Gamethread

[msstate7]

Our starting pitching problems continue.

[Coach34]

cant walk the first ****ing hitter of the game- bad shit usually follows

[msstate7]

South Carolina got a leadoff walk. How many pitches did we see our half inning?

[CadaverDawg]

Im pissed. Grab a beer, turn on the game all excited...and the dawgs deflate me immediately

[38843dawg]

Pretty sad that our Friday night starting pitcher is Pollo.

[msstate7]

Yep. Maybe pollo ready now.

[engie]

Clemson kicking the dog shit out of Florida St is hurting us too.

However, Auburn is up 2-0 on Arky -- so that helps to an extent. Ole Miss also down 2-0 already in the first.

We've got to get our shit together -- in a hurry.

[msstate7]

Pretty sad that our Friday night starting pitcher is Pollo.

Esp when pitching was suppose to be our strength. Pollo is a good midweek guy, but a midweek guy nonetheless

[engie]

Bracewell already to the pen. Must not like what they are seeing from Pollo.

Damnnnnn ittttt...

[Coach34]

what a shit AB by Rea- I hate that open stance bullshit...how in the **** do you take 2 inside pitches like that? He should have killed the 3rd baseman with one of them

[CadaverDawg]

Someone tell me why in the **** Armstrong is starting

[Coach34]

Armstrong or Henderson...Cohen baffles the mind sometime

[CadaverDawg]

No home field advantage for us in any sport. Wasted opportunity

[Coach34]

that quick little hesitation by CT at 3rd cost us a run- just that half a shuffle is the difference in scoring and not

****

[Drugdog]

We have hot to learn to QUIT jogging. Bad call but would not have been close if he had been running the whole time

[Drugdog]

He'll he was past the damn plate.
Reminds me of Dick pace. We just got Dicked.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

mr clutch renfroe, once again, not clutch. But his BA with RISP is soooooo high. Too bad it isnt when it counts.

[msstate7]

Baserunning again. We suck on the bases

[Coach34]

terrible AB by Renfroe

[msstate7]

Nice call starting Armstrong -- strike out and dp

[Coach34]

I'm getting to the point where I hate watching us play

[38843dawg]

What the **** has Armstrong done to earn a DH spot??

[Drugdog]

I agree 34. Like getting your teeth pulled while having a prostate exam....not fun....and I am drinking to numb the pain.

[Original48]

What the **** has Armstrong done to earn a DH spot??
Not be named Trey Porter.

ETA: I realize they are throwing a lefty...but my comment pretty much holds true.

[Coach34]

I agree 34....and I am drinking to numb the pain.

count me in as well

[Coach34]

Not be named Trey Porter.

If I'm Porter I would have taken my shit off in the dugout and let them have it about a month ago...he has been royally screwed over this year

[Original48]

Renfroe needs to come through here. Been struggling with runners on.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

Renfroe needs to come through here. Been struggling with runners on.

big time. We need this.

[Hump4Hoops]

This bed is about to get shitted in.

[Coach34]

and Renfroe lays another turd with RISP

[Original48]

Headed for something stronger. Beer aint cuttin it.

[msstate7]

and Renfroe lays another turd with RISP

Should we expect anything different? He just can't come through in the clutch

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

and Renfroe lays another turd with RISP

he has been doing it all season. This is why will james' charts are stupid.

[FFF]

he has been doing it all season. This is why will james' charts are stupid.

Baseball is played with people and not numbers... A stat can't show you that aspect...

[msstate7]

Does this team have another comeback in them?

[CadaverDawg]

I would rather see Tyler Fullerton DH than to have to watch Armstong hit again this year.

We have a right handed hitter named Mitch Slauter, and a lefty named Trey Porter that could both provide better hitting in the DH spot than Armstrong.

[Original48]

Not sure...but certainly needed a better sixt.

[38843dawg]

Where's the urgency and emotion from this team? It's like they have their bags packed for Eugene already.

[msstate7]

@MikeBBonner: Including tonight, MSU hasn't led in 8 of its last 10 SEC games after six.

[Coach34]

Where's the urgency and emotion from this team? It's like they have their bags packed for Eugene already.

well that's what we are dangerously close to

[CadaverDawg]

They ****ed up and made us pull our Cox out

[Hump4Hoops]

Time to guess how many men we leave on base this inning.

I'm gonna say it's a big inning for us - 3 left on base (0 runs scored).

[Drugdog]

Here comes our Favorite 3 numbers: 6,4,3.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

well at least om and arky are losing....so that helps

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

once again, Renfroe.

[msstate7]

I'd rather have anyone up with bases loaded than renblow

[CadaverDawg]

Damn it. That was such a bull shit call on Hunter

[FFF]

Yet another bad approach at the plate by hunter... He's had 3 opportunities to light up the scoreboard and blown every one of them.

[Hump4Hoops]

Time to guess how many men we leave on base this inning.

I'm gonna say it's a big inning for us - 3 left on base (0 runs scored).

Well, I guess when you prepare for the worst and get the worst, you just start feeling numb.

[RTO Dawg]

Shat

[CadaverDawg]

We have out hit them 9-7 and are down 4-1. We are....

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

I'd rather have anyone up with bases loaded than renblow

no no no. Renfroe leads the nation with runners on, after 8:39 on away games, with 2 outs and 1 strike, when it is overcast. On Saturdays.

[State82]

Renfroe is trying real hard to go ahead and lock down our RF position for next year.

[msstate7]

Renfroe is trying real hard to go ahead and lock down our RF position for next year.

Lol

[swdawg]

ha...ha...ha...


Renfroe is trying real hard to go ahead and lock down our RF position for next year.

[swdawg]

now, this is funny...


no no no. Renfroe leads the nation with runners on, after 8:39 on away games, with 2 outs and 1 strike, when it is overcast. On Saturdays.

[Coach34]

Damn it. That was such a bull shit call on Hunter

he's got to swing there and guard the plate...no excuse for that...0-3 with RISP tonight

[Original48]

I'm hoping Cord beats him out. Two outfielders that won't be at Mississippi State for 400 Alex.

[Hump4Hoops]

We are the home run kings of empty bases.

[Original48]

Wes' SIXT homerun!!

[msstate7]

hahaha...

I'm laughing too sw. This team is a joke. Beat up on weak teams and lose to good ones. I'm done letting this mediocre team get me upset

[FFF]

he's got to swing there and guard the plate...no excuse for that...0-3 with RISP tonight

Renfroe has left 13 runners left on base the last 2 games.

[msstate7]

Renfroe has left 13 runners left on base the last 2 games.

If he could hit with runners on base, he would run away with sec poy.

[Coach34]

How in the mother****in cocksuckin hell do you not bunt Armstrong there????????? Holy shit

[Political Hack]

score? inning?

[maroonmania]

If he could hit with runners on base, he would run away with sec poy.

Well I will cut him some slack there because that ball was 6 inches inside. Even if he had swung the BEST he might could have done would have been to foul it. This team in some way is snakebit, ump screws us there with that strike call on Renfroe and then Pirtle's ball is booted by the 3rd baseman but it bounces right back and stops at the base where the all the 3rd baseman has to do is grab it and touch the bag.

[WCUdawg88]

For as much grief we have been giving Henderson, he has been really good at the plate tonight.

[maroonmania]

I'm laughing too sw. This team is a joke. Beat up on weak teams and lose to good ones. I'm done letting this mediocre team get me upset

Well several have said this baseball team mirrors the football team in that respect. I'm starting to believe they are right because we beat most all the teams we are suppose to but can't beat the ones that are equal or better.

[msstate7]

Well several have said this baseball team mirrors the football team in that respect. I'm starting to believe they are right because we beat most all the teams we are suppose to but can't beat the ones that are equal or better.

Let me keep ripping them do we can win haha

[swdawg]

4-4 bot of 8th.

Dawgs have scored 3 runs across in the inning...

[Hump4Hoops]

Renfroe trying to leave 2 more on.

[Esmerelda Villalobos]

we need this hunter. that ct run was huge. man

[Coach34]

Renfroe gets another damn chance- c'mon Hunter

[Original48]

Would have been nice for Wes to hit his sevent.

[Drugdog]

These boys have elephantitis of the nuts.

[msstate7]

Why didnt holder start inning

[Original48]

Lefty I guess. But they're not wasting any time..looks like they're gonna go with the Duke.

[Quaoarsking]

Yeah, I don't see any reason why Holder didn't start the inning.

[Coach34]

If Holder was ready-that was dumb as shit to not let him start the inning- **** a damn match-up

[CadaverDawg]

Yyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeesssssssss Ssssssssiiiiiiiirrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!

[msstate7]

Yyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeesssssssss Ssssssssiiiiiiiirrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!

Awesome win. We need graveman to be the graveman earlier this year. Lock down a host site

[Hump4Hoops]

I still feel like we lost this game. I was mad for 7.5 innings, Happy for 1 inning, then it's over.

[engie]

This team is a joke.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4662561691076192&pid=1.7&w=250&h=173&c=7&rs=1

THIS is why you let the game play out before going full retard. About time the fanbase adopts the same NEVER SAY DIE attitude that this team exhibits in EVERY SINGLE DAMN GAME -- no matter the odds stacked against them.

[maroonmania]

Awesome win. We need graveman to be the graveman earlier this year. Lock down a host site

Yea, I knew we had it all the way! OK, maybe not.

[Coach34]

I still feel like we lost this game. I was mad for 7.5 innings, Happy for 1 inning, then it's over.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

[swdawg]

Thank you Engie. This should be pinned to the top of the page too.


http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4662561691076192&pid=1.7&w=250&h=173&c=7&rs=1

THIS is why you let the game play out before going full retard. About time the fanbase adopts the same NEVER SAY DIE attitude that this team exhibits in EVERY SINGLE DAMN GAME -- no matter the odds stacked against them.

[CadaverDawg]

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4662561691076192&pid=1.7&w=250&h=173&c=7&rs=1

THIS is why you let the game play out before going full retard. About time the fanbase adopts the same NEVER SAY DIE attitude that this team exhibits in EVERY SINGLE DAMN GAME -- no matter the odds stacked against them.

Hilarious

[Ronny]

1) This is the first game USCe has lost this year after leading going into the 8th inning.

2) I think this win is going to help our RPI.**

3) Stating the obvious, but Pollo is not a Fri. night pitcher (or tonight a Thurs. night pitcher). But I love the way the team nearly always finds a way to bail him out.

[msstate7]

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4662561691076192&pid=1.7&w=250&h=173&c=7&rs=1

THIS is why you let the game play out before going full retard. About time the fanbase adopts the same NEVER SAY DIE attitude that this team exhibits in EVERY SINGLE DAMN GAME -- no matter the odds stacked against them.

You right

[Todd4State]

Four things:

1. AWESOME WIN.

2. Hunter has to relax at the plate. He's trying to hit every ball 600 feet.

3. That umpire behind the plate should have his ass kicked.

4. Did I mention it was an awesome win?

[Will James]

Four things:

1. AWESOME WIN.

2. Hunter has to relax at the plate. He's trying to hit every ball 600 feet.

3. That umpire behind the plate should have his ass kicked.

4. Did I mention it was an awesome win?

5. Baserunning..... That is all.

[Will James]

Oh! Can't let this thread end without a big THANK YOU USCe for that bunt in the 9th. Yeah please give the best pitcher in the league a free out.

[Homedawg]

Oh! Can't let this thread end without a big THANK YOU USCe for that bunt in the 9th. Yeah please give the best pitcher in the league a free out.

So they had better odds to get 2 hits on holder than they did one? That makes perfect sense.

[Will James]

So they had better odds to get 2 hits on holder than they did one? That makes perfect sense.

They had a better chance to score from 1st with no outs than from 2nd with 1.

[engie]

They had a better chance to score from 1st with no outs than from 2nd with 1.

Trying to blindly apply that stat in this situation is bullshit. Sorry -- it just is.

How many innings has Holder given up an extra base hit or multiple hits? How many has he given up a single hit?

It's PERFECTLY logical to bunt a guy over there in hopes of getting one hit -- while conceding that you aren't going to get a double -- and you aren't going to string together two hits. They weren't playing for a big inning. They were playing for one run to extend the game.

[Todd4State]

Trying to blindly apply that stat in this situation is bullshit. Sorry -- it just is.

How many innings has Holder given up an extra base hit or multiple hits? How many has he given up a single hit?

It's PERFECTLY logical to bunt a guy over there in hopes of getting one hit -- while conceding that you aren't going to get a double -- and you aren't going to string together two hits. They weren't playing for a big inning. They were playing for one run to extend the game.

Exactly. One wild pitch by Holder, and then all of a sudden a fly ball ties the game. Not that he does that a lot either, but you get my point. It just puts a lot more things into play.

[Will James]

I think we see it different ways. You see "he is nearly untouchable let's try to get one of our next two to get a hit" where I see it as "he's nearly untouchable and you automatically make his job 1/3 easier no questions asked."

[Todd4State]

Hell, Holder proved against Alabama that even if you try to bunt against him, he has a good chance of striking you out.

[Will James]

Exactly. One wild pitch by Holder, and then all of a sudden a fly ball ties the game. Not that he does that a lot either, but you get my point. It just puts a lot more things into play.

WP to the bunter means 3 shots at a single, or bunt to 3rd and 2 shots at scoring. That goes both ways

[Homedawg]

I think we see it different ways. You see "he is nearly untouchable let's try to get one of our next two to get a hit" where I see it as "he's nearly untouchable and you automatically make his job 1/3 easier no questions asked."

You are so blinded by your saber metrics that u can't see you are actually arguing against yourself. You say he is untouchable. So if he is, doesn't it make sense that you are way more likely to get one hit as opposed to 2? Go back to your math book and figure that out. Makes no sense.

[Will James]

You don't need 2 hits. There are many outcomes to an at bat.

[FFF]

Exactly. One wild pitch by Holder, and then all of a sudden a fly ball ties the game. Not that he does that a lot either, but you get my point. It just puts a lot more things into play.

Holder doesn't necessarily give up a lot of hits, but just like you said, all they wanted to do was have a shot at extending the game, and moving a runner into scoring position with 2 outs to play with isn't a bad choice against one of the conferences best closers. Hell, Henderson bunted Ammo and CT over the half inning prior (against one of the conferences best closers)... and then beat the throw out for a single. You could make a very strong case that if he didn't bunt there, we wouldn't have won the game.

[Homedawg]

You don't need 2 hits. There are many outcomes to an at bat.

No shit. That's why I bunt against a premier closer. Just like you dont need a hit w a runner at second w one out. There are many outcomes to an at bat. I can play that.

[Todd4State]

WP to the bunter means 3 shots at a single, or bunt to 3rd and 2 shots at scoring. That goes both ways

If you get a runner to third with less than two outs, there are a lot more ways of scoring. Hit, ground ball, deep fly ball, squeeze.

[Todd4State]

One thing that needs to be said about this too- it depends on the hitter too. You probably wouldn't bunt Hunter Renfroe in that situation. A guy like Demarcus, you probably would. Again, you have to know your personnel and their strengths and what they can and can't do.

That's actually a big reason why a lot of college teams do bunt a lot, and high school teams as well- they don't have the power guys in general- even in the SEC which is the top conference in America. We're actually really fortunate to have Wes and Hunter to be honest with you. Also, a lot of teams don't hit as well as us even. MLB gets most of the elite power hitters- and it leaves college with raw power guys like Hunter or guys like Alex Detz- no offense to him, he's a good player.

I'm sure they've probably seen the sabermetric bunt stuff at some point, but when you're in game and you have a guy that's about a .250 hitter and he's facing a guy like Holder you have to also take into account the odds of that particular batter getting a hit in that situation, and sometimes based on those individual odds, it may be prudent to bunt. Especially if the manager feels like the odds of a strikeout or a double play are higher in that particular situation. At the very least you are taking yourself out of a double play situation and almost guaranteeing yourself two chances.

[Todd4State]

Holder doesn't necessarily give up a lot of hits, but just like you said, all they wanted to do was have a shot at extending the game, and moving a runner into scoring position with 2 outs to play with isn't a bad choice against one of the conferences best closers. Hell, Henderson bunted Ammo and CT over the half inning prior (against one of the conferences best closers)... and then beat the throw out for a single. You could make a very strong case that if he didn't bunt there, we wouldn't have won the game.

We beat Oral Roberts because we bunted with Slauter. That led to two runs which decided the game.

We have some really fast runners- Robson, Demarcus, Pirtle, Frost, etc. We would be foolish not to try to take advantage of their speed. I saw where some people were questioning Robson bunting the other night- that was a drag bunt that he should have bunted down the first base line like Demarcus did. Instead people should have been pissed that he bunted it the wrong way. Of course, it went down as a sac bunt, but again, that kind of scoring stuff skews stats sometimes.

Also, doing that kind of stuff forces a defense to account for it- which means bringing the third baseman in which opens up bigger holes to hit through on the infield.

Heck, Lou Brown in Major League explained this pretty well with Willie Mays Hayes.

They say Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle used to get some pretty cheap hits off of bunts back in the day on occasion. Although, I would be kind of pissed if I went to see Ruth and then he lays one down.