. Once that boy gets his mechanics (etc.) down, he'll be unstoppable, regardless if it's at DT or DE.

That being said, I do agree that him and Nick James at DT both requiring double-teams, basically makes our blitzes unstoppable. That makes me feel dirty just thinking about how nasty that could be.....

[Schultzy]

The problem for opposing offenses is, in my opinion, that with this dl we don't even have to blitz.

[BeardoMSU]

The problem for opposing offenses is, in my opinion, that with this dl we don't even have to blitz.

Hopefully you're right. Getting pressure with just our front 4 will be key this year.

[smootness]

If Reggie white can play de at 300, so can you, Chris jones. You're ever bit as good as Reggie***

I do think Chris jones could potentially play end, but maybe it's too early to compare him to Reggie

Why does everyone assume that any time one player is used as a comparison in any way to another, then they must be comparing them in all ways?

He said that CJ has 'outgrown' DE. By using Reggie White, who played at 6'5" 300, I was showing that it's not a fact that once someone gets to that size, they definitely can't play DE anymore. I wasn't saying Chris Jones = Reggie White, but he is a similar size (in fact, CJ probably has less belly fat right now if you look at pictures of White playing). In fact, heck, if Reggie White is the greatest to ever play, maybe 6'5" 300 is actually prototypical DE size.

Obviously I know that it isn't, but if you can play at that size with the speed and quickness to play DE (which CJ may or may not be able to do, we really don't know), then why not?

[engie]

If Reggie white can play de at 300, so can you, Chris jones. You're ever bit as good as Reggie***

I do think Chris jones could potentially play end, but maybe it's too early to compare him to Reggie

Well, in that case, why don't you go ahead and come up with a prototype for us to compare Chris Jones to? Should be pretty easy, right?

[msstate7]

Why does everyone assume that any time one player is used as a comparison in any way to another, then they must be comparing them in all ways?

He said that CJ has 'outgrown' DE. By using Reggie White, who played at 6'5" 300, I was showing that it's not a fact that once someone gets to that size, they definitely can't play DE anymore. I wasn't saying Chris Jones = Reggie White, but he is a similar size (in fact, CJ probably has less belly fat right now if you look at pictures of White playing). In fact, heck, if Reggie White is the greatest to ever play, maybe 6'5" 300 is actually prototypical DE size.

Obviously I know that it isn't, but if you can play at that size with the speed and quickness to play DE (which CJ may or may not be able to do, we really don't know), then why not?

I realize you weren't saying they're equal players. It's just you used one player (the best de ever) as an example of a 300 lb de.

[Schultzy]

He looked good off the end against lsu. Just ask their right tackle.

[smootness]

I realize you weren't saying they're equal players. It's just you used one player (the best de ever) as an example of a 300 lb de.

Either way, it proves the point wrong that Chris Jones has outgrown DE. He may have, he may not have.

It would be like saying a basketball player with great quickness, great handle, and great vision has outgrown PG because he's 6'6" now.

[msstate7]

Well, in that case, why don't you go ahead and come up with a prototype for us to compare Chris Jones to? Should be pretty easy, right?

How about a quicker, slimmer version of dorsett Davis. Obviously Chris is more talented

[engie]

How about a quicker, slimmer version of dorsett Davis. Obviously Chris is more talented

No comparison.

And that's my point. It's ridiculous to label what many believe to be a once-in-a-generation talent and try to define what he can and can't be... after his THIRD YEAR OVERALL of organized football...

He looked pretty damn good at DE last year. He's got measureables that literally may end up being unable to compare to anyone that's played the game before...

Yet people want to look at his weight and label him a DT -- and I just don't understand it?

[bulldawg28]

How about a quicker, slimmer version of dorsett Davis. Obviously Chris is more talented

Nooooooo. Dorsett couldn't carry a freshman Chris Jones's jockstrap. As mentioned by Engie he's got God given talent beyond measure. IF there is a drawback it's that he has to adjust to being 300 lbs. Once every part of his body is normalized at whatever weight he'll play he has the potential to be All everything.

[cheewgumm]

It seems like he has to play DT because we have better DEs than DTs do we have to out him there.

What will happen is :

He will beg to play DE his whole career , but won't.
He will go to NFL and become Reggie white 2.0.
We'll talk for years about what if we would have played him more at DE. Ha

Honestly i think it won't matter much as he helps tremendously wherever.

[Tbonewannabe]

Exactly. Its more about how he carries the weight. It's not like he's 6'3" 300+. The dude is a legit 6'6" with a statuesque body that would make Michelangelo cream his pants. His explosiveness and speed have not tapered off with the added weight. I honestly think the main reason he was moved to DT last year had more to do with his lack of polished technique, as opposed to him being "more fit" to play the position. Last year he was essentially playing off of pure athleticism. Once that boy gets his mechanics (etc.) down, he'll be unstoppable, regardless if it's at DT or DE.

That being said, I do agree that him and Nick James at DT both requiring double-teams, basically makes our blitzes unstoppable. That makes me feel dirty just thinking about how nasty that could be.....

Clowney played inside his freshman year also. Most freshmen don't have the technique to be very successful against a good SEC LT.

[whosyourdawgy]

Did y'all even listen to Chris jones yesterday. Collins has more packages that put him in at de and Jones is really excited about that. Also listening to Collins on every interview, we are gonna platoon the entire Dline. Starters mean absolutely nothing. We are absolutely loaded at this spot. Only one person in this entire thread mentioned Nelson Adams, which shows how deep we are because Nelson will see plenty of action in that rotation too. Psycho defense is just that. Never know who or what is gonna happen on a given play.

[Coach34]

Chris is not quick enough at 307 to play a 4-3 DE- he will be an outstanding 3-4 DE and that will probably be his NFL position

Watch Smith come off the edge and then you can see the difference

[mic]

We will have so many different looks with future NFL guys on defense Coach Collins probably has a hard on with all the possibilities ...
Basically every football preview from magazines to college football breakdowns have our DL in the top half of SEC and a few in top of NCAA and they aren't even considering much from Nick James...

[Political Hack]

C34 is right at the NFL level. He's good enough at the college level to play CB if we need him too.*** Just line his ass up and tell him to eat. He can play 0 and he can play rush end in the SEC, especially with our LBs behind him.

[engie]

Chris is not quick enough at 307 to play a 4-3 DE- he will be an outstanding 3-4 DE and that will probably be his NFL position

Watch Smith come off the edge and then you can see the difference

Feel free to show me the actual difference between he and Preston on film. Because it isn't in first step explosiveness -- or even 40 time for that matter...

[hacker]

Did y'all even listen to Chris jones yesterday. Collins has more packages that put him in at de and Jones is really excited about that. Also listening to Collins on every interview, we are gonna platoon the entire Dline. Starters mean absolutely nothing. We are absolutely loaded at this spot. Only one person in this entire thread mentioned Nelson Adams, which shows how deep we are because Nelson will see plenty of action in that rotation too. Psycho defense is just that. Never know who or what is gonna happen on a given play.

This.

Chris is adamant on being an end and they are letting him play end more this year.

He's not too ****ing big.

[thf24]

C34 is right at the NFL level. He's good enough at the college level to play CB if we need him too.*** Just line his ass up and tell him to eat. He can play 0 and he can play rush end in the SEC, especially with our LBs behind him.

Agreed. He's a 4-3 DT at the next level if all things stay the same, but he would be at no disadvantage against all but experienced, elite college LT's playing at end. Just ask the LSU RT from last year. He's going to dominate wherever he lines up.

[archdog]

I'm telling y'all right now- our best d-line group would be:

DE Chris Jones
DT PJ Jones
DT Nick James
DE Preston Smith

Agreed. Aj jefferson could turn some heads too.

[Todd4State]

My prototypical DE is a guy that is 6'7" 300 and runs a 4.7 40.

Prototypical as in if I could make one- which is pretty much limited to Xbox and "create your player".

The closest comps I can come to that are Reggie White and Julius Peppers.

[Todd4State]

Chris is not quick enough at 307 to play a 4-3 DE- he will be an outstanding 3-4 DE and that will probably be his NFL position

Watch Smith come off the edge and then you can see the difference

If I see Chris and he looks slower against USM, then I will agree.

[Pollodawg]

I don't care where they put Jones as long as he's making life miserable in SEC backfields all Fall.

[defiantdog]

It seems that NFL and colleges are both looking for DE's to be between 255 and 280 now. Reggie White is a dying breed for DE's. DE's are expected to be hybrid LB's now. And Julius Peppers is simply a freak of nature.... to be 6'7" 290 lbs and be that fast. A 308lb DE is unheard of in any defense. Granted.... Chris is a dynamic pass rusher, but with that 308 frame, it would be an incredible task to catch someone breaking to the sidelines.

[smootness]

If I see Chris and he looks slower against USM, then I will agree.

He was that weight last year, except it looks like he's removed a little fat and replaced it with muscle. My guess is that he'll be a little stronger, quicker, and faster than last year.

[smootness]

It seems that NFL and colleges are both looking for DE's to be between 255 and 280 now. Reggie White is a dying breed for DE's. DE's are expected to be hybrid LB's now. And Julius Peppers is simply a freak of nature.... to be 6'7" 290 lbs and be that fast. A 308lb DE is unheard of in any defense. Granted.... Chris is a dynamic pass rusher, but with that 308 frame, it would be an incredible task to catch someone breaking to the sidelines.

I agree with this to some degree, but Chris Jones is also a freak of nature.

[Todd4State]

It seems that NFL and colleges are both looking for DE's to be between 255 and 280 now. Reggie White is a dying breed for DE's. DE's are expected to be hybrid LB's now. And Julius Peppers is simply a freak of nature.... to be 6'7" 290 lbs and be that fast. A 308lb DE is unheard of in any defense. Granted.... Chris is a dynamic pass rusher, but with that 308 frame, it would be an incredible task to catch someone breaking to the sidelines.

Part of it is like Coach is saying- what front they use, whether it's a 4-3 or a 3-4.

But I also think part of it is because there aren't a lot of guys that are 6'7" 300 out there that run a 4.7 40. I'm just saying the Packers didn't have a problem putting Reggie White in a 4-3 despite his size. BUT he also had the speed and power he could play in any defensive system. Plus, I'm sure he probably moved around some on the d-line between DE and DT during games. He just happened to have the DE label.

[Todd4State]

He was that weight last year, except it looks like he's removed a little fat and replaced it with muscle. My guess is that he'll be a little stronger, quicker, and faster than last year.
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