I hope Keenum and Selmon

[DownwardDawg]

Had a watch party and watched this game together tonight. I hope they got to see that fanbase from Mississippi take over the Superdome and get all this media love. I hope they are pissed off and miserable like our fanbase is.

Not sure either has the leadership ability to do anything about it though.

[Msujd164]

They put out a Dawg Knight video. What else you want them to do?

[Todd4State]

Well I'll say this. I think Selmon has helped us make massive strides in football. He's the kind of person MSU needs to fix football.

[EdwardDrayton]

Had a watch party and watched this game together tonight. I hope they got to see that fanbase from Mississippi take over the Superdome and get all this media love. I hope they are pissed off and miserable like our fanbase is.

Not sure either has the leadership ability to do anything about it though.

Not sure there is anything anybody can do now. It's happened and we've been shuffled out.

[Skydawg1]

Well I'll say this. I think Selmon has helped us make massive strides in football. He's the kind of person MSU needs to fix football.

An outsider. Non-MSU guy. Agreed.

[Dawgology]

Problem is…we have a fan base and boosters that concern themselves with baseball waaaaaaaay too much. State doesn’t have the money to split resources and still be competitive at football.

[Bothrops]

Had a watch party and watched this game together tonight. I hope they got to see that fanbase from Mississippi take over the Superdome and get all this media love. I hope they are pissed off and miserable like our fanbase is.

Not sure either has the leadership ability to do anything about it though.

They don't get that miserable. They're incapable of getting that miserable over our football poverty.

[ArrowDawg]

They put out a Dawg Knight video. What else you want them to do?

That made me laugh.

[DownwardDawg]

Well I'll say this. I think Selmon has helped us make massive strides in football. He's the kind of person MSU needs to fix football.

He definitely has been an upgrade. I'll say that.

[DownwardDawg]

That made me laugh.

Me too!!!!

Hahahaha!!!!

[DownwardDawg]

They put out a Dawg Knight video. What else you want them to do?

Hahaha!!! Sooooo awesome!!!!

[Cowbell]

Had a watch party and watched this game together tonight. I hope they got to see that fanbase from Mississippi take over the Superdome and get all this media love. I hope they are pissed off and miserable like our fanbase is.

Not sure either has the leadership ability to do anything about it though.

If you are throwing shade on Selmon and his leadership ability, you probably need to pay better attention to what's going on

[Todd4State]

Problem is…we have a fan base and boosters that concern themselves with baseball waaaaaaaay too much. State doesn’t have the money to split resources and still be competitive at football.

That's a MSU problem. It is MSU's job to promote every sport. And yes we do have the money to "split resources" and I say that with quotations because football already gets much more as it is.

Because why do MSU fans care about baseball? It comes down to the quality MSU puts into it. Get the best coach and get the best stadium. Involve fans into it. What has football always done? "Oh we can't compete". "We have to be different". "We need a coach that can outscheme people like Dan or Leach because we can't recruit". That's the problem. Not baseball. The old MSU administration was the one saying we couldn't and that NIL was a fad. That's the root reason why MSU didn't embrace it.

[Todd4State]

An outsider. Non-MSU guy. Agreed.

Bingo!

[DownwardDawg]

If you are throwing shade on Selmon and his leadership ability, you probably need to pay better attention to what's going on

I clearly stated he's an upgrade, but we have a long way to go.

[Pancho]

keenum was asleep at 9 pm

[basedog]

If you are throwing shade on Selmon and his leadership ability, you probably need to pay better attention to what's going on

Well stated, most on ED have not a clue about Selman and the work he has put in with the mess he inherited for many years! I know someone who knows the job he has done, but yet again ED posters love to pile on w/o a clue.

[Pancho]

Selmon is not the problem

[Coursesuper]

Problem is…we have a fan base and boosters that concern themselves with baseball waaaaaaaay too much. State doesn’t have the money to split resources and still be competitive at football.

This is just a complete bullshit narrative today. If you had payed attention when Lemo was fired you would drop this argument. Baseball past the Cohen influence era is a very different thing. That program will not have to pull resources from football funding for the foreseeable future.

[Coursesuper]

Well stated, most on ED have not a clue about Selman and the work he has put in with the mess he inherited for many years! I know someone who knows the job he has done, but yet again ED posters love to pile on w/o a clue.

They have no idea how things actually work. They have no idea how we actually got into this situation and how far we’ve come trying to free ourselves from it.

[basedog]

They have no idea how things actually work. They have no idea how we actually got into this situation and how far we’ve come trying to free ourselves from it.

I agree, some on here will never be happy!

[PGHBulldogBG]

Selmon may be doing a great job with certain behind the scenes stuff. I am not informed enough to comment on that, but if what people are saying who have inside knowledge is true, then that is great. What I do know for a fact is that he failed on getting the best coach that was available during his coaching search. Instead of hiring Cignetti when he had the chance, he hired a coach from his former school with no head coaching experience. I am not even in the fire Lebby crowd yet, but this was a major epic fail on Selmons part. His number 1 job is to hire the best coach available that would want our job and he did not do that. As I have mentioned, I am not from Mississippi and do not have connections that most do, but I know for a fact Cignetti would?ve taken our job in 2023 if offered. Now, I think Mark Cubans money is keeping him at IU long term and he may have left us after this year for a blue blood job, but we would not be in this bad of a position if Selmon hired him when he should?ve done so.

[BB30]

Selmon may be doing a great job with certain behind the scenes stuff. I am not informed enough to comment on that, but if what people are saying who have inside knowledge is true, then that is great. What I do know for a fact is that he failed on getting the best coach that was available during his coaching search. Instead of hiring Cignetti when he had the chance, he hired a coach from his former school with no head coaching experience. I am not even in the fire Lebby crowd yet, but this was a major epic fail on Selmons part. His number 1 job is to hire the best coach available that would want our job and he did not do that. As I have mentioned, I am not from Mississippi and do not have connections that most do, but I know for a fact Cignetti would?ve taken our job in 2023 if offered. Now, I think Mark Cubans money is keeping him at IU long term and he may have left us after this year for a blue blood job, but we would not be in this bad of a position if Selmon hired him when he should?ve done so.

Dude had we hired Cignetti every state fan on this forum would have been pissed. His name was never even mentioned in our coaching search and I don't remember his name floating around for any jobs. Indiana found a gem.

Only way we continue to get out of this hole is to continue throwing more and more resources at it and get back to being competitive and showing we are willing to get serious about NIL if that doesn't happen it will not matter who's on the sidelines.

[MBDawg601]

Leave it to State fans to let last night ruin their day today.

Get over it, Ole Miss is going to win the natty, nothing we could have done to change that. Good for them, we need to keep improving and hope we can match their energy going forward. I think some of you enjoy being miserable to be honest.

[Pancho]

Selmon may be doing a great job with certain behind the scenes stuff. I am not informed enough to comment on that, but if what people are saying who have inside knowledge is true, then that is great. What I do know for a fact is that he failed on getting the best coach that was available during his coaching search. Instead of hiring Cignetti when he had the chance, he hired a coach from his former school with no head coaching experience. I am not even in the fire Lebby crowd yet, but this was a major epic fail on Selmons part. His number 1 job is to hire the best coach available that would want our job and he did not do that. As I have mentioned, I am not from Mississippi and do not have connections that most do, but I know for a fact Cignetti would?ve taken our job in 2023 if offered. Now, I think Mark Cubans money is keeping him at IU long term and he may have left us after this year for a blue blood job, but we would not be in this bad of a position if Selmon hired him when he should?ve done so.

Cig was hired 3 years ago. Lebby was hired 2 years ago.

[smootness]

Had a watch party and watched this game together tonight. I hope they got to see that fanbase from Mississippi take over the Superdome and get all this media love. I hope they are pissed off and miserable like our fanbase is.

Not sure either has the leadership ability to do anything about it though.

How about?do not let this make you miserable? Enjoy your life.

[DownwardDawg]

This is just a complete bullshit narrative today. If you had payed attention when Lemo was fired you would drop this argument. Baseball past the Cohen influence era is a very different thing. That program will not have to pull resources from football funding for the foreseeable future.

People really struggle to understand this.

[DownwardDawg]

How about?do not let this make you miserable? Enjoy your life.

Oh it's very short lived. It was over about 2 minutes after the game. I'm a sports fan. Fan is short for fanatic just FYI. We tend to get very high and low. Thank goodness I have pretty much accepted the fact that we will never be competitive in this era again. I will watch our games but mostly wait for baseball season where the school I attended has a chance at winning the whole thing.

[DownwardDawg]

Leave it to State fans to let last night ruin their day today.

Get over it, Ole Miss is going to win the natty, nothing we could have done to change that. Good for them, we need to keep improving and hope we can match their energy going forward. I think some of you enjoy being miserable to be honest.

Bro, this thread was sooooooo last night. Right after the game. If you weren't pissed about them winning right when the game ended then you aren't a State fan at all. Today I just now checked the board for the first time at 1:30 pm. Spent all morning enjoying my family. I was miserable for 30 seconds last night.

[HancockCountyDog]

Had a watch party and watched this game together tonight. I hope they got to see that fanbase from Mississippi take over the Superdome and get all this media love. I hope they are pissed off and miserable like our fanbase is.

Not sure either has the leadership ability to do anything about it though.

One thing I have learned from their success. They started to get successful once they stopped giving a shit about us. Kiffin didn't care about the egg bowl. He didn't give a shit about instate recruiting and seeing who gets more of the ten most wanted in-state recruits. He didn't care, he cared about building a team to make the playoffs.

What is hilarious is that the team that he actually built for the playoffs was last year's team. The longer we give a shit about what they are doing, the more and more likely we are going to become Oregon State to their Oregon.

If we wasted one damn minute worrying about them when we need to rebuild our roster, that would piss me off. We have a playoff caliber QB. Surround him with talent and figure it the hell out.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well stated, most on ED have not a clue about Selman and the work he has put in with the mess he inherited for many years! I know someone who knows the job he has done, but yet again ED posters love to pile on w/o a clue.

I've told people for two years how bad it was when Selmon got here. He legit almost quit a few times the first few weeks because we were so antiquated in the athletic dept. We had people making 6 figure salaries that weren't doing the job they were paid, very well btw, to do. Some of the Poor Ole's got mad that he was taking access away from their friends, but they got over it. That's how you operate an athletic dept. That's how Byrne, and to a lesser extent, Stricklin ran the athletic dept so well when they were here. They paid people well because they knew they were great at what they did. Cohen played favorites and just gave titles and raises to people who had no clue what they were doing.

[basedog]

I've told people for two years how bad it was when Selmon got here. He legit almost quit a few times the first few weeks because we were so antiquated in the athletic dept. We had people making 6 figure salaries that weren't doing the job they were paid, very well btw, to do. Some of the Poor Ole's got mad that he was taking access away from their friends, but they got over it. That's how you operate an athletic dept. That's how Byrne, and to a lesser extent, Stricklin ran the athletic dept so well when they were here. They paid people well because they knew they were great at what they did. Cohen played favorites and just gave titles and raises to people who had no clue what they were doing.

Selmon was shocked how many were getting paid doing nothing. We r much better now days but we still have a ways to go. I'm hoping what i was told that a hige donation will be coming to the athletic department. Not sure when or even this still is going to happen.

[BeardoMSU]

One thing I have learned from their success. They started to get successful once they stopped giving a shit about us. Kiffin didn't care about the egg bowl. He didn't give a shit about instate recruiting and seeing who gets more of the ten most wanted in-state recruits. He didn't care, he cared about building a team to make the playoffs.

What is hilarious is that the team that he actually built for the playoffs was last year's team. The longer we give a shit about what they are doing, the more and more likely we are going to become Oregon State to their Oregon.

If we wasted one damn minute worrying about them when we need to rebuild our roster, that would piss me off. We have a playoff caliber QB. Surround him with talent and figure it the hell out.

Imagine Keenum not caring about OM, lol...

[StarkVegasSteve]

Selmon was shocked how many were getting paid doing nothing. We r much better now days but we still have a ways to go. I'm hoping what i was told that a hige donation will be coming to the athletic department. Not sure when or even this still is going to happen.

It's happening and we're working on another big one as well.

[basedog]

It's happening and we're working on another big one as well.

Hope it happens soon. Giving 100 million(plus) a few times would work.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hope it happens soon. Giving 100 million(plus) a few times would work.

I don't know that we'll ever get that type of check, but we're working on a couple of really big ones that would dwarf anything we've ever received.

[Ranchdawg]

To me the Selmon AD has only one metric to measure Selmon by in football is we have won 1 (repeat) 1 sec football game in two seasons. That is pitiful!

Y?all can message all the excuses you want. The athletic dept. was recovering from Cohen. Our coach died. We don?t have nil. We don?t have enough billionaires. We don?t have all out fan support. Fan base should give more. NEVER say anything negative about our athletic dept. I could go on and on.

The bottom line is wins and losses and we have been losing way too much. And the buck stops at Selmon?s desk. Period! End of discussion.

Until our administration opts for hiring real football coaches and getting SEC caliber players then Selmon is a failure.

Edited to say that is why these administrators are paid to figure this out.

[Rawdawg]

To me the Selmon AD has only one metric to measure Selmon by in football is we have won 1 (repeat) 1 sec football game in two seasons. That is pitiful!

Y?all can message all the excuses you want. The athletic dept. was recovering from Cohen. Our coach died. We don?t have nil. We don?t have enough billionaires. We don?t have all out fan support. Fan base should give more. NEVER say anything negative about our athletic dept. I could go on and on.

The bottom line is wins and losses and we have been losing way too much. And the buck stops at Selmon?s desk. Period! End of discussion.

Until our administration opts for hiring real football coaches and getting SEC caliber players then Selmon is a failure.

Edited to say that is why these administrators are paid to figure this out.

Wins and losses are directly tied to funding and an athletic directors job is to raise funds. And to get real coaches and SEC caliber players you have to have money.

[Ranchdawg]

Wins and losses are directly tied to funding and an athletic directors job is to raise funds. And to get real coaches and SEC caliber players you have to have money.

This is true! But that is the reason athletic directors are paid to figure this out. And instill winning! Have we won anything in football under Selmon?

[DownwardDawg]

One thing I have learned from their success. They started to get successful once they stopped giving a shit about us. Kiffin didn't care about the egg bowl. He didn't give a shit about instate recruiting and seeing who gets more of the ten most wanted in-state recruits. He didn't care, he cared about building a team to make the playoffs.

What is hilarious is that the team that he actually built for the playoffs was last year's team. The longer we give a shit about what they are doing, the more and more likely we are going to become Oregon State to their Oregon.

If we wasted one damn minute worrying about them when we need to rebuild our roster, that would piss me off. We have a playoff caliber QB. Surround him with talent and figure it the hell out.

Excellent point and great post.

[msudawg1200]

Cig was hired 3 years ago. Lebby was hired 2 years ago.

Lebby was hired on November 26, 2023, while Cignetti was hired at IU on November 30, 2023

[Coursesuper]

To me the Selmon AD has only one metric to measure Selmon by in football is we have won 1 (repeat) 1 sec football game in two seasons. That is pitiful!

Y?all can message all the excuses you want. The athletic dept. was recovering from Cohen. Our coach died. We don?t have nil. We don?t have enough billionaires. We don?t have all out fan support. Fan base should give more. NEVER say anything negative about our athletic dept. I could go on and on.

The bottom line is wins and losses and we have been losing way too much. And the buck stops at Selmon?s desk. Period! End of discussion.

Until our administration opts for hiring real football coaches and getting SEC caliber players then Selmon is a failure.

Edited to say that is why these administrators are paid to figure this out.

You are making some very simplistic assumptions here. Problem is it’s not that simple and so many more people and variables are involved. If it was as simple as you postulate then it would be simple to solve and we wouldn’t be where we are. This is why context is crucial and you’re missing it.

[Ranchdawg]

I politely disagree it is that simple. Winning cures our problems. Winning excites the fan base thus more people are willing to give more and if money is the only cure then explain Texas, Texas Tech and Indiana.

[Rawdawg]

I politely disagree it is that simple. Winning cures our problems. Winning excites the fan base thus more people are willing to give more and if money is the only cure then explain Texas, Texas Tech and Indiana.

A billionaire oil tycoon funded Texas Tech?s roster.

Mark Cuban wrote a check to Indiana athletics.

Texas has more billionaire alumni than any other school in the country, and were in the playoff last year.


What on earth are you even talking about?

[deltadawg63]

Excellent post DownwardDawg. My only hope from their success is that it motivates our leadership and fanbase to work and strategize even harder to improve and better MSU and nothing else! I have witnessed, experienced and achieved in my business world that increased competition has only made me and my business work harder and become better!

[Brobi-wan]

I politely disagree it is that simple. Winning cures our problems. Winning excites the fan base thus more people are willing to give more and if money is the only cure then explain Texas, Texas Tech and Indiana.

Tech was in the playoff. I’m a bit confused by this one. Texas was a mid big ten school and, since they’ve been allowed to pay people, they have done pretty well in the big bad SEC as well.

[MBDawg601]

Bro, this thread was sooooooo last night. Right after the game. If you weren't pissed about them winning right when the game ended then you aren't a State fan at all. Today I just now checked the board for the first time at 1:30 pm. Spent all morning enjoying my family. I was miserable for 30 seconds last night.

Really didn?t care that they won or if they would have lost.

My life doesn?t revolve around Ole Miss sports. Sorry brother.

[DownwardDawg]

Excellent post DownwardDawg. My only hope from their success is that it motivates our leadership and fanbase to work and strategize even harder to improve and better MSU and nothing else! I have witnessed, experienced and achieved in my business world that increased competition has only made me and my business work harder and become better!

This is all I want. When we hired Mullen that's what changed their trajectory. They fired Nutt and hired the cheater Hugh because we were winning too much. It's competition that drives change.

[Pancho]

Lebby was hired on November 26, 2023, while Cignetti was hired at IU on November 30, 2023

oops. he would sure be an upgrade