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Coach34
02-15-2014, 01:44 PM
excitement abounds!!!

preachermatt83
02-15-2014, 01:48 PM
haha! Excitement you say?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R8Vc7bhhTxk/UrkqqlbyqnI/AAAAAAAAFu4/gtNGxvKvrJE/s1600/bored%2Bgif.gif

msstate7
02-15-2014, 01:52 PM
Ray has got to teach blocking out

Political Hack
02-15-2014, 01:59 PM
and not traveling. and catching the entry pass. and shooting. and permiter defense.

Political Hack
02-15-2014, 02:00 PM
and how to make layups.

Political Hack
02-15-2014, 02:00 PM
and how to tackle.

Coach34
02-15-2014, 02:07 PM
We are always long with our 1st FT

Coach34
02-15-2014, 02:08 PM
We're doing too much standing and watching on rebounds

Political Hack
02-15-2014, 02:08 PM
Fred with a big 3. Roq driving to the hole is our best offense I've seen all year.

Coach34
02-15-2014, 02:09 PM
FTF doing work

msstate7
02-15-2014, 02:12 PM
FTF doing work

Really think he's capable of becoming a very good player for us. Sword desperately needs FTF to hit open 3's to open up driving lanes

bully99
02-15-2014, 02:22 PM
Watching these two teams play is worse than having your crotch hit with a two by four.

chef dixon
02-15-2014, 02:23 PM
I'm a curse when I turn on the game. It was 19-12. Similar situation for the Georgia game. I don't think I've seen us make a field goal in 2 games.

chef dixon
02-15-2014, 02:34 PM
2 TV timeouts later, still waiting.

msstate7
02-15-2014, 02:37 PM
These scoring droughts are pathetic and embarrassing

msstate7
02-15-2014, 02:42 PM
Seems like Cunningham logs a lot if mins in these scoring droughts of ours

preachermatt83
02-15-2014, 02:42 PM
embarrassment

Esmerelda Villalobos
02-15-2014, 02:44 PM
excitement abounds!!!

Worst team Ive ever seen. Croom'esque. Wait until you see the attendance next year.

Since I turned it on, auburn is on a 27-6 run and weve made 1 basket in 1 minute.

Raytoraid83
02-15-2014, 02:45 PM
These scoring droughts are pathetic and embarrassing

Getting blown out and going on a 9min scoring draught against auburn is just barely under the Sidney fight in terms of embarrassment. I know Coach34 will never admit it's on the same level but it is...

JOHNHEVESYMADE
02-15-2014, 02:46 PM
Where is Derunnya? Is it possible he quit? Didn't dress out against Georgia and didn't travel to Auburn.

msstate7
02-15-2014, 02:47 PM
Worst team Ive ever seen. Croom'esque. Wait until you see the attendance next year.

Ray's losing me bc this team just continues to regress. We can't do anything fundamentally sound. I'm beginning to think we can't afford to keep ray bc there is zero and a mean zero excitement around basketball and no hope it seems for the future. This team has quit playing hard for ray and that was the only good thing ray had going for him

Coach34
02-15-2014, 02:47 PM
Everything was going great and BOOM....we go nuts

Same shit happened vs Georgia

HailState39110
02-15-2014, 02:48 PM
Cue an Engie post supporting Rick Ray in 3...2....1

bully99
02-15-2014, 02:48 PM
Wasn't runnya having some headache problems.

Raytoraid83
02-15-2014, 02:50 PM
Ray's losing me bc this team just continues to regress. We can't do anything fundamentally sound. I'm beginning to think we can't afford to keep ray bc there is zero and a mean zero excitement around basketball and no hope it seems for the future. This team has quit playing hard for ray and that was the only good thing ray had going for him
There will be more people at women's game next year than men's

chef dixon
02-15-2014, 02:50 PM
We are actually a worse team than we were when the season ended last year. Ray needed to bring in help the first chance he got and he didn't, thus fielding the same exact team as last year and suffering the same shitshow of a season. I think he's lost any little momentum or motivation he has tried to create over the last 1.5 seasons.

starkvegasdawg
02-15-2014, 02:50 PM
Wasn't runnya having some headache problems.

I'd have headaches too if I had to watch this team everyday. He probably can't wait until spring practice.

msstate7
02-15-2014, 02:52 PM
Wasn't runnya having some headache problems.

Wilson probably witnessed the dumpster fire that is our basketball program first hand and decided to go back to football. Can't blame him if true...

mic
02-15-2014, 02:52 PM
Getting blown out and going on a 9min scoring draught against auburn is just barely under the Sidney fight in terms of embarrassment. I know Coach34 will never admit it's on the same level but it is...

No its not...

Raytoraid83
02-15-2014, 02:53 PM
Wilson probably witnessed the dumpster fire that is our basketball program first hand and decided to go back to football. Can't blame him if true...
But all the problem kids are gone?!?! It's no longer a dumpster fire****

Raytoraid83
02-15-2014, 02:53 PM
No its not...
You have no competitive bone in your body then

mic
02-15-2014, 02:58 PM
You have no competitive bone in your body then

If you really think what took place in Hawaii is less than an embarrassment of what happened in the first half of this game which is what you said you are an idiot..

Raytoraid83
02-15-2014, 03:02 PM
If you really think what took place in Hawaii is less than an embarrassment of what happened in the first half of this game which is what you said you are an idiot..

Re-read, I said that the fight was barely above getting blown out by the consistent bottom feeder of SEC basketball

codeDawg
02-15-2014, 03:04 PM
Well, you don't want to peak too early***

mic
02-15-2014, 03:06 PM
Re-read, I said that the fight was barely above getting blown out by the consistent bottom feeder of SEC basketball

I did you said on the same level.. Its not even in the same ball park..
Just say our last 10 minutes sucked.. and I would agree with ya.. and u wouldn't sound stupid..

Raytoraid83
02-15-2014, 03:08 PM
I did you said on the same level.. Its not even in the same ball park..
Just say our last 10 minutes sucked.. and I would agree with ya.. and u wouldn't sound stupid..

"Just barely under the Sidney fight in terms of embarrassment"

RougeDawg
02-15-2014, 03:08 PM
Everything was going great and BOOM....we go nuts

Same shit happened vs Georgia



Yet you say nothing is wrong in the coaching department. Hypocritical to say the least.

maroonmania
02-15-2014, 03:10 PM
I really thought Ray had four years MINIMUM but if we don't have a turnaround here at the end of this year then next year may indeed be a survival year for Ray. Its one thing to lose to not so good teams but to not even be competitive is unacceptable. And Georgia and Auburn are teams we should at least be competitive with.

JOHNHEVESYMADE
02-15-2014, 03:12 PM
Www.firerickray.com

MarketingBully01
02-15-2014, 03:13 PM
Getting blown out and going on a 9min scoring draught against auburn is just barely under the Sidney fight in terms of embarrassment. I know Coach34 will never admit it's on the same level but it is...

Someone needs to fark a picture of Rick Ray clapping with the captions "Welcome to the Shit Show". That would be epic....losing to Auburn and Georgia whilst getting blown out is an extreme embarrassment...

MarketingBully01
02-15-2014, 03:15 PM
Ray got out coached by Fox and Barbie. Both will likely get fired this year. Let that sink in.

mic
02-15-2014, 03:16 PM
"Just barely under the Sidney fight in terms of embarrassment"

Its like talking to a freaking 5 yr old..
ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING THE SAME THING IN TERMS OF EMBARRASMENT.. period...
Every team in the country has a bad half.. Even the elite ones. No school ever that I can remember has had a brawl break out on national TV in the stands..

Coach34
02-15-2014, 03:18 PM
Getting blown out and going on a 9min scoring draught against auburn is just barely under the Sidney fight in terms of embarrassment. I know Coach34 will never admit it's on the same level but it is...

careful- your agenda is showing

Coach34
02-15-2014, 03:21 PM
Ray got out coached by Fox and Barbie. Both will likely get fired this year. Let that sink in.

What about last year when Ray went 3-0 vs them?

Not to mention Ray is 3-0 vs Barbie right now

Raytoraid83
02-15-2014, 03:22 PM
careful- your agenda is showing

I'm not the only fan that is embarrassed by this team... If Ray loses out Stricklin has some interesting decisions to make I don't care what he told him when he hired him, gotta sell tickets somehow

MarketingBully01
02-15-2014, 03:23 PM
By that logic, Travis Ford should be fired at Oklahoma State since his guy got into a scuffle with an ACTUAL FAN in the stands. I noticed that died down pretty quickly. That was on national TV as well. But oh yeah, OSU fans probably don't care too much because they are WINNING. Let's face it. If Stansbury was making the tournament consistently, he would have never been fired. The only open we had to fire him is because he didn't make the tournament and wasn't winning consistently enough. Trust me. If Ray doesn't win next year, he will likely be gone.

msstate7
02-15-2014, 03:24 PM
We're gonna lose the rest of our games by 15-20+ points. I liked ray bc the team responded to him. I don't think this is the case anymore. The fanbase and now the team have quit. Our basketball program is reaching new lows.

Coach34
02-15-2014, 03:26 PM
Ray is getting 4 years- last year didnt even count in the admins eyes. That's not a C34 position- that's their position

MarketingBully01
02-15-2014, 03:27 PM
Sigh, you never give up don't you. Ray is only 2-0 against Barbie. We played them once last year and had to have OT to win. He is about to be 2-1 against Barbie but Auburn is horrible. Fox got his revenge as well with a 20 point drubbing of us at home. And if I'm not mistaken, we have to go to Georgia so he will finish 1-2.

mic
02-15-2014, 03:28 PM
By that logic, Travis Ford should be fired at Oklahoma State since his guy got into a scuffle with an ACTUAL FAN in the stands. I noticed that died down pretty quickly. That was on national TV as well. But oh yeah, OSU fans probably don't care too much because they are WINNING. Let's face it. If Stansbury was making the tournament consistently, he would have never been fired. The only open we had to fire him is because he didn't make the tournament and wasn't winning consistently enough. Trust me. If Ray doesn't win next year, he will likely be gone.

Really..??? Why don't you go read some articles on the issue and the way Travis has handeled things the past year or so. You might have a different opinion.
oh and BTW the Cowboys have lost 7 of their last 8 and lost by over 20 with out Smart last game..

Raytoraid83
02-15-2014, 03:30 PM
Just a question for mic and coach34, how many games y'all made this year?

Coach34
02-15-2014, 03:32 PM
Sigh, you never give up don't you. Ray is only 2-0 against Barbie. We played them once last year and had to have OT to win. He is about to be 2-1 against Barbie but Auburn is horrible. Fox got his revenge as well with a 20 point drubbing of us at home. And if I'm not mistaken, we have to go to Georgia so he will finish 1-2.

My bad- 2-0 vs Barbie...doent make your comment any less stupid

maroonmania
02-15-2014, 03:33 PM
Ray is getting 4 years- last year didnt even count in the admins eyes. That's not a C34 position- that's their position

Let's get a recheck on that position next year about this time if things haven't improved and nobody is showing up to games.

Coach34
02-15-2014, 03:34 PM
Just a question for mic and coach34, how many games y'all made this year?

Mic lives in Sville and makes every one- happy now?

Mic's parents dont miss game either

JOHNHEVESYMADE
02-15-2014, 03:35 PM
I guess ignorance is bliss. Am I right coach?

mic
02-15-2014, 03:35 PM
Just a question for mic and coach34, how many games y'all made this year?

I have been to ever home SEC game except for UGA..
How many games have you actually wanted us to WIN.???

thunderclap
02-15-2014, 03:36 PM
If Ray gets 4 years they will have to let farm animals into the hump to fill seats.

RougeDawg
02-15-2014, 03:37 PM
I'll just say this. Auburn was the worst program in the league until this game and week. Let that sink in coach. I see players playing hard but they seem to have the same attitude you portray from the AD, indifferent to winning. This is pathetic to play these last two games like that. No excuse for it, even if you have 5 players dresses out.

Coach34
02-15-2014, 03:38 PM
Let's get a recheck on that position next year about this time if things haven't improved and nobody is showing up to games.

We wont be this bad next year- just like we wont go 6-6 in football this Fall....Young teams get better

Raytoraid83
02-15-2014, 03:38 PM
I have been to ever home SEC game except for UGA..
How many games have you actually wanted us to WIN.???

All of them which is why it's so embarrassing to watch.

Coach34
02-15-2014, 03:39 PM
I'll just say this. Auburn was the worst program in the league until this game and week. Let that sink in coach. .

SC and their highly regarded coach disagrees with you...rebuilding is tough

maroonmania
02-15-2014, 03:40 PM
What is the deal with Sword lately? Today he has twice a many fouls as points, 2 points and 4 fouls.

mic
02-15-2014, 03:41 PM
I'll just say this. Auburn was the worst program in the league until this game and week. Let that sink in coach. I see players playing hard but they seem to have the same attitude you portray from the AD, indifferent to winning. This is pathetic to play these last two games like that. No excuse for it, even if you have 5 players dresses out.

You are wrong.. Auburn is and was not the worse team in the league. they have been competitive in about every game this year and in all of the games played at Aub..

drunkernhelldawg
02-15-2014, 03:42 PM
What we have here is a chance to make an amazing comeback.

JohnnyQuid
02-15-2014, 03:44 PM
What is the deal with Sword lately? Today he has twice a many fouls as points, 2 points and 4 fouls. He cant shoot, and teams arent letting him penetrate anymore. If he cant drive he just cant score.

MarketingBully01
02-15-2014, 03:44 PM
Best case, we finish the season 14-18 with the lone win over USC. Worst case we finish on a 14 game losing streak and finish 13-19. What is the record for most losses in a row? Anyone know?

MetEdDawg
02-15-2014, 03:47 PM
Amazing stat. In 20 1st half minutes we turned the ball over 16 times. In 15 2nd half minutes, we've turned it over 1 time.

MarketingBully01
02-15-2014, 03:47 PM
You are wrong.. Auburn is and was not the worse team in the league. they have been competitive in about every game this year and in all of the games played at Aub..

Okay, they are not the worst but they are in the bottom third which is not saying much. It will be enough for Barbie to be fired so what difference does it make?

chef dixon
02-15-2014, 03:53 PM
He cant shoot, and teams arent letting him penetrate anymore. If he cant drive he just cant score.

I think refs are starting to be tougher on him for that too. He's not getting a lot of the calls people normally would like he was early in the season. Then he plays aggressively defensively and gets called for tick-tack fouls. Unfortunate because he's our most talented player.

drunkernhelldawg
02-15-2014, 03:53 PM
We actually do still have a chance in this game. Auburn is more fatigued than we are.

MarketingBully01
02-15-2014, 04:00 PM
Ray is getting 4 years- last year didnt even count in the admins eyes. That's not a C34 position- that's their position

Of course Stricklin gives him four years regardless. He is the one that hired him and started this experiment in the first place. He would look like an inept idiot if he fired him after next year no matter what happens.

starkvegasdawg
02-15-2014, 04:05 PM
If there is any possible bright spot our bench has out scored their bench 31-2.

msstate7
02-15-2014, 04:06 PM
Of course Stricklin gives him four years regardless. He is the one that hired him and started this experiment in the first place. He would look like an inept idiot if he fired him after next year no matter what happens.

RR and SS will both be gone before we see 4 more years of this

MarketingBully01
02-15-2014, 04:09 PM
If there is any possible bright spot our bench has out scored their bench 31-2.

Auburn has two players that are worth a shit and I believe they both combine for 50+ points. When that happens, you don't need a bench.

Coach34
02-15-2014, 04:09 PM
on the bright side- we have scored 80 today

Coach34
02-15-2014, 04:12 PM
58 fouls today

Aint college basketball grand???

MetEdDawg
02-15-2014, 04:12 PM
We clearly have talent, but damn are we the most inconsistent basketball team I've seen. I think the wear of the season is starting to get to us too, but we have to fix the consistency. Can't have that 9 minute stretch where we don't get a bucket and we can't have 3 out of 5 possessions where we turn the ball over. I would rather take a shit shot with 1 second left on the play clock than turn it over because a turnover will go in the basket exactly 0% of the time.

16 turnovers in the 1st half will never get it done and 9 minutes without hitting a shot will not get it done. Have to cut those down and we will start winning.

drunkernhelldawg
02-15-2014, 04:12 PM
on the bright side- we have scored 80 today

We did some good things in spurts in this game. We were close to winning it. Change three or four plays and we're right there.

MetEdDawg
02-15-2014, 04:16 PM
60 fouls in this game. That's absurd.

mic
02-15-2014, 04:16 PM
Really..??? Why don't you go read some articles on the issue and the way Travis has handeled things the past year or so. You might have a different opinion.
oh and BTW the Cowboys have lost 7 of their last 8 and lost by over 20 with out Smart last game..

and they just lost another one. that's 6 in a row.. this one at home..

MarketingBully01
02-15-2014, 04:18 PM
and they just lost another one. that's 6 in a row.. this one at home..

They aren't going to fire Travis Ford. Give that dream up.

mic
02-15-2014, 04:20 PM
Auburn has two players that are worth a shit and I believe they both combine for 50+ points. When that happens, you don't need a bench.

KT Harrell is far from not worth a shit. 2nd or 3rd leading scorer in the conference..

mic
02-15-2014, 04:24 PM
They aren't going to fire Travis Ford. Give that dream up.

I agree. Im sure he wont be fired. Just making a point that the issue hasn't just gone away like you said just because ESPN isn't shoving it down everyones throat like the did our situation.. .. And they aren't a lock for the tourney..

bannedwayne
02-15-2014, 04:39 PM
If Ray gets 4 years they will have to let farm animals into the hump to fill seats.

Farm animals have higher standards.

chef dixon
02-15-2014, 04:42 PM
KT Harrell and Denson are not worth a damn. I don't care how many points they are scoring, their team blows a fat one and that's all that matters. That's why basketball rebuilding is tricky. We watch this game today and wish we had guys like Harrell and Denson, but that's obviously not the way to go about it. I'll at least wait and see what our team looks like next year with 5 new faces, but Ray has to be in NIT consideration next year.

NCDawg
02-15-2014, 04:46 PM
Maybe Stricklin can talk to them and perk them up like he did our FG kicker in the Arkansas game, before Mullen ran him off.

drunkernhelldawg
02-15-2014, 04:47 PM
KT Harrell and Denson are not worth a damn. I don't care how many points they are scoring, their team blows a fat one and that's all that matters. That's why basketball rebuilding is tricky. We watch this game today and wish we had guys like Harrell and Denson, but that's obviously not the way to go about it. I'll at least wait and see what our team looks like next year with 5 new faces, but Ray has to be in NIT consideration next year.

I don't know what will happen next season, but I know that it will be wrong to blame Rick Ray if we don't make the NIT. Sure, he is the coach, but he didn't participate in the suicide bombing, and that is what we are recovering from. There's a lot of blame to go around, but Rick Ray is not even on the list.

Rayburn8
02-15-2014, 05:08 PM
I don't know what will happen next season, but I know that it will be
wrong to blame Rick Ray if we don't make the NIT. Sure, he is the coach, but he didn't participate in the suicide bombing, and that is what we are recovering from. There's a lot of blame to go around, but Rick Ray is not even on the list.

Amen

mic
02-15-2014, 05:45 PM
KT Harrell and Denson are not worth a damn. I don't care how many points they are scoring, their team blows a fat one and that's all that matters. That's why basketball rebuilding is tricky. We watch this game today and wish we had guys like Harrell and Denson, but that's obviously not the way to go about it. I'll at least wait and see what our team looks like next year with 5 new faces, but Ray has to be in NIT consideration next year.

I stopped reading after I read that first sentence....

chef dixon
02-15-2014, 05:53 PM
I stopped reading after I read that first sentence....

Well you should have kept reading. What about 12-11 (4-8) do you not understand? They are so very effective that they miiiiight get that elusive CBI bid this year.

grinnindawg
02-15-2014, 07:14 PM
I don't know what will happen next season, but I know that it will be wrong to blame Rick Ray if we don't make the NIT. Sure, he is the coach, but he didn't participate in the suicide bombing, and that is what we are recovering from. There's a lot of blame to go around, but Rick Ray is not even on the list.

I am so tired of this argument it's not even funny, why, why did I do this?

The "suicide bombing" was 8-8 in the SEC in 2012.

I hope Coach Ray is successful. At times we look well coached.
At times I look for Chauncey Robinson to run on the floor.

I wish I hadn't done the stats below, but was bored on a Saturday afternoon. Likely errors within, but they are close.

I had in my head how awful the last 5 years of Stans were.
We won 59% of our games.
Which was higher than his overall % of 55.
53% in the last 3 years.
Without Stans since 79 we've won 38% of our games in the league.
Put the two 8 on 5 losses to UK in 2010 in there and I wonder where we are now.

Since 79 we have a winning record against 4 SEC opponents.
Without Stans it's 1. We own South Carolina.
Stans had a winning record against 8.

Given these stats, I'd say 50% is the minimum acceptable winning percentage in league play for an MSU coach over a 3 year period.
I need another beer.


Stans last 5 y last 3 y since 79 wo stan
wins loss % wins loss % wins loss % wins loss % win loss %
Bama 16 14 53 6 5 55 2 4 33 30 46 39 14 32 30
Ark 16 14 53 7 3 70 4 2 67 21 24 47 5 10 33
Aub 14 12 54 5 5 50 3 3 50 34 37 48 20 25 44
Fla 8 9 47 4 2 67 2 2 50 20 32 38 12 23 34
Geo 9 9 50 4 4 50 1 3 25 24 33 42 15 24 38
UK 4 13 24 2 4 33 0 4 0 11 42 21 7 29 19
LSU 18 12 60 7 4 64 4 2 67 37 35 51 19 23 45
OM 21 8 72 7 3 70 5 1 83 40 31 56 19 23 45
USC 12 5 71 6 0 100 3 0 100 18 9 67 6 4 60
Tenn 7 9 44 3 3 50 2 1 67 20 31 39 13 22 37
Van 11 8 58 3 4 43 1 2 33 25 32 44 14 24 37

Tot 136 113 55 54 37 59 27 24 53 280 352 44 144 239 38

mcdawg
02-15-2014, 07:24 PM
I did you said on the same level.. Its not even in the same ball park..
Just say our last 10 minutes sucked.. and I would agree with ya.. and u wouldn't sound stupid..

Mic, go ask someone outside of MS about he fight and then ask them about our existing team - and they will tell you: 1) don't remember the fight or don't know which team it was 2) MSU sucks in basketball. I have a guy that lives in Orlando and works for me - big Carolina fan and keeps up with college basketball. He asked me how we got so bad in basketball, and he couldn't believe we switched coaches because we used to win. I told him it was about issues like Hawaii - he said he didn't know what team that was about. Outside of MS, they don't know if OM is in Starkville or MSU is in Oxford. People like you get bringing this up, and you could have asked people the month after the incident and they wouldn't know who you were talking about. But, they know now that we SUCK. So, yes our TEAM situation is worse than the fight.

mcdawg
02-15-2014, 07:28 PM
I have been to ever home SEC game except for UGA..
How many games have you actually wanted us to WIN.???

Boy, you must not have a life where you would rather watch this team than _______. (Fill in the blank)

mic
02-15-2014, 08:09 PM
Boy, you must not have a life where you would rather watch this team than _______. (Fill in the blank)

If you lived in Starkville and didn't go to the games . Then you should not call yourself a fan of MSU athletics..

mic
02-15-2014, 08:16 PM
Mic, go ask someone outside of MS about he fight and then ask them about our existing team - and they will tell you: 1) don't remember the fight or don't know which team it was 2) MSU sucks in basketball. I have a guy that lives in Orlando and works for me - big Carolina fan and keeps up with college basketball. He asked me how we got so bad in basketball, and he couldn't believe we switched coaches because we used to win. I told him it was about issues like Hawaii - he said he didn't know what team that was about. Outside of MS, they don't know if OM is in Starkville or MSU is in Oxford. People like you get bringing this up, and you could have asked people the month after the incident and they wouldn't know who you were talking about. But, they know now that we SUCK. So, yes our TEAM situation is worse than the fight.

if that's what you think.. then ok...

drunkernhelldawg
02-15-2014, 08:24 PM
Mic, go ask someone outside of MS about he fight and then ask them about our existing team - and they will tell you: 1) don't remember the fight or don't know which team it was 2) MSU sucks in basketball. I have a guy that lives in Orlando and works for me - big Carolina fan and keeps up with college basketball. He asked me how we got so bad in basketball, and he couldn't believe we switched coaches because we used to win. I told him it was about issues like Hawaii - he said he didn't know what team that was about. Outside of MS, they don't know if OM is in Starkville or MSU is in Oxford. People like you get bringing this up, and you could have asked people the month after the incident and they wouldn't know who you were talking about. But, they know now that we SUCK. So, yes our TEAM situation is worse than the fight.

It's really true: Our overreaction to the fight did multiple times more damage to us than the fight itself. I still don't understand why SS participated in us punishing ourselves over this. Why not just announce that we're handling it internally and go on to the next thing? Maybe we'll learn something from it, but I doubt it. This is outside of the issue of switching coaches, which was handled badly partly because of the fight but which also might have been the right decision. But handling like we did made it the wrong decision, and it partly goes back to our sanctimonious and idiotic reaction to two testestorone filled college athletes expressing themselves like they'd learned to on the corner. Stans is partly to blame for not taking a stronger stand against SS interference with his right to discipline his team.

mic
02-15-2014, 08:29 PM
It's really true: Our overreaction to the fight did multiple times more damage to us than the fight itself. I still don't understand why SS participated in us punishing ourselves over this. Why not just announce that we're handling it internally and go on to the next thing? Maybe we'll learn something from it, but I doubt it. This is outside of the issue of switching coaches, which was handled badly partly because of the fight but which also might have been the right decision. But handling like we did made it the wrong decision, and it partly goes back to our sanctimonious and idiotic reaction to two testestorone filled college athletes expressing themselves like they'd learned to on the corner. Stans is partly to blame for not taking a stronger stand against SS interference with his right to discipline his team.

your right it wasn't just the fight , it just compounded all that was going on and had been going on for the past few years..

I seen it dawg
02-15-2014, 09:31 PM
Stains is gone and ain't coming back. And thank god. We will eventually get our program back, maybe not with Ray, but we will get it back. I'll take my chances moving forward without Stains.

drunkernhelldawg
02-15-2014, 09:59 PM
Stains is gone and ain't coming back. And thank god. We will eventually get our program back, maybe not with Ray, but we will get it back. I'll take my chances moving forward without Stains.

I like Ray's style, and he looks like he could grow into a really good, even great, coach over time.

drunkernhelldawg
02-15-2014, 10:01 PM
I am so tired of this argument it's not even funny, why, why did I do this?

The "suicide bombing" was 8-8 in the SEC in 2012.

I hope Coach Ray is successful. At times we look well coached.
At times I look for Chauncey Robinson to run on the floor.

I wish I hadn't done the stats below, but was bored on a Saturday afternoon. Likely errors within, but they are close.

I had in my head how awful the last 5 years of Stans were.
We won 59% of our games.
Which was higher than his overall % of 55.
53% in the last 3 years.
Without Stans since 79 we've won 38% of our games in the league.
Put the two 8 on 5 losses to UK in 2010 in there and I wonder where we are now.

Since 79 we have a winning record against 4 SEC opponents.
Without Stans it's 1. We own South Carolina.
Stans had a winning record against 8.

Given these stats, I'd say 50% is the minimum acceptable winning percentage in league play for an MSU coach over a 3 year period.
I need another beer.


Stans last 5 y last 3 y since 79 wo stan
wins loss % wins loss % wins loss % wins loss % win loss %
Bama 16 14 53 6 5 55 2 4 33 30 46 39 14 32 30
Ark 16 14 53 7 3 70 4 2 67 21 24 47 5 10 33
Aub 14 12 54 5 5 50 3 3 50 34 37 48 20 25 44
Fla 8 9 47 4 2 67 2 2 50 20 32 38 12 23 34
Geo 9 9 50 4 4 50 1 3 25 24 33 42 15 24 38
UK 4 13 24 2 4 33 0 4 0 11 42 21 7 29 19
LSU 18 12 60 7 4 64 4 2 67 37 35 51 19 23 45
OM 21 8 72 7 3 70 5 1 83 40 31 56 19 23 45
USC 12 5 71 6 0 100 3 0 100 18 9 67 6 4 60
Tenn 7 9 44 3 3 50 2 1 67 20 31 39 13 22 37
Van 11 8 58 3 4 43 1 2 33 25 32 44 14 24 37

Tot 136 113 55 54 37 59 27 24 53 280 352 44 144 239 38

The 21-8 vs. OM is massive. I didn't realize it was that good. Nice work on the stats.

Coach34
02-15-2014, 10:05 PM
We're now giving Stands credit for wins Williams got in the early 90's with the team he and Brady recruited...wow

grinnindawg
02-15-2014, 10:14 PM
Given SEC officiating, 8 and 9 against UF in that time period is strong as well.

Hope Ray can get a couple of players next year.
Below .500 in this league is unacceptable.
Although it is better than I thought it would be this year.

grinnindawg
02-15-2014, 10:16 PM
I don't think so.
The stats are from Stans as HC only.

grinnindawg
02-15-2014, 10:18 PM
We're now giving Stands credit for wins Williams got in the early 90's with the team he and Brady recruited...wow

Let me know where I got it wrong.

1999: MSU, 55-50 at Tuscaloosa
MSU, 79-50 at Starkville
2000: UA, 77-74 ot at Tuscaloosa
MSU, 92-70 at Starkville
2001: UA, 72-59 at Tuscaloosa
MSU, 84-70 at Starkville
2002: UA, 85-73 at Tuscaloosa
MSU, 76-62 at Starkville
MSU, 61-58 at Atlanta, Ga.*
2003: UA, 68-62 ot at Tuscaloosa
MSU, 59-55 at Starkville
2004: UA, 77-73 at Starkville
MSU, 82-81 ot at Tuscaloosa
2005: UA, 98-49 at Tuscaloosa
UA, 68-63 at Starkville
2006: UA, 65-59 at Tuscaloosa
MSU, 71-58 at Starkville
2007: UA, 80-79 at Tuscaloosa
MSU, 91-67 at Starkville
2008: MSU, 66-56 at Tuscaloosa
MSU, 73-66 at Starkville
MSU, 69-67 ot at Atlanta, Ga.*
2009: MSU, 83-74 at Starkville
UA, 87-85 2ot at Tuscaloosa
2010: UA, 62-57 at Tuscaloosa
MSU, 74-66 at Starkville
2011: UA, 75-57 at Starkville
UA, 75-61 at Tuscaloosa
2012: MSU, 56-52 at Starkville
UA, 67-50 at Tuscaloosa


1999: UA, 61-59 at Starkville
UA, 82-62 at Fayetteville
UA, 84-79 ot at Atlanta, Ga.*
2000: UA, 83-73 at Fayetteville
UA, 87-81 at Starkville
2001: MSU, 87-73 at Starkville
UA, 83-72 at Fayetteville
2002: UA, 75-64 at Fayetteville
MSU, 89-83 at Starkville
2003: MSU, 84-54 at Starkville
UA, 53-51 at Fayetteville
2004: MSU, 80-62 at Starkville
MSU, 77-70 at Fayetteville
2005: MSU, 80-55 at Starkville
MSU, 57-55 at Fayetteville
2006: MSU, 69-67 at Starkville
UA, 80-70 at Fayetteville
2007: MSU, 84-60 at Starkville
UA, 67-58 at Fayetteville
UA, 81-72 at Atlanta, Ga.*
2008: UA, 78-58 at Fayetteville
MSU, 80-74 at Starkville
2009: MSU, 70-56 at Fayetteville
MSU, 86-77 at Starkville
2010: MSU, 82-80 at Starkville
UA, 67-62 at Fayetteville
2011: MSU, 67-56 at Starkville
MSU, 88-78 at Fayetteville
2012: UA, 98-88 at Fayetteville
MSU, 79-59 at Starkville


1999: AU, 64-54 at Auburn
AU, 76-73 at Starkville
2000: AU, 51-45 at Starkville
AU, 73-57 at Auburn
2001: AU, 60-56 at Auburn
MSU, 85-7 at Starkville
2002: MSU, 72-64 at Auburn
MSU, 89-53 at Starkville
2003: MSU, 63-46 at Auburn
MSU, 67-45 at Starkville
2004: MSU, 73-68 at Auburn
MSU, 105-91 at Starkville
2005: MSU, 90-53 at Starkville
AU, 90-76 at Auburn
2006: MSU, 71-53 at Starkville
AU, 75-71 at Auburn
2007: MSU, 87-76 at Starkville
MSU, 91-83 at Auburn
2008: MSU, 83-64 at Auburn
MSU 89-78 at Starkville
2009: AU, 91-76 at Auburn
AU, 76-58 at Starkville
2010: MSU, 85-75 ot at Starkville

2012-13 | Bulldog Basketball | 44 AU, 89-80 at Auburn
2011: MSU, 85-66 at Starkville
AU, 65-62 at Auburn
2012: MSU, 91-88 at Starkville
AU, 65-55 at Auburn


1999: MSU, 66-63 at Starkville
2000: UF, 88-58 at Gainesville
2001: UF, 81-80 at Starkville
2002: UF, 76-48 at Gainesville
MSU, 62-52 at Atlanta, Ga.*
2003: UF, 74-66 at Starkville
2004: MSU, 79-68 at Gainesville
2005: MSU, 71-57 at Starkville
UF, 80-64 at Atlanta, Ga.*
2006: UF, 75-60 at Gainesville
2007: UF, 70-67 at Starkville
2008: MSU, 68-59 at Gainesville
2009: MSU, 80-71 at Starkville
2010: UF, 69-62 at Gainesville
MSU, 75-69 at Nashville *
2011: MSU, 71-64 at Starkville
2012: UF, 69-57 at Gainesvill


1999: UG, 63-60 at Athens
2000: MSU, 71-59 at Starkville
2001: UG, 94-73 at Athens
2002: UG, 86-68 at Starkville
2003: UG, 67-63 at Athens
2004: MSU, 71-58 at Starkville
2005: MSU, 76-62 at Athens
MSU, 76-65 at Atlanta *
2006: MSU, 83-68 at Starkville
2007: UG, 86-73 at Athens
2008: MSU, 60-49 at Starkville
UG, 64-60 at Atlanta, Ga.*
2009: MSU, 67-61 at Athens
MSU, 79-60 at Tampa, Fla.*
2010: MSU, 72-69 at Starkville
2011 UG, 86-64 at Athens
2012: UG, 70-68 ot at Starkville
UG, 71-61 at New Orleans*


1999: UK, 76-49 at Lexington
2000: UK, 73-61 at Starkville
2001: UK, 76-57 at Lexington
2002: MSU, 74-69 ot at Starkville
2003: UK, 70-62 at Lexington
UK, 64-57 at New Orleans *
2004: UK, 67-66 at Starkville
2005: UK, 94-78 at Lexington
2006: UK, 81-66 at Starkville
2007: UK, 64-60 at Lexington
MSU, 84-82 ot at Atlanta *
2008: MSU, 69-64 at Starkville
2009: MSU, 66-57 at Lexington
2010: UK, 81-75 ot at Starkville
UK, 75-74 ot at Nashville *
2011: UK, 85-79 at Lexington
2012: UK, 73-64 at Starkville


1999: MSU, 55-53 at Starkville
LSU, 74-63 at Baton Rouge
2000: MSU, 68-66 at Starkville
LSU, 71-66 at Baton Rouge
2001: LSU, 82-73 at Starkville
MSU, 55-48 at Baton Rouge
2002: MSU, 84-61 at Starkville
LSU, 68-65 ot at Baton Rouge
MSU, 57-51 at Atlanta, Ga.*
2003: LSU, 85-72 at Baton Rouge
MSU, 67-64 at Starkville
MSU, 76-61 at New Orleans *
2004: MSU, 64-54 at Baton Rouge
MSU, 84-58 at Starkville
2005: LSU, 69-62 at Baton Rouge
LSU, 80-72 at Starkville
2006: LSU, 71-57 at Starkville
LSU, 72-59 at Baton Rouge
2007: MSU, 85-78 at Starkville
MSU, 56-50 at Baton Rouge
2008: MSU, 61-39 at Baton Rouge
MSU 84-75 at Starkville
2009: LSU, 81-57 at Baton Rouge
LSU, 97-94 2ot at Starkville
MSU, 67-57 at Tampa, Fla.*
2010: MSU, 67-51 at Starkville
MSU, 60-59 at Baton Rouge
2011: MSU, 58-57 at Baton Rouge
LSU, 84-82 at Starkville
2012: MSU, 76-71 at Starkville
LSU, 69-67 ot at Baton Rouge


1999: UM, 81-68 at Oxford
MSU, 72-69 at Starkville
2000: MSU, 61-59 at Oxford
MSU, 80-67 at Starkville
2001: MSU, 79-69 at Starkville
UM, 51-48 at Oxford
2002: UM, 66-59 at Oxford
MSU, 61-59 at Starkville
2003: MSU, 58-57 at Oxford
MSU, 68-64 ot at Starkville
MSU, 73-64 at New Orleans*
2004: MSU, 61-54 at Oxford
MSU, 80-56 at Starkville
2005: MSU, 87-76 at Oxford
MSU, 71-68 at Starkville
2006: UM, 75-65 at Oxford
MSU, 84-55 at Starkville
2007: MSU, 77-67 at Starkville
UM, 85-73 at Oxford
2008: MSU, 88-68 at Starkville
UM, 74-63 at Oxford
2009: UM, 67-63 at Starkville
MSU, 82-80 at Oxford
2010: MSU, 80-75 at Oxford
MSU, 71-63 at Starkville
2011: MSU, 69-64 at Oxford
MSU, 71-58 at Starkville
2012: UM, 75-68 at Oxford
MSU, 70-60 at Starkville


1999: MSU, 88-82 at Knoxville
MSU, 62-56 at Atlanta, Ga.*
2000: UT, 88-81 at Starkville
2001: UT, 84-79 at Knoxville
2002: MSU, 92-91 ot at Starkville
2003: UT, 59-49 at Knoxville
2004: MSU, 82-60 at Starkville
2005: UT, 64-63 at Knoxville
2006: UT, 88-65 at Starkville
2007: UT, 92-84 at Knoxville
2008: UT, 76-71 at Starkville
2009: UT,81-76 at Knoxville
MSU, 64-61 at Tampa, Fla.*
2010: UT, 75-59 at Starkville
2011: MSU, 70-69 at Knoxville
2012: MSU, 62-58 at Starkville


1999: MSU, 67-62 at Starkville
MSU, 76-58 at Atlanta *
2000: VU, 65-64 at Nashville
VU, 76-53 at Atlanta, Ga.*
2001: MSU, 80-63 at Starkville
2002: MSU, 66-43 at Nashville
2003: MSU, 82-60 at Starkville
2004: MSU, 72-69 at Nashville
VU, 74-70 ot at Atlanta, Ga.*
2005: MSU, 60-54 at Starkville
2006: VU, 80-52 at Nashville
2007: MSU, 83-70 at Starkville
2008: VU, 86-85 ot at Nashville
2009: MSU, 73-66 at Starkville
2010: VU, 75-72 at Nashville
MSU, 62-52 at Nashville *
2011: VU,81-74 at Starkville
VU, 87-81 at Atlanta *
2012: MSU, 78-77 ot at Nashville


1999: MSU, 66-60 at Starkville
2000: USC, 68-67 at Columbia
2001: MSU, 77-73 at Starkville
USC, 69-62 at Nashville *
2002: MSU, 64-57 at Columbia
2003: MSU, 64-48 at Starkville
2004: MSU, 79-75 ot at Columbia
2005: MSU, 73-65 at Starkville
2006: USC, 83-61 at Columbia
USC, 59-44 at Nashville *
2007: USC, 66-63 at Starkville
2008: MSU, 61-56 ot at Columbia
2009: MSU, 75-70 at Starkville
MSU, 82-68 at Tampa, Fla.*
2010: MSU, 76-63 at Columbia
2011: MSU, 60-58 at Starkville
2012: MSU, 69-67 ot at Columbia

mcdawg
02-16-2014, 12:03 AM
If you lived in Starkville and didn't go to the games . Then you should not call yourself a fan of MSU athletics..

There is women's basketball, women's soccer, women's softball, tennis, and baseball if you want to stay with the "State Fan" stuff. But, I would rather go to one of the other sporting events or hunting or do things with my family than watch this team. But, the good thing about when I attended 3 games I was able to leave my condo 15 minutes before tip-off and make it - no traffic or lines to get in. That is one bright point of this disaster. (BTW, I paid for my 4 tickets, my parking pass, and my Bulldog fees even though I cannot/won't attend many games, so I am a State fan. The problem is nobody that I have asked wants my tickets - they are doing the other stuff I am talking about. Don't give me this crap that as a "State Fan" I have to attend games - give me a product that is good enough to compete for my time. Also, when my family has no interest in going, then I either leave them or not - I choose them.)

moss818
02-16-2014, 12:22 AM
I agree with MCDawg. I bleed maroon and I am a bulldog club member for going on 8 years, but I just cannot see myself spending money and time to take my family to see our basketball team perform. You can hate all you want. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Coach34
02-16-2014, 12:27 AM
Yes, fan support is overrated when trying to rebuild a program. All those recruits on their visits realize the seats are empty because the fans are just waiting on them to sign with State

Not to mention there is no need to give Ray and his team support and a real home court advantage when playing at home.

MarketingBully01
02-16-2014, 01:32 AM
I like Ray's style, and he looks like he could grow into a really good, even great, coach over time.

Yep, he certainly has great dance moves...