Game 1 thread- UCSB

[messageboardsuperhero]

Damn, we looked totally overmatched against their pitcher in the first inning.

0-0 after 1.

[maroonmania]

Yikes. Bottom of 1st Bulldogs go down 1,2,3 on 3 strikeouts.

[mparkerfd20]

Gonna be a long day at the plate I'm afraid.

[Dawghouse]

Collins guns down another runner. He has to be near the national leaders in runners thrown out stealing(if they track that).

[Dawghouse]

4 up 4 Ks - fire Cohen

[maroonmania]

What is our consecutive strikeout record? We may challenge it today.

[maroonmania]

Nevermind, Heck makes contact for a single.

[Coach34]

we facing a righty or lefty?

[jgunn]

Lefty...CT hits in to a double play..

[messageboardsuperhero]

we facing a righty or lefty?

A big power lefty named Justin Jacome, and he looks nasty.

[Goat Holder]

Need to play a little Polk ball with this Jacome guy. Make him throw a bunch of pitches and play for the big inning later.

[Dawghouse]

Big inning there. Runners on 2nd and 3rd with one out and they don't score.

Bracewell up over 50 pitches after 3.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Bracewell hasn't been very sharp, but he's battling.

0-0 through 2 1/2. We're the home team, in case anyone who can't watch was wondering.

[TopDog58]

This announcer is hilarious. It sounds like they imported him from the 1950s or from the movie The Sandlot.

[jgunn]

We have runners on the corners..no outs

[Dawghouse]

1st and 3rd no outs after a walk and a botched attempt to field a bunt that got away from the 1st baseman.

[Homedawg]

Thanks to a mis played bunt. I know will James hates em but the bunt gets butchered way more than it should.

[Dawghouse]

Double play but at least we got a run out of it.

[Dawghouse]

Is it just me or is the audio about a half second ahead of the video. I hear the ball hit the bat before the batter starts swinging.

I'm just surprised I can stream the game through the firewall at work. I'll take it

[messageboardsuperhero]

1-0 Dogs after 3 complete. Glad we got a run there, because there may not be many more of those.

Bracewell's pitch count is around 50, so it'd be big for him to get a quick inning here.

[Will James]

Thanks to a mis played bunt. I know will James hates em but the bunt gets butchered way more than it should.

It gets popped up to the catcher even more.

[messageboardsuperhero]

And just like that, a quick inning for Bracewell.

[CadaverDawg]

Bracewell is effective bc he gives no free passes and keeps it down. Our other pitchers can learn a lot from the way Brace pitches IMO

[CadaverDawg]

Big opportunity here. 1st and 3rd no outs and Pirtle up.

[sandwolf]

Aaand another double play.....but we got another run home.

[CadaverDawg]

Well damn, another DP but we score. 2-0.

And Bart did his best Jim Ellis impersonation by missing the DP on a commercial break. SMDH

[DanDority]

Is the game picture a little behind for y'all or is it just my connection?

[Coach34]

where are ya'll watching this?

[CadaverDawg]

Is the game picture a little behind for y'all or is it just my connection?

I'm on a plane so I can't get video. Listening to Bart on HailState radio

[messageboardsuperhero]

I hate that we're only getting one run in these situations.

2-0 Dogs through 4.

[DanDority]

It's free today on HailState T.V.

[bully99]

We hit into a double play and where is Bart Gregory. In a commercial of course. Embarrassing what has happened to our radio.

[messageboardsuperhero]

where are ya'll watching this?

http://pac-12.com/videos/university-arizona-3

[CadaverDawg]

I hate that we're only getting one run in these situations.

2-0 Dogs through 4.

Yea I was expecting a safety squeeze after that first DP

[CadaverDawg]

We hit into a double play and where is Bart Gregory. In a commercial of course. Embarrassing what has happened to our radio.

Yep, I'm thinking about tweeting him about it

[Dawghouse]

Collins guns another.

[messageboardsuperhero]

UCSB gets a man on first, but Collins guns him down trying to steal! Collins is a stud.

[DanDority]

Collins guns another.

He needs to be our #1 no doubt.

[mparkerfd20]

You DO NOT steal on Collins!!

[mparkerfd20]

**** Epperson is just awesome at the plate

[messageboardsuperhero]

Eperson is a pain in the ass.

[messageboardsuperhero]

2-1 Dawgs through 4 1/2. Eperson is such a pain in the ass.

[Dawghouse]

Video looked like Pirtle was going to turn the DP. I guess he didn't get the tag on the runner going to 2nd.

[CadaverDawg]

In case anyone forgot, our recruiting class was awesome. Heck is a stud, Collins a stud, Hump a stud, Vickerson stud.

[CadaverDawg]

And to those saying "bench Henderson"...get a clue. He's a player

[bully99]

Seems like Cohen is doing less right left matchups this season. He usually hates left on left.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Good time to go to Lindgren.

[CadaverDawg]

Alright Will...I hope your boy can do his thing

[mstatefan91]

Tied at 2

[CadaverDawg]

2-2

[mstatefan91]

Yet to throw a strike

[mparkerfd20]

He's not so far

[mstatefan91]

Lindgren is doing so great!

Sigh

[mparkerfd20]

Still a headcase

[preachermatt83]

get lindren out of the there. Good grief.

[CadaverDawg]

Well, you can't pitch from behind to every hitter, Lingo. 3-2 UCSB and Cox coming in

[messageboardsuperhero]

We should have taken advantage of the early scoring opportunities.

[preachermatt83]

cox will shut them down.

[TheRef]

Can I just say that Arizona's stadium just doesn't seem as nice to me? Of course, I'm used to seeing DNF, Box, and Baum so I'm probably a little biased on this. I'm sure it's a nice facility, I just can't really see anything but the outfield.

[CadaverDawg]

I hate letting them have 2nd right there. Cut that Jr High shit out and let Gavin hose him

[mparkerfd20]

Game over

[Dawg61]

Can I just say that Arizona's stadium just doesn't seem as nice to me? Of course, I'm used to seeing DNF, Box, and Baum so I'm probably a little biased on this. I'm sure it's a nice facility, I just can't really see anything but the outfield.

Ain't no Zona fans on here. If that place is a piece call it like you see it. Sounds like it's a piece. I'm not surprised. UCLA won the ****ing NC and their stadium only holds like 1,800.

[sandwolf]

Shit......our bats better come to life.

[messageboardsuperhero]

We're getting our teeth kicked in right now.

[preachermatt83]

crap

[CadaverDawg]

11 hits already for them. (Make that 12)

5-2

[mstatefan91]

That pitching is looking great...

[preachermatt83]

Collins just stood marrow up!

[sandwolf]

That pitching is looking great...

I was thinking the same thing......they are shelling us.

[preachermatt83]

Gavin Collins impresses me. He is tough as nails.

[BeardoMSU]

http://350f2h3jkir93bsly2c4imnks5.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/that-escalated-quickly-anchorman-gif.gif

[messageboardsuperhero]

5-2 UCSB through 5 1/2. Let's get some runs.

[CadaverDawg]

Got our work cut out for us now

[Drugdog]

Game over

Get the **** out of here.

[bully99]

Ref, that is an old minor league park that Arizona started using two years ago. But it's better than the campus stadium they used for years.
Arizona has never drawn well despite having a great baseball history.

[mparkerfd20]

Get the **** out of here.

You obviously weren't involved in these threads last season.

[preachermatt83]

if we can get into their pen we will have a shot.

[quickstrike2]

That changed the mood quickly. Hopefully we do something here with our best hitters up.

[mstatefan91]

Can't even see the batter's box anymore. Wow, I'm way too used to DNF

[bully99]

AS I've said before, this team is offensively challenged.

[mstatefan91]

AS I've said before, this team is offensively challenged.

Yes, we know. You say it everytime you come into a baseball thread. You sound like a broken record honestly.

[messageboardsuperhero]

Cox is getting rocked right now.

[sandwolf]

Damn, this is hard to watch......how many hits do they have now?

[mparkerfd20]

Damn, this is hard to watch......how many hits do they have now?

13. Awesome pitching for us and even better hitting!

[sandwolf]

Do they have 5 or 6 runs? I thought they had 6, but the score on the broadcast the scoreboard says they only have 5....

[msstate7]

Damn, this is hard to watch......how many hits do they have now?

58. Glad we have such good pitching with our poor offense

[messageboardsuperhero]

Cox looks like he's just scared to throw the ball over the plate right now.

[preachermatt83]

Do they have 5 or 6 runs? I thought they had 6, but the score on the broadcast says they only have 5....

5.. Collins held onto the ball earlier when the guy tried to run over him and ended up getting flattened himself.

[MarketingBully01]

Do they have 5 or 6 runs? I thought they had 6, but the score on the broadcast says they only have 5....

They have 5 runs. They are probably pitching their ace as well. If we go 2-2, 3-1 this series I will take it. UCSB is 10-1 I believe with a series win over UCLA. I think they are a good to great baseball team.

[CadaverDawg]

Laster coming in. I like this guy, but this seems like a white flag

[preachermatt83]

glad to see laster getting some work. I think he may be a key to our pen as the year progresses.

[preachermatt83]

They have 5 runs. They are probably pitching their ace as well. If we go 2-2, 3-1 this series I will take it. UCSB is 10-1 I believe with a series win over UCLA. I think they are a good to great baseball team.

we should go 3-1. we can't expect to split these type series and have any chance of setting ourselves up to even be in a position to host a regional

[mstatefan91]

Welp guys. This is not looking good

[MarketingBully01]

we should go 3-1. we can't expect to split these type series and have any chance of setting ourselves up to even be in a position to host a regional

I disagree. We should have swept Holy Cross but we played Johnny Grab ass that series along with the game against Memphis. This is a series you can go 2-2 and still be okay to host especially if we have a good SEC conference record.

[Bothrops]

This team is better than half the teams in our league. California is a baseball talent factory I tell ya.

[msstate7]

Welp guys. This is not looking good

I just don't think we're very good.

[bully99]

16 hits

[CadaverDawg]

They're blistering our pitching

[bully99]

Damn you ms7

[preachermatt83]

man this is just awful... I do agree that this is a very good baseball team we are playing here though

[Dallas_Dawg]

Sure would have been nice to save Mitchell for this game. Bring him into the jam that we brought Lindgren in and we could have a completely different ballgame

[bully99]

Looks like the whole pitching staff is scared.

[CadaverDawg]

Traditionally we don't play good out West. We'll be fine, but We need 2-2 this weekend at least

[maroonmania]

Why are we pitching guys that haven't pitched much all year? Laster, Houston? That is just crazy. We should have played South Alabama Tuesday night before this or not played them at all if we go to our biggest games of the year only to throw fresh meat pitchers out there in a game that we are still in.

[state66]

how are yall watching this?

[rrog17]

http://pac-12.com/videos/university-arizona-3?DB_OEM_ID=16800

[state66]

thanks rrog17

[Homedawg]

Sure would have been nice to save Mitchell for this game. Bring him into the jam that we brought Lindgren in and we could have a completely different ballgame

Mitchell threw 20 on we'd. He could have gone. We chose lindgren. He had a bad outing. Happens. It just can't happen regularly or we are in big trouble.

[bully99]

Serious question. Do we need a new hitting coach.

[engie]

Mitchell threw 20 on we'd. He could have gone. We chose lindgren. He had a bad outing. Happens. It just can't happen regularly or we are in big trouble.

Mitchell actually threw 40 on Wednesday...

[whosyourdawgy]

I can't stand the batt on the shoulders crap. We watch way too many damn pitches. I like agressive hitting. I know we will never get that w Cohen but it sure is frustrating watching us watch pitches

[msstate7]

Serious question. Do we need a new hitting coach.

Might just need some new hitters. Way too many singles hitters and strikeouts

[whosyourdawgy]

Weak sauce

[Homedawg]

Mitchell actually threw 40 on Wednesday...

Sorry. You are correct. Lindgren threw 20. Either way he's available. Rubber arm.

[maroonmania]

we've really never had much offense under Cohen. Was hoping that would change with elevated recruiting but we live off pitching, defense and small ball. I consider Cohen a very good baseball coach but I haven't really seen signs of him being a great hitting coach.

[whosyourdawgy]

UCSB is very aggressive at the plate and are scoring runs.

[CJDAWG85]

Might just need some new hitters. Way too many singles hitters and strikeouts


THIS


We have no power in our line up other than Rea. Not to mention zero clutch hitting. Back to back innings we have runners on the corners with 0 out and we ground into a double play.

[bully99]

But when our players take healthy swings , they get called out by Cohen for taking" softball swings".

[whosyourdawgy]

We definitely aren't showing any pop at all today. Weak ass grounders and lazy pop ups. Nothing on the nose

[sack07]

Might just need some new hitters. Way too many singles hitters and strikeouts

How many of UCSB's hits are extra base hits?

[Homedawg]

But when our players take healthy swings , they get called out by Cohen for taking" softball swings".

Swinging harder does not generate more power. It just doesn't.

[whosyourdawgy]

No clue. But they have double digit hits, have gotten the lead runner on 6 or 7 innings and scored 8.

[bully99]

Didn't say harder, said healthy.

[whosyourdawgy]

Damn we have used 7 pitchers in this game

[CJDAWG85]

We need line drives... Not ground balls

[msstate7]

How many of UCSB's hits are extra base hits?

I have no problem with single hitters if they're clutch and don't have a high k rate

[HancockCountyDog]

We are going to have games like this, we aren't a good hitting team. It's ok though, we won't give up 8 runs many times this year.

Just regroup, and win the next three.

[sack07]

It's a philosophy thing. There is no one right way to do it, otherwise everyone would do it. We rode the patient approach to the Title game last year. I know it's frustrating this game, especially against UCSB's aggressive success this game. However, anyone who has been around the game (which by the intelligent discussion here many of you have) knows that tomorrow that aggressive approach might K and pop up all game long and allow the starter to go into the 8th on 50 pitches. It's a philosophy that Cohen has built this program on and has been successful. Single games can be very frustrating, but over the course of the year we'll be fine.

[CJDAWG85]

We just don't have timely hitting... twice we had the table set to have a big inning and twice we ground into a DP that kills the inning.

[blacklistedbully]

Swinging harder does not generate more power. It just doesn't.

This is incorrect, unless you are assuming, "swinging harder" causes a less accurate swing, resulting in less power as opposed to hitting the, "sweet-spot" at a slightly slower speed.

But if we consider it scientifically, with all things equal with regards to bat (assuming the same bat), identical impact point, etc, with the only variable bat speed, then a faster swing would absolutely generate more power.

In reality, it is likely a trade-off, as swinging harder/faster can potentially produce a less accurate swing, resulting in a less optimal impact point on the bat itself. Then again, if one can generate better bat speed, it can buy perhaps another few feet of seeing the ball before having to complete the swing.

[smootness]

But swinging harder doesn't necessarily equal better bat speed. It can screw up your mechanics and do the opposite.

[CadaverDawg]

Swinging "hard" and swinging "fast" are 2 different things. Vlad Guerrero takes an animated "hard" cut, but Griffey and Bonds had more bat speed while making it look effortless. I would take their bat speed over Vlad's harder cuts.

Rea doesn't swing as "hard" as Pirtle, but Rea has more power.

Everybody needs to relax, we have good hitters and several future power hitters on our roster. The bats will come around and this will be a good season. Just don't expect last year's results and you will probably end up happy happy.

[RougeDawg]

Lefty...CT hits in to a double play..

I'm at work and didn't watch, but was this DP hit to the 1B or 2B?

[Homedawg]

This is incorrect, unless you are assuming, "swinging harder" causes a less accurate swing, resulting in less power as opposed to hitting the, "sweet-spot" at a slightly slower speed.

But if we consider it scientifically, with all things equal with regards to bat (assuming the same bat), identical impact point, etc, with the only variable bat speed, then a faster swing would absolutely generate more power.

In reality, it is likely a trade-off, as swinging harder/faster can potentially produce a less accurate swing, resulting in a less optimal impact point on the bat itself. Then again, if one can generate better bat speed, it can buy perhaps another few feet of seeing the ball before having to complete the swing.

I don't care what kind of science u pull out. When I say swinging harder, I mean swinging as hard as u can, muscling up. A faster swing, quick swing generated by hands which creates bat speed, creates power. Fact. Baseball fact.

Eta. I re read your post. Yes faster bat speed will create more power. No question. But that isn't created by swinging harder.

[RougeDawg]

I don't even know where to even begin after reading this thread. Let me start off by saying, I have been posting here and the old board since Cohen arrived, that the hitters did not have proper hitting mechanics, to which I get bashed even by the so called "baseball experts on here". I have also stated that Renfroe's mechanics were not completely text book until his summer in the Cape. One thing that he wasn't either taught or listened to, is knowing the situation and predicting the pitch. I could type for hours about both, but bottom line is, either Cohen does not teach proper hitting mechanics and in game at bat approach, or our hitters do not listen.

The proper swing is almost like a bench press of the bat THROUGH the hitting zone, which Hunter and Frazier displayed last year. Thus their observed power and ability to hit the ball to all fields with authority. The hands only press forward toward the pitcher through the zone, from the back shoulder to way out in front of the plate in a motion similar to a plane doing a touch and go landing. Depending on location of pitch the hands are directed inside or outside thus making the same essentially the same for inside or outside pitch, in turn leading to power to all fields. This approach also helps go the other way because you teach the hitter to look away every pitch. If ball is inside you just pull hands in 6 inches during swing to make contact. Keeping the bat flat through the zone allows more contact, even when your timing may be off a little, resulting in a much higher batting average and contact percentage.


We definitely aren't showing any pop at all today. Weak ass grounders and lazy pop ups. Nothing on the nose

But look at most every other one of our hitters outside of Robson, and they all swing AROUND the zone. The swing resembles a gate, revolving around an axis. Prime example is CT. This approach requires almost perfect timing to reach maximum power output. The bat goes around the body and has to be in the zone the exact time the baseball is in the zone. Being too quick or slow, results in jam jobs, whiffs and que balls off the end of the bat. This type of swing also results in a lot of pull side weak ground balls and lazy pops to the opposite field. These types of swings also tell a defense where to play a hitter, based on the pitch. Calling the pitches on defense is also beneficial.




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It's a philosophy thing. There is no one right way to do it, otherwise everyone would do it. We rode the patient approach to the Title game last year. I know it's frustrating this game, especially against UCSB's aggressive success this game. However, anyone who has been around the game (which by the intelligent discussion here many of you have) knows that tomorrow that aggressive approach might K and pop up all game long and allow the starter to go into the 8th on 50 pitches. It's a philosophy that Cohen has built this program on and has been successful. Single games can be very frustrating, but over the course of the year we'll be fine.


As for aggressiveness, I'm not sure what UCSB was doing, but I am going to assume. They were making contact often and most times early in the pitch count? They were also attempting steals and putting runners in motion on hit and runs? This is not aggressive, it's smart baseball. It shows a team that has been taught the game and mental aspect by their coach. Another knock I've repeatedly made about Cohen, to which I get bashed. The game is fairly simple if you learn it and it's frustrating to watch college players not know the game. I can tell most of you have never played at the college level, but a good college coach teaches the game. I see our hitters get fooled alot of the time, when they shouldn't, if they read the scouting report, know the game, and then pay attention to every batter during that game. Every pitcher has tendencies, in every situation. Those tendencies can also change throughout the game depending on numerous factors: 2nd time through lineup, certain hitters hitting specific pitches well, etc. A game is constantly evolving and you have to constantly adjust your thinking. Scouting reports tell you the percentages of how a pitcher will approach every type of hitter in every situation. He will also adjust those percentages, based on success during the game. A good hitter takes all of this into account and can pretty much call the next pitch before the pitcher thinks about it. This is why its so frustrating to watch us play. I can sit in the stands or watch on tv and predict 80% of the pitches. How much better do you think our hitters would be if they knew what pitch was coming 80% of the time?

Last year in Omaha, while sitting behind the dugout, I was calling pitches the entire game and some Omaha resident turns around and asked me how I was doing it. I tried to explain the best way I knew but it takes a while to learn.

And just like that Vickerson with a lazy pop out to opposite field. Rusty Gate swing.

[Bully13]

I don't care what kind of science u pull out. When I say swinging harder, I mean swinging as hard as u can, muscling up. A faster swing, quick swing generated by hands which creates bat speed, creates power. Fact. Baseball fact.

Eta. I re read your post. Yes faster bat speed will create more power. No question. But that isn't created by swinging harder.

Barry Bonds agrees. some of the strongest hands and forearm action I've ever seen. roid induced but just saying.