There?s a New SEC WBB King

[SailingDawg]

Vic Schaefer?s Texas team is blowing out South Carolina in the finals of the women?s SEC basketball championship

[PGHBulldogBG]

I’m not surprised. Vic is a fantastic basketball coach. Just another cohen disaster to chalk up

[msstate7]

If we were spending big on WBK, imagine the shape of our other sports

[R2Dawg]

I?m not surprised. Vic is a fantastic basketball coach. Just another cohen disaster to chalk up

Vic one of the best. Fun watching him beat Dawn.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Vic one of the best. Fun watching him beat Dawn.

Oh yea I don’t blame Vic at all for leaving. As much as I love state I probably would’ve too if cohen was my boss

[CaptainObvious]

Texas can afford to spend money on Niche Sports like Men?s and Women?s Basketball. State cannot!

State will always have to focus more funding on our 3 primary sports:

Football, Baseball and Softball

[PGHBulldogBG]

Texas can afford to spend money on Niche Sports like Men?s and Women?s Basketball. State cannot!

State will always have to focus more funding on our 3 primary sports:

Football, Baseball and Softball

Yea I will never tell people how to spend their money but the amount we spend on baseball over basketball just makes me irritated

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Yea I will never tell people how to spend their money but the amount we spend on baseball over basketball just makes me irritated

1) I believe most of our baseball funding comes from former players who wouldn't donate anymore if we used their money on other sports. Our past success is what's fueling the program, that's a good thing!

2) If we threw Baseball out the window and relocated the money to FB and MBB, we would still not come close to competing in either sport. It takes like 25m a year for football and 10m a year in MBB to even have a top 15ish roster, and you're still way out from actually competing for a NC.

I'd rather be the worst team in the conference at 1 sport and win nattys in another vs be below average in everything (if NIL was distributed in a weighted fashion per how "important" a sport is) or be god awful at Baseball and mediocre at FB or Mens BB. And make no mistake about it, we do NOT have the ability to be a top spender in either of those sports. You could take 100% of the NIL we use on baseball, mens/womens basketball, softball etc and put it into FB and I guarantee you we'd be below the SEC average for FB NIL alone. We do not have much NIL overall.

Why some of you people want to sabotage the only sport we are nationally relevant in, I don't know. You'll end up with nothing if you try and compete with LSU in football or Duke in Basketball. I'd rather get mucked for 1 sport and win in another than be irrelevant in everything, but that's just me

[EdwardDrayton]

Vic one of the best. Fun watching him beat Dawn.

^^^^^

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Who the 17 cares?

[KentuckyDawg13]

Why some of you people want to sabotage the only sport we are nationally relevant in, I don't know. You'll end up with nothing if you try and compete with LSU in football or Duke in Basketball. I'd rather get mucked for 1 sport and win in another than be irrelevant in everything, but that's just me

Basketball is better than baseball.

You asked.

[TrapGame]

1) I believe most of our baseball funding comes from former players who wouldn't donate anymore if we used their money on other sports. Our past success is what's fueling the program, that's a good thing!

2) If we threw Baseball out the window and relocated the money to FB and MBB, we would still not come close to competing in either sport. It takes like 25m a year for football and 10m a year in MBB to even have a top 15ish roster, and you're still way out from actually competing for a NC.

I'd rather be the worst team in the conference at 1 sport and win nattys in another vs be below average in everything (if NIL was distributed in a weighted fashion per how "important" a sport is) or be god awful at Baseball and mediocre at FB or Mens BB. And make no mistake about it, we do NOT have the ability to be a top spender in either of those sports. You could take 100% of the NIL we use on baseball, mens/womens basketball, softball etc and put it into FB and I guarantee you we'd be below the SEC average for FB NIL alone. We do not have much NIL overall.

Why some of you people want to sabotage the only sport we are nationally relevant in, I don't know. You'll end up with nothing if you try and compete with LSU in football or Duke in Basketball. I'd rather get mucked for 1 sport and win in another than be irrelevant in everything, but that's just me

The only people watching the college world series are people with teams in it. It's an afterthought. One of the football playoff games dwarfs the viewership of a final game in baseball.

And it's not about winning a NC in football. It's about being relevant. If you can field a top #25 football team every year you are relevant.

[StarkVegasSteve]

1) I believe most of our baseball funding comes from former players who wouldn't donate anymore if we used their money on other sports. Our past success is what's fueling the program, that's a good thing!

2) If we threw Baseball out the window and relocated the money to FB and MBB, we would still not come close to competing in either sport. It takes like 25m a year for football and 10m a year in MBB to even have a top 15ish roster, and you're still way out from actually competing for a NC.

I'd rather be the worst team in the conference at 1 sport and win nattys in another vs be below average in everything (if NIL was distributed in a weighted fashion per how "important" a sport is) or be god awful at Baseball and mediocre at FB or Mens BB. And make no mistake about it, we do NOT have the ability to be a top spender in either of those sports. You could take 100% of the NIL we use on baseball, mens/womens basketball, softball etc and put it into FB and I guarantee you we'd be below the SEC average for FB NIL alone. We do not have much NIL overall.

Why some of you people want to sabotage the only sport we are nationally relevant in, I don't know. You'll end up with nothing if you try and compete with LSU in football or Duke in Basketball. I'd rather get mucked for 1 sport and win in another than be irrelevant in everything, but that's just me

The issue is that some want to be nationally relevant in a non rev sport over being good in a rev sport. That wouldn't be a problem except that when this thing breaks off, no one will give a 17 about baseball. If you're below average to bad at the two sports that are nationally relevant(football and men's basketball) you will be left out. Those weekend series against LSU and Arkansas will be replaced by weekend series with Marshall and GA Southern. You will also have the same caliber athlete as them because any player worth a damn will be going to the big conferences.

It's fine that the former player and some boosters completely fund baseball. That's how it should be. Giving them anything else is foolish though. We have to get football and men's basketball fixed before anything. We're finally at the funding level for football and we've been at it for basketball, but just had a bad year.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

None of you have addressed the core issue of what I said: We do NOT have the money to be relevant in either football or basketball.

All these comments are variations of "football and basketball are more important", and yes they 100% are. If I could have us be good at 1 sport only, I'd pick football. But that's simply not an option financially

[StarkVegasSteve]

None of you have addressed the core issue of what I said: We do NOT have the money to be relevant in either football or basketball.

All these comments are variations of "football and basketball are more important", and yes they 100% are. If I could have us be good at 1 sport only, I'd pick football. But that's simply not an option financially

Oh we have the money. We just have some people that were slower to joining the NIL party than they needed to be. They believed Cohen when he said that NIL was a fad and would go away.

[preachermatt83]

1) I believe most of our baseball funding comes from former players who wouldn't donate anymore if we used their money on other sports. Our past success is what's fueling the program, that's a good thing!

2) If we threw Baseball out the window and relocated the money to FB and MBB, we would still not come close to competing in either sport. It takes like 25m a year for football and 10m a year in MBB to even have a top 15ish roster, and you're still way out from actually competing for a NC.

I'd rather be the worst team in the conference at 1 sport and win nattys in another vs be below average in everything (if NIL was distributed in a weighted fashion per how "important" a sport is) or be god awful at Baseball and mediocre at FB or Mens BB. And make no mistake about it, we do NOT have the ability to be a top spender in either of those sports. You could take 100% of the NIL we use on baseball, mens/womens basketball, softball etc and put it into FB and I guarantee you we'd be below the SEC average for FB NIL alone. We do not have much NIL overall.

Why some of you people want to sabotage the only sport we are nationally relevant in, I don't know. You'll end up with nothing if you try and compete with LSU in football or Duke in Basketball. I'd rather get mucked for 1 sport and win in another than be irrelevant in everything, but that's just me

Rep given. Every single word.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Oh we have the money. We just have some people that were slower to joining the NIL party than they needed to be. They believed Cohen when he said that NIL was a fad and would go away.


It's absolutely insane to say we can compete with top programs on money. The entire athletic department history bears that out: we've often lost players on signing day to LSU etc. why? We didn't have the bagmen they do. We've always had to hire unproven FB coaches (even assistants- remember the Peter Sirmon disaster because we tried to go cheap?). Our season ticket prices are lower than other SEC schools because we don't have the demand to charge more. We've literally lost multiple athletic directors to SEC schools because their higher budgets make it a lot easier to succeed.

We have a small alumni base in one of the poorest states and our majors are relatively unlikely to cause grads to reach "rich" incomes (like law or pharmacy does). On what planet could we have as much money as OM (same state, but produce better degrees for future donations and has always spent more than our athletic department) let alone LSU, TX etc?

I'm not even saying we're "poor" overall, just that we are relative to the top schools in the sports we want to compete in.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It's absolutely insane to say we can compete with top programs on money. The entire athletic department history bears that out: we've often lost players on signing day to LSU etc. why? We didn't have the bagmen they do. We've always had to hire unproven FB coaches (even assistants- remember the Peter Sirmon disaster because we tried to go cheap?). Our season ticket prices are lower than other SEC schools because we don't have the demand to charge more. We've literally lost multiple athletic directors to SEC schools because their higher budgets make it a lot easier to succeed.

We have a small alumni base in one of the poorest states and our majors are relatively unlikely to cause grads to reach "rich" incomes (like law or pharmacy does). On what planet could we have as much money as OM (same state, but produce better degrees for future donations and has always spent more than our athletic department) let alone LSU, TX etc?

I'm not even saying we're "poor" overall, just that we are relative to the top schools in the sports we want to compete in.


There's that Larry Templeton line I've been waiting for!!!

Just off the top of my head we have as alumni: Chip Crane(CEO of FL Crane), Ty Crane(President of FL Crane), Steven Warren(just sold Warren Paving for $700 million), The Howard family(Howard Industries), Tommy Nusz(Chairman and CEO of Oasis Petroleum and has given the athletic dept $20 million in the last 5 years), Richard Adkerson(Chairman of the Board Freeport-McMoran and has given the athletic dept close to $50 million in the last 10 years), George Bishop(CEO of GeoSouthern Energy and worth north of 4 billion), Heath Jenkins(sold his manufactured homes company for over $300 million back in 2023), Harris Brumfield(former CEO of Trading Technologies and worth well north of $100 million)

These are just the names off the top of my head. There's tons more and I probably forgot some big ones. We for so long have believed that tired ass lie that Larry Templeton tried to sell that we were poor and people were mailing him the couch cushion money for donations. Selmon is once and for all ridding us of that lame ass fallacy that was sold for decades. We have doctors and lawyers just like Ole Miss. Hell a majority of the doctors coming out of UMMC are Mississippi State undergrads!! Now, are we ever going to be Texas or A&M or Tech or SMU and have all this oil money? Probably not unless I strike oil out here and trust me, every one of you will know if I do. But we can compete with anyone else. It just takes buy in.

[State82]

SVS speaketh the truth

[The Federalist Engineer]

Vic Shaffer salary is 2.3M

Sam Purcell salary is 0.7M

I'm never watching a Basketball game, much less a women's game. I would not be ok with taking 1.6M from Football or Baseball to keep Schaeffer. I am not even ok with paying a WBB coach 700K. That does not smell like a market rate, seems like a kickback scheme by Athletic Departments and AD agents. The company to hit with a Cruise Missile for probable ties to Hezbollah is "Parker Executive Search". I'm ok with no smoking gun on ties to Teheran, this is just good use of military strength.

[The Federalist Engineer]

SVS

I never like the Templeton doctrine of designed futility. Sold our Football home games to Jackson, Orlando, and Birmingham. He was the Polk-2 architect that nearly euthanized the baseball program. There is much truth in what you say.

That said, the Top-Donors have focus sports they love. Oklahoma has huge meat head and Walmart following. They only spend 300k on their WWB coach and hired their previous coach Cheri Coale directly from Norman High School. I think the OU coach does pull 1M but 70% is a specific donor pool of fans.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

State going all in on baseball is like Iowa going all in on wrestling.

They would be proud of their championships, but no one else would even know about them.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

There's that Larry Templeton line I've been waiting for!!!

Just off the top of my head we have as alumni: Chip Crane(CEO of FL Crane), Ty Crane(President of FL Crane), Steven Warren(just sold Warren Paving for $700 million), The Howard family(Howard Industries), Tommy Nusz(Chairman and CEO of Oasis Petroleum and has given the athletic dept $20 million in the last 5 years), Richard Adkerson(Chairman of the Board Freeport-McMoran and has given the athletic dept close to $50 million in the last 10 years), George Bishop(CEO of GeoSouthern Energy and worth north of 4 billion), Heath Jenkins(sold his manufactured homes company for over $300 million back in 2023), Harris Brumfield(former CEO of Trading Technologies and worth well north of $100 million)

These are just the names off the top of my head. There's tons more and I probably forgot some big ones. We for so long have believed that tired ass lie that Larry Templeton tried to sell that we were poor and people were mailing him the couch cushion money for donations. Selmon is once and for all ridding us of that lame ass fallacy that was sold for decades. We have doctors and lawyers just like Ole Miss. Hell a majority of the doctors coming out of UMMC are Mississippi State undergrads!! Now, are we ever going to be Texas or A&M or Tech or SMU and have all this oil money? Probably not unless I strike oil out here and trust me, every one of you will know if I do. But we can compete with anyone else. It just takes buy in.

Literally everyone has SOME rich Alumni. Hell, USM has one worth $4.9B- more than every State alum you mentioned combined. Do you think USM can compete for NCs in football and basketball? Why not if having rich alumni is all it takes? The answer is obvious; USM can't compete because said rich booster hasn't actually dropped crap tons of money on coaching salaries and NIL. If he set up a trust that sustainably allocated $40m a year to the athletic department and another $30m to FB and MBB NIL, that would change things for them.

Yes, if we could get our rich alumni to donate a significantly larger % of their net worth to our NIL than the boosters of UGA or OSU do, we'd be able to compete with them. This is also what fans of South Carolina, USF, VT, ASU, ISU, Arkansas and others say to give themselves hope. It is also the wet dream of every AD, and what they try hard to make happen every time they shake hands with one of those potentially gamechanging boosters.

At the end of the day, for all that potential and effort, there are next to no examples of a "nobody" actually pulling it off. Clemson I guess? They ain't exactly been too hot since NIL got cranked up. Indiana? Mark Cuban decided to boost them. But both those programs also nailed the HC hire preceding their rise, so we're short in that regard too. But that's another matter.

So yeah if you can convince any 1 booster to donate $100+ million we can compete, but without that? We're being drastically out funded by a lot of programs. That is our current reality. Cutting off baseball won't change that

[StarkVegasSteve]

Literally everyone has SOME rich Alumni. Hell, USM has one worth $4.9B- more than every State alum you mentioned combined. Do you think USM can compete for NCs in football and basketball? Why not if having rich alumni is all it takes? The answer is obvious; USM can't compete because said rich booster hasn't actually dropped crap tons of money on coaching salaries and NIL. If he set up a trust that sustainably allocated $40m a year to the athletic department and another $30m to FB and MBB NIL, that would change things for them.

Yes, if we could get our rich alumni to donate a significantly larger % of their net worth to our NIL than the boosters of UGA or OSU do, we'd be able to compete with them. This is also what fans of South Carolina, USF, VT, ASU, ISU, Arkansas and others say to give themselves hope. It is also the wet dream of every AD, and what they try hard to make happen every time they shake hands with one of those potentially gamechanging boosters.

At the end of the day, for all that potential and effort, there are next to no examples of a "nobody" actually pulling it off. Clemson I guess? They ain't exactly been too hot since NIL got cranked up. Indiana? Mark Cuban decided to boost them. But both those programs also nailed the HC hire preceding their rise, so we're short in that regard too. But that's another matter.

So yeah if you can convince any 1 booster to donate $100+ million we can compete, but without that? We're being drastically out funded by a lot of programs. That is our current reality. Cutting off baseball won't change that

We're working on that.

Also, no one is saying cut off baseball. We are just saying let the former players and the folks who care more about The Baseball Grove than the results fund the program. It's not a bad thing. They can fund it. They funded O'Conner's salary