SEMO Game Thread?

[Dallas_Dawg]

Just turned it back on, 1-0 good guys top 3rd.
Sexton let SEMO load the bases in the first and then pitched out of a jam. Had a pretty easy second inning with a couple Ks
not sure how we scored

[Political Hack]

I'll take it. need to handle our business in almost every midweek game from this point forward.

[Dallas_Dawg]

From reading stats, looks like Armstrong knocked Pirtle in...
sexton gets pulled in 3rd with one on and two outs and two strikes to batter. V Tatum comes in and throws one pitch to strike out the batter. Randolph lets it hit the dirt and tries to throw it over Rea's head but Big Wes makes the play.
Heading to bottom 3rd...
If anyone else is watching, please try and update as I have to leave...

[jbjones]

Heck makes the play for the first out. 6 to 3 on the out, 1 down.

[jbjones]

1-2-3 Inning, headed to B4. Dogs 1-0.

[jbjones]

Heck and Pritle with a few flyouts...Armstrong nails one to 3rd. That'll do it for the dogs. 1-0 dogs.

[Political Hack]

thx for the updates. I'm checking back occasionally.

[Coach34]

What did Humphries do in his 1st AB?

[jbjones]

I want to say he had a base hit, but I was in and out of the house. So, not exactly sure.

[jbjones]

Coach Thompson headed to the mound. Tatum is likely headed to the dugout. Gentry is in. 9, 1 and 2 up. Leadoff walk issued by Tatum. No outs.

[messageboardsuperhero]

What did Humphries do in his 1st AB?

Weak pop out to 1B.

[jbjones]

1 down, good bunt in front of the plate, Gentry makes the play, but the runner advances.

[jbjones]

Runner at 3rd on an errant pick-off to 2nd. E on Gentry.

[jbjones]

Runners at the corners, 1 out. Walk issued got the runner to 1st.

[jbjones]

There's a K for Gentry. Runner went and makes it to 2nd. 2 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd.

[jbjones]

Damn, Gentry walks him. Bases loaded, 2 out.

[jbjones]

There's a line drive to left. 2-1 Redhawks, T 5th. 2 out.

[jbjones]

K for Gentry. 2 runs on 1 hit. 3 walks. 2-1 SEMO.

I've got another .5 inning left before I gotta run, if anyone can pick it up.

[MafiaDawg]

Looks like we're taking another mid week hitting dump.

[Dawg61]

There's a line drive to left. 2-1 Redhawks, T 5th. 2 out.

Damn thought we escaped it

[tcdog70]

Three walks, not good. Results in two runs

[jbjones]

Randolph leading off. Bottom of the 5th. Lifts it to Left. 1 down.

[Saltydog]

all the hosting talk. Unacceptable to continue to lose to these type teams.

[messageboardsuperhero]

And all three men who were on base when they hit the 2 RBI single were there via walk... Throw strikes, dammit.

[jbjones]

Humphries up, strikes out. 2 down. 2nd strike was a high ball Humphries failed to check his swing on. Caught looking.

Henderson flies out to Center. 3 up, and 3 down. Headed to the 6th, 2-1 SEMO.

Alright fellow Dawgs, I gotta run.

[Coach34]

and that is why Humphries doesnt start

[tcdog70]

Winkleman has retired nine Dogs in a row.

[Dawg61]

Humphries up, strikes out. 2 down. 2nd strike was a high ball Humphries failed to check his swing on. Caught looking.

Henderson flies out to Center. 3 up, and 3 down. Headed to the 6th, 2-1 SEMO.

Alright fellow Dawgs, I gotta run.

Thanks for the updates

[mstatefan91]

Why are we running through pitchers tonight?

[tcdog70]

Woodruff is pitching

[State82]

Decent top 6th for Woodruff. K and 2 groundouts with a 2 out walk mixed in but no damage.

[State82]

Vickerson filed out, Detz walked, Rea lined out, Pirtle walked. Seth Heck at the plate.

[Coach34]

college baseball is boring as **** with these bats. If we werent really good- I couldnt watch it. I used to watch other team play- cant do it anymore. I'd rather watch 2 old men put a jigsaw puzzle together- it would have more excitement

[State82]

Heck struck out.

[maroonmania]

We better wake up or we are going to have ANOTHER bad loss. At least I assume SEMO is not exactly considered a tough opponent?

[State82]

SEMO down 1,2,3 in 7th. Running out of outs here.

[State82]

We better wake up or we are going to have ANOTHER bad loss. At least I assume SEMO is not exactly considered a tough opponent?

I think they were 14-9 coming in. Alex Winkelman was 0-2 with a 6.91 era coming in to tonight.

[bully99]

Bot 7 in Pearl. USM 5 OM 3 Usm home team

[engie]

120ish RPI....

Need to just get it going here and put them away....

[State82]

Armstrong singles to start 7th.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Bunt... Dear sweet baby Jesus... Why?

[maroonmania]

That was SO freakin' stupid. Why didn't we just straight steal with Armstrong? Now we are stuck with Randolph as a base runner.

[bully99]

Garner must be in cohens doghouse. When is the last time he played.

[maroonmania]

Bunt... Dear sweet baby Jesus... Why?

And on a freakin' 2-0 count. Take a pitch, you might get a damn walk.

[bully99]

Jim Ellis has called this team southeast Louisiana about ten times tonight when not in commercial.

[Bucky Dog]

And on a freakin' 2-0 count. Take a pitch, you might get a damn walk.

Or take the bit off and swing away or maybe a hit and run.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Jim Ellis has called this team southeast Louisiana about ten times tonight when not in commercial.

I think he genuinely believes that is who we are playing...

[bully99]

Relied pitcher with 7 plus era

[maroonmania]

Or take the bit off and swing away or maybe a hit and run.

With Randolph it makes sense after getting to 2-0 to take at least one pitch to see if it goes to 3-0. Either way, Armstrong is the ONE guy on our team that we should not waste an out even trying to get him to second. Just SEND HIM on a steal! Probably would have had a higher percentage of a successful steal than a successful sacrifice and you don't even use up the out. Cohen just does some idiotic things at times.

[Bucky Dog]

Time for Vick to clear the bases

[maroonmania]

Jake "upper cut man" Vickerson with a sacrifice fly ball. Shocker.

[bully99]

Why are you stealing third with 2 outs..

[Coach34]

Now see Bully99- now THAT is something you can bitch about

[messageboardsuperhero]

I would NOT have sent a catcher to 3rd with 2 outs...

Really, Detz should have taken that pitch with three balls... Damn, we are just not on our game tonight.

[Coach34]

Why are you stealing third with 2 outs..

hit-n-run...wasnt a steal

[maroonmania]

And ANOTHER stupid baserunning call by our coaching staff there. Man in scoring position and we end the inning getting thrown out at third on a failed hit and run.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Why are you stealing third with 2 outs..

I agree for once.

[MarketingBully01]

Why try to steal 3rd on a 3-1 count when if Detz reaches you bring Rea up with the bases loaded. Especially when the runner is a catcher...Cohen ran us out of that inning.

[bully99]

Augie Garrido gets 1894 win most in ncca all divisions

[MarketingBully01]

Dumb as shit hit and run.

[Bucky Dog]

hit-n-run...wasnt a steal

You don't hit and run with two outs and you don't steal with a left handed batter. You never make the first or third out at third base!

[maroonmania]

Dumb as shit hit and run.

THIS all day.

[MarketingBully01]

That was ball 4 Detz swung at too.

[Coach34]

Dumb as shit hit and run.

especially since Detz swung at ball 4...he tried to rely on Detz's plate discipline- and of course it didnt work

[messageboardsuperhero]

especially since Detz swung at ball 4...he tried to rely on Detz's plate discipline- and of course it didnt work

This. It was a bad call, but Detz made a mistake.

[Coach34]

You don't hit and run with two outs and you don't steal with a left handed batter.

uhhhh- what? What rule is that?

I dont agree with the call there with Detz tho

[bully99]

Final usm 5. Tsun3

[Homedawg]

It wasn't a hit and run. It's a run and hit. Meaning the hitter should swing on any fastball that is going to be a strike. We 3-1 steal more than anyone in the country. And that's what they are taught. I'm not at the game and not watching either bit if he swung at a bad pitch as y'all say, which I believe, the he screwed up. Not saying I'm crazy about the play. Just point out what it was.

[Coach34]

It wasn't a hit and run. It's a run and hit. Meaning the hitter should swing on any fastball that is going to be a strike. We 3-1 steal more than anyone in the country. And that's what they are taught. I'm not at the game and not watching either bit if he swung at a bad pitch as y'all say, which I believe, the he screwed up. Not saying I'm crazy about the play. Just point out what it was.

yes- what homedawg said. And as I mentioned- Cohen was relying on Detz's plate discipline- and of course- he had none on that 3-1 pitch so we screw the pooch

[CadaverDawg]

Is it still 2-1?

[MarketingBully01]

We are tied 2-2 Cadaver.

[Homedawg]

yes- what homedawg said. And as I mentioned- Cohen was relying on Detz's plate discipline- and of course- he had none on that 3-1 pitch so we screw the pooch

Sorry, I didn't see your post. Didn't mean to be repetitive.

[CadaverDawg]

We are tied 2-2 Cadaver.

Oh, awesome. Thanks bro

[engie]

One of his more overmanaged games in awhile here...

[MarketingBully01]

Agreed, Engie.

[MarketingBully01]

Good pitching by Holder, 2-2 going to bottom of 8th.

[Will James]

The thing that irritates me much more than anything else is not maximizing our chances to win. We constantly year to year make stupid ass in game decisions that do not maximize our chances of winning a baseball game. I absolutely do not understand why Cohen does some things because the only logical explanation is wanting to fail.

[bully99]

Finals
Vandy 2 Belmont 1
Florida 4 Florida state 1
Cocks 4 C of C 2

[Will James]

We should never **** with Detz's plate appearances.

[Will James]

Do NOT like pinch running there. Could go extras.

[Will James]

Thank God Cohen is such a menace on the recruiting trail. Wins come despite him in many cases. Losses because of him.

[engie]

We should never **** with Detz's plate appearances.

Exactly.

Why get cute when a single scores the run anyway?

We've left 3-4 runs on the basepaths and at the plate tonight. It's one of those nights where everything he tries to do doesn't work -- and it makes the moves look dumber than they really are -- but still...No excuse...

Will, where's the bunting chart for this year? Curious to know where we stand with it...

[Coach34]

now HERE is where you bunt

[engie]

Here comes the bunt off 2 straight walks...

Surely we at least take a strike before we make Pirtle lay it down...

[Coach34]

Do NOT like pinch running there. Could go extras.

so what? Put Britton in...good move by Cohen

[Will James]

Exactly.

Why get cute when a single scores the run anyway?

We've left 3-4 runs on the basepaths and at the plate tonight. It's one of those nights where everything he tries to do doesn't work -- and it makes the moves look dumber than they really are -- but still...No excuse...

Will, where's the bunting chart for this year? Curious to know where we stand with it...

havent been keeping up but I know we've seem to have ****ed up many many bunts.

[MarketingBully01]

Maybe we will be able to pull it out despite Cohen tonight. Bases loaded no outs still 2-2 pitching change for SEMSU

[Will James]

Wonder if Detz could score from 3rd with no outs or was Robson necessary.

[engie]

havent been keeping up but I know we've seem to have ****ed up many many bunts.

Probably best to just not know...

It's driving me insane at this point though. To say the least.

[bully99]

Nice little bench clearing pushing match tonight between Florida and Florida State. Police came on the field to break it up.

[Bucky Dog]

Typical State. Two walks and a HBP to load the bases.

[bully99]

Serious question. Is Daniel Garner still on the team.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Are we seriously about to **** this up?

[MarketingBully01]

Ugh, a pop up and a strike out...typical State is right.

[Will James]

Ennis tell your boy to learn a mother****ing two strike approach. Swing the damn bat

[MarketingBully01]

Our only hope is that Ausie either throws a wild pitch or walks Randolph. We sure aren't going to win it ourselves.

[MarketingBully01]

Shit.

[messageboardsuperhero]

WHAT THE **** WAS ROBSON DOING?!?!?!

[messageboardsuperhero]

That was such a colossal **** up...

[MarketingBully01]

We even ****ed the wild pitch part. Robson should never see the field the rest of this year.

[Will James]

Holy shit!!!!! Outs away from hitting into them will ****ing kill you

[maroonmania]

We have the worst baserunning instincts of any team I have ever seen. Almost everything we do on the bases seems to backfire.

[engie]

Get put out at the plate on a 3-0 count where one more ball scores you...

SMDH... That's a ****ed up 100% play. You only go there if you can get to home standing up.

[MarketingBully01]

If you hesitate and are playing Johnny Grabass at third stay the **** there. Wasn't that ball 3 too?

[Saltydog]

nt

[Will James]

Detz wouldn't have tried to score there...

[maroonmania]

WHAT THE **** WAS ROBSON DOING?!?!?!

I don't know but it looked like he waited a full second before ever deciding to come home. Get the bases loaded FOR US by walks and a HBP and we STILL can't score.

[MarketingBully01]

Yeah, the Aussie would have walked Randolph scoring Robson. Why did he come home since he hesitated?

[messageboardsuperhero]

This is literally the worst game I've seen us play in two years...

[MarketingBully01]

Agreed.

[MarketingBully01]

3 hours I won't get back...

[bully99]

Final Tulane 3 LSU 2

[Will James]

This is literally the worst game I've seen us play in two years...

2-0 to Central Arkansas 2012 was pathetic. So was the final game of 2012. I will never forget 3-2 Samford.

[Political Hack]

score, inning?

[engie]

What does it take for Cohen to find his "not overmanaging" style that he had for the majority of last year?

A couple of doubles hitters?

[MarketingBully01]

Holder the one bright spot. Our two freshman pitchers and Woodruff did well as well. Offense has been offensive big time!

[MarketingBully01]

2-2 headed to Bottom of 9th.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Robson's still blowing my mind.

It's a 3-0 count. Another ball scores you. But IF you do go on the wild pitch, get your ass to the plate and do not hesitate. Unbelievable.

[Percho]

b9 2 2

[engie]

Pitching has been pretty good for a "by committee" approach...

And naturally, Randolph leads off with a single after we took the bat out of his hands in the previous inning...

[engie]

Bout time for Collins to put one in the gap and put them out of their misery...

[Will James]

What does it take for Cohen to find his "not overmanaging" style that he had for the majority of last year?

A couple of doubles hitters?

What makes it worse like we saw in 2012 is that playing Cohenball with bad hitters is actually WORSE than doing it with better hitters. Cohenball is bad but is made worse with a lesser lineup.

Thats the thing the "we don't have power so we have to play small ball" crowd doesn't get. The shit is bad baseball always, even more costly with lesser hitters because you are costing your team puts without having the bats to make up for the negative percentages.

[engie]

NVM...another sac bunt...

Let's see if it works out this time...

[messageboardsuperhero]

Wow. That was not pretty, but it was a win.

Let's put that one in the rearview mirror and play better this weekend.

[mstatefan91]

Walk off by Hendu. Good guys win an ugly one!

[engie]

That a baby Henderson!!!!

Glad we can put this one behind us. 3-2 Dawgs.

Bring on the Hawgs....

[Political Hack]

nice. thx guys.

[Will James]

NVM...another sac bunt...

Let's see if it works out this time...

See your wrong****

[maroonmania]

The ugliest MSU win I've seen in a LONG time. But still better than a loss for sure.

[mstatefan91]

Ugly? Yes.. But a win and tonight was not a good night for ranked teams.

[Coach34]

Just Win Baby in the Midweek

[engie]

I'll take it for sure... That could have been brutal to an RPI game we're already playing catch up on...

Need some big wins on the road.

[State82]

Ugly? Yes.. But a win and tonight was not a good night for ranked teams.

Yep. #2, #3, #7,#12, #13, #22 all lost.

[engie]

Could potentially end up being a top 100 win too if a couple of things go their way...

[Quaoarsking]

SEMO is currently leading their conference. This will probably be a top 100 win for us and a win over an NCAA Tournament team.

There's nothing to scoff at about this win now that it's over.

[Todd4State]

Not pretty- but I'll take it. The base running gets an F tonight. Hopefully that's an aberration because we've been pretty good for the most part all year up until tonight.

It sounds like Woodruff is getting better- but still not quite there yet. I think he had 38 pitches and threw 20 for strikes. That has to get better.

We pitched well other than Gentry and played good defense- and that's our recipe for success with what we have.

[Todd4State]

What makes it worse like we saw in 2012 is that playing Cohenball with bad hitters is actually WORSE than doing it with better hitters. Cohenball is bad but is made worse with a lesser lineup.

Thats the thing the "we don't have power so we have to play small ball" crowd doesn't get. The shit is bad baseball always, even more costly with lesser hitters because you are costing your team puts without having the bats to make up for the negative percentages.

Our "lesser hitters" are also pretty fast for a team. We have to take advantage of that. Telling "lesser hitters" to go out and string three hits in a row to get a run is not "maximizing" our talent. It certainly works better when we run the bases well- and we didn't do that tonight.

You can point to tonight's game which we won anyway. I'll point to the game we won where we beat Tyler Beede.

[messageboardsuperhero]

The only negative pitching-wise was the walks- I think we had 7-8, and most of those came from our non-freshmen. That absolutely cannot continue if we want to be successful. With our defense, we need to force teams to put it in play. Gentry has to be better.

Defense was solid outside of Gentry's poor pickoff throw- again, he has to be better.

Offensive execution and base running were a train wreck, and I'll just leave it at that. No excuse for the 8th inning.

[CadaverDawg]

I picked a good night not to be able to watch. Glad I spared my eyes but got to see that we picked up the W

[Todd4State]

The only negative pitching-wise was the walks- I think we had 7-8, and most of those came from our non-freshmen. That absolutely cannot continue if we want to be successful. With our defense, we need to force teams to put it in play. Gentry has to be better.

Defense was solid outside of Gentry's poor pickoff throw- again, he has to be better.

Offensive execution and base running were a train wreck, and I'll just leave it at that. No excuse for the 8th inning.

I agree on all points. I'm just glad we got through and came out with a win. This was a trap game for us- and Jacksonville State will be one later in the year.

[engie]

Our "lesser hitters" are also pretty fast for a team. We have to take advantage of that. Telling "lesser hitters" to go out and string three hits in a row to get a run is not "maximizing" our talent. It certainly works better when we run the bases well- and we didn't do that tonight.

You can point to tonight's game which we won anyway. I'll point to the game we won where we beat Tyler Beede.

My thing is just -- is "sacrificing" helping anything with those base runners? We should be 2 singles away from scoring them from first. I'd bet that statistically, it's a better play to hit and run or to straight steal these guys from first -- rather than taking the bat out of another(likely tremendous baserunner) with the sac. Which still takes a hit to score from second. And we strike out/pop up a bunch.

When I have the energy, I'm going to run through the exact numbers, because I'm curious to know...

[Will James]

My thing is just -- is "sacrificing" helping anything with those base runners? We should be 2 singles away from scoring them from first. I'd bet that statistically, it's a better play to hit and run or to straight steal these guys from first -- rather than taking the bat out of another(likely tremendous baserunner) with the sac. Which still takes a hit to score from second. And we strike out/pop up a bunch.

When I have the energy, I'm going to run through the exact numbers, because I'm curious to know...

Exactly. Sacrificing is not forcing pressure or playing aggressive.


Why Todd exactly do we have to go against the percentages just because we have fast runners. It's still the wrong play.

[messageboardsuperhero]

I agree on all points. I'm just glad we got through and came out with a win. This was a trap game for us- and Jacksonville State will be one later in the year.

As an aside, another bonus to playing the 4-game weekends early on is that it gets those non-conference games over with early and allows us to focus almost exclusively on the SEC schedule down the stretch.

This leads to fewer trap games for us and more scouting/prep focus on the good teams when it matters most, while our opponents have to split some of their time between us and another team. I'd say this is just one more of those little things that help us get hot at the end, IMO.

[engie]

It's a 76% chance we are safe when we steal. And that's overall -- not just second -- and I recall us getting hosed at 3rd alot more than second. I'd think it's better than 80% on straight steals at second.

It's a 49% chance we score that guy from 1st with 0 outs.
It's a 47% chance we score him from 2nd with 1 out.
It's a 70% chance we score him from 2nd with 0 outs.

The math gets too complex for where my mind is at right now -- but it seems that it's a better play to straight steal there for us...

[Intramural All-American]

I didn't understand why we tried to sacrifice Randolph with Armstrong on first for sure. With Armstrong you gotta straight steal. With a slower runner, I understand the SAC there.

I don't care what the "numbers" say. It's easier to get 1 hit with 1 out, than it is to get 2 hits with 0 outs. Especially with the new bats, the fewer number of hits needed to score, the better. Now if you start stealing second more, the bunting is unnecessary. But bunting over to second eliminates the DP, too. Obviously, if you are looking for a big inning, you don't ever give up outs. However, our team is not a big inning team.

[engie]

I don't care what the "numbers" say. It's easier to get 1 hit with 1 out, than it is to get 2 hits with 0 outs.

The statistics across college baseball say this is incorrect. 49% chance of scoring one run from first with no outs. 47% chance of scoring one run from second with 1. T

And it doesn't take 2 "hits" with no outs. It takes 2 quality at bats including one hit.

We gain NOTHING by bunting that guy over statistically. We just shorten the game by giving ourselves less opportunities.

That said, I don't have much problem with the efforts in the 8th and 9th... The ones in the 2nd and 7th are what pissed me off...

[Intramural All-American]

I'll give you that. I don't know why I had in mind they had to be base hits. However, every situation is different, and I feel that some instances the bunt is better whereas some instances are not. There is no cookie cutter approach, so to view it as such as Will James does is short-sighted.

[Coach34]

agreed Eng- any bunt before the 8th is a waste and is giving away an out. Dont do it unless it's your 9-hole guy who has really struggled or some shit.

[Will James]

I'll give you that. I don't know why I had in mind they had to be base hits. However, every situation is different, and I feel that some instances the bunt is better whereas some instances are not. There is no cookie cutter approach, so to view it as such as Will James does is short-sighted.

Short-sighted - "short si-ted" - the thinking aligned with those who believe that the only way to move runners is on a hit and that the only type of hit is a single.

[engie]

I'll give you that. I don't know why I had in mind they had to be base hits. However, every situation is different, and I feel that some instances the bunt is better whereas some instances are not. There is no cookie cutter approach, so to view it as such as Will James does is short-sighted.

I'm not whole-heartedly against bunting. Just some situations. And I align mostly with Coach on that one. I f'n love drag and push bunting in certain circumstances at any point in a game as well. Love doing it fresh off a double or homer.

I just don't like "giving up" outs early in games with sacrifices -- and hate playing for a single run in the 2nd inning like we did tonight -- in a situation where the run would have scored anyway -- and we'd have had a chance to score more runs without that sacrifice...

[Intramural All-American]

Short-sighted - "short si-ted" - the thinking aligned with those who believe that the only way to move runners is on a hit and that the only type of hit is a single.

I deserved that. So I won't rebutt.

[Intramural All-American]

I'm not whole-heartedly against bunting. Just some situations. And I align mostly with Coach on that one. I f'n love drag and push bunting in certain circumstances at any point in a game as well. Love doing it fresh off a double or homer.

I just don't like "giving up" outs early in games with sacrifices -- and hate playing for a single run in the 2nd inning like we did tonight -- in a situation where the run would have scored anyway -- and we'd have had a chance to score more runs without that sacrifice...

In a game like tonight I agree with you. We shouldn't have to do that in midweek non-con games. However, I have no problem with it against stud pitchers like Vandy. And you saw how bunts really bothered Beede Friday night. In a game where runs are expected to be at a premium, I have no problem trying to scratch one out early, because taking an early lead can be huge. I'm not bunting my 1-6 hitters that early, though.

[Todd4State]

My thing is just -- is "sacrificing" helping anything with those base runners? We should be 2 singles away from scoring them from first. I'd bet that statistically, it's a better play to hit and run or to straight steal these guys from first -- rather than taking the bat out of another(likely tremendous baserunner) with the sac. Which still takes a hit to score from second. And we strike out/pop up a bunch.

When I have the energy, I'm going to run through the exact numbers, because I'm curious to know...

I wasn't talking about sacrificing. I was talking about stealing bases.

Telling our guys to play station to station with singles hitters is not a good idea. We have to steal bases and hit and run to maximize our offense. Bunting is part of that- but more as a tool to get on base rather than straight up sacrificing. Now- no doubt we did sacrifice some tonight, no question about that. But we are bunting for a hit a good bit of the time- I'm not sure of the exact percentage.

But I was talking more about getting to second via the steal rather than sac bunting. Having a runner on second and no one out is better than a runner on first and no one out and doing nothing.

I've seen plenty of people complaining about "why did we try to steal there"? And that was more of what I was targeting.

[Todd4State]

Exactly. Sacrificing is not forcing pressure or playing aggressive.


Why Todd exactly do we have to go against the percentages just because we have fast runners. It's still the wrong play.


When we steal, we are successful 76% of the time- and that includes tonight's Tom Emanski's nightmare. They say that if you are stealing at a 65% clip, you are creating runs for yourself. Our team currently has about a 27% chance of getting a hit. We have about a 38% chance of even getting on base at all. Of our 227 hits, only 42 have gone for extra bases.

Explain to me how that is going against the percentages?

I believe I saw you complaining about some of the times we have tried to steal, hence why I responded to you. At the very least I read your criticism of "Cohenball" as complaining about the times we have tried to run that didn't work out included in that as well.

[tcdog70]

My thing is just -- is "sacrificing" helping anything with those base runners? We should be 2 singles away from scoring them from first. I'd bet that statistically, it's a better play to hit and run or to straight steal these guys from first -- rather than taking the bat out of another(likely tremendous baserunner) with the sac. Which still takes a hit to score from second. And we strike out/pop up a bunch.

When I have the energy, I'm going to run through the exact numbers, because I'm curious to know...

Amen-I am with You on this. I hate giving away outs. If I am on defense I always hope the offense bunts the runner over and gives away an out. Armstong-maybe our fastest guy-let him steal