Fans are part, major part of the problem

[BlackSailsDawg]

Not just our fans. Most fans. But we are on a State message board so lets just use this mb for the example. First is the issue.

- The system is broken.

- NIL is part of the problem. It's not a "fair" system. There are no caps and ultimately somebody is not going to be able to keep up. It's a problem with fans.


- The portal is forcing a system of 1 and done unless you have the money to retain. You can not build a team. It gets raided every year. You simply have to purchase a new team every year.

- Players are going to continue to sue to be able to be college players as long as they want. You are seeing it now in more ways than one. You have judge shopping to get a TRO. You have teams getting pro players to come in.

- and it's all in the name of winning.


That's where the fans come in. We see it here. Lebby was dogged out and demands of him being fired was extremely loud. Why? He did not win as much in year 2 as some thought he should. It did not matter that we had a talent issue. What mattered is the fact that we have some NIL and did not win because it's his job to "bring in winning talent". Because NIL and the Portal has moved us to a 1 and done type system, fans think that NIL is a cure all and it can be fixed in a NIL class. So we get loud and demand change. "NO REASON FOR IT TAKING TIME IN A NIL WORLD!!!" regardless of facts.


And there is the problem. We put coaches (not just State fans) on hot seats because of our desire to win no matter the cost. Not cost in the sense of just money, but in actions. We don't care what it takes just do it. Frick the fall out and ramifications. It's what has gotten us to this point. And we will continue to make it worse. But at what cost to the game and to the HS students.

Prior to the Portal and NIL, teams would sign roughly 25 HS players who trained and developed over the years. It's now estimated that teams have reduced that number by 40%. Since 2021, data shows approximately 400 fewer high school players sign FBS scholarships annually compared to previous cycles. For every 1 high school recruit a coach evaluates, they now have roughly 7?8 veteran college players available in the portal as alternatives.

Pre-Portal: 3-star recruits made up the "meat" of P4 rosters (roughly 60?70% of a class).

Post-Portal: P4 schools are taking roughly 20?30% fewer 3-star high schoolers, opting instead for 3-star transfers who have already played 2+ years of college ball. These "squeezed out" high schoolers are now signing with G5 (Group of 5) or FCS schools.


That trend trickles down. Those G5 and FCS players out of HS are now displaced too.


Here we are. We helped build this system. We continue to demand changes that results in less attractive college sports. Just today (and once again, it is not just States fans) here, we are calling for Jans' job. After all, it's his job to bring in tha talent. Right. Doesn't matter that most teams are going to out spend us. It doesn't matter. What matters is the win at all cost and just do it even though it's not feasible. We spend all of our time here demanding State step up even though it's not our money. Be honest. You know it's true. We want to win and the money people just need to step the frick up before we all get pissed and create a mob and burn it down. "we aren't a serious program because".. well because money people are not doing with their money what we want them to do. Again, you know it's true. So fire the coach.....

Things are not going to change until we stop the attitude of winning at all cost and start demanding the rules to change, we will never get a viable system.


I 100% agree with Ark coach Cal. Coaches are on hot seats from day 1 and it's hard to blame them for pulling in Pro players because fans want to WIN NOW. He also stated it screws HS students. That's 1 less spot. He stated until the rules change, coaches will be forced to do what they have too. You think Golding is going to get in trouble with the NCAA? No, he won't. You think LSU could not go out right now and spend another 45 million if they needed to?

I want to win as much as anybody. This system really pisses me off. It's not sustainable. As much as I want to win, I'm not going to be over the top "fire everybody" because we did not get every player we wanted. Because we are not going to out spend everybody. That's not a coaching issue. That's a system issue. It's going to get worse because money will 100% keep increasing until the creams of the money crops rise to the top and THOSE will be your new bigs that will be able to load the rosters.

[BuckyIsAB****]

State folks are pissed and deservedly so because our administration has done nothing but flop after flop with athletics. O?Conner better be the greatest coach in the history of the school because everything else going back to about the year or so stretch where Keenum wouldn?t even hire an AD has been a disaster. Ole miss winning and having success in this system because they are the lowest classless form of life on the planet doesn?t help

[Coursesuper]

State folks are pissed and deservedly so because our administration has done nothing but flop after flop with athletics. O?Conner better be the greatest coach in the history of the school because everything else going back to about the year or so stretch where Keenum wouldn?t even hire an AD has been a disaster. Ole miss winning and having success in this system because they are the lowest classless form of life on the planet doesn?t help

You’re as credible as the poetry in a Porto Potty. Picking the low hanging fruit, Bullshit takes and vitriol. Damn it must be a pathetic existence.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You’re as credible as the poetry in a Porto Potty. Picking the low hanging fruit, Bullshit takes and vitriol. Damn it must be a pathetic existence.
Ok. So show me where any of that is wrong

[BlackSailsDawg]

State folks are pissed and deservedly so because our administration has done nothing but flop after flop with athletics. O?Conner better be the greatest coach in the history of the school because everything else going back to about the year or so stretch where Keenum wouldn?t even hire an AD has been a disaster. Ole miss winning and having success in this system because they are the lowest classless form of life on the planet doesn?t help

Then I suggest you win the lottery and donate it all to State for sports. This isn't the same system you are even talking about. But you have no right to be pissed when it's not your money that you are demanding to be given. And that's the truth. We all know it.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Then I suggest you win the lottery and donate it all to State for sports. This isn't the same system you are even talking about. But you have no right to be pissed when it's not your money that you are demanding to be given. And that's the truth. We all know it.

Oh no, state has plenty of my money. Regardless, i do think that maybe the best point you?ve made. The care should be a lot less

[BuckyIsAB****]

Then I suggest you win the lottery and donate it all to State for sports. This isn't the same system you are even talking about. But you have no right to be pissed when it's not your money that you are demanding to be given. And that's the truth. We all know it.

But just to stir the pot, if Jimmy down at the oil change place donates 200 dollars a month, that means his bitching is more valid? Even though he has as much control over who gets it and where it goes as Bob the roughneck who doesn?t donate a dime? They?re probably both sick and tired of the way it is and sad that something they loved is dead on the vine and people spitting on it more day by day

[Tough Dawg]

We have the donors. We have the money to compete. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

[Coursesuper]

Ok. So show me where any of that is wrong

You conveniently leave out who actually pulls strings everywhere. All administration is run by boosters and or money. That’s where the problems are and always have been. Admins don’t hire and fire or make any major decisions in a vacuum. Then again you should know that shouldn’t you. Carry on.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Ok. So show me where any of that is wrong

I can do that for him.




State folks are pissed and deservedly so because our administration has done nothing but flop after flop with athletics.

No we are pissed at not winning and in this world, it has more to do with money than anything else.


O?Conner better be the greatest coach in the history of the school because everything else going back to about the year or so stretch where Keenum wouldn?t even hire an AD has been a disaster.

That was a different system than we have now. It was at the beginning of it before it exploded and it all required massive money.


Ole miss winning and having success in this system because they are the lowest classless form of life on the planet doesn?t help

You are not listening. You want to bitch about something that's not in our control instead. As time goes, remember this conversation. Like i said, it will not be long until teams are spending well north of 100 million per year. And demanding that boosters with money keep up with that is foolish. It's not your money to demand. Now if they have it and want to, cool. But going after a staff and blaming them for not buying a team that they DON'T have money for is pure ignorance.

What should be happening is a collective effort by fan bases to demand it change. What should be happening is that all of the universities ban together and sue for some sort of normalcy.

[BuckyIsAB****]

You conveniently leave out who actually pulls strings everywhere. All administration is run by boosters and or money. That’s where the problems are and always have been. Admins don’t hire and fire or make any major decisions in a vacuum. Then again you should know that shouldn’t you. Carry on.

Ok sorry, let me edit it to make you happy. Our admins don?t have the balls to stand up to our boosters who have made one flop after another happen. The difference in these magical boosters and admins is this, the boosters name ain?t on anything. Keenums is. You should know that shouldn?t you

[BlackSailsDawg]

But just to stir the pot, if Jimmy down at the oil change place donates 200 dollars a month, that means his bitching is more valid? Even though he has as much control over who gets it and where it goes as Bob the roughneck who doesn?t donate a dime? They?re probably both sick and tired of the way it is and sad that something they loved is dead on the vine and people spitting on it more day by day

I think bitching is great. I think it's misplaced.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I can do that for him.





No we are pissed at not winning and in this world, it has more to do with money than anything else.



That was a different system than we have now. It was at the beginning of it before it exploded and it all required massive money.



You are not listening. You want to bitch about something that's not in our control instead. As time goes, remember this conversation. Like i said, it will not be long until teams are spending well north of 100 million per year. And demanding that boosters with money keep up with that is foolish. It's not your money to demand. Now if they have it and want to, cool. But going after a staff and blaming them for not buying a team that they DON'T have money for is pure ignorance.

What should be happening is a collective effort by fan bases to demand it change. What should be happening is that all of the universities ban together and sue for some sort of normalcy.

I agree with the bottom part of that. And that?s why our stadium is full of whatever color we are playing on the east side. But to completely absolve a staff, after the way ours has performed is just as ignorant as pissing in the wind. You can?t have it both ways. We have many so called credible posters here saying we have money, so if we have enough why are we 1-15? Why do we have 4 losses in 2 years that are so much of a joke they belong on a blooper reel?

[BuckyIsAB****]

I think bitching is great. I think it's misplaced.

So they should bitch to these magical boosters we have that live in Mordor? Or get on twitter and tag the NCAA? Where should the bitchimg be placed?

[BuckyIsAB****]

But for the record here, I do think you have hit this nail on the head

[BlackSailsDawg]

We have the donors. We have the money to compete. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

We do have some money. We do not have enough to keep up with even Ole Miss. Vandy is going to out spend us. LSU spent over 2 times the amount we had this year. OSU HC went to a meeting and told them he will need over 50 million for this portal. Franklin demanded 35 million to even be considered for his services as a HC.

In 2021, Est NIL money spent in total... 917 Million. This year, 2.55 BILLION. It's projected that 15-20 programs will pass the 100 Million mark within 5 years. The others will end up capping out between 35-45 million.

Unless something is done, it's not sustainable.

[BlackSailsDawg]

So they should bitch to these magical boosters we have that live in Mordor? Or get on twitter and tag the NCAA? Where should the bitchimg be placed?

It should be placed at the presidents, congressmen, NCAA. It's not your money to bitch at a boost for not trying to keep up with the "jones". I'm beginning to think you are not on the same subject. You seem to think this is about our president and AD for hiring Arnett as HC and that's why we are here. This is not that subject this is about fans demanding winning at any cost to the detriment of college sports.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I agree with the bottom part of that. And that?s why our stadium is full of whatever color we are playing on the east side. But to completely absolve a staff, after the way ours has performed is just as ignorant as pissing in the wind. You can?t have it both ways. We have many so called credible posters here saying we have money, so if we have enough why are we 1-15? Why do we have 4 losses in 2 years that are so much of a joke they belong on a blooper reel?

We do have some money. But ANYBODY saying we have the same money right now as say LSU or even Ole Miss is wrong. Yes. We got the money together to challenge for Seaton. That is 1 player. That same money is NOT there for 22 to 35 players. That's the point of this.

[Coursesuper]

Ok sorry, let me edit it to make you happy. Our admins don?t have the balls to stand up to our boosters who have made one flop after another happen. The difference in these magical boosters and admins is this, the boosters name ain?t on anything. Keenums is. You should know that shouldn?t you

You really are just a dumbass football coach. If that’s as deeply as you can comprehend it certainly fits. Life is so exactly black and white. What a simplistic life you must lead. One day when you grow up it might hit you that things run a little deeper than you realize. Until then keep on thinking with your dick and not your brain. It seems to be working so well for you.

[Pancho]

i think courseuper nailed it

[BuckyIsAB****]

You really are just a dumbass football coach. If that’s as deeply as you can comprehend it certainly fits. Life is so exactly black and white. What a simplistic life you must lead. One day when you grow up it might hit you that things run a little deeper than you realize. Until then keep on thinking with your dick and not your brain. It seems to be working so well for you.

Im pretty stupid to argue and spend time on here that?s for sure. But then again, you?re so much better than me apparently and we are on the same board. Both paid the same amount to post. You?re elite and know more though not me

[EdwardDrayton]

State folks are pissed and deservedly so because our administration has done nothing but flop after flop with athletics. O?Conner better be the greatest coach in the history of the school because everything else going back to about the year or so stretch where Keenum wouldn?t even hire an AD has been a disaster. Ole miss winning and having success in this system because they are the lowest classless form of life on the planet doesn?t help

Most State folks have boat-raced past 'pissed' and have skidded to a dead stop at Apathy Road.

[Pancho]

Im pretty stupid to argue and spend time on here that?s for sure. But then again, you?re so much better than me apparently and we are on the same board. Both paid the same amount to post. You?re elite and know more though not me

We all love to comment and donate our cash etc. we don't appreciate a total ass who runneth over at the deep mouth

[Coursesuper]

Im pretty stupid to argue and spend time on here that?s for sure. But then again, you?re so much better than me apparently and we are on the same board. Both paid the same amount to post. You?re elite and know more though not me

You are consistent, simple, but consistent. Ha.

[Thick]

No?..he?s a BITCH! Prove me wrong!!!

[Todd4State]

Ok sorry, let me edit it to make you happy. Our admins don?t have the balls to stand up to our boosters who have made one flop after another happen. The difference in these magical boosters and admins is this, the boosters name ain?t on anything. Keenums is. You should know that shouldn?t you

To me the biggest difference between MSU and Ole Miss boosters is MSU boosters have historically focused much more on the coaches and making sure they have coaches in place that give them access whereas Ole Miss has always focused on the getting better players.

Now, maybe that is changing but running a SEC team like a local high school team has consequences.

[Cowbeller]

Blaming the fans is misplaced. Now I do agree we have the most feel sorry for me culture as fans which drives me insane.

The problem was created by the big time football schools starting an arms race and letting the little guys (Texas Tech, etc) figure out they could do it too. Then this bled to all sports

If I’m the president of the NCAA I have a weekly meeting with Goodell and NFLPA to figure out a way to set that system up collegiately. If the NCAA doesn’t do it then why do we even abide by there rules, branch off