State-UNLV game thread

[Coach34]

bigtime underdog...hopefully Ray can make some type of adjustment to keep us in it.

[TheRef]

bigtime underdog...hopefully Ray can make some type of adjustment to keep us in it.

As I stated before, we need to dominate the boards and make sure they don't get any wide-open shots. If we can do that, I think we can win it. Oh...and no mental mistakes like we had last night.

[MetEdDawg]

This would be our 2nd best RPI win up to this point (UNLV is at 125) with Jackson State the best (116). Obviously it's early for RPI and obviously this will change, but it would still be a good win. We've had an insanely easy SOS up to this point (304), but our RPI is 134, which isn't that bad. Need Ware to have a big night on the boards.

A win against UNLV in Las Vegas would start to give me some hope that we could get to 18 or maybe even 19 wins. A win today would put us at 10 with Maryland Eastern Shore giving us 11. With this SEC being so weak, I think the potential is there for us to get 8 conference wins. That might be reaching, but I think outside of UK, Mizzou, and Florida, we can beat any team in the conference.

[Coach34]

We need to remember that Deville cant ****ing shoot- back off to keep him from driving

[chef dixon]

USF up late on Santa Clara. Makes me feel a little better about our game.

[Raytoraid83]

We need to remember that Deville cant ****ing shoot- back off to keep him from driving

Shot 4-6 from three last night and 8-13 overall for 21 points but yes you have to live with him shooting and if he makes it he makes it.

[chef dixon]

We need to remember that Deville cant ****ing shoot- back off to keep him from driving

I realize he went off last night, but he's still their 8th leading scorer. Their beast bringing in 13 boards a game worries me, considering our lack of depth in the post.

[Raytoraid83]

USF up late on Santa Clara. Makes me feel a little better about our game.

And radford beat fgcu. USF was a 4 point favorited btw

[Raytoraid83]

I realize he went off last night, but he's still their 8th leading scorer. Their beast bringing in 13 boards a game worries me, considering our lack of depth in the post.

I'm guessing you are talking about roscoe smith, transfer from UCONN and by far best player. But yes we should be worried about them getting in transition and hitting the boards more than deville.

[chef dixon]

And radford beat fgcu. USF was a 4 point favorited btw

Yea well I said before the FGCU game we could easily win that one. They were like 5-5. Just the fact that the team we beat last night is also beating the team UNLV beat makes me think we can compete. Still think tonight is an up hill battle for sure.

[chef dixon]

As I say that, Santa Clara has come back to take a 1 point lead.

[Coach34]

Shot 4-6 from three last night and 8-13 overall for 21 points but yes you have to live with him shooting and if he makes it he makes it.

he was 23% from 3 going into last night...we certainly have to take our chances with the 3-ball from him

[Coach34]

And radford beat fgcu. USF was a 4 point favorited btw

The mid-major vs major conference gap is essentially gone in college basketball. The last 5 years have seen decent majors win games vs the BCS schools time and again. Those types of losses are nowhere near the stigma they were 10 years ago. It's a new age in college basketball for the majority of schools. The upper tier guys will always be that regardless

[TheRef]

Line is now floating between -8.5 and -9 in favor of UNLV. Opened at -9.5

[Raytoraid83]

The mid-major vs major conference gap is essentially gone in college basketball. The last 5 years have seen decent majors win games vs the BCS schools time and again. Those types of losses are nowhere near the stigma they were 10 years ago. It's a new age in college basketball for the majority of schools. The upper tier guys will always be that regardless

Agreed, but this is coming from the guy bashing Frank Martin for losing to manhattan.

[Coach34]

Agreed, but this is coming from the guy bashing Frank Martin for losing to manhattan.

I'm a hypocrite and I admit it

[TheRef]

MSU Starters: Ready, Bloodman, Sword, Ware, Borchert.

[sleepy dawg]

A win tonight would be HUGE! UNLV is definitly better than their 125 RPI suggests. Their record doesn't look good, but their losses came against 4 good teams (Arizona, Arizona St., Illinois, and UC Santa Barbara). Another win tonight could mean big things for this season...
That said, we'll have to play flawlessly to beat them, unless we're a far better team than I thought.

[Westdawg]

Update?

[Coach34]

Ware is gonna be a beast next year

[TheRef]

16:47 to go in the half with State leading 6-5.

[Coach34]

6-5 us 16:47 left

[chef dixon]

2 easy jams so far

[TheRef]

MSU leading 8-5 under 16 minutes to go.

[Coach34]

8-5 at the under 16 TO- we are attacking the basket hard and look good to start

[chef dixon]

Make it 3 easy jams. Playing well

[Belegal]

Channel 165 on metro cast

[cbrunt29]

Great start.

[WCUdawg88]

Great aggressive defense and smart offense so far.. Good start! good to see!

[cbrunt29]

Gotta make them beat us in the paint. Cant keep giving them easy looks at 3's.

[Coach34]

Jeezus- Deville cant miss

[rcsteph1]

Jeezus- Deville cant miss

That's an understatement

[maroonmania]

Deville Smith 16 - MSU 14 or it at least seems that way.

[chef dixon]

Applewhite is becoming my favorite player. Super hustler

[Thick]

UNLV is on 21-6 run

[CadaverDawg]

I figured that little ****er would go off tonight.

[WCUdawg88]

Man can ya'll imagine our team with Hood, D Smith/Sword, Applewhite, Ware, and Borchert starting five? with I.J. Ready coming off the bench.

[ScoobaDawg]

Watching ray teams are so frustrating knowing it's not going to get better.

[ScoobaDawg]

Man can ya'll imagine our team with Hood, D Smith/Sword, Applewhite, Ware, and Borchert starting five? with I.J. Ready coming off the bench.

Only way that would happen was stans to still be the coach. And it would of been a dumpster fire.

[FlabLoser]

Don't get CBS Sports on Uverse. Crap. But I get NBC Sports. And Fox Sports.

[Coach34]

Watching ray teams are so frustrating knowing it's not going to get better.

I dont understand this- we are all Freshmen and Sophs with 2 big men redshirting. We'll win 20 games next year

[codeDawg]

Ray sure gets a lot of D out of a group of guys that are not very good at playing basketball.

[HoopsDawg]

When Fred plays like this, we don't have a chance against good teams. We get no scoring from the 3 position.

[WCUdawg88]

Watching ray teams are so frustrating knowing it's not going to get better.

Most of this is not on Ray! He is working with what he has. We are playing so much better than this time last season. He has only had one year to recruit so far.

[Coach34]

Man can ya'll imagine our team with D Smith

Deville Smith was kicked out of the program. Had Stands stayed- Deville and Sidney werent. That came from the AD office

[Political Hack]

I can't see them winning 20+ games next year but I could see them get better.

SEC is terrible. that's our only hope right now... that and Newman.

[Coach34]

Ray sure gets a lot of D out of a group of guys that are not very good at playing basketball.

We are good on D but offensively challenged

[Coach34]

I can't see them winning 20+ games next year but I could see them get better.
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They'll win 17 this year- you dont think adding more players and another year of experience can get 3 more wins ?

[cbrunt29]

They ain't missing 3's

[Political Hack]

no. I think we may be better and have a worse record. a lot like us in football this year.

they're blowing us out of the gym right now. this isn't even a ball game.

[HoopsDawg]

They ain't missing 3's

And we are 0 for everything. UNLV has 6 transfers on their team. Ray's got to find some shooters and some transfers.

[CadaverDawg]

Warm up the bus. We'd have better luck at the blackjack table tonight. Hell, UNLV ought to take their team to the casino after the game, the way they are shooting them 3's

[Raytoraid83]

Hope some of y'all took advantage of that UNLV -8

[cbrunt29]

And we are 0 for everything. UNLV has 6 transfers on their team. Ray's got to find some shooters and some transfers.
Completely agree.

[CadaverDawg]

And we are 0 for everything. UNLV has 6 transfers on their team. Ray's got to find some shooters and some transfers.

This^

We are an embarrassing team to watch shoot the ball. I like our D and the hustle...we just need some shooters and some bigs

[Political Hack]

no kidding about them not missing. I know Deville Smith can't shoot that well. Things are just going their way and we're not playing well at all. That spells disaster.

[codeDawg]

They'll win 17 this year- you dont think adding more players and another year of experience can get 3 more wins ?

They are going to need to keep the same weak schedule and pick up some strong pieces to get there. The guys on the court tonight couldn't play with any MSU team I've ever watched. They are certainly better coached, but not very good basketball players. I would love to see what Ray could do with one of our better Stans teams.

[bully99]

When you hear about some of the crap about Deville Smith off the court you just have to shake your head over what stansbury was bringing in there. Smith was rumored to make a 6 on the ACT.

[RC3]

Wow. That escalated quickly. Well the game isn't going to interfere with my beauty sleep afterall. But will say this, if you watch, our team will scrap until the end

[cbrunt29]

no kidding about them not missing. I know Deville Smith can't shoot that well. Things are just going their way and we're not playing well at all. That spells disaster.
That spells a 90-50 blowout.

[Coach34]

no. I think we may be better and have a worse record. a lot like us in football this year.

they're blowing us out of the gym right now. this isn't even a ball game.

I'm not debating this game. But we are playing a team in their home city that would likely finish 3rd-4th in the SEC.

I just see this team as one that is extremely young and no post players after Ware. They are working hard and getting better- but it's a process. Next year, we'll be a year older and actually have some depth in the post.

[Coach34]

T. The guys on the court tonight couldn't play with any MSU team I've ever watched. They are certainly better coached, but not very good basketball players. I would love to see what Ray could do with one of our better Stans teams.

This team looks alot like Stands 2006 team. That team shot:

44% from the field
63% from the FT line
31% from 3

This one shoots:

46% from the field
63% from the line
31% from 3

[Political Hack]

I think we've got a great core, but we've got to add some playmakers and another big at minimum to have a legit chance at winning in the SEC. It won't be this weak next year.

We need some scoters and guys who can defend on the perimeter... a la Zimmerman and Bowers.

UNLV is shooting lights out, but we're giving them wide open looks. they run out of the same set damn near every play. We should be able to stay with them. They shot us out of the 1-3-1 and we still can guard them in man up. We've got a lot of work to do to hang with decent teams... not good teams... decent teams.

[msugolf]

I'm pulling for Ray but this is the part that really worries me. We don't have any true scorers, much less shooters, and we don't seem to be bringing any in next year. Dunlap is an undersized, spot up shooter but he'll have problems creating his own shot at the next level. Houston is more of a rangy athlete and is pretty raw. We need scorers in the worst way.

[Raytoraid83]

This team looks alot like Stands 2006 team. That team shot:

44% from the field
63% from the FT line
31% from 3

This one shoots:

46% from the field
63% from the line
31% from 3

Where you finding the ncaa all time shock blocker, Charles Rhodes, Jamont Gordon, and Barry Stewart, on this roster or incoming class next year?

[HoopsDawg]

Where you finding the ncaa all time shock blocker, Charles Rhodes, Jamont Gordon, and Barry Stewart, on this roster or incoming class next year?

haha, that's what worries me. We need at least one more post scorer and one legit backcourt scorer and we are bringing in none.

[codeDawg]

This team looks alot like Stands 2006 team. That team shot:

44% from the field
63% from the FT line
31% from 3

This one shoots:

46% from the field
63% from the line
31% from 3

Im in sure that's through the year for 2006 and this team has had a very easy start to the year. These guys can't find the bucket when they are alone under it.

In a addition, Ray's defense with those players would be even better than what we are seeing.

We need 2-3 really good players to join these guys that are barely pieces. Just a post guy that can make a 4 footer would make a huge difference. I would take a shooter to accompany him.

[fishwater99]

This^

We are an embarrassing team to watch shoot the ball. I like our D and the hustle...we just need some shooters and some bigs

We have no shooters and no help for Ware.

[HoopsDawg]

Boy, Borchet makes some terrible passes.

[Political Hack]

this is difficult to watch.

[FlabLoser]

OK, I'm glad Uverse doesn't have this channel.

[preachermatt83]

We are awful. We have nobody who can shoot the basketball. That is pretty much a must have. Ray is not recruiting any either. We will not win 17 games this year. We will win 15 or less and be about the same next year.

[cbrunt29]

This is sad.

[HoopsDawg]

We are awful. We have nobody who can shoot the basketball. That is pretty much a must have. Ray is not recruiting any either. We will not win 17 games this year. We will win 15 or less and be about the same next year.

It makes no sense. Every team in the country has a couple of guys that can knock down shots. I would take the 2 guard from Belmont in a heartbeat. We go out and sign a project post player who transferred to IMG. A Craig Sword clone in D. Houston. And then Dunlap who has a ton of questions surrounding his ability to play at this level especially as a 6'0 two guard. What is Ray thinking?

[Political Hack]

at least we're playing defense now. I don't care if we lose at this point so long as they just keep busting ass on defense. that first half was pitiful on D. we look much better now, even though we're sloppy. I still like the intensity and refusal to give up easy points.

[Coach34]

Where you finding the ncaa all time shock blocker, Charles Rhodes, Jamont Gordon, and Barry Stewart, on this roster or incoming class next year?

If you look at stats- Sword and Ware are every bit as good as Gordon and Rhodes

[Coach34]

Im in sure that's through the year for 2006 and this team has had a very easy start to the year. These guys can't find the bucket when they are alone under it. .

Our 2006 OOC was extremely easy also and had losses to SE La and Northwestern State

[Political Hack]

someone should punch Borchet in his Johnson for that move.

[HoopsDawg]

someone should punch Borchet in his Johnson for that move.

what a moron.

[Raytoraid83]

If you look at stats- Sword and Ware are every bit as good as Gordon and Rhodes

Sword has a little bit of jamont in him, not as good of a passer or ball handler but by far our best weapon. Gavin isn't nearly as skilled as Rhodes was but he also has a different body type which could make him as effective. Other than that I don't see how we are gonna get the talent around them to be able to fully utilize those skill sets.

[HoopsDawg]

Sword has a little bit of jamont in him, not as good of a passer or ball handler but by far our best weapon. Gavin isn't nearly as skilled as Rhodes was but he also has a different body type which could make him as effective. Other than that I don't see how we are gonna get the talent around them to be able to fully utilize those skill sets.

Well, Black did average 7 points per game at Wingfield last year, so we've got that going for us.

[Political Hack]

If Sword could make free throws he'd be a complete player on offense. making free throws misnomer of being a strong finisher... he needs to be made to understand that. I wouldn't let him leave the free throw line in the offseason.

[HoopsDawg]

If Sword could make free throws he'd be a complete player on offense. making free throws misnomer of being a strong finisher... he needs to be made to understand that. I wouldn't let him leave the free throw line in the offseason.

It wouldn't do much good. It's like hitting a 1000 balls a day with a bad golf swing. You won't see any improvement.

[Coach34]

Sword has a little bit of jamont in him, not as good of a passer or ball handler but by far our best weapon. Gavin isn't nearly as skilled as Rhodes was but he also has a different body type which could make him as effective. Other than that I don't see how we are gonna get the talent around them to be able to fully utilize those skill sets.

FTF has got to shoot the ball better- hopefully Daniels can knock down some shots also. He should move better than Borchert.

Got to remember Ready and Applewhite are still Freshmen and will get better

[HoopsDawg]

FTF has got to shoot the ball better- hopefully Daniels can knock down some shots also. He should move better than Borchert.

Got to remember Ready and Applewhite are still Freshmen and will get better

Applewhite is not a shooter. He is a redshirt freshmen, not a true freshmen. He plays hard and does some things well, but he is not going to give us points from the crucial 3 spot. Ready, is just so small.

[Political Hack]

holy shit. that's the worst call I've ever seen.

what a croc of shit. piss poor.

[Coach34]

No- but Applewhite should be better at knocking down some 15 foot shots. He missed alot of practice last season with that knee it's not like he practiced all year.

[Political Hack]

It wouldn't do much good. It's like hitting a 1000 balls a day with a bad golf swing. You won't see any improvement.

I'd mKe him shoot left handed if I had to. I'd change his rhythm and his stroke somehow.

[chef dixon]

We've been screwed by that elbow rule numerous times over the last year and a half

[HoopsDawg]

Ready has had 3 shots blocked tonight. He just can't get his shot off. He's only about 5'9 in truth.

[Coach34]

what is up with Davis?

[ChevChelios]

Srsly... these refs are turrible.

[chef dixon]

Announcer just said it. We don't have enough fire power. Still, our only scorer is the one people are on here critiquing. The least of our problems is Sword's shot.

[It_Could_Happen]

I turned the game off not because we were losing. The effort is there. But our free throw shooting is pathetic. There is no excuse for that.

[Coach34]

I turned the game off not because we were losing. The effort is there. But our free throw shooting is pathetic. There is no excuse for that.

We're 8-12???? 67%

[CJDAWG85]

The difference in the game is our inability to hit a 3. They shot lights out in the first half and built a big lead.

[Coach34]

oh well...need to move on and get the next one...10 wins in the OOC is a good job for this team

[HoopsDawg]

We're 8-12???? 67%

hahaha, all the problems we have and we've got Hack and It complaining about free throws. That's fans for you.

[engie]

Borchert has been a total moron tonight. Totally unacceptable bullshit from a senior.

[CJDAWG85]

First 3 with :14 left.

[engie]

Well, that was a shitburger. But I can support MSU teams that have a plan for future success and fight to the end. Just a terrible shooting night for us and a great one for UNLV. Shoot 30% from 3 and it's an entirely different story. Oh well.

Loved the halftime adjustments that we made defensively.

[CrazyEyeKilla]

Yea, Borchert had some stupid mistakes, but, the flagrant foul on Roq was complete bullshit and seemed to turn any momentum we had of making a comeback.

With that rule you can essentially get as close as you want as a defender into the personal space of the offensive player, who cant make an offensive move, and at that point you more than likely will draw the elbow.

[Political Hack]

Yea, Borchert had some stupid mistakes, but, the flagrant foul on Roq was complete bullshit and seemed to turn any momentum we had of making a comeback.

With that rule you can essentially get as close as you want as a defender into the personal space of the offensive player, who cant make an offensive move, and at that point you more than likely will draw the elbow.

agree. there was zero chance we could get back into the game with how tightly it was being called.

[Political Hack]

hahaha, all the problems we have and we've got Hack and It complaining about free throws. That's fans for you.

our most prominent scorer can't finish from the line. that's a problem.

[codeDawg]

Our 2006 OOC was extremely easy also and had losses to SE La and Northwestern State

Dude. You can stop trolling. I'm not attacking Ray, he just needs some real talent to work with. There are two guys that might have put in serious time in the past. He's going to struggle until he can put players out there.