This program is cursed. Just shut the whole place down.

[CadaverDawg]

Not sure what State did to deserve the curse it has, and definitely not sure what those pieces of shit in Oxford have done to deserve their incredible fortune and luck, but here we are. Just shut it down. We are cursed and human beings don't deserve to have this kind of misery and pain in their lives. It's unhealthy, and horrible.

I am gutted for Taylor. Absolutely gutted.

Oh, and Lebby...you suck. But everything sucks.

[msstate7]

Remember you telling me I was dumb for saying Lebby sucks?

[CadaverDawg]

Remember you telling me I was dumb for saying Lebby sucks?

You were dumb. It was premature. It's not anymore. Ha.

Doesn't matter, nobody is saving this flaming dumpster. Lebby just happens to be the Captain as it's finally almost disappeared beneath the water's surface

[msstate7]

You were dumb. It was premature. It's not anymore. Ha.

Doesn't matter, nobody is saving this flaming dumpster. Lebby just happens to be the Captain as it's finally almost disappeared beneath the water's surface

You can't blame it on money when you lose to WF. Cadaver, you know I love you man, but it's Lebby. He certainly has limitations being here, but come on mane, he's garbage. He holds us back more than we hold him

[Quaoarsking]

Remember you telling me I was dumb for saying Lebby sucks?

No need to snipe at other MSU fans who agree. We're all united (except for 2 of us) on this. Every board, every social media post - there's no way the athletic department can ignore this amount of unanimity.

[msstate7]

No need to snipe at other MSU fans who agree. We're all united (except for 2 of us) on this. Every board, every social media post - there's no way the athletic department can ignore this amount of unanimity.

You're right, but hot damn, me and you went through hell bc we were calling a spade a spade

[Coursesuper]

We are a pathetic bunch of losers. Ignorant entitled losers. This program will never achieve success with the amount of support we are willing to provide. But we will raise hell and cuss every coach that ever steps foot on our sideline. They are cursed to have accepted the position here, the dead end of SEC football.
Even the best coach in modern history was looking to leave because he knew we would never be there with real resources when he needed them. And he achieved way above what he should have, busted their ass to find kids and turn them into players.
And we cussed his ass all the way. And to think there are those that believe he would come back here. Ha, he 17ing knows better.
This is really pathetic when you think about it. We are tribal, divided and dumb, a killer in that combination, and we have it all by the truckload. So thanks for nothing but ulcers.

[Quaoarsking]

We are a pathetic bunch of losers.

The biggest losers are the ones who think that the last 2 years are OK and that we can't expect any better.

[CadaverDawg]

We are a pathetic bunch of losers. Ignorant entitled losers. This program will never achieve success with the amount of support we are willing to provide. But we will raise hell and cuss every coach that ever steps foot on our sideline. They are cursed to have accepted the position here, the dead end of SEC football.
Even the best coach in modern history was looking to leave because he knew we would never be there with real resources when he needed them. And he achieved way above what he should have, busted their ass to find kids and turn them into players.
And we cussed his ass all the way. And to think there are those that believe he would come back here. Ha, he 17ing knows better.
This is really pathetic when you think about it. We are tribal, divided and dumb, a killer in that combination, and we have it all by the truckload. So thanks for nothing but ulcers.

Fan.....short for fanatic.

We are no different than every other fan base.

Ole Miss fans went from wanting Kiffin fired, to saying he was "Home" and he "matured", to saying he's a selfish Hoe....and he assembled the team that may win them their first National Championship! Our fans are no different...except our coaches actually do need to be fired haha

[Coursesuper]

The biggest losers are the ones who think that the last 2 years are OK and that we can't expect any better.

Nice cherry picking you 17ing asshole. You will want to fire the next one too just give it time. I’ve seen it for 54 years of attendance. If we are one thing we are consistent.

[msstate7]

Nice cherry picking you 17ing asshole. You will want to fire the next one too just give it time. I’ve seen it for 54 years of attendance. If we are one thing we are consistent.

This is totally acceptable!

[Quaoarsking]

Nice cherry picking you 17ing asshole. You will want to fire the next one too just give it time. I’ve seen it for 54 years of attendance. If we are one thing we are consistent.

If he sucks, then yes I will. If he's good, then I won't. I never wanted to fire Mullen or Leach. I don't want to fire Jans, I was ambivalent on Howland to the end. I'm a loyal guy, but we all have our breaking point.

[Bothrops]

Not sure what State did to deserve the curse it has, and definitely not sure what those pieces of shit in Oxford have done to deserve their incredible fortune and luck, but here we are. Just shut it down. We are cursed and human beings don't deserve to have this kind of misery and pain in their lives. It's unhealthy, and horrible.

I am gutted for Taylor. Absolutely gutted.

Oh, and Lebby...you suck. But everything sucks.

I agree 100 percent. The program needs to be in an underwater tomb. If this had been before the hatching of insane clown world of around pre- 2020, I would just say, we can only go up from here, but that's being very shortsighted now. We can't do anything right and if we do we have to spend a lot more than we have. Bury this beast.

[ArrowDawg]

Fan.....short for fanatic.

We are no different than every other fan base.

Ole Miss fans went from wanting Kiffin fired, to saying he was "Home" and he "matured", to saying he's a selfish Hoe....and he assembled the team that may win them their first National Championship! Our fans are no different...except our coaches actually do need to be fired haha

A few years ago, OM fans were spending most of their time in the grove than in the stands. They didn't give a crap. The difference between then and now is that their leadership and big money donors took advantage of the NIL and built a winner. We just kept running a budget program and only hoped to occasionally beat OM to appease Keenum. A lot of us want to blame this on the sudden death of Leach, but this was coming no matter what.

[Coursesuper]

A few years ago, OM fans were spending most of their time in the grove than in the stands. They didn't give a crap. The difference between then and now is that their leadership and big money donors took advantage of the NIL and built a winner. We just kept running a budget program and only hoped to occasionally beat OM to appease Keenum. A lot of us want to blame this on the sudden death of Leach, but this was coming no matter what.

This is pretty much on point. We aren’t willing to do what’s necessary to succeed.

[Todd4State]

A few years ago, OM fans were spending most of their time in the grove than in the stands. They didn't give a crap. The difference between then and now is that their leadership and big money donors took advantage of the NIL and built a winner. We just kept running a budget program and only hoped to occasionally beat OM to appease Keenum. A lot of us want to blame this on the sudden death of Leach, but this was coming no matter what.

Leach would have bought us time to get our NIL up because he could win with less. Then again that also would have proven to our boosters that we could win without NIL.

At the end of the day it comes down to how much you invest moreso than who the coach actually is. And that's the REAL problem.

We could fire Lebby and it's essentially the same situation as it would be if we keep him and we will keep him because we need some stability.

[AROB44]

We are a pathetic bunch of losers. Ignorant entitled losers. This program will never achieve success with the amount of support we are willing to provide. But we will raise hell and cuss every coach that ever steps foot on our sideline. They are cursed to have accepted the position here, the dead end of SEC football.
Even the best coach in modern history was looking to leave because he knew we would never be there with real resources when he needed them. And he achieved way above what he should have, busted their ass to find kids and turn them into players.
And we cussed his ass all the way. And to think there are those that believe he would come back here. Ha, he 17ing knows better.
This is really pathetic when you think about it. We are tribal, divided and dumb, a killer in that combination, and we have it all by the truckload. So thanks for nothing but ulcers.

Couldn't have said it better!!

[was21]

Maybe pretty simple explanation: Choices equal consequences

[BeastMan]

New year new me**

[Saltydog]

First post from BM in a LONG time. . . . .

[R2Dawg]

You can't blame it on money when you lose to WF. Cadaver, you know I love you man, but it's Lebby. He certainly has limitations being here, but come on mane, he's garbage. He holds us back more than we hold him

Yep, tired of everyone just blaming money for our issues. We got issues way bigger than just money.

[Coursesuper]

The biggest losers are the ones who think that the last 2 years are OK and that we can't expect any better.

People who refuse to ever acknowledge the real problems are the ones who have been killing us since before my lifetime. Those of your ilk are just joining a long, long line of losing and perpetuating it. You people will never acknowledge any of our real issues and our circle of shatshows will continue unabated. Have a big time, keep up that short sighted view, it?s working so well for the last 80 years.

[MagicDawg]

A good argument can be made that we should have cheated bigger and sooner and with more dedication and organization so that we had the infrastructure in place for the new normal when it all went above board.

[SaintDawg]

MSU needs to leave the SEC. We have been left behind and there is no catching up anymore. No one wants to coach here other than BOC with the Taj Mahal of a baseball stadium we have. The powers that push the buttons don?t want to spend the money to win in football. It?s obvious. And before any of you start ripping on me that this a stupid thing to say, it?s no worse than some of the other silly shit that gets said here

[BeastMan]

First post from BM in a LONG time. . . . .

I?ve been around

[Coursesuper]

MSU needs to leave the SEC. We have been left behind and there is no catching up anymore. No one wants to coach here other than BOC with the Taj Mahal of a baseball stadium we have. The powers that push the buttons don?t want to spend the money to win in football. It?s obvious. And before any of you start ripping on me that this a stupid thing to say, it?s no worse than some of the other silly shit that gets said here

The only problem is if we leave we die, it’s a killer for the university and Starkville. Other than that you’re pretty much on point.

[Coach34]

Here is what I expect to happen for the next decade:

Baseball thrives as it is being funded like a Top 5 program
Basketball continues to stay middle of the SEC as it is being funded middle of the SEC
Football remains bottom 1/4 of the SEC in wins and funding. Lebby fired. New guy is the same thing and is fired after 3-4 years. New guy after him is the same thing

We keep holding on to that SEC paycheck

[Coursesuper]

Here is what I expect to happen for the next decade:

Baseball thrives as it is being funded like a Top 5 program
Basketball continues to stay middle of the SEC as it is being funded middle of the SEC
Football remains bottom 1/4 of the SEC in wins and funding. Lebby fired. New guy is the same thing and is fired after 3-4 years. New guy after him is the same thing

We keep holding on to that SEC paycheck

If funding doesn’t change this is exactly what will happen.

[MoreCowbell]

Here is what I expect to happen for the next decade:

Baseball thrives as it is being funded like a Top 5 program
Basketball continues to stay middle of the SEC as it is being funded middle of the SEC
Football remains bottom 1/4 of the SEC in wins and funding. Lebby fired. New guy is the same thing and is fired after 3-4 years. New guy after him is the same thing

We keep holding on to that SEC paycheck

If that is the game plan might as well be dead last in football funding and put it towards being top 1/4th in Basketball

[CadaverDawg]

Here is what I expect to happen for the next decade:

Baseball thrives as it is being funded like a Top 5 program
Basketball continues to stay middle of the SEC as it is being funded middle of the SEC
Football remains bottom 1/4 of the SEC in wins and funding. Lebby fired. New guy is the same thing and is fired after 3-4 years. New guy after him is the same thing

We keep holding on to that SEC paycheck

That's why I'm losing interest in MSU athletics. Never dreamed I would. But why should I invest my time and money into
It if the program isn't investing theirs?

If this Ole Miss run doesn't wake our program up, it ain't waking up. Bc nothing tends to motivate each program like the other one reaching the mountain top

[R2Dawg]

If that is the game plan might as well be dead last in football funding and put it towards being top 1/4th in Basketball

This is the approach we should take. We only have to buy3-4 top basketball players yet football takes about 30 so we could win in basketball. At least rather be winning in 2 sports instead of 1.

[Coursesuper]

This is the approach we should take. We only have to buy3-4 top basketball players yet football takes about 30 so we could win in basketball. At least rather be winning in 2 sports instead of 1.

How much do y'all think we are spending in basketball this year?

[MoreCowbell]

How much do y'all think we are spending in basketball this year?

If I had to guess, 3 million bulk of that being Hubbard. Apparently Sean Jones Jr. is getting $200k. I bet Hubbard is right below $1mil. That is purely my guess.

[Travelingdawg]

10

[CaptainObvious]

First, I would never ?want? to leave the SEC for many reasons. However, when I hear someone say that would kill our program, my response has to be we have been attending the Wake for the past 3 years.

I find it interesting that Arkansas couldn?t field a winning team but Arkansas State did and played and won a bowl game. Harding University played Ferris State for the DII NC last week.

Southern Miss usually has decent success in the SunBelt and they have a heck of a competitive baseball program.

Tulane, a perennial bottom feeder has had much success in the past 8 years.

Kennesaw State, Ga., in their 2nd year in FBS had a winning record.

James Madison, in their 3rd year, played in the playoffs. Did t deserve it, but won enough games to qualify by the current rules.

In fact, the SEC is So Top Heavy that the bottom 4 all finished 1-7 in league play. No wonder the SEC sucked in bowls and playoff games this year. The top beat up on the bottom.

Non-the-less, State doesn?t need to drop into the G5 until State is told to by the upper echelon of The Professional Minor League Football Organization.

[mckeen]

All it takes is one Dickie Scruggs.

[Coursesuper]

10

More, significantly more.

[msstate7]

10

I've read this, and I'm not saying it's wrong, but I wonder how it's calculated. Is it 10 million this season or 10 million committed over multiple seasons? I mean, think about it...

Jones' 200 k is widely reported here, so 9.8 million for 14 players. Chol, Warren, and Paul aren't getting 200k. Hubbard is obviously getting a ton, but how much?

[Travelingdawg]

This season is what I understood.

[MoreCowbell]

More, significantly more.

Besides #1, the best lottery pick players top 10 are getting about 2 million according to reports and everything I have read. If you have inside info and knowledge within the athletic department and program then ok but if you don?t you are wrong.

How much is Hubbard getting?

[Homedawg]

If I had to guess, 3 million bulk of that being Hubbard. Apparently Sean Jones Jr. is getting $200k. I bet Hubbard is right below $1mil. That is purely my guess.

You're low on both. The roster is well well over 3 mil. Basketball is crazy. Even for the avg guys.

[msudawg1200]

You're low on both. The roster is well well over 3 mil. Basketball is crazy. Even for the avg guys.

I've heard from a reliable source that it is way more than that. Like a great deal more. 7-9 million more. That's why I've been so pissed at our early season lack of success.

[Coursesuper]

You're low on both. The roster is well well over 3 mil. Basketball is crazy. Even for the avg guys.

Not even close, it’s hard to really wrap your mind around it.

[Coach34]

If I had to guess, 3 million bulk of that being Hubbard. Apparently Sean Jones Jr. is getting $200k. I bet Hubbard is right below $1mil. That is purely my guess.

Hubbard makes around 3MM by himself.

[Coach34]

Besides #1, the best lottery pick players top 10 are getting about 2 million according to reports and everything I have read. If you have inside info and knowledge within the athletic department and program then ok but if you don?t you are wrong.

How much is Hubbard getting?

Kentucky's and UPig's NIL are more than $20MM

[Coursesuper]

Besides #1, the best lottery pick players top 10 are getting about 2 million according to reports and everything I have read. If you have inside info and knowledge within the athletic department and program then ok but if you don?t you are wrong.

How much is Hubbard getting?

What I?m trying to show is everything is way more costly and complex than folks can comprehend. It?s an absolute nightmare with no end in sight right now.

[Turfdawg67]

With almost zero return on investment, except bragging rights... it's not sustainable.

[Coursesuper]

With almost zero return on investment, except bragging rights... it's not sustainable.

I think that this is a fallacy. This must to be looked as an investment. The confederates and Oxford are booming, millions and millions are pouring into the local economy and the university. You guys should visit the other schools in our league, the bammers just spent 100 million on a welcome center. The money is rolling in for the schools that were smart enough to get ahead of the changes and the ones who were already established. As far as sustainability, the unlimited portal doesn’t seem like it is, but the genie is out of the bottle, who knows where that goes.

[Maroon Glasses]

We have multiple guys in the NFL that have signed record breaking contracts. They are the ones who could move the needle with our NIL. It's their money and they can do as they please, but if they got involved (and maybe they are) we could make major moves and become a major player. Dak,Cross, and Jones are 3 that I know have record contracts. Please let the football gods look over us and let our former players get involved more. We deserve it after years of torture yet we remained faithful!!

[msudawg1200]

Hubbard makes around 3MM by himself.
Heard the same

[Turfdawg67]

I think that this is a fallacy. This must to be looked as an investment. The confederates and Oxford are booming, millions and millions are pouring into the local economy and the university. You guys should visit the other schools in our league, the bammers just spent 100 million on a welcome center. The money is rolling in for the schools that were smart enough to get ahead of the changes and the ones who were already established. As far as sustainability, the unlimited portal doesn’t seem like it is, but the genie is out of the bottle, who knows where that goes.

An obvious ROI for the college, town and local businesses. I was speaking to the rich donors that don't live in or around Starkville. Where's their ROI?

[Coursesuper]

An obvious ROI for the college, town and local businesses. I was speaking to the rich donors that don't live in or around Starkville. Where's their ROI?

Do you not realize how many are invested locally and are invested in the foundation. The Hotel Avalon and adjoining properties are not happening without the investment of many. A couple of huge donors are very much involved. There are investors and land swaps going on all the time, that’s just here.

[Turfdawg67]

Do you not realize how many are invested locally and are invested in the foundation. The Hotel Avalon and adjoining properties are not happening without the investment of many. A couple of huge donors are very much involved. There are investors and land swaps going on all the time, that’s just here.

I'm sure you're right. I was just thinking of the wealthy friends I know, who just donate, buy suites, etc. They do their part, but donating $2M for a QB that could walk out the very next year... that's not sustainable. Maybe once or twice, then I'd be done.

[MoreCowbell]

So Hubbard making more than 90 percent of QBs this year?

[MoreCowbell]

What I?m trying to show is everything is way more costly and complex than folks can comprehend. It?s an absolute nightmare with no end in sight right now.

Gotcha thanks for insight

[Homedawg]

I've heard from a reliable source that it is way more than that. Like a great deal more. 7-9 million more. That's why I've been so pissed at our early season lack of success.

You have a good source. Most people would lose their minds on basketball amounts. Who is and isn't getting what. It's nuts

[msstate7]

Then jans needs to stop investing so heavy in HS recruits.

[Homedawg]

Then jans needs to stop investing so heavy in HS recruits.

It more investing too much in the bottom end of the roster. Our hs investments have been reasonable imo.

[msstate7]

It more investing too much in the bottom end of the roster. Our hs investments have been reasonable imo.

Probably so then. If we have to have guys 9-15 play much, we screwed anyway

[DawgFromOxford]

An obvious ROI for the college, town and local businesses. I was speaking to the rich donors that don't live in or around Starkville. Where's their ROI?

Exactly. Paying top dollar for coaches and NIL is great for the school and town and is very much worth it economically, but for you average fan who doesn't live in Starkville or make it back to Starkville very often there's basically no return on investment other than bragging on Monday at the water cooler.

The fact that NIL got placed on the backs of the fans who didn't profit at all in the old system is wild.

[R2Dawg]

With almost zero return on investment, except bragging rights... it's not sustainable.

Agree. For the few that appear to be winning, the law of averages will come back around and they will not sustain. All that the system has done is drive the prices up for the same players. Fans are poorer and players are richer. W & L balance out. Kinda like gambling. The house never loses long term, the gambler does.

[Turfdawg67]

Agree. For the few that appear to be winning, the law of averages will come back around and they will not sustain. All that the system has done is drive the prices up for the same players. Fans are poorer and players are richer. W & L balance out. Kinda like gambling. The house never loses long term, the gambler does.

Yes. And just like "professional" sports, the increased pay gets passed onto the fans via ticket prices, concessions, memorabilia...

[Maroon Glasses]

Agree. For the few that appear to be winning, the law of averages will come back around and they will not sustain. All that the system has done is drive the prices up for the same players. Fans are poorer and players are richer. W & L balance out. Kinda like gambling. The house never loses long term, the gambler does.

Very well said!

[Political Hack]

Is it baseball season yet?

[MoreCowbell]

I think that this is a fallacy. This must to be looked as an investment. The confederates and Oxford are booming, millions and millions are pouring into the local economy and the university. You guys should visit the other schools in our league, the bammers just spent 100 million on a welcome center. The money is rolling in for the schools that were smart enough to get ahead of the changes and the ones who were already established. As far as sustainability, the unlimited portal doesn’t seem like it is, but the genie is out of the bottle, who knows where that goes.

Excellent post, it is without a doubt a business at this point. I can see why university is hesitant to put more money into it if the return, at this point in time, is not there. Strike while the iron is hot not cold.