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fishwater99
04-29-2013, 04:17 PM
What do you think?

Good read about his twin brother's reaction.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/news/20130429/jarron-collins-reaction-brother-jason-gay/

"At the end of the day, this is what matters: He's my brother, he's a great guy, and I want him to be happy. I'll love him and I'll support him and, if necessary, I'll protect him."

RTO Dawg
04-29-2013, 04:59 PM
God bless him and all the other sissys

Will James
04-29-2013, 05:00 PM
Good maybe the media will shut the **** up now.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 06:42 PM
I think the damn media needs to quit acting like this is such a great thing. It's not. And for a group of people that wants to be treated "fair", they sure do try to make a scene any time someone "comes out". I don't give a shit what he is, and nobody else should be concerned with it either.

As a man that is hoping to start a family with my wife soon...I don't see how you can raise a child these days when you can't turn on the TV without two men making out anymore. It's frustrating. I don't care what people choose to do, but don't force that shit down our throats thru the media when it's definitely not the "norm" in our country.

Rant over.

If I took that too far (I don't think I did)...I will delete it just let me know.

Drugdog
04-29-2013, 06:47 PM
You didn't go far enough. I'm straight with two kids and married. Hell I'm in the minority now. I should have my own show. Drug dog and family on A&E. Sundays at 7.

msstate7
04-29-2013, 06:49 PM
You didn't go far enough. I'm straight with two kids and married. Hell I'm in the minority now. I should have my own show. Drug dog and family on A&E. Sundays at 7.
You guys are about to bring out the goon squad (ennis, king, swdawg, etc)

Drugdog
04-29-2013, 06:50 PM
This weeks episode drug dog and family go to Church and then out to lunch as a family....what a strange thing with this family.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 07:08 PM
You didn't go far enough. I'm straight with two kids and married. Hell I'm in the minority now. I should have my own show. Drug dog and family on A&E. Sundays at 7.

+1. You are exactly right. It's almost like we should feel ashamed these days if we are a heterosexual white man married to a white female and have a straight white son, and we go to church on Sundays. It's frustrating as hell.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 07:09 PM
This weeks episode drug dog and family go to Church and then out to lunch as a family....what a strange thing with this family.

Haha, you're a trip Drugdog. And sadly, you are spot on.

Ronny
04-29-2013, 07:40 PM
You didn't go far enough. I'm straight with two kids and married. Hell I'm in the minority now. I should have my own show. Drug dog and family on A&E. Sundays at 7.

Right.

You are in that small minority of approx. 96% of Americans who are straight.

http://gaylife.about.com/od/comingout/a/population.htm

The roughly 3.8% of queers in America are definitely out to get you.**

Out of the closeted gay men in the NFL, MLB & NBA, (yes, they exist, believe it or not), this guy had the courage to make it public. I don't really have an opinion on that one way or another, since I don't give a crap.

My closing comment is if you really think a single NBA player coming out of the closet suddenly thrusts your straight lifestyle into a persecuted minority within America, then please seek professional counseling for your paranoia.

Quaoarsking
04-29-2013, 08:05 PM
Hopefully our society will get to the point where this isn't a story at all anymore.

Will James
04-29-2013, 08:15 PM
Hopefully our society will get to the point where this isn't a story at all anymore.

Uh it's not like conservatives are all up in arms about it. It wouldn't be a story at all without the militants set out to shove it down everyone's throat.

swdawg
04-29-2013, 08:17 PM
You did take it too far.

Somehow, gay people gaining acceptance in society is a threat to you and your family plans? Maybe one day they will be treated fairly and these event won't matter...that's what they would like as well. Unfortunately, we aren't at that point, yet.

And for you someone who "don't give a shit what he is" - the rest of your post definitely contradicts that statement. It seems that you do "give a shit" - based on your admitted "rant" about it and the hyperbolic you can't turn on the TV without two men making out anymore.


I think the damn media needs to quit acting like this is such a great thing. It's not. And for a group of people that wants to be treated "fair", they sure do try to make a scene any time someone "comes out". I don't give a shit what he is, and nobody else should be concerned with it either.

As a man that is hoping to start a family with my wife soon...I don't see how you can raise a child these days when you can't turn on the TV without two men making out anymore. It's frustrating. I don't care what people choose to do, but don't force that shit down our throats thru the media when it's definitely not the "norm" in our country.

Rant over.

If I took that too far (I don't think I did)...I will delete it just let me know.

Will James
04-29-2013, 08:26 PM
You did not take it too far. Dont bow to the PC cultural Marxist bs.

angusyoung
04-29-2013, 08:56 PM
i love the fact that the really pissed guy in the SPS thread invoked Jackie's name. that's the funniest part of the whole thing.

msstate7
04-29-2013, 09:02 PM
i love the fact that the really pissed guy in the SPS thread invoked Jackie's name. that's the funniest part of the whole thing.
That was great. I got a kick out of it too

Ronny
04-29-2013, 09:06 PM
Uh it's not like conservatives are all up in arms about it. It wouldn't be a story at all without the militants set out to shove it down everyone's throat.


These conservatives might be up & arms about it, provided Collins chooses to go overboard & marry a man.

Otherwise, I'm sure their famous tolerance will reign supreme.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_opponents_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 09:09 PM
You did take it too far.

Somehow, gay people gaining acceptance in society is a threat to you and your family plans? Maybe one day they will be treated fairly and these event won't matter...that's what they would like as well. Unfortunately, we aren't at that point, yet.

And for you someone who "don't give a shit what he is" - the rest of your post definitely contradicts that statement. It seems that you do "give a shit" - based on your admitted "rant" about it and the hyperbolic you can't turn on the TV without two men making out anymore.

Gaining acceptance? Get a clue.

Treated fairly? Oh, you mean by having a big announcement ceremony about their sexuality? That is more than "fair" I would say. Especially when no straight people get a media circus for saying they're straight.

And as for your contradictory statement...you must not be able to read. My problem isn't that he's gay, my problem is that he is getting praised for it like he walked on water. And yes, as a Christian that doesn't believe people can be born gay...I don't want my children to turn on the TV and 9/10 shows have people in gay sexual type scenes as if it's the way it's supposed to be. It's not, in my opinion. That's why 4% of America is Gay, yet 96% of "family TV" is about gay acceptance it seems.

We get it, people can be gay. That's your prerogative, but don't act like gays are still treated unfairly when they dominate the media, and every time someone "comes out" it's a damn National event.

Hell, I'm sure a certain percent of Americans have Chinese decent, but every time someone says they're part Chinese we don't have a press release. Quit acting like if you're gay you're special. You want fair, fair is that you are no more deserving of attention for your sexuality than anyone else. So quit expecting it.

mic
04-29-2013, 09:11 PM
Im just glad the story came out today so the sports media (esp ESPN) wont spend every SECOND on the Tebow situation..

Drugdog
04-29-2013, 09:19 PM
Hey Ronnie and sndawg, u can have an opinion when You have a family. I don't want my girls watching Bubba and Bill doing the big nasty of being exposed to it. We are living the way the bible intended , A man and a woman. How about you being tolerant. The way 96% of America lives.
America was better when Andy and Oppie were on TV, not Jerry springer.

swdawg
04-29-2013, 09:27 PM
If you really didn't give a shit, you would have just posted "I don't give a shit" or you wouldn't have posted at all. My reading is just fine, thanks.
Gaining acceptance? Get a clue.

Treated fairly? Oh, you mean by having a big announcement ceremony about their sexuality? That is more than "fair" I would say. Especially when no straight people get a media circus for saying they're straight.

And as for your contradictory statement...you must not be able to read. My problem isn't that he's gay, my problem is that he is getting praised for it like he walked on water. And yes, as a Christian that doesn't believe people can be born gay...I don't want my children to turn on the TV and 9/10 shows have people in gay sexual type scenes as if it's the way it's supposed to be. It's not, in my opinion. That's why 4% of America is Gay, yet 96% of "family TV" is about gay acceptance it seems.

We get it, people can be gay. That's your prerogative, but don't act like gays are still treated unfairly when they dominate the media, and every time someone "comes out" it's a damn National event.

Hell, I'm sure a certain percent of Americans have Chinese decent, but every time someone says they're part Chinese we don't have a press release. Quit acting like if you're gay you're special. You want fair, fair is that you are no more deserving of attention for your sexuality than anyone else. So quit expecting it.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 09:29 PM
Hey Ronnie and sndawg, u can have an opinion when You have a family. I don't want my girls watching Bubba and Bill doing the big nasty of being exposed to it. We are living the way the bible intended , A man and a woman. How about you being tolerant. The way 96% of America lives.
America was better when Andy and Oppie were on TV, not Jerry springer.

Spot on.

Ronny
04-29-2013, 09:30 PM
Hey Ronnie and sndawg, u can have an opinion when You have a family. I don't want my girls watching Bubba and Bill doing the big nasty of being exposed to it. We are living the way the bible intended , A man and a woman. How about you being tolerant. The way 96% of America lives.
America was better when Andy and Oppie were on TV, not Jerry springer.

I have a family. And I'm sure sndawg does too.

And who marries whom is none of my business. If you think it's your business, then good luck turning the tide of history, because you've got a huge chore on your hands.

If you want to watch TV shows where queers never kiss & get in the bed with each other, then I can provide you 200 links to TV shows that never show that.

Lastly, if you can show me the scripture where Jesus spoke out against homosexuality, then I would appreciate that link.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 09:33 PM
If you really didn't give a shit, you would have just posted "I don't give a shit" or you wouldn't have posted at all. My reading is just fine, thanks.

This is a "discussion" forum, genius.

And great response. I must have made my point.

swdawg
04-29-2013, 09:39 PM
Hey drugdog...you're right...anyone can have an opinion, even those who don't have a family, and anyone else can disagree with your opinion.

If you don't want your girls watching Bubba and Bill doing the big nasty, then you shouldn't let them watch gay porn. Nobody is doing the big nasty on TV. And, in case you didn't know, TVs have on/off switches and little buttons that will make it change channels. There are things called 'parental controls.

You go right on living the way the bible intended, cool. I've got no problem with that - how's that for tolerant. And a big part of that 96% doesn't agree with everything you believe...but yet we all live together. Tolerance.

And I agree, Andy and Opie are way, way better than Jerry Springer.


Hey Ronnie and sndawg, u can have an opinion when You have a family. I don't want my girls watching Bubba and Bill doing the big nasty of being exposed to it. We are living the way the bible intended , A man and a woman. How about you being tolerant. The way 96% of America lives.
America was better when Andy and Oppie were on TV, not Jerry springer.

ScoobaDawg
04-29-2013, 09:39 PM
and to off-topic it goes.

Drugdog
04-29-2013, 09:40 PM
So Ronnie do u take your family to bourbon street and let them be entertained? Do u go to south Jackson and show them prostitutes? Do u let them watch late night Showtime or cruise the net for porn? Probably not. Why then. You should be more tolerant.
Or are you trying to raise your family the right way?? Do u let let gay men baby sit ur kids. Or lesbians? Be tolerant. Oh it's different when it effects you.
What u say now.
Stings when u are proven wrong.

msstate7
04-29-2013, 09:41 PM
I have a family. And I'm sure sndawg does too.

And who marries whom is none of my business. If you think it's your business, then good luck turning the tide of history, because you've got a huge chore on your hands.

If you want to watch TV shows where queers never kiss & get in the bed with each other, then I can provide you 200 links to TV shows that never show that.

Lastly, if you can show me the scripture where Jesus spoke out against homosexuality, then I would appreciate that link.

Jesus never said a word about pedophilia, bestiality, or rape either. Know why? It was understood to be sin and didnt need clarification.

msstate7
04-29-2013, 09:50 PM
and to off-topic it goes.

As always...

Quaoarsking
04-29-2013, 09:54 PM
So Ronnie do u take your family to bourbon street and let them be entertained? Do u go to south Jackson and show them prostitutes? Do u let them watch late night Showtime or cruise the net for porn? Probably not. Why then. You should be more tolerant.
Or are you trying to raise your family the right way?? Do u let let gay men baby sit ur kids. Or lesbians? Be tolerant. Oh it's different when it effects you.
What u say now.
Stings when u are proven wrong.

I would let a gay person babysit my child. Why wouldn't I?

Also, which TV show includes gay/lesbian sex scenes? I literally want you to list a few, since apparently it's a struggle to shield your kids from the gay sex scenes all over your TV. The only one I can think of is a single lesbian scene in Game of Thrones (which isn't appropriate for kids obviously, regardless of the scene), and comes on HBO, which you can only see if you intentionally order and pay for.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 09:55 PM
Jesus never said a word about pedophilia, bestiality, or rape either. Know why? It was understood to be sin and didnt need clarification.

I had to leave in the middle of the debate on SPS, but I thought you were 100% spot on in that discussion.

Gordon Gekko
04-29-2013, 09:55 PM
Soccer came out of the closet today as well

http://www.theonion.com/video/soccer-officially-announces-it-is-gay,17603/

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 09:58 PM
I would let a gay person babysit my child. Why wouldn't I?

Also, which TV show includes gay/lesbian sex scenes? I literally want you to list a few, since apparently it's a struggle to shield your kids from the gay sex scenes all over your TV. The only one I can think of is a single lesbian scene in Game of Thrones (which isn't appropriate for kids obviously, regardless of the scene), and comes on HBO, which you can only see if you intentionally order and pay for.

First of all, I would probably let a gay person babysit...but not a gay couple babysit together.

And as for the gay scenes....Modern Family, The New Normal, Scandal, etc. and that's just ABC I think.

I know you weren't directing it at me, but that's the few parts of your question I can answer. Like I said, if you're gay that's fine, but why do we have to make a spectikal of it?

Quaoarsking
04-29-2013, 09:59 PM
First of all, I would let a gay person babysit...but not a gay couple babysit together.

And as for the gay scenes....Modern Family, The New Normal, Scandal, etc. and that's just ABC I think.

I know you weren't directing it at me, but that's the few parts of your question I can answer. Like I said, if you're gay that's fine, but why do we have to make a spectikal of it?

Never heard of Scandal, but I don't doubt you. Nonetheless, none of those shows have actual gay sex scenes, just gay characters. (Unless Scandal does, but I would be surprised).

msstate7
04-29-2013, 09:59 PM
I had to leave in the middle of the debate on SPS, but I thought you were 100% spot on in that discussion.

Thanks. We make up the minority for sure though

swdawg
04-29-2013, 10:00 PM
Ooooh...you got me there. Great response. I know I shouldn't even respond because you won't stop responding until you say you wouldn't mind if I died, or something like that. Genius.



This is a "discussion" forum, genius.

And great response. I must have made my point.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 10:01 PM
Never heard of Scandal, but I don't doubt you. Nonetheless, none of those shows have actual gay sex scenes, just gay characters. (Unless Scandal does, but I would be surprised).

All 3 have shown gay men kissing. That's a sex scene to me when it comes to kids seeing it. And it's on a standard cable channel. If it was only on Showtime or something I wouldn't have near the issue with it. I just don't want it on my normal channels as "family TV"

msstate7
04-29-2013, 10:01 PM
Soccer came out of the closet today as well

http://www.theonion.com/video/soccer-officially-announces-it-is-gay,17603/

That should get soccer plenty of time on sportscenter

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 10:02 PM
Ooooh...you got me there. Great response. I know I shouldn't even respond because you won't stop responding until you say you wouldn't mind if I died, or something like that. Genius.

Thanks for adding to the discussion. Again.

And thanks for keeping up with my past posts. I hope you enjoy them.

swdawg
04-29-2013, 10:09 PM
You're welcome...I have enjoyed many of them. You just showed something in your posts in this thread that I hadn't seen before from you. It's cool...carry on.


Thanks for adding to the discussion. Again.

And thanks for keeping up with my past posts. I hope you enjoy them.

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 10:11 PM
You're welcome...I have enjoyed many of them. You just showed something in your posts in this thread that I hadn't seen before from you. It's cool...carry on.

It's just my beliefs and how I don't like anyone's sexuality being made a spectikal of. Including heterosexuals. Hope I didn't offend you too much. I don't take anything you say personally or hold it against you....hopefully you feel the same.

ETA: What many think is me taking a stance against gays, is completely not that. My stance is against people trying to gain a spotlight or think they deserve special attention for having a certain sexuality.

I truly don't care if someone is gay or not. I just don't understand why everyone has to act like it's this huge event. If gay people truly want equality, then why is "coming out" supposed to get special attention? That is not equal, it's superior.

swdawg
04-29-2013, 10:13 PM
First of all, I don't want to argue. Just a question. Do you think that showing a man and woman or teenage boy and teenage girl kissing is a sex scene?


All 3 have shown gay men kissing. That's a sex scene to me when it comes to kids seeing it. And it's on a standard cable channel. If it was only on Showtime or something I wouldn't have near the issue with it. I just don't want it on my normal channels as "family TV"

CadaverDawg
04-29-2013, 10:19 PM
First of all, I don't want to argue. Just a question. Do you think that showing a man and woman or teenage boy and teenage girl kissing is a sex scene?

No. Because 96% of America kisses the opposite sex. And in my religion, kissing is supposed to be done between man and woman. So I don't want my kids to see men kissing men.

ETA: And in my opinion...it's the gay community that is making it harder for themselves, not straight people. It's not about being equal to a lot of gay people, it's about being different. If it was about being equal, then there wouldn't be all of these discussions. Because a large majority of straight people dont care if someone is gay. the only people making a spectikal about it is the ones "coming out". why do that?

But again, just my opinion.

Will James
04-29-2013, 10:19 PM
First of all, I don't want to argue. Just a question. Do you think that showing a man and woman or teenage boy and teenage girl kissing is a sex scene?

Depends on the age and context obviously. That's also normal.

swdawg
04-29-2013, 10:35 PM
All the gay people that i know want nothing more than for it to be non-issue as well, they're not looking for a "spectacle". They just want a place in the world alongside everyone else, to be treated the same. But the country, and especially our region is not even close to that, the evidence is all around.

One more thing about the "going too far" post - You obviously thought that you might have gone too far, because you said something about it in your post.

It's all cool...


It's just my beliefs and how I don't like anyone's sexuality being made a spectikal of. Including heterosexuals. Hope I didn't offend you too much. I don't take anything you say personally or hold it against you....hopefully you feel the same.

ETA: What many think is me taking a stance against gays, is completely not that. My stance is against people trying to gain a spotlight or think they deserve special attention for having a certain sexuality.

I truly don't care if someone is gay or not. I just don't understand why everyone has to act like it's this huge event. If gay people truly want equality, then why is "coming out" supposed to get special attention? That is not equal, it's superior.

swdawg
04-29-2013, 10:57 PM
1. What do you think seeing two men kissing is going to do to your children; what negative affect do you see from it?


2. The loudest, most vocal segment of many groups can give the entire group a bad rep. It happens all the time, in lots of ways. There are attention seekers everywhere. I addressed this a bit in my previous post. Some people respond to being told that that they are sick, twisted, evil, as bad as child molesters and "man on dog"(from a US senator). Would you maybe be a little angry and feel a little aggression, an urge to lash out and 'rub it in their face' a bit. Many of the gay people I know wish the gay pride parades would stop, because they make people resist more - and that may be true. But even those people have a right to do what they do. Just like the Westboro Baptist people...I find what they do repulsive, and I want to stop them, but they do have the right to their beliefs and way of doing things as long as they stay within the law.

ETA: Re: being different: There are a lot of ways that people choose to show their difference - bikers, biker posers, goths, piercings, tatoos, weird hair styles. Some gay people are different too, and want to express it.



No. Because 96% of America kisses the opposite sex. And in my religion, kissing is supposed to be done between man and woman. So I don't want my kids to see men kissing men.

ETA: And in my opinion...it's the gay community that is making it harder for themselves, not straight people. It's not about being equal to a lot of gay people, it's about being different. If it was about being equal, then there wouldn't be all of these discussions. Because a large majority of straight people dont care if someone is gay. the only people making a spectikal about it is the ones "coming out". why do that?

But again, just my opinion.

CadaverDawg
04-30-2013, 01:09 AM
1. What do you think seeing two men kissing is going to do to your children; what negative affect do you see from it?


2. The loudest, most vocal segment of many groups can give the entire group a bad rep. It happens all the time, in lots of ways. There are attention seekers everywhere. I addressed this a bit in my previous post. Some people respond to being told that that they are sick, twisted, evil, as bad as child molesters and "man on dog"(from a US senator). Would you maybe be a little angry and feel a little aggression, an urge to lash out and 'rub it in their face' a bit. Many of the gay people I know wish the gay pride parades would stop, because they make people resist more - and that may be true. But even those people have a right to do what they do. Just like the Westboro Baptist people...I find what they do repulsive, and I want to stop them, but they do have the right to their beliefs and way of doing things as long as they stay within the law.

ETA: Re: being different: There are a lot of ways that people choose to show their difference - bikers, biker posers, goths, piercings, tatoos, weird hair styles. Some gay people are different too, and want to express it.

To answer #1...I don't want my kids seeing two men kissing because I don't want them to think that is the way it is supposed to be. My religion believes that a man is meant to be with a woman, and that's the way I feel God made us. Hence Adam and Eve...not Adam and Adam. And hence men's penises and women's ******s. I also believe that nobody is born gay, so I don't want the media or people I don't know influencing my kids into thinking they should turn gay. If they decide to be gay then I want that to be their own choice, but I want them to grow up knowing that it is not supposed to be that way. And I'm not trying to offend anyone by saying that, it's just the way I feel and what I believe in.

I agree with part of what you said thoguh. And that's why I said I have no problem with gay people. Just like I have no problem with people that are tatted up with piercings. But don't get upset when "some people" look at it as strange when they see you. Does that mean everyone does? No. But just like piercings and tats make one stand out bc only a certain percentage have them, the same can be said about flamboyantly gay people. By the way, that was Your comparison, not mine. I'm not trying to compare gay people to tatted people, bc there's a huge lifestyle difference.

And FWIW, I also don't want my kids thinking tats and piercings are the way to go. Much like being gay, if they decide to do it, I want them to make that decision on their own...not because the media forces it on them and makes them feel like "everybody's doing it". And hopefully you feel that way too, even if you're gay.

Please don't think my stance is about anti-gay. I believe it's a sin, but I also believe lying is a sin. And neither is better or worse than the other. And in my faith, I am against the sin, not the sinner. I sin all the time and am not proud of it. And just like I wouldn't want a habitual liar to teach my children that lying is the right thing to do...I feel the same about homosexuality. And just like I wouldn't tell a liar that he couldn't lie, I wouldn't tell a gay person that he can't be gay. That's one's personal choice. But once again, don't get mad at me or feel slated because I choose not to surround myself or my kids with it.

Deep down, I guess that's my biggest issue. It's the fact that I don't care if you're gay or not....just don't expect for the 96% of the country that isn't gay to feel obligated to make your sexuality a big deal. I'm not beating the desk and asking for media attention because I am a Christian, am I? And the 4% of gay people definitely aren't rising up to say they care about my heterosexuality, are they? So why do I need to be told to care about your sexuality?

It's yours, it's personal, so keep it to yourself. I don't go around telling everyone I'm straight.

And you're right, it's the gay pride groups and the anti-gay marriage groups that make both of us look bad. Because I don't care if swdawg is gay, and he doesn't care if I'm not. But ose other two groups have got each of us thinking the other group cares, when it's probably just a small minority.

Does that make sense? So at the end of the day, the people that should be seeing how I feel are not likely on this board, just like the ones you're speaking too aren't here either. My apologies if I offended you. I am just passionate about "true equality", and i dont think the outspoken group of gay people understand what true equality is. And I'm tired of the majority(straight people) being made to feel like we should feel guilty, when the majority of us do not care what people do in their private life, just keep it private and we will too.

It's late and I'm rambling. I'm done here I think.

swdawg
04-30-2013, 01:30 AM
I responded to another post of yours in the thread. I don't know if you saw it or not but here it is.

http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?1222-Jason-Collins-came-out-today&p=8023#post8023

I would like to continue this discussion further, if you're willing - just want ask some other questions and have some other thoughts I'd like to express. I completely understand/respect your religious beliefs. We can use PM or email if you prefer. If you don't want to, I understand.

CadaverDawg
04-30-2013, 01:31 AM
All the gay people that i know want nothing more than for it to be non-issue as well, they're not looking for a "spectacle". They just want a place in the world alongside everyone else, to be treated the same. But the country, and especially our region is not even close to that, the evidence is all around.

One more thing about the "going too far" post - You obviously thought that you might have gone too far, because you said something about it in your post.

It's all cool...

And one other thing...

I really didn't think I had gone too far. And that's part of what I'm talking about. I was expressing my feelings and beliefs, but once again I've been made to feel that I always have to be "politically correct", instead of honest about the way things are portrayed.

Thank goodness there's not somebody to ban me because my opinion and feelings aren't the same as the small minority. Just because straight people are 96% of the country, doesn't me we have to give up our feelings and opinions because the other 4% is screaming. Just like a small percentage of gays are Gay Pride people....a small percentage of straights are the vocal ones against gays. The majority of us don't care and don't want to know what your sexuality is. It's none of my business. Just like my straight friends sex life is none of my business.

CadaverDawg
04-30-2013, 01:35 AM
I responded to another post of yours in the thread. I don't know if you saw it or not but here it is.

http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?1222-Jason-Collins-came-out-today&p=8023#post8023

I would like to continue this discussion further, if you're willing - just want ask some other questions and make other points. I completely understand a respect your religious beliefsWe can use PM if you prefer. If you don't want to I understand.

Yea I saw it. It's all good. I don't want any enemies on this board, bc I consider myself a friendly guy. And I even have a gay cousin and I truly have no problems with gay people. Just the way I am made to feel because I don't want to hear about their sexual preference.

Yea, we can continue the conversation here or direct message, whatever.

swdawg
04-30-2013, 01:40 AM
Thank you...have a good night.


Yea I saw it. It's all good. I don't want any enemies on this board, bc I consider myself a friendly guy. And I even have a gay cousin and I truly have no problems with gay people. Just the way I am made to feel because I don't want to hear about their sexual preference.

Yea, we can continue the conversation here or direct message, whatever.

RTO Dawg
04-30-2013, 06:00 AM
1. Move to Portland Oregon
2. Buy you some PUMPS (size 11)
3. Lip injections
4. get job @ Pink Palace
5. Meet Wolfe Blitzer and Rachel Maddow and talk about how tough it was growing up a girl in a boys body.
6. Jerry Springer
7. play in the NBA




THIS COULD BE YOUR SONS FUTURE....

Esmerelda Villalobos
04-30-2013, 07:57 AM
And people wonder why nobody wants to come out to their parents.

The Croom Diaries
04-30-2013, 08:09 AM
I agree with you Cadaver - just letting you know you aren't alone on this board with your line of thinking on this issue. I'm sure it is the silent majority as well.

FISHDAWG
04-30-2013, 08:45 AM
You guys are about to bring out the goon squad (ennis, king, swdawg, etc)

I laughed

CadaverDawg
04-30-2013, 01:22 PM
I agree with you Cadaver - just letting you know you aren't alone on this board with your line of thinking on this issue. I'm sure it is the silent majority as well.

Thank you. I typically stay silent on issues like this, but I'm tired of the media and society acting like the 96 percentile should have to tip toe around the 4 percentile, when a majority of the larger group doesn't give a shit what ANYONE does in their private life. I don't expect you to tip toe around my feelings, so don't expect me to either...THAT is what EQUALITY is.

fishwater99
04-30-2013, 02:06 PM
Chris Broussard said a few things, that I agree with....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/espn-chris-broussard-clarifies-views-jason-collins-don-221941033.html



"I'm a Christian. I don't agree with homosexuality. I think it's a sin, as I think all sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is. [ESPN's] L.Z. [Granderson] knows that. He and I have played on basketball teams together for several years. We've gone out, had lunch together, we've had good conversations, good laughs together. He knows where I stand and I know where he stands. I don't criticize him, he doesn't criticize me, and call me a bigot, call me ignorant, call me intolerant.

"In talking to some people around the league, there's a lot Christians in the NBA and just because they disagree with that lifestyle, they don't want to be called bigoted and intolerant and things like that. That's what LZ was getting at. Just like I may tolerate someone whose lifestyle I disagree with, he can tolerate my beliefs. He disagrees with my beliefs and my lifestyle but true tolerance and acceptance is being able to handle that as mature adults and not criticize each other and call each other names.

"... Personally, I don't believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly premarital sex between heterosexuals, if you're openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says you know them by their fruits, it says that's a sin. If you're openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality, adultery, fornication, premarital sex between heterosexuals, whatever it may be, I believe that's walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I do not think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian."

CadaverDawg
04-30-2013, 02:18 PM
+1. Nice link, I agree with him.

Hump4Hoops
05-01-2013, 07:24 AM
Chris Broussard said a few things, that I agree with....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/espn-chris-broussard-clarifies-views-jason-collins-don-221941033.html



"I'm a Christian. I don't agree with homosexuality. I think it's a sin, as I think all sex outside of marriage between a man and a woman is. [ESPN's] L.Z. [Granderson] knows that. He and I have played on basketball teams together for several years. We've gone out, had lunch together, we've had good conversations, good laughs together. He knows where I stand and I know where he stands. I don't criticize him, he doesn't criticize me, and call me a bigot, call me ignorant, call me intolerant.

"In talking to some people around the league, there's a lot Christians in the NBA and just because they disagree with that lifestyle, they don't want to be called bigoted and intolerant and things like that. That's what LZ was getting at. Just like I may tolerate someone whose lifestyle I disagree with, he can tolerate my beliefs. He disagrees with my beliefs and my lifestyle but true tolerance and acceptance is being able to handle that as mature adults and not criticize each other and call each other names.

"... Personally, I don't believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly premarital sex between heterosexuals, if you're openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says you know them by their fruits, it says that's a sin. If you're openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality, adultery, fornication, premarital sex between heterosexuals, whatever it may be, I believe that's walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I do not think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian."

This is a really interesting take. The first paragraph is spot on, and what I would hope more christians learn to be - not necessarily accepting, but at least tolerant of others.

The second paragraph is probably very true about the NBA right now - there's probably a ton of guys who aren't on board with the story of the day, but they know better than to speak their mind and have their reps tarnished.

Third paragraph he goes complete 180 and becomes judgmental and preachy. Yawn.

slickdawg
05-01-2013, 10:08 AM
I saw a reader comment on the CNN article on this story:

Dear national media, we appreciate your great efforts to force Americans to accept the homosexual lifestyle. Pedophiles can't wait for you to get behind our cause next!

Hump4Hoops
05-01-2013, 12:51 PM
I saw a reader comment on the CNN article on this story:

Dear national media, we appreciate your great efforts to force Americans to accept the homosexual lifestyle. Pedophiles can't wait for you to get behind our cause next!

Nobody's trying to force acceptance, only tolerance. And the pedophilia/bestiality/whatever comparisons are idiotic and insulting - It's about consenting adults.