The Jeff Lebby OC Impact

[Tater]

2019 UCF - OC - 10-3
2020 OM - OC - 5-5; UCF went 6-4 and then HC Josh Heupel left for Tennessee
2021 OM - OC - 10-3
2022 OU - OC - 6-7; OM went 8-5 (most people blame Lane Kiffin job shopping as the reason for the fall-off from 7-0 but let's just let facts stand alone)
2023 OU - OC - 10-3; OM went 11-2
2024 State HC - 2-10; OU went 6-7; OM went 10-3
2025 State HC - 5-8; OU went 10-3 with playoff appearance; OM is 13-1 and a top 4 finisher


The year after Lebby leaves is a dip getting his stink off. Then the next season - those schools reach a height unseen in Lebby's tenure. Has he actually done anything noteworthy in his time or has he just been attached to the right people (Heupel, Venables, Kiffin have all made the playoffs WITHOUT him and none would have made the playoffs with him except Kiffin in 2021 as the 8 seed.)

[Coach34]

Shows me that him leaving makes teams worse

[Quaoarsking]

Were UCF, Ole Miss, or Oklahoma fans sad to see him leave? Do they wish they could have him back?

[Pancho]

Ole Miss had him pegged to replace Kiffin the year Lane was going to Auburn.............

[BlackSailsDawg]

Shows me that him leaving makes teams worse

It's unreal what some people type...............

[BlackSailsDawg]

Were UCF, Ole Miss, or Oklahoma fans sad to see him leave? Do they wish they could have him back?

OU fans are. The ones I know I should have said. They liked his offense.

[Quaoarsking]

OU fans are. The ones I know I should have said. They liked his offense.

I don't think this is the general opinion. For example, see the Oklahoma fans on this Reddit thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/184nfsp/officially_official_jeff_lebby_is_the_new_head/

[Tater]

OU fans are. The ones I know I should have said. They liked his offense.

Dude you really said this on a thread I created. Look at my profile picture. OU fans were ECSTATIC to see him leave. He was on the precipice of being fired and Selmon gave him a lifeline.

I was banned for a year when he was hired partly because of my melt about us hiring a guy that OU didn't even want to be OC. Stop talking out of your ass and sunshine pumping for no reason.

[Pancho]

keep speaking the truth Tater

[msstate7]

keep speaking the truth Tater

He has 2 P4 wins in 2 seasons. He's like the Tom Brady of college football coaches to you clowns

[Goldendawg]

Shows me that him leaving makes teams worse

What's your view of the "game" last night? You were awfully quiet on the game thread.

[Tater]

Shows me that him leaving makes teams worse

Yet by year 2 it's reversed. Also I don't know if it's that accurate to say 2024 OU was totally worse than 2023 OU given the B12 to SEC schedule difference. But it's clear that 2025 OU > 2023 OU; 2023 OM > 2021 OM. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's something. But Kiffin, Heupel, and Vegetables all achieved higher success without him than with him. You have to question if Lebby was holding them back.

[Pancho]

He has 2 P4 wins in 2 seasons. He's like the Tom Brady of college football coaches to you clowns

yea, some are sure clowns

[msstate7]

yea, some are sure clowns

I mean you're hitching your wagon to a guy that got punked by a depleted WF team.

[Quaoarsking]

What's your view of the "game" last night? You were awfully quiet on the game thread.

He started his own thread to bash Kamario Taylor the whole time, say that he would have told to Shapen to quit the team too if he was his son, and then credited Lebby whenever Taylor did something good.

[msstate7]

He started his own thread to bash Kamario Taylor the whole time, say that he would have told to Shapen to quit the team too if he was his son, and then credited Lebby whenever Taylor did something good.

Has to blame it on someone but who is in charge. It's all KT's fault while ignoring who started KT

[Pancho]

I mean you're hitching your wagon to a guy that got punked by a depleted WF team.

I'm not hitched to sh*t. only here for the comedy

[msstate7]

I'm not hitched to sh*t. only here for the comedy

We certainly are a laughing stock under Lebby

[Tater]

I mean you're hitching your wagon to a guy that got punked by a depleted WF team.

7, you might be drunk - I dunno if Pancho has supported lebby today and definitely isn't one who is chest thumping. If anyone - he's cheerleading drunk me like the devil on my shoulder. Which I vibe with honestly.

I'm not as destructively angry as I used to be. It's way better to creatively try to make a spectacle of how dumbass I can say things that we are all feeling.

[Goldendawg]

Dude you really said this on a thread I created. Look at my profile picture. OU fans were ECSTATIC to see him leave. He was on the precipice of being fired and Selmon gave him a lifeline.

I was banned for a year when he was hired partly because of my melt about us hiring a guy that OU didn't even want to be OC. Stop talking out of your ass and sunshine pumping for no reason.

Not because it was him, but I hated the hire as I am sick of our "powers to be" going the OC route to hire for HC in my MSU fan/supporter/alum lifetime. Check our losing history in doing this... Eight OC's and 6 losers (I include JoMo in these six). Only Tyler and Mullen were winners. Lebby has shown nothing that he can be a successful HC for us and is headed toward the loser crowd bigtime. 7-18 and worse than that, 1 and 15 in the SEC, with that last-minute "signature win" over Arkansas. History shows that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is insanity. MSU football HC hiring is insane in my lifetime.

[Coach34]

What's your view of the "game" last night? You were awfully quiet on the game thread.

Age and experience has taught me to try to avoid game threads as much as possible

29 points...over 400 yards with a shitty OL and a true freshman at QB. I thinks thats impressive.

Anybody that was surprised we would be bad on defense last night hasnt watched us play or is not very intelligent.

[Coach34]

Not because it was him, but I hated the hire as I am sick of our "powers to be" going the OC route to hire for HC in my MSU fan/supporter/alum lifetime. Check our losing history in doing this... Eight OC's and 6 losers (I include JoMo in these six). Only Tyler and Mullen were winners. Lebby has shown nothing that he can be a successful HC for us and is headed toward the loser crowd bigtime. 7-18 and worse than that, 1 and 15 in the SEC, with that last-minute "signature win" over Arkansas. History shows that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is insanity. MSU football HC hiring is insane in my lifetime.

It's hard to convince a sitting HC to take our job. It's not that we have some affinity for OC's

[BlackSailsDawg]

Dude you really said this on a thread I created. Look at my profile picture. OU fans were ECSTATIC to see him leave. He was on the precipice of being fired and Selmon gave him a lifeline.

I was banned for a year when he was hired partly because of my melt about us hiring a guy that OU didn't even want to be OC. Stop talking out of your ass and sunshine pumping for no reason.

Well... you know.. I can only speak to those I know and what I read. Even chatgpt and grok confirm that OU fans liked him and his system.

Here is Chatgpt:

One-Line Summary

OU fans miss Lebby because the offense was fast, explosive, QB-friendly, and felt modern


In 2023, OU ranked 4th nationally in total offense (507 yards/game)... yes the fans were LIVID over that! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is more:

After Lebby Left (2024–2025)

Nostalgia and Regret: OU's offense declined sharply post-Lebby (e.g., lower scoring in SEC play). By late 2025, many fans missed his explosiveness, with posts like "Can we have Lebby back?" or "Making me miss Lebby." Struggles under successors highlighted his strengths in yards and points.

Here is Grok addressing your "he was being fired":

3. Venables Was Not Pushing Him Out

Key point:

Venables trusted Lebby

The offense was seen as necessary during a defensive rebuild

No credible reporting indicated Venables was preparing to fire him

OU did not:

Force him out

Demand a resignation

Signal an upcoming dismissal

[Tater]

Age and experience has taught me to try to avoid game threads as much as possible

29 points...over 400 yards with a shitty OL. I thinks thats impressive.

Anybody that was surprised we would be bad on defense last night hasnt watched us play or is not very intelligent.

Do you think people are mad about the offensive coaching or the head coaching?

Lebby is about a 1.0 WAR Offensive Mind. He's about a -5.0 WAR Head coach.

[Dawgology]

It's hard to convince a sitting HC to take our job. It's not that we have some affinity for OC's

No. It’s hard to get a sitting P4 coach to agree to come coach at State. It’s, in fact, reality straight forward getting a G5 or lower level coach with great success to come here. With that said, it doesn’t matter, when the super conference is formed in about 5 years we will be relegated to G5 anyway. Then we can show off our baseball stadium to the Kennesaw States of the world.

[Quaoarsking]

The same guy who posted this:

Did you just say that SOCIAL MEDIA... LMAO! WOW.... Dude. No words.

Socail media now =s real life.......................

Asked ChatGPT to create an argument for him and pasted the result here 15 minutes later.

[Tater]

You asked ChatGPT. - Shows me you're a ****ing idiot.

I'm telling you as someone well connected with boosters at OU - he was going to be fired. We gave him a lifeline. Selmon saved OU some buyout money.

If you don't believe me - that's on you. I have long posted that I'm well connected within OU circles - way moreso than I am in State circles actually.

You are literally acting like a first year comp sci engineer trying to correct me on how Python works when I'm the one who wrote Python. That's the equivalent of your stupidity.

[Goldendawg]

We certainly are a laughing stock under Lebby

No one has feared playing us over the last three years, even OOC foes. Everyone looks at their schedule and pencils us in as a "W".

[BlackSailsDawg]

The same guy who posted this:


Asked ChatGPT to create an argument for him and pasted the result here 15 minutes later.

Yep the same guy laughing his ass off at our GLORIOUS SPOX who thinks he is on a mission from God used the language you like.

[BlackSailsDawg]

You asked ChatGPT. - Shows me you're a ****ing idiot.

I'm telling you as someone well connected with boosters at OU - he was going to be fired. We gave him a lifeline. Selmon saved OU some buyout money.

If you don't believe me - that's on you. I have long posted that I'm well connected within OU circles - way moreso than I am in State circles actually.

You are literally acting like a first year comp sci engineer trying to correct me on how Python works when I'm the one who wrote Python. That's the equivalent of your stupidity.

No... I'm telling you you are FULL OF SHIT! Straight forward, don't give a damn about your internet "connections". Lebby was NOT being fired for having the #3 offense in the nation.

BTW.. They dropped from #3 to 113th the year after.

[sandjunky]

You asked ChatGPT. - Shows me you're a ****ing idiot.

I'm telling you as someone well connected with boosters at OU - he was going to be fired. We gave him a lifeline. Selmon saved OU some buyout money.

If you don't believe me - that's on you. I have long posted that I'm well connected within OU circles - way moreso than I am in State circles actually.

You are literally acting like a first year comp sci engineer trying to correct me on how Python works when I'm the one who wrote Python. That's the equivalent of your stupidity.
I prefer to program in DOS based C++

[Tater]

No... I'm telling you you are FULL OF SHIT! Straight forward, don't give a damn about your internet "connections". Lebby was NOT being fired for having the #3 offense in the nation.

BTW.. They dropped from #3 to 113th the year after.

You're a moron. He was maligned for his jet sweep affinity, lack of creativity, and perceived underperformance. OU fans have more intelligence than looking at basic stats. You are so high up on the dunning kruger mount of stupidity it's amazing you're breathing. The EPA he produced was nothing like the system he inherited from Lincoln Riley. He took a Ferrari and turned it into a Mustang.

The bottom fell out for OU going from the B12 to SEC and having the top 6 WRs injured along with Jackson Arnold being a lemon. (Lebby recruit) OU was healthy this year and now made the playoff.

But you - the smartest man in the world - looked at one stat a language learning model spit out and take that as gospel. You are so unbelievably dumb and everyone here is laughing.

Let's compare majors - I'll start. My first degree is Chemical Engineer. What's yours? Secretarial blowjob training?

[Leroy Jenkins]

So you?re telling me that Selmon gambled 100s of millions of dollars on a first time HC, who was about to be a fired OC, just to throw him a lifeline?

[confucius say]

Yet by year 2 it's reversed. Also I don't know if it's that accurate to say 2024 OU was totally worse than 2023 OU given the B12 to SEC schedule difference. But it's clear that 2025 OU > 2023 OU; 2023 OM > 2021 OM. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's something. But Kiffin, Heupel, and Vegetables all achieved higher success without him than with him. You have to question if Lebby was holding them back.

What were OK offensive numbers in 2023 vs 2024/2025?

[BlackSailsDawg]

You're a moron. He was maligned for his jet sweep affinity, lack of creativity, and perceived underperformance. OU fans have more intelligence than looking at basic stats. You are so high up on the dunning kruger mount of stupidity it's amazing you're breathing. The EPA he produced was nothing like the system he inherited from Lincoln Riley. He took a Ferrari and turned it into a Mustang.

The bottom fell out for OU going from the B12 to SEC and having the top 6 WRs injured along with Jackson Arnold being a lemon. (Lebby recruit) OU was healthy this year and now made the playoff.

But you - the smartest man in the world - looked at one stat a language learning model spit out and take that as gospel. You are so unbelievably dumb and everyone here is laughing.

Let's compare majors - I'll start. My first degree is Chemical Engineer. What's yours? Secretarial blowjob training?


No people are laughing at you. I live in that area and am sharing this with OU fans who are rolling in the floor at your ignorance. Nobody was firing the OC that had the #3 offense in the nation. You are a LIAR. Arnold was not the starter for Lebby. He came in when games were won and completed 64% of his passes. It's not Lebby's fault that Arnold crashed under the new OU OC. Dillon Gabriel was his QB and he completed 69% of his passes for an RTG of 172. He threw 30 TDs and Rushed for another 12.

You are a dishonest hack.

The fact that you think their current offense is better than Lebby's while there is truly outing you. Lebby had the #3 offense in the nation when he took our job(they also had a horrible defense ranked 77th in the nation). They fell to 113th the following year. and this year... 90th! The only thing that kept them in games this year was the #7 in the nation defense .


The fact that you bring up the playoffs as if it's the same as it was is equally astonishing as your suggesting that OU was going to get rid of an OC who had the #3 offense in the nation. You see, Lebby was there when it was just 4 teams. Not 12. OU would not have gotten in this year if not for that. You are a dishonest prick that only wants to sow discord among the fans base.

[BlackSailsDawg]

What were OK offensive numbers in 2023 vs 2024/2025?

I'll give them to you.

2023, OU had the #3 offense in the nation. The #4 scoring offense. Lebby's offense.

2024, OU had the #113 ranked offense. Post Lebby

2025, OU had the 90th ranked offense. Post Lebby.

State had the 50th ranked offense this season.

[BlackSailsDawg]

So you?re telling me that Selmon gambled 100s of millions of dollars on a first time HC, who was about to be a fired OC, just to throw him a lifeline?

That is what he is trying to sell.

[confucius say]

I'll give them to you.

2023, OU had the #3 offense in the nation. The #4 scoring offense. Lebby's offense.

2024, OU had the #113 ranked offense. Post Lebby

2025, OU had the 90th ranked offense. Post Lebby.

State had the 50th ranked offense this season.

Sounds like to me defense is much more the problem than offense. Get some linemen and some defensive coaches.

[Maroon Glasses]

Man this board has become unbearable for me. Every thread just turns into name calling, nobody being wrong, and who has the bigger nuts. I get the frustration but some of y'all need to work on conversation skills. Real debating doesn't turn into name calling and pissing matches. We are all for Mississippi State. 99% of this board can't do a damn thing to influence our football seasons anyway so let's just step back from the ledge and talk amongst ourselves like men and hope and pray our administration does what needs to be done for State to be successful. Hostility and hatred has never had anything good come from it.

I can't remember a time when our fanbase was this dismantled. It's obvious something has to change.

[Tater]

LOL you really put negative rep on me. Amazing. Go be a child elsewhere.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Sounds like to me defense is much more the problem than offense. Get some linemen and some defensive coaches.

Yeah, the only reason OU had that many wins was due to their 7th ranked defense. What was our Offense? 52nd? But we had a 105th ranked defense.

[Todd4State]

Man this board has become unbearable for me. Every thread just turns into name calling, nobody being wrong, and who has the bigger nuts. I get the frustration but some of y'all need to work on conversation skills. Real debating doesn't turn into name calling and pissing matches. We are all for Mississippi State. 99% of this board can't do a damn thing to influence our football seasons anyway so let's just step back from the ledge and talk amongst ourselves like men and hope and pray our administration does what needs to be done for State to be successful. Hostility and hatred has never had anything good come from it.

I can't remember a time when our fanbase was this dismantled. It's obvious something has to change.

This thread is pretty crazy. I'm not sure why anyone would try to rundown any coach by using their time as a coordinator to prove a point. I've never seen that done before. Especially when everything got WORSE when the coach left. That tells me he probably did a good job. Talk about apples and oranges here.

[Tater]

This thread is pretty crazy. I'm not sure why anyone would try to rundown any coach by using their time as a coordinator to prove a point. I've never seen that done before. Especially when everything got WORSE when the coach left. That tells me he probably did a good job. Talk about apples and oranges here.


If your definition of "worse/better" is solely based on ypg and ppg then you have a basic understanding of football works (one team scores more than the other) but you don't have any real deep insight into complementary football.

Theres a reason each coach that Lebby left got better game results without Lebby.

And we judge him as a coordinator because what he's supposed to bring to the table is innovative offensive mind.

It's been well discussed how terrible he is at in game coaching management. Laughably horrific.

[BlackSailsDawg]

If your definition of "worse/better" is solely based on ypg and ppg then you have a basic understanding of football works (one team scores more than the other) but you don't have any real deep insight into complementary football.

Theres a reason each coach that Lebby left got better game results without Lebby.

And we judge him as a coordinator because what he's supposed to bring to the table is innovative offensive mind.

It's been well discussed how terrible he is at in game coaching management. Laughably horrific.

And again, your own numbers don't back up what you are saying. Under Lebby, his offense was ranked 3rd in the nation at OU. He left for MSU. The very next season OU dropped from 3rd to 113th in the nation. This year they were ranked 90th. So NO they did not improve after Lebby. At all.

[msstate7]

How did Lebby leaving affect the defense the year after vs with him?

[Todd4State]

If your definition of "worse/better" is solely based on ypg and ppg then you have a basic understanding of football works (one team scores more than the other) but you don't have any real deep insight into complementary football.

Theres a reason each coach that Lebby left got better game results without Lebby.

And we judge him as a coordinator because what he's supposed to bring to the table is innovative offensive mind.

It's been well discussed how terrible he is at in game coaching management. Laughably horrific.

Do you not understand your own stats? Because based on what YOU presented it looks like teams got worse when he left in win totals.

Oklahoma for example hired Seth Littrell after Lebby. He lasted one year and then they hired Ben Arbuckle. There is no correlation to teams getting better based on what YOU presented.

[Todd4State]

How did Lebby leaving affecting the defense the year after vs with him?

It clearly didn't "complement" the defense well enough to help the team win more games the year after he left.

[Tater]

Do you not understand your own stats? Because based on what YOU presented it looks like teams got worse when he left in win totals.

Oklahoma for example hired Seth Littrell after Lebby. He lasted one year and then they hired Ben Arbuckle. There is no correlation to teams getting better based on what YOU presented.

OU had six WRs injured last year along with Lebby's prized recruit flopping at QB (which Arnold proved again at Auburn this year that it wasn't on Littrell) and went from playing a charmin ultra soft B12 schedule to an SEC schedule. If that's the year you want to hang your hat on for Lebby being good - that's a realllllly bad example and shows how weak the argument for him is.

But my point is each coach achieved higher highs when Lebby was not their OC than they did with him.

(I'm giving every coach a mulligan for 2020 including Lebby - he was 5-5)

Heupel
2018 - 12-1 UCF (potentially playoff berth)
2019 - 10-3 UCF (Lebby OC)
2021 - 7-6 Tennessee
2022 - 11-2 Tennessee (potentially playoff berth)
2023 - 9-4 Tennessee
2024 - 10-3 Tennessee (playoff berth)
2025 - 8-5 Tennessee

Kiffin
2019 - 10-3 FAU
2021 - 10-3 OM Lebby (potentially Playoff Berth)
2022 - 8-5 OM
2023 - 11-2 OM (potentially playoff berth)
2024 - 10-3 OM
2025 - 13-1 OM (playoff berth)

Vegetables
2022 - 6-7 OU - Lebby
2023 - 10-3 OU - Lebby
2024 - 6-7 OU
2025 - 10-3 OU - Playoff berth

All 3 coaches have a playoff berth without Lebby. Only 2021 under Lane does Lebby have a potential playoff berth. It's not rocket science to tell he was not the straw stirring the drink. He did not elevate any programs he was around.

[Tater]

And again, your own numbers don't back up what you are saying. Under Lebby, his offense was ranked 3rd in the nation at OU. He left for MSU. The very next season OU dropped from 3rd to 113th in the nation. This year they were ranked 90th. So NO they did not improve after Lebby. At all.

Your reading comprehension sucks. I literally mocked you for using ypg and ppg. I called you the top of mount stupid on the dunning kruger. You think you know so much because you don't have the knowledge of what you don't know. You are peak idiot. This message board is worse with you on it. Please better yourself and your knowledge before posting again.

[bulldawg28]

Your reading comprehension sucks. I literally mocked you for using ypg and ppg. I called you the top of mount stupid on the dunning kruger. You think you know so much because you don't have the knowledge of what you don't know. You are peak idiot. This message board is worse with you on it. Please better yourself and your knowledge before posting again.


Dude is horrendous and he has a sidekick robin keeping him going.

[BlackSailsDawg]

OU had six WRs injured last year along with Lebby's prized recruit flopping at QB (which Arnold proved again at Auburn this year that it wasn't on Littrell) and went from playing a charmin ultra soft B12 schedule to an SEC schedule. If that's the year you want to hang your hat on for Lebby being good - that's a realllllly bad example and shows how weak the argument for him is.

But my point is each coach achieved higher highs when Lebby was not their OC than they did with him.

(I'm giving every coach a mulligan for 2020 including Lebby - he was 5-5)

Heupel
2018 - 12-1 UCF (potentially playoff berth)
2019 - 10-3 UCF (Lebby OC)
2021 - 7-6 Tennessee
2022 - 11-2 Tennessee (potentially playoff berth)
2023 - 9-4 Tennessee
2024 - 10-3 Tennessee (playoff berth)
2025 - 8-5 Tennessee

Kiffin
2019 - 10-3 FAU
2021 - 10-3 OM Lebby (potentially Playoff Berth)
2022 - 8-5 OM
2023 - 11-2 OM (potentially playoff berth)
2024 - 10-3 OM
2025 - 13-1 OM (playoff berth)

Vegetables
2022 - 6-7 OU - Lebby
2023 - 10-3 OU - Lebby
2024 - 6-7 OU
2025 - 10-3 OU - Playoff berth

All 3 coaches have a playoff berth without Lebby. Only 2021 under Lane does Lebby have a potential playoff berth. It's not rocket science to tell he was not the straw stirring the drink. He did not elevate any programs he was around.

You are twisting a frig lying again. You know, when a person has to make shit up to try and "win", all it does is make you stink. You are a dishonest hack. Lebby would have made the playoff under the current system while at Ole Miss in 2021 and OU in 2023. The only reason they did not is due to the CFP was only 4 teams!

Just a miserable liar.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Your reading comprehension sucks. I literally mocked you for using ypg and ppg. I called you the top of mount stupid on the dunning kruger. You think you know so much because you don't have the knowledge of what you don't know. You are peak idiot. This message board is worse with you on it. Please better yourself and your knowledge before posting again.

No, my comprehension is just fine. Yo sated very clearly that teams improved after Lebby. I explained to you how yo were wrong with facts. You got so twisted that you were wrong you turned to the "PLAY OFFS" as if it was the same system then as now. Either you were too stupid to grasp what was being said or you are willfully ignorant. 4 team vs 12 teams.

[Turfdawg67]

Man this board has become unbearable for me. Every thread just turns into name calling, nobody being wrong, and who has the bigger nuts. I get the frustration but some of y'all need to work on conversation skills. Real debating doesn't turn into name calling and pissing matches. We are all for Mississippi State. 99% of this board can't do a damn thing to influence our football seasons anyway so let's just step back from the ledge and talk amongst ourselves like men and hope and pray our administration does what needs to be done for State to be successful. Hostility and hatred has never had anything good come from it.

I can't remember a time when our fanbase was this dismantled. It's obvious something has to change.

There's 3 that have made this site practically unbearable to read.

[Turfdawg67]

Dude is horrendous and he has a sidekick robin keeping him going.

You must be tater's Ethel Mertz then.

[Pancho]

You must be tater's Ethel Mertz then.

winner winner chicken dinner

[Todd4State]

OU had six WRs injured last year along with Lebby's prized recruit flopping at QB (which Arnold proved again at Auburn this year that it wasn't on Littrell) and went from playing a charmin ultra soft B12 schedule to an SEC schedule. If that's the year you want to hang your hat on for Lebby being good - that's a realllllly bad example and shows how weak the argument for him is.

But my point is each coach achieved higher highs when Lebby was not their OC than they did with him.

(I'm giving every coach a mulligan for 2020 including Lebby - he was 5-5)

Heupel
2018 - 12-1 UCF (potentially playoff berth)
2019 - 10-3 UCF (Lebby OC)
2021 - 7-6 Tennessee
2022 - 11-2 Tennessee (potentially playoff berth)
2023 - 9-4 Tennessee
2024 - 10-3 Tennessee (playoff berth)
2025 - 8-5 Tennessee

Kiffin
2019 - 10-3 FAU
2021 - 10-3 OM Lebby (potentially Playoff Berth)
2022 - 8-5 OM
2023 - 11-2 OM (potentially playoff berth)
2024 - 10-3 OM
2025 - 13-1 OM (playoff berth)

Vegetables
2022 - 6-7 OU - Lebby
2023 - 10-3 OU - Lebby
2024 - 6-7 OU
2025 - 10-3 OU - Playoff berth

All 3 coaches have a playoff berth without Lebby. Only 2021 under Lane does Lebby have a potential playoff berth. It's not rocket science to tell he was not the straw stirring the drink. He did not elevate any programs he was around.

Again- he was a COORDINATOR. Those aren't supposed to be the "straw that stirs the drink". Your whole premise is an absolute reach because it basically shows that when Lebby leaves the team gets worse. The fact that Oklahoma can hire another good OC or that Ole Miss was good under Kiffin isn't shocking at all. No one thinks that has to do with Lebby being good or bad.

[Pancho]

Tater will feel much better if we get some actual quality O linemen for next season.

[Tater]

No, my comprehension is just fine. Yo sated very clearly that teams improved after Lebby. I explained to you how yo were wrong with facts. You got so twisted that you were wrong you turned to the "PLAY OFFS" as if it was the same system then as now. Either you were too stupid to grasp what was being said or you are willfully ignorant. 4 team vs 12 teams.

Hey look. It's you failing at comprehension again. Don't try again.

[FISHDAWG]

7, you might be drunk - I dunno if Pancho has supported lebby today and definitely isn't one who is chest thumping. If anyone - he's cheerleading drunk me like the devil on my shoulder. Which I vibe with honestly.

I'm not as destructively angry as I used to be. It's way better to creatively try to make a spectacle of how dumbass I can say things that we are all feeling.

Thread winner... I wished we all could be as objective. I'm in for another two years knowing you can't go from what we were/are to where we want to be in only two years. So I set my final judgement aside yet again for a while longer

[Bdawg]

OU had six WRs injured last year along with Lebby's prized recruit flopping at QB (which Arnold proved again at Auburn this year that it wasn't on Littrell) and went from playing a charmin ultra soft B12 schedule to an SEC schedule. If that's the year you want to hang your hat on for Lebby being good - that's a realllllly bad example and shows how weak the argument for him is.

But my point is each coach achieved higher highs when Lebby was not their OC than they did with him.

(I'm giving every coach a mulligan for 2020 including Lebby - he was 5-5)

Heupel
2018 - 12-1 UCF (potentially playoff berth)
2019 - 10-3 UCF (Lebby OC)
2021 - 7-6 Tennessee
2022 - 11-2 Tennessee (potentially playoff berth)
2023 - 9-4 Tennessee
2024 - 10-3 Tennessee (playoff berth)
2025 - 8-5 Tennessee

Kiffin
2019 - 10-3 FAU
2021 - 10-3 OM Lebby (potentially Playoff Berth)
2022 - 8-5 OM
2023 - 11-2 OM (potentially playoff berth)
2024 - 10-3 OM
2025 - 13-1 OM (playoff berth)

Vegetables
2022 - 6-7 OU - Lebby
2023 - 10-3 OU - Lebby
2024 - 6-7 OU
2025 - 10-3 OU - Playoff berth

All 3 coaches have a playoff berth without Lebby. Only 2021 under Lane does Lebby have a potential playoff berth. It's not rocket science to tell he was not the straw stirring the drink. He did not elevate any programs he was around.

I really don?t see how you are making some of these comparisons when some of these coaches are changing schools and conferences. Nothing similar about those schedules. The only one to look at would be OK, imo. But like you said, Ok even changed conferences so there?s not really any relative info in that set either. Too many variables.

[Tater]

I really don?t see how you are making some of these comparisons when some of these coaches are changing schools and conferences. Nothing similar about those schedules. The only one to look at would be OK, imo. But like you said, Ok even changed conferences so there?s not really any relative info in that set either. Too many variables.

Too many variables agreed. But theme is consistent - Lebby is not a difference maker and is just a passenger.

Y1 Lebby is made OC: UCF -2 Wins, OM +1 Win, OU -4 Wins.

Heupel best year: 2018 UCF or 2024 Tennessee
Kiffin best year: 2025 OM
Venables best year: 2025 OU

Common thread: Lebby was not their OC

So Lebby is well known and accepted here to not do head coaching decisions well. His track record shows his offense is not conducive to bringing the best out of the team around him.

What exactly does he do well again? I don't see it

[Bdawg]

Too many variables agreed. But theme is consistent - Lebby is not a difference maker and is just a passenger.

Y1 Lebby is made OC: UCF -2 Wins, OM +1 Win, OU -4 Wins.

Heupel best year: 2018 UCF or 2024 Tennessee
Kiffin best year: 2025 OM
Venables best year: 2025 OU

Common thread: Lebby was not their OC

So Lebby is well known and accepted here to not do head coaching decisions well. His track record shows his offense is not conducive to bringing the best out of the team around him.

What exactly does he do well again? I don't see it

I?m not for or against Lebby right now. If you want to use those stats, I see a drop off after Lebby left each team and then those head coaches did something right to turn it around in the 2nd year after Lebby. I say that?s good on the coaches for straightening the ship. All these stats have no bearing on Lebby, the HC. Lebby, the HC, still has a lot to prove to me, but i can also see that he inherited and absolute dumpster fire in MSU football, a program that is underfunded, understaffed, and roster that has a handful of player that would play on another SEC team, and zero depth that we could hardly run a scout team. Knowing that?s how bad we were, I just can?t put it all on him. I can put on him his in game decisions and team discipline(the stupid penalties from weak discipline). With all that considered, I?m straddling the fence with him and treating this year like year 1 with him. No improvement next year, and he is toast, imo

[Tater]

I?m not for or against Lebby right now. If you want to use those stats, I see a drop off after Lebby left each team and then those head coaches did something right to turn it around in the 2nd year after Lebby. I say that?s good on the coaches for straightening the ship. All these stats have no bearing on Lebby, the HC. Lebby, the HC, still has a lot to prove to me, but i can also see that he inherited and absolute dumpster fire in MSU football, a program that is underfunded, understaffed, and roster that has a handful of player that would play on another SEC team, and zero depth that we could hardly run a scout team. Knowing that?s how bad we were, I just can?t put it all on him. I can put on him his in game decisions and team discipline(the stupid penalties from weak discipline). With all that considered, I?m straddling the fence with him and treating this year like year 1 with him. No improvement next year, and he is toast, imo

I think that's the point though, no? 2-10 year was year 1 of him to learn to do HC things.

He showed no improvement from Y1 to Y2. I'm not even talking about the players. He fostered a lack of discipline that had players cramping in freaking January. He made boneheaded decisions constantly this year. Culminating with allowing a kid to potentially tear his body in half while he is clearly limping. Last game of the year and still several mental mistakes.

I want him to succeed but I just don't see anything he does well as a HC. He doesn't do anything great as an OC. What positives does he really have?

He recruits excellent WRs. He didn't lose the surefire State QB commit (though he killed his year 2 spring practice reps). I really can't think of anything else positive he's done above replacement level as a coach in 2 years.

[Bdawg]

I think that's the point though, no? 2-10 year was year 1 of him to learn to do HC things.

He showed no improvement from Y1 to Y2. I'm not even talking about the players. He fostered a lack of discipline that had players cramping in freaking January. He made boneheaded decisions constantly this year. Culminating with allowing a kid to potentially tear his body in half while he is clearly limping. Last game of the year and still several mental mistakes.

I want him to succeed but I just don't see anything he does well as a HC. He doesn't do anything great as an OC. What positives does he really have?

He recruits excellent WRs. He didn't lose the surefire State QB commit (though he killed his year 2 spring practice reps). I really can't think of anything else positive he's done above replacement level as a coach in 2 years.

Everyone can be replaced. Coaches and players. Better have a bigger commitment to football to attract a decent coach. This program needs some stability badly and replacing coaches like we’ve been doing is not how to build a program. Better have a surefire replacement wanting the job that is obviously an upgrade if you pull the trigger, but we know that’s not happening right now. So we might as well pull for the guy and hope our boosters step up in the portal. He he gets a better roster and still can’t go bowling, he should be toast.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Age and experience has taught me to try to avoid game threads as much as possible

29 points...over 400 yards with a shitty OL and a true freshman at QB. I thinks thats impressive.

Anybody that was surprised we would be bad on defense last night hasnt watched us play or is not very intelligent.

The offense was hot garbage. We scored to make it close at one point only, it was never really in doubt. You watched it, dont play that game. The red zone offense is Mccorvey level bad. Same story over and over.

[Bdawg]

The offense was hot garbage. We scored to make it close at one point only, it was never really in doubt. You watched it, dont play that game. The red zone offense is Mccorvey level bad. Same story over and over.

Red zone was awful. Think it falls on our OL even more in the redzone because the field has shrunk. They were horrible except when they rushed 4 or less in pass pro. If we don’t improve OL, it will look the same next year.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I?m not for or against Lebby right now. If you want to use those stats, I see a drop off after Lebby left each team and then those head coaches did something right to turn it around in the 2nd year after Lebby. I say that?s good on the coaches for straightening the ship. All these stats have no bearing on Lebby, the HC. Lebby, the HC, still has a lot to prove to me, but i can also see that he inherited and absolute dumpster fire in MSU football, a program that is underfunded, understaffed, and roster that has a handful of player that would play on another SEC team, and zero depth that we could hardly run a scout team. Knowing that?s how bad we were, I just can?t put it all on him. I can put on him his in game decisions and team discipline(the stupid penalties from weak discipline). With all that considered, I?m straddling the fence with him and treating this year like year 1 with him. No improvement next year, and he is toast, imo

Everybody sees it but him. The fact that he is having to out right lie in hopes of gaining people to his cause across multiple boards should be a massive red flag to all that reads his crap.

A lie he just told was that OU just had their best season in wins. Thats a lie. Lebby ended his career there with the exact same record.

Another lie in this thread is that the offense was horrible at OU and people wanted him fired. Not only people, but Ven was firing him and Selmkn bailed him out. The truth is Lebby had the #3 offense in the nation. And nobody was firing him for that.

Another lie is that their offense was better after Lebby. The truth is lebbys offense was #3. The year after 113th. This year 92nd.

Another lie was that OU made the playoffs and Lebby didn't. The fact is the CFP was different then and only 4 teams got in. Ou had the exact same wins under Lebby as they did this year and the only reason OU was in is due to CFP moving to 12 teams.

The truth is not in this guy.

[R2Dawg]

OU fans are. The ones I know I should have said. They liked his offense.

I only got a few OU friends and they were both very glad he left OU.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I don’t know any OU fans personally, but from reading their boards back then they wanted Lebby fired. I think part of that though was an incident with Art Briles that sparked controversy, so I’m not sure if it was more that than actual results. Then again, we had a lot of people wanted Hevesy fired but would gladly welcome him back now seeing how poor our OL has been.

[Tater]

Everybody sees it but him. The fact that he is having to out right lie in hopes of gaining people to his cause across multiple boards should be a massive red flag to all that reads his crap.

A lie he just told was that OU just had their best season in wins. Thats a lie. Lebby ended his career there with the exact same record.

Another lie in this thread is that the offense was horrible at OU and people wanted him fired. Not only people, but Ven was firing him and Selmkn bailed him out. The truth is Lebby had the #3 offense in the nation. And nobody was firing him for that.

Another lie is that their offense was better after Lebby. The truth is lebbys offense was #3. The year after 113th. This year 92nd.

Another lie was that OU made the playoffs and Lebby didn't. The fact is the CFP was different then and only 4 teams got in. Ou had the exact same wins under Lebby as they did this year and the only reason OU was in is due to CFP moving to 12 teams.

The truth is not in this guy.

"Another lie another lie another lie". Dude you have serious issues.

You can't even read what I'm telling you. You look like a ****ing moron touting ypg / ppg as your stats about what makes an offense good. I said that is ****ing kindergarten level understanding of football. I have consistently said that Lebby's offense style is not conducive to complementary football and winning.

And you totally missed where under the 12 team format I gave credit where rankings would have had a team Lebby was on in the playoffs (like 2021 OM). OU would have been bumped for the G5 champion in 2023 since it was top 6 champions until the pac12 was carved up. Shocking that a 10-2 SEC record was seen with higher regard than a 10-2 Big 12 record.

And multiple boards? Not sure where else I've had to talk to you. SPS I have a different name and everyone but the Will Rogers impersonator is in agreement over there about Lebby sucking. If there's another board that has another Tater, then shouts to him for fighting the good fight.

Literally it's you and Todd on here defending Lebby. And Todd is one who has shown himself to be a jack of all trades, master of none (well I can't say that about baseball - Todd knows it there) when it comes to being high on the mountain of Dunning Kruger.

This is the last post. I won't be responding to you again. You posted so weirdly like this when you defended Leach like you were his wife (and I was a Leach supporter through and through). You probably were the Coach13 guy who was clearly Joe Moorhead's wife. And I'd bet you originally wished you could swap bodies with Megan Mullen. Wish harder and give up the internet for New Year's resolution.

[Tater]

I don’t know any OU fans personally, but from reading their boards back then they wanted Lebby fired. I think part of that though was an incident with Art Briles that sparked controversy, so I’m not sure if it was more that than actual results. Then again, we had a lot of people wanted Hevesy fired but would gladly welcome him back now seeing how poor our OL has been.

Well there was always a strong contingent that HATED the hire from the onset. The Briles wearing OU colors thing incensed them, but Venables was gonna get 2 years out of him. He lost a lot of goodwill in season 1 with the 6-7 showing from the contingent of boosters that wanted him but not enough to fire. Then as 2023 went on - the ones who understand football saw through the gaudy numbers and stats. It's a system that exponentially explodes in your favor when you have a massive talent difference. (73 against Arkansas State, 66 against Tulsa, 69 against a very depleted TCU team) but in the two games that mattered - 34 against Texsa and 24 against Okie Lite - it wasn't there like this elite coordinator was supposed to be. And it wasn't complementing Venables defense at all. It's not a surprise that when you don't have 100+ plays that a defense gets better. And now OU is much better on defense and poised to improve further while having more complementary football.

How it went down in November was that Lebby was encouraged to find something else. I can't speak to the specifics of who all turned us down before getting to Lebby, but I know that the end result is Selmon did OU a solid. Saved them from buyout / firing him. Lebby was not going to be OC in 2024 at OU regardless of that as the power struggle had shifted to those who hate Briles and OU really friggin hates losing Bedlam. So here we are.

[DEDawg]

Too many variables agreed. But theme is consistent - Lebby is not a difference maker and is just a passenger.

Y1 Lebby is made OC: UCF -2 Wins, OM +1 Win, OU -4 Wins.

Heupel best year: 2018 UCF or 2024 Tennessee
Kiffin best year: 2025 OM
Venables best year: 2025 OU

Common thread: Lebby was not their OC

So Lebby is well known and accepted here to not do head coaching decisions well. His track record shows his offense is not conducive to bringing the best out of the team around him.

What exactly does he do well again? I don't see it

Come on now this is pretty disingenuous with the 2025 Oklahoma talk. This was Venables best year because they were a top 10 defense in every metric. If Lebby was their OC this year they might still be playing.

[Tater]

Come on now this is pretty disingenuous with the 2025 Oklahoma talk. This was Venables best year because they were a top 10 defense in every metric. If Lebby was their OC this year they might still be playing.

The crux of the point is that Lebby's offense doesn't complement defenses well. OU wouldn't have near the defense they did having to deal with what his offense does to set the defense up poorly as opposed to other systems.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Well there was always a strong contingent that HATED the hire from the onset. The Briles wearing OU colors thing incensed them, but Venables was gonna get 2 years out of him. He lost a lot of goodwill in season 1 with the 6-7 showing from the contingent of boosters that wanted him but not enough to fire. Then as 2023 went on - the ones who understand football saw through the gaudy numbers and stats. It's a system that exponentially explodes in your favor when you have a massive talent difference. (73 against Arkansas State, 66 against Tulsa, 69 against a very depleted TCU team) but in the two games that mattered - 34 against Texsa and 24 against Okie Lite - it wasn't there like this elite coordinator was supposed to be. And it wasn't complementing Venables defense at all. It's not a surprise that when you don't have 100+ plays that a defense gets better. And now OU is much better on defense and poised to improve further while having more complementary football.

How it went down in November was that Lebby was encouraged to find something else. I can't speak to the specifics of who all turned us down before getting to Lebby, but I know that the end result is Selmon did OU a solid. Saved them from buyout / firing him. Lebby was not going to be OC in 2024 at OU regardless of that as the power struggle had shifted to those who hate Briles and OU really friggin hates losing Bedlam. So here we are.

Ah yes that refreshed my memory a bit and goes along with what I read. Their boosters definitely seemed more vocal about the Briles connection than other schools he was OC for previously. Their defense is elite now so if Venables can find something offensively then he will be successful there. I remember a large portion were happy he left because of the Briles connection and upset about the Texas and OK State games.

[BlackSailsDawg]

"Another lie another lie another lie". Dude you have serious issues.

You can't even read what I'm telling you. You look like a ****ing moron touting ypg / ppg as your stats about what makes an offense good. I said that is ****ing kindergarten level understanding of football. I have consistently said that Lebby's offense style is not conducive to complementary football and winning.

And you totally missed where under the 12 team format I gave credit where rankings would have had a team Lebby was on in the playoffs (like 2021 OM). OU would have been bumped for the G5 champion in 2023 since it was top 6 champions until the pac12 was carved up. Shocking that a 10-2 SEC record was seen with higher regard than a 10-2 Big 12 record.

And multiple boards? Not sure where else I've had to talk to you. SPS I have a different name and everyone but the Will Rogers impersonator is in agreement over there about Lebby sucking. If there's another board that has another Tater, then shouts to him for fighting the good fight.

Literally it's you and Todd on here defending Lebby. And Todd is one who has shown himself to be a jack of all trades, master of none (well I can't say that about baseball - Todd knows it there) when it comes to being high on the mountain of Dunning Kruger.

This is the last post. I won't be responding to you again. You posted so weirdly like this when you defended Leach like you were his wife (and I was a Leach supporter through and through). You probably were the Coach13 guy who was clearly Joe Moorhead's wife. And I'd bet you originally wished you could swap bodies with Megan Mullen. Wish harder and give up the internet for New Year's resolution.

Man you lied. Period. It sucks that you feel the need to do that. I laid it out and everybody sees it.

As with any coach, you can find something to bitch about without over the top, estrogenic rants that are lies. But you have a mission from God.

Remember YOU stated YOU are the chosen spokesperson for all of the State fans. Yet another lie and incredibly mental thing to insist you are. And no, you were not joking. Thats friggin insane.

[Cowbell]

OU fans are. The ones I know I should have said. They liked his offense.

Not true at all. I live amongst a bunch of their boosters and they all wanted him gone.

[Tater]

Not true at all. I live amongst a bunch of their boosters and they all wanted him gone.

Prolly just add that dude to your ignore list. I know I did.

[DownwardDawg]

Tater, dont drink too much and freak out and get banned.

[Tater]

Tater, dont drink too much and freak out and get banned.

I ignored him. Besides we ain't talking politics and I haven't said near what 7 / Todd said to each other the other night lmfao.

[Really Clark?]

The crux of the point is that Lebby's offense doesn't complement defenses well. OU wouldn't have near the defense they did having to deal with what his offense does to set the defense up poorly as opposed to other systems.

2019 UCF's defense was 41st in scoring, 2020 the year after he left they were 92nd

2021 Ole Miss defense was 51st in scoring, 2022 57th after he left.

2023 OK defense was 48th in scoring 23.5 ppg, 2024 they were 29th at 21.5 ppg the year after he left.

I'm not seeing a correlation.