Who here said that Michael Sam would be hurt by his coming out?

[hacker]

This is his bench press at his pro day.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjLuzIJCUAA9yjz.jpg

Dude probably bumped himself up a full round in the draft.

[Irondawg]

Listened to a podcast after the combine and he apparently had a really poor showing at the combine and some of the talking heads said it might cause him to slip out of the draft. If that happened they said it would be strictly due to his performance and not his coming out.

Not sure how much he improved on his combine #'s at his pro day

[Homedawg]

He ran a 4.9 at the combine if I remember correctly. Better have a better pro day or the gays and lesbians will be raising hell when he doesn't get drafted and crying discrimination.

[starkvegasdawg]

He ran a 4.9 at the combine if I remember correctly. Better have a better pro day or the gays and lesbians will be raising hell when he doesn't get drafted and crying discrimination.

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[HereComesTheSpiral]

I would think the recent Martin-incognito fiasco would hurt him more than coming out of the closet. I dont think a GM would even want to take the chance of something like that happening in the locker room.

[esplanade91]

One person on the NFL Network described him as having "offensive line numbers." He'll be one of a long list of players that is great in college and never does anything in the NFL, and that has nothing to do with his sexual orientation.

[mullenite]

Thing is his draft stock was already kinda low. His combine performance was terrible. I personally believe he knew he wouldn't perform well, came out so he would be able to blame not being drafted on something other than he isn't great. Also, can you imagine the smack talk from opposing teams in the NFL?? They already talk mad noise on the field! I can only imagine what they would be saying to him.

[PMDawg]

This is his bench press at his pro day.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjLuzIJCUAA9yjz.jpg

Dude probably bumped himself up a full round in the draft.

When did the media start doing the drafting?

[OldFatDog]

Thing is his draft stock was already kinda low. His combine performance was terrible. I personally believe he knew he wouldn't perform well, came out so he would be able to blame not being drafted on something other than he isn't great. Also, can you imagine the smack talk from opposing teams in the NFL?? They already talk mad noise on the field! I can only imagine what they would be saying to him.

Yeah, that's what he did. Sure. Fred Phelps would be proud of that statement.

[Coach34]

He's gay- who gives a shit?

Can he tackle in space?
Can he rush the passer?
Can he take on offensive linemen and win?
Can he cover anybody out of the backfield?

That's the important thing. If he cant, then he can go be gay as a lawyer, dietician, personal trainer, accountant, or whatever it is he majored in....

[civildawg]

Yeah but if you're Christian and you lead your team to a playoff win apparently no one wants you

[Dawgface]

Yeah but if you're Christian and you lead your team to a playoff win apparently no one wants you

Didn't you know? Gay is more in vogue these days.

[OldFatDog]

[QUOTE=civildawg;151531]Yeah but if you're Christian and you lead your team to a playoff win apparently no one wants you[/

Poor old persecuted Christians. You're a special kind of stupid if you think that Tebow is not on a NFL team because of his beliefs. NFL executives would play Pat Robertson if be could consistently win.

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=civildawg;151531]Yeah but if you're Christian and you lead your team to a playoff win apparently no one wants you[/

Poor old persecuted Christians. You're a special kind of stupid if you think that Tebow is not on a NFL team because of his beliefs. NFL executives would play Pat Robertson if be could consistently win.

9-7 (1-1 in playoffs) in his first 16 starts. Denver was 4-14 in the other 18 games he didn't start.

[Political Hack]

[QUOTE=civildawg;151531]Yeah but if you're Christian and you lead your team to a playoff win apparently no one wants you[/

Poor old persecuted Christians. You're a special kind of stupid if you think that Tebow is not on a NFL team because of his beliefs. NFL executives would play Pat Robertson if be could consistently win.

agreed. goes both ways too. If you're good enough to bring Wins... not a fluke overtime win that your defense earned... then you'll be in the league. If not, the less talented gays, straights, Christians, and pagans will be sitting next to us in the stands.

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=OldFatDog;151536]

agreed. goes both ways too. If you're good enough to bring Wins... not a fluke overtime win that your defense earned... then you'll be in the league. If not, the less talented gays, straights, Christians, and pagans will be sitting next to us in the stands.

The year he got the lucky playoff win, the team started 1-4 without tebow.

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=civildawg;151531]Yeah but if you're Christian and you lead your team to a playoff win apparently no one wants you[/

Poor old persecuted Christians. You're a special kind of stupid if you think that Tebow is not on a NFL team because of his beliefs. NFL executives would play Pat Robertson if be could consistently win.

I don't think it's tebow's beliefs that got him essentially exiled, but the overwhelming media coverage. Beware Sam...

[SignalToNoise]

He's gay- who gives a shit?

Can he tackle in space?
Can he rush the passer?
Can he take on offensive linemen and win?
Can he cover anybody out of the backfield?

That's the important thing. If he cant, then he can go be gay as a lawyer, dietician, personal trainer, accountant, or whatever it is he majored in....

Amen. Like Jerry Seinfeld once said, "It's about the comedy. Are you making us laugh, or aren't you? Nothing else matters."

[FISHDAWG]

I wish a moderator would move this thread to the political forum

[mullenite]

Yeah, that's what he did. Sure. Fred Phelps would be proud of that statement.

Just watch. This will happen.

[Martianlander]

[QUOTE=OldFatDog;151536]

I don't think it's tebow's beliefs that got him essentially exiled, but the overwhelming media coverage. Beware Sam...

I agree. As many teams as need quarterbacks, even a back up quarterback, there is no reason he has not been given a shot. Ryan totally mishandled him at the Jets, as he has mishandled most everything else, but I guess that's a different thread.

[hacker]

When did the media start doing the drafting?

He's 100 times more popular than he was before the announcement. Jersey sales, ticket sales, etc. Someone will take a chance on him. Even with his shitty numbers.

[OldFatDog]

[QUOTE=msstate7;151542]

I agree. As many teams as need quarterbacks, even a back up quarterback, there is no reason he has not been given a shot. Ryan totally mishandled him at the Jets, as he has mishandled most everything else, but I guess that's a different thread.

He got another shot with the Patriots. Their coach is a little different than Ryan. Tebow is a great guy. He simply is not a NFL QB. Not according to me but according to all of the GMs in the league. It's what Sam is being accused of. "Tebow can't get a chance because he is a Christian". To be clear, I've never heard Tebow say that. Amazes me how many people believe that though. Like someone else said, if a player has the ability to produce wins be will be playing regardless of sexual orientation, religious beliefs, etc. Sam was going to be outed and that was going to be a big story. He chose to out himself on his terms. That's it. No big conspiracy. What others do with his story is out of his control. Just like people whining about Tebow not getting a chance is beyond his control.

[jimbo352]

[QUOTE=msstate7;151542]

I agree. As many teams as need quarterbacks, even a back up quarterback, there is no reason he has not been given a shot. Ryan totally mishandled him at the Jets, as he has mishandled most everything else, but I guess that's a different thread.

Tim Tebow fvcking sucks... If you really believe he's not in the NFL because of the media craze... You're out of your fvcking mind... The Jacksonville Jaguars didn't' want him, and they can't get people to come to their games for FREE!!!

He had a great run, and the bible belt ate it up because he's a good guy. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make him an NFL QB. Pointing out his playoff win as evidence, is like me trying to convince you Brad Johnson was an all time great because he has a Superbowl ring... Enough with Tim Tebow already.

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=Martianlander;151579]

Tim Tebow fvcking sucks... If you really believe he's not in the NFL because of the media craze... You're out of your fvcking mind... The Jacksonville Jaguars didn't' want him, and they can't get people to come to their games for FREE!!!

He had a great run, and the bible belt ate it up because he's a good guy. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make him an NFL QB. Pointing out his playoff win as evidence, is like me trying to convince you Brad Johnson was an all time great because he has a Superbowl ring... Enough with Tim Tebow already.

Well for tebow to of made the pats, they'd have had to made room on a roster that wasn't possible. Tebow couldn't beat out mallet, but there's teams that don't have that good of a qb situation. Tebow isn't the type of qb that you can just plug into any system. He'd have to have an offense built around his abilities and teams just aren't willing to do that. I'm not saying tebow is a great qb, but I could see him being a good backup for like foles in philly

[OldFatDog]

[QUOTE=jimbo352;151599]

Well for tebow to of made the pats, they'd have had to made room on a roster that wasn't possible. Tebow couldn't beat out mallet, but there's teams that don't have that good of a qb situation. Tebow isn't the type of qb that you can just plug into any system. He'd have to have an offense built around his abilities and teams just aren't willing to do that. I'm not saying tebow is a great qb, but I could see him being a good backup for like foles in philly

So why do you think Philly hasn't given him a shot? Do you really think that this is somehow related to his religious beliefs?

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=msstate7;151605]

So why do you think Philly hasn't given him a shot? Do you really think that this is somehow related to his religious beliefs?

I said from the beginning that tebow got ousted for his overwhelming media coverage not his beliefs. Maybe the eagles don't want fans yelling tebow every time foles throws an int, maybe the eagles like their backup, or maybe the eagles gm hates Christians**. How am I suppose to know what the eagles gm thinks?

I do believe that if a team could pick up tebow and not feel the media and fan pressure to play him that tebow would have a job.

[scottycameron]

This is his bench press at his pro day.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjLuzIJCUAA9yjz.jpg

Dude probably bumped himself up a full round in the draft.

I guess this is what the set of a gay porn movie looks like?

[OldFatDog]

[QUOTE=msstate7;151620][QUOTE=OldFatDog;151616]

"How am I suppose to know what the eagles gm thinks?"


I know what the Eagles' gm thinks. He thinks the same thing every other gm thinks. And that is that Tebow can't help their team win. It's just that simple.

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=msstate7;151620][QUOTE=OldFatDog;151616]

"How am I suppose to know what the eagles gm thinks?"


I know what the Eagles' gm thinks. He thinks the same thing every other gm thinks. And that is that Tebow can't help their team win. It's just that simple.

I suppose, but there is that fact that tebow has won (8-6 regular season and 1-1 in playoffs). Meanwhile the qb tebow unseated in Denver (orton) has a job. How you explain that orton has a job and couldn't win with the team tebow did win with?

[Todd4State]

Completing 50% of your passes in the NFL is not going to cut it. That's why Tim Tebow isn't a NFL QB.

The guy that the media should have been hyping all along was Colin Kaepernick. Basically the same guy as Tebow but he can complete passes.

[Todd4State]

[QUOTE=OldFatDog;151629][QUOTE=msstate7;151620]

I suppose, but there is that fact that tebow has won (8-6 regular season and 1-1 in playoffs). Meanwhile the qb tebow unseated in Denver (orton) has a job. How you explain that orton has a job and couldn't win with the team tebow did win with?

Luck. Fluke. Etc. Over the test of time, Tebow would not have won like that in the NFL. You also have to give credit to his defense though as well. That team wasn't simply winning just because of Tebow. They were pretty good with or without him- that's why they were in the Super Bowl this year.

[msstate7]

Tebow's qb rating his starting year was 75.3 which is better than Eli manning and joe flacco. Do they belong in the nfl?

[Todd4State]

Tebow's qb rating his starting year was 75.3 which is better than Eli manning and joe flacco. Do they belong in the nfl?

I think Eli is the modern day Phil Simms. He's solid- might be on the downslide with the Giants though. He also throws a ton of picks. Flacco is a game manager with a good arm.

I wouldn't pick them to start for my team if I had a choice to be honest. QB rating is not exactly the best metric to use and there is a lot of controversey behind that stat.

[PMDawg]

He's 100 times more popular than he was before the announcement. Jersey sales, ticket sales, etc. Someone will take a chance on him. Even with his shitty numbers.

to the media. not to the GMs, coaches, or fans. I just don't think it makes any difference toward the positive side, but it could hurt him if some of those GMs or coaches are not very open to it.

[MzTerry]

Thing is his draft stock was already kinda low. His combine performance was terrible. I personally believe he knew he wouldn't perform well, came out so he would be able to blame not being drafted on something other than he isn't great. Also, can you imagine the smack talk from opposing teams in the NFL?? They already talk mad noise on the field! I can only imagine what they would be saying to him.

It's extremely well-documented that he was going to be outed by the media (a particular writer in his area that is known for breaking big stories), so he came out on his own terms instead. I certainly think there is too much media coverage around it, but come on lets be for real this statement is ridiculous.