As I have told you multiple times

[Coach34]

Mississippi has personnel in place to insure they keep winning. They have spent millions on guys that scout and gameplan. They have spent almost twice in 2025 what we have spent. You get what you pay for

[maroonmania]

Well, apparently they spent more than Georgia.

[Coach34]

They were close. We however spent about half what they did

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Well, apparently they spent more than Georgia.

Ole Miss is definitely better at QB and OC than UGA.

[mparkerfd20]

If this doesn't wake our boosters up nothing ever will.

[Todd4State]

Hoping that NIL was a "fad" and "going away" was the dumbest thing and probably the worst thing Cohen has ever done.

[Todd4State]

If this doesn't wake our boosters up nothing ever will.

That's right.

[HoopsDawg]

Mississippi has personnel in place to insure they keep winning. They have spent millions on guys that scout and gameplan. They have spent almost twice in 2025 what we have spent. You get what you pay for

Right now theres no way to make a definitive statement like this. They are about to lose 6 coaches to LSU. Golding is Steve Fisher.

[HoopsDawg]

Hoping that NIL was a "fad" and "going away" was the dumbest thing and probably the worst thing Cohen has ever done.

Every one knew NIL was a gamechanger except for Cohen, Paul Jones and Keenum.

[maroonmania]

Ole Miss is definitely better at QB and OC than UGA.

And Kicker. GA kicker was short on his 55 yarder. All of the OM kicker's kicks would have been good from 60.

[Todd4State]

Every one knew NIL was a gamechanger except for Cohen, Paul Jones and Keenum.

Paul Jones? I didn't expect him to catch shade there.

[HoopsDawg]

Paul Jones? I didn't expect him to catch shade there.

Yes. I never joined his new site. But I remember when he was on Genespage. Dude thought it was a non issue. Posted about it nearly every day.

[Bothrops]

Mississippi has personnel in place to insure they keep winning. They have spent millions on guys that scout and gameplan. They have spent almost twice in 2025 what we have spent. You get what you pay for

They've won football in Mississippi. It's already done. We will never sniff where they are right now. Even with a 200ft ladder. Just have to live with this shit and find a way to deal with it.

[EdwardDrayton]

They've won football in Mississippi. It's already done. We will never sniff where they are right now. Even with a 200ft ladder. Just have to live with this shit and find a way to deal with it.

We will always have frisbee golf.

[Bothrops]

We will always have frisbee golf.

We do?

[Coach34]

Why did they find a QB like Trenidad? Because they have many more scouts and front office people than we do viewing film and networking. We just dont have the manpower they do for that kind of stuff. They had 5MM more in staff than we did for 2025. Thats just staff. We are not even to NIL or coaching.

We are at the literal bottom of the P4 in funding. Our program is back to 1978 right now in the current landscape of college football

[Todd4State]

Why did they find a QB like Trenidad? Because they have many more scouts and front office people than we do viewing film and networking. We just dont have the manpower they do for that kind of stuff. They had 5MM more in staff than we did for 2025. Thats just staff. We are not even to NIL or coaching.

We are at the literal bottom of the P4 in funding. Our program is back to 1978 right now in the current landscape of college football

I know that we are working to improve that. And what you are talking about is a big reason why I mention their scouting department going to LSU.

It absolutely does take money you are 100% correct on that. But if you have a bad scouting dept that can't identify talent and then recruit it the money does you no good.

[Todd4State]

Yes. I never joined his new site. But I remember when he was on Genespage. Dude thought it was a non issue. Posted about it nearly every day.

Ah. I don't remember that but I believe you. I didn't join the new site either.

[Dawgface]

Mississippi has personnel in place to insure they keep winning. They have spent millions on guys that scout and gameplan. They have spent almost twice in 2025 what we have spent. You get what you pay for

Apparently they have wealthy boosters that are into college football. Not hard to figure out.

[Santiago]

They also don't opine for the days of the 90's and to revert back to those offenses when they are actually winning.

Hopefully we are moving forward now, and I am thankful for Selmon.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If this doesn't wake our boosters up nothing ever will.

Some of our boosters are too worried about what baseball team is going to tweet at them for feeding them to worry about trivial things like caring about the sport that pays for everything else on campus.

[Coursesuper]

Hoping that NIL was a "fad" and "going away" was the dumbest thing and probably the worst thing Cohen has ever done.

This single fact makes him the worst AD since Dudy Noble. If that was just his only real 17 up which it wasn?t.

[Coursesuper]

We made our bed in 2016. We absolutely did this to ourselves when we had the chance to get it right and hire a professional for the AD spot. But in true Missippy Tate fashion we in fought and screwed each other over for influence and got a rank ass amateur. Looking backwards instead of ahead. And here we sit in our usual position of playing catch up. And lo and behold we’re still as divided and factional as ever. We will never figure out that we are Mississippi State, all of us are. We will never figure this fact out and will continue to suffer the consequences. Lafayette County and the surrounding area will continue to boom and we will continue to struggle. If any of you were actually paying attention to the real issues you would see this. But you would rather separate yourself in to one camp or another and miss all the facts. Welcome to the reality Mother 17ers.

[msugolf]

We made our bed in 2016. We absolutely did this to ourselves when we had the chance to get it right and hire a professional for the AD spot. But in true Missippy Tate fashion we in fought and screwed each other over for influence and got a rank ass amateur. Looking backwards instead of ahead. And here we sit in our usual position of playing catch up. And lo and behold we’re still as divided and factional as ever. We will never figure out that we are Mississippi State, all of us are. We will never figure this fact out and will continue to suffer the consequences. Lafayette County and the surrounding area will continue to boom and we will continue to struggle. If any of you were actually paying attention to the real issues you would see this. But you would rather separate yourself in to one camp or another and miss all the facts. Welcome to the reality Mother 17ers.

BINGO

[Coach34]

We made our bed in 2016. We absolutely did this to ourselves when we had the chance to get it right and hire a professional for the AD spot. But in true Missippy Tate fashion we in fought and screwed each other over for influence and got a rank ass amateur. Looking backwards instead of ahead. And here we sit in our usual position of playing catch up. And lo and behold we’re still as divided and factional as ever. We will never figure out that we are Mississippi State, all of us are. We will never figure this fact out and will continue to suffer the consequences. Lafayette County and the surrounding area will continue to boom and we will continue to struggle. If any of you were actually paying attention to the real issues you would see this. But you would rather separate yourself in to one camp or another and miss all the facts. Welcome to the reality Mother 17ers.

Well said.

[Todd4State]

We made our bed in 2016. We absolutely did this to ourselves when we had the chance to get it right and hire a professional for the AD spot. But in true Missippy Tate fashion we in fought and screwed each other over for influence and got a rank ass amateur. Looking backwards instead of ahead. And here we sit in our usual position of playing catch up. And lo and behold we’re still as divided and factional as ever. We will never figure out that we are Mississippi State, all of us are. We will never figure this fact out and will continue to suffer the consequences. Lafayette County and the surrounding area will continue to boom and we will continue to struggle. If any of you were actually paying attention to the real issues you would see this. But you would rather separate yourself in to one camp or another and miss all the facts. Welcome to the reality Mother 17ers.

The only thing we can do is fix it in the present. It sucks but that's all we can control.

[Coursesuper]

Well said.

The truth of our situation sux. Nothing will substantially change until we un17 ourselves. Prime example is this place yesterday and today, no clue yet completely convinced by our own ignorance. I for one hold out little hope for us.

[Really Clark?]

They also don't opine for the days of the 90's and to revert back to those offenses when they are actually winning.

Hopefully we are moving forward now, and I am thankful for Selmon.

Actually it's this thinking that hurts the fan base and program moving forward. Ole Miss will buy in lock step for a triple option guy because they believe in their brand, school and superiority and give that guy the resources to compete. In the end even if they don't care for a particular offense or defense and nitpick the actual games as we do, they put all of that BS aside to pull in one direction. That is what helps make a successful program from the fans and boosters. We were close with Jackie and Mullen. You are the same as the ones you are complaining about in the abstract with this post, btw.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Now Ole Miss has a chance to win the first football national championship in school history. Hope Miami whips their ass.

[Offshore Dawg]

We made our bed in 2016. We absolutely did this to ourselves when we had the chance to get it right and hire a professional for the AD spot. But in true Missippy Tate fashion we in fought and screwed each other over for influence and got a rank ass amateur. Looking backwards instead of ahead. And here we sit in our usual position of playing catch up. And lo and behold we’re still as divided and factional as ever. We will never figure out that we are Mississippi State, all of us are. We will never figure this fact out and will continue to suffer the consequences. Lafayette County and the surrounding area will continue to boom and we will continue to struggle. If any of you were actually paying attention to the real issues you would see this. But you would rather separate yourself in to one camp or another and miss all the facts. Welcome to the reality Mother 17ers.

This is the reality that some would not get even if slapped in the face with it. State has always had too many different factions pulling in different directions. All Dawg fans but want things their way.

[Todd4State]

Actually it's this thinking that hurts the fan base and program moving forward. Ole Miss will buy in lock step for a triple option guy because they believe in their brand, school and superiority and give that guy the resources to compete. In the end even if they don't care for a particular offense or defense and nitpick the actual games as we do, they put all of that BS aside to pull in one direction. That is what helps make a successful program from the fans and boosters. We were close with Jackie and Mullen. You are the same as the ones you are complaining about in the abstract with this post, btw.

Part of that is because they have offenses that score a ton of points. It's hard to complain about that no matter how you do it.

Another part of it is they have always valued recruiting over scheme whereas MSU has often times been more about hiring a coaching guru like Leach to "do more with less". You can win that way but there is a ceiling there too when you do that. And Dan and Leach pretty much hit that ceiling.

When they lose a recruit they melt. MSU on the other hand- "we don't care about stars by names".

[Todd4State]

This is the reality that some would not get even if slapped in the face with it. State has always had too many different factions pulling in different directions. All Dawg fans but want things their way.

Yeah! "We won 75-0 but we threw the ball more than we should."

[BeardoMSU]

Part of that is because they have offenses that score a ton of points. It's hard to complain about that no matter how you do it.

Another part of it is they have always valued recruiting over scheme whereas MSU has often times been more about hiring a coaching guru like Leach to "do more with less". You can win that way but there is a ceiling there too when you do that. And Dan and Leach pretty much hit that ceiling.

When they lose a recruit they melt. MSU on the other hand- "we don't care about stars by names".

I'll push back on Dan hitting our ceiling, Todd. He may have hit HIS ceiling, due to lazy recruiting and job shopping, but one could easily make a case he left plenty meat on the bone here. Hell, had he stayed just 1 more year, 2018 what would our perceived ceiling be now?

[Coursesuper]

Part of that is because they have offenses that score a ton of points. It's hard to complain about that no matter how you do it.

Another part of it is they have always valued recruiting over scheme whereas MSU has often times been more about hiring a coaching guru like Leach to "do more with less". You can win that way but there is a ceiling there too when you do that. And Dan and Leach pretty much hit that ceiling.

When they lose a recruit they melt. MSU on the other hand- "we don't care about stars by names".

Stop, step back and try to see the larger picture. The emphasis comes from the booster class first and foremost. The confederates boosters have for the most part been in line together and now they have excellent leadership and have put in place their guys to do the day to day work while backing them up financially. We on the other hand have been divided mostly along geographic lines in the past and now. But the thing they get more than anything else is they saw that football is an economic engine for the university and the local economy. They saw it as an investment and have spent accordingly, it’s not about what’s happening on the field first to make it happen it’s about being together to lay the groundwork for success. From what I can gather we are making these steps. I hope it’s not too late and we are too far behind.

[Santiago]

Actually it's this thinking that hurts the fan base and program moving forward. Ole Miss will buy in lock step for a triple option guy because they believe in their brand, school and superiority and give that guy the resources to compete. In the end even if they don't care for a particular offense or defense and nitpick the actual games as we do, they put all of that BS aside to pull in one direction. That is what helps make a successful program from the fans and boosters. We were close with Jackie and Mullen. You are the same as the ones you are complaining about in the abstract with this post, btw.

How is that so?
Your post and mine are saying the exact same thing.

[BankerDog]

Stop, step back and try to see the larger picture. The emphasis comes from the booster class first and foremost. The confederates boosters have for the most part been in line together and now they have excellent leadership and have put in place their guys to do the day to day work while backing them up financially. We on the other hand have been divided mostly along geographic lines in the past and now. But the thing they get more than anything else is they saw that football is an economic engine for the university and the local economy. They saw it as an investment and have spent accordingly, it?s not about what?s happening on the field first to make it happen it?s about being together to lay the groundwork for success. From what I can gather we are making these steps. I hope it?s not too late and we are too far behind.

They have made it cool to give to NIL, to come back to Oxford, to pay players, etc. meanwhile we bitch about paying players or bitch about the ones who actually use their money to pay players while the ones bitching do not give. And we bitch about turn lanes on 12, what offense to run.

We still have people thinking you can win using the juco route. Our fans aren?t realistic as to what it takes and don?t care to. They just want to bitch and have champagne taste on keystone budgets. Would rather win in baseball then win in football and basketball.

[confucius say]

Is there a way to bookmark a thread?

[StarkVegasSteve]

They have made it cool to give to NIL, to come back to Oxford, to pay players, etc. meanwhile we bitch about paying players or bitch about the ones who actually use their money to pay players while the ones bitching do not give. And we bitch about turn lanes on 12, what offense to run.

We still have people thinking you can win using the juco route. Our fans aren?t realistic as to what it takes and don?t care to. They just want to bitch and have champagne taste on keystone budgets. Would rather win in baseball then win in football and basketball.

We have people who to this day still think this is all going away and it'll go back to how it was prior to July 1, 2021.

[Coursesuper]

They have made it cool to give to NIL, to come back to Oxford, to pay players, etc. meanwhile we bitch about paying players or bitch about the ones who actually use their money to pay players while the ones bitching do not give. And we bitch about turn lanes on 12, what offense to run.

We still have people thinking you can win using the juco route. Our fans aren?t realistic as to what it takes and don?t care to. They just want to bitch and have champagne taste on keystone budgets. Would rather win in baseball then win in football and basketball.

This sadly true.

[Coursesuper]

We have people who to this day still think this is all going away and it'll go back to how it was prior to July 1, 2021.

Pathetic isn’t it.

[TheLostDawg]

Right now theres no way to make a definitive statement like this. They are about to lose 6 coaches to LSU. Golding is Steve Fisher.

This. That offense is going to LSU. They promoted the wrong coach. Sure they'll continue to be successful if they keep putting money in but to think they maintain where they are this year, that's somewhat delusional.

[TheLostDawg]

I know that we are working to improve that. And what you are talking about is a big reason why I mention their scouting department going to LSU.

It absolutely does take money you are 100% correct on that. But if you have a bad scouting dept that can't identify talent and then recruit it the money does you no good.

This

[Todd4State]

I'll push back on Dan hitting our ceiling, Todd. He may have hit HIS ceiling, due to lazy recruiting and job shopping, but one could easily make a case he left plenty meat on the bone here. Hell, had he stayed just 1 more year, 2018 what would our perceived ceiling be now?

I don't disagree that he hit his ceiling but the way he did things it wasn't going to go beyond that. It's kind of chicken and egg to me. Dan hit his ceiling because of his recruiting which also means that doing it that way also meant we hit that ceiling as well. It does not however mean that Dan's ceiling is MSU football's ceiling.

No one knows how 2018 would have gone with Dan. He could very well have checked out and squandered everything as well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't disagree that he hit his ceiling but the way he did things it wasn't going to go beyond that. It's kind of chicken and egg to me. Dan hit his ceiling because of his recruiting which also means that doing it that way also meant we hit that ceiling as well. It does not however mean that Dan's ceiling is MSU football's ceiling.

No one knows how 2018 would have gone with Dan. He could very well have checked out and squandered everything as well.

I can run through that season pretty well:

SFA-Easy W
@K-State-Uncomfortably close but a W
La Lafayette-Easy W
@Kentucky-Probably uncomfortable but I think we win. I also could see us lose a close one like we did in 16.
Florida-We win a close-ish one
Auburn-Probably the same score because we ran Dan's offense
@LSU-I still don't think we win this game. I think it's a close loss. This is the one that everyone has always said we win with Dan and I just always push back on that. I still think we lose either this one or UK.
A&M-We basically ran Dan's offense and won.
La Tech-Probably closer than it would need to be but a W
@Bama-We lose
Arky-Easy W
OM-Closer than it would need to be because Dan would be searching for another job, probably Miami or Ohio St, but we would win.


I think we're probably 10-2. So we would've been a game better.

[Really Clark?]

How is that so?
Your post and mine are saying the exact same thing.

You still in the mind set it's about the offense and an us against them mindset inside the fan base and booster factions. And I'm not saying it's not ok to have a preference I'm saying we let that override the overall goal, pull together no matter what and be in line with what we need to do to put together a great program. The closest we ever came was under Jackie and Mullen as being somewhat cohesive as one. Buy in has to happen with whoever we have as coach and offense they run. The offense they run is secondary. Everyone buys in as one, pulls the same direction without running their own agenda...scheme is secondary. Hell winning at the beginning is secondary to being completely sold out as one program, one NIL, one fanbase. They culled Lane and uplifted Petey so fast we call them delusional. We never do that. We can't even be excited as one on the first day of a hire. We still have many who hate NIL to the point of not giving. They have those who hate to be writing checks to have to support the NIL, but they send it in religiously because they are told to and know if you want wins, this is what it takes.

[BigDawg81]

I mean … you always said Kamario was not starting vs Ole Miss.

[Coursesuper]

You still in the mind set it's about the offense and an us against them mindset inside the fan base and booster factions. And I'm not saying it's not ok to have a preference I'm saying we let that override the overall goal, pull together no matter what and be in line with what we need to do to put together a great program. The closest we ever came was under Jackie and Mullen as being somewhat cohesive as one. Buy in has to happen with whoever we have as coach and offense they run. The offense they run is secondary. Everyone buys in as one, pulls the same direction without running their own agenda...scheme is secondary. Hell winning at the beginning is secondary to being completely sold out as one program, one NIL, one fanbase. They culled Lane and uplifted Petey so fast we call them delusional. We never do that. We can't even be excited as one on the first day of a hire. We still have many who hate NIL to the point of not giving. They have those who hate to be writing checks to have to support the NIL, but they send it in religiously because they are told to and know if you want wins, this is what it takes.

Preach it brother.

[Santiago]

You still in the mind set it's about the offense and an us against them mindset inside the fan base and booster factions. And I'm not saying it's not ok to have a preference I'm saying we let that override the overall goal, pull together no matter what and be in line with what we need to do to put together a great program. The closest we ever came was under Jackie and Mullen as being somewhat cohesive as one. Buy in has to happen with whoever we have as coach and offense they run. The offense they run is secondary. Everyone buys in as one, pulls the same direction without running their own agenda...scheme is secondary. Hell winning at the beginning is secondary to being completely sold out as one program, one NIL, one fanbase. They culled Lane and uplifted Petey so fast we call them delusional. We never do that. We can't even be excited as one on the first day of a hire. We still have many who hate NIL to the point of not giving. They have those who hate to be writing checks to have to support the NIL, but they send it in religiously because they are told to and know if you want wins, this is what it takes.

No I am not in that mindset, nor a preference. You are making some rather large leap if you think I have any agenda.
I was referring to how even when we were winning, there were on here some not happy unless we RTDF. To me winning is winning, no matter how it gets done. Zero preference to me.

We had some really poor leadership decisions in the recent decade, so that was the point.
Anything you are assuming otherwise is your own personal assumption it seems.
Comparing to another school that pulls the same direction is because while we had a faction pining for "Blue Collar" and "RTDF" they were focused on the future.

Heck we are just now seeing a logo on the helmet, that our leadership for years lied about.

I like what Selmon is doing and getting us there.
My point, for any group to pull the same direction is the trust the leadership is likewise doing whatever it takes. It seems we are getting there somewhat, and overcoming several years of some screwups.

[Really Clark?]

No I am not in that mindset, nor a preference. You are making some rather large leap if you think I have any agenda.
I was referring to how even when we were winning, there were on here some not happy unless we RTDF. To me winning is winning, no matter how it gets done. Zero preference to me.

We had some really poor leadership decisions in the recent decade, so that was the point.
Anything you are assuming otherwise is your own personal assumption it seems.
Comparing to another school that pulls the same direction is because while we were focused on "Blue Collar" and "RTDF" they were focused on the future.

I like what Selmon is doing and getting us there.

Maybe so. But I think you are missing the other side of what I'm saying. You think it's just the ones who wish for an old smash mouth style of offense as an issue. I know multiple that were only invested in Mike Leach or only invested because they have some place at the table. When Mike died they left the table. When those lost a place at the table they took their ball and went home. Or the ones who pushed in Cohen. It's more of those types, way more, than those who wish we would run the ball more. Many of the run the ball types gave during Leach and still do.

[Coach34]

Some of you really misunderstood my problem with the Airbone. It wasn’t that we threw the ball so much as it was how we threw the ball. Every game became us vs the Drop 8 Defense and then we would throw check down after check down to the RB. Your RB leading the team in receptions with over 100 was ridiculous.

I love Kiffin’s O and they throw it around. Indiana’s O is good. Throwing the ball is fine. 300 dump off passes to RB’s every season was just awful to watch

[Dawgface]

Some of you really misunderstood my problem with the Airbone. It wasn’t that we threw the ball so much as it was how we threw the ball. Every game became us vs the Drop 8 Defense and then we would throw check down after check down to the RB. Your RB leading the team in receptions with over 100 was ridiculous.

I love Kiffin’s O and they throw it around. Indiana’s O is good. Throwing the ball is fine. 300 dump off passes to RB’s every season was just awful to watch
True. I would much rather watch a 2-10 team throwing the ball over the field.

[MBDawg601]

Some of you really misunderstood my problem with the Airbone. It wasn’t that we threw the ball so much as it was how we threw the ball. Every game became us vs the Drop 8 Defense and then we would throw check down after check down to the RB. Your RB leading the team in receptions with over 100 was ridiculous.

I love Kiffin’s O and they throw it around. Indiana’s O is good. Throwing the ball is fine. 300 dump off passes to RB’s every season was just awful to watch

To be fair a lot of that had to do with the arm talent we had at QB.

[confucius say]

You still in the mind set it's about the offense and an us against them mindset inside the fan base and booster factions. And I'm not saying it's not ok to have a preference I'm saying we let that override the overall goal, pull together no matter what and be in line with what we need to do to put together a great program. The closest we ever came was under Jackie and Mullen as being somewhat cohesive as one. Buy in has to happen with whoever we have as coach and offense they run. The offense they run is secondary. Everyone buys in as one, pulls the same direction without running their own agenda...scheme is secondary. Hell winning at the beginning is secondary to being completely sold out as one program, one NIL, one fanbase. They culled Lane and uplifted Petey so fast we call them delusional. We never do that. We can't even be excited as one on the first day of a hire. We still have many who hate NIL to the point of not giving. They have those who hate to be writing checks to have to support the NIL, but they send it in religiously because they are told to and know if you want wins, this is what it takes.

They weren't united under Matt Luke.
Or O. Or even cutcliff after one bad year.
Unity happens when a team wins.
Let Pete go 7-5 next year and that unity will fall apart. They will be calling staff changes. Do it again in 2027 and they will want him gone.

[MBDawg601]

They weren't united under Matt Luke.
Or O. Or even cutcliff after one bad year.
Unity happens when a team wins.
Let Pete go 7-5 next year and that unity will fall apart. They will be calling staff changes. Do it again in 2027 and they will want him gone.

Kiffin has been building that program for 6 years, people acting like Kiffin leaving will not have an impact sound just like the Ole Miss homers.

[Matt3467]

Some of you really misunderstood my problem with the Airbone. It wasn’t that we threw the ball so much as it was how we threw the ball. Every game became us vs the Drop 8 Defense and then we would throw check down after check down to the RB. Your RB leading the team in receptions with over 100 was ridiculous.

I love Kiffin’s O and they throw it around. Indiana’s O is good. Throwing the ball is fine. 300 dump off passes to RB’s every season was just awful to watch

Does it matter who leads in receptions if we still win more than we lose?

[Really Clark?]

They weren't united under Matt Luke.
Or O. Or even cutcliff after one bad year.
Unity happens when a team wins.
Let Pete go 7-5 next year and that unity will fall apart. They will be calling staff changes. Do it again in 2027 and they will want him gone.

No they still were united under Freeze and believed it was all a witch hunt. The majority understood Luke was part of their unofficial punishment and they needed to just stay a float but make no mistake they were very united from Freeze forward. The fans might not have been united as much under O because the wins wasn't there but the system and machine he helped establish is still in place and has been enhanced over the years. Cutcliffe issue was he didn't want to be so brazen like many of the money guys wanted him to be. They were chomping to go full bore by that time and Cut held them back on buying recruits like several wanted. When they got Nutt they were behind him too.

[Maroon Glasses]

Some of you really misunderstood my problem with the Airbone. It wasn?t that we threw the ball so much as it was how we threw the ball. Every game became us vs the Drop 8 Defense and then we would throw check down after check down to the RB. Your RB leading the team in receptions with over 100 was ridiculous.

I love Kiffin?s O and they throw it around. Indiana?s O is good. Throwing the ball is fine. 300 dump off passes to RB?s every season was just awful to watch

I don't care if we run the 1930 wishbone on leather helmets as long as we win. And I truly mean that. I dont care about who the coach is, scheme, uni combo, etc. Just win.

[Coach34]

Does it matter who leads in receptions if we still win more than we lose?

Lebby's O in Y1 and Y2 were better than Leach's Y1/Y2

[Matt3467]

Lebby's O in Y1 and Y2 were better than Leach's Y1/Y2

But who won more? Also Leach played a far more difficult schedule across his first two years than Lebby.

[Todd4State]

Lebby's O in Y1 and Y2 were better than Leach's Y1/Y2

Lebby's was also better than Dan's in year one and 2 as well.

Not to get into a pissing match. It shows that we can win multiple ways. If Lebby continues to build we could easily score 35 PPG next year.

[Todd4State]

To be fair a lot of that had to do with the arm talent we had at QB.

Even more of it had to do with his decision making. He was too unsure too much and would check it down too much.

Leach wanted him to throw it downfield more like all of us.

A check down is a third read. Very few times do you run a play where a swing pass to a running back is the first read.

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby's O in Y1 and Y2 were better than Leach's Y1/Y2

Not according to FPI:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/efficiencies/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/efficiencies/season/2024/group/8

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/efficiencies/season/2022/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/efficiencies/season/2021/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/efficiencies/season/2020/group/8

[Matt3467]

Lebby's O in Y1 and Y2 were better than Leach's Y1/Y2


But who won more? Also Leach played a far more difficult schedule across his first two years than Lebby.

Leach's offense improved significantly more in year two than year one much more so than Lebby did. Playing an all SEC schedule in 2020 without a spring and a few games with half a football team is not really fair to weigh against Leach but it's done all the time. His offense jumped from 340ypg to 440ypg from year to year and scored 8 more ppg. While Lebby went from 377ypg to 398ypg and 5ppg.

[mckeen]

Dickie Scruggs, felon. That is all.

[Coach34]

But who won more? Also Leach played a far more difficult schedule across his first two years than Lebby.

Leach inherited some dudes on defense. Lebby inherited a juco team. Leach's recruiting was shit and he was gonna be exposed had he stayed around

[Coach34]

Not according to FPI:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/efficiencies/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/efficiencies/season/2024/group/8

https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/efficiencies/season/2022/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/efficiencies/season/2021/group/8
https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/efficiencies/season/2020/group/8

I dont do FPI- I do actual totals that happened

[Quaoarsking]

I dont do FPI- I do actual totals that happened

"I do actual totals that happened"
And also "sure Leach won games, but hypothetically I imagine that he would have stopped winning if he hadn't died."

[Coach34]

"I do actual totals that happened"
And also "sure Leach won games, but hypothetically I imagine that he would have stopped winning if he hadn't died."

Shall we compare Leach's defenses vs Lebbys?

[Coach34]

Year 1: Leach's D 6th in the SEC...Lebby? Dead last because no talent was left

Year 2? Leach had the 9th D while Lebby in Y2 had the 15th

Leach inherited Dudes. Now its NIL/Portal and moneyyyyy.

[Quaoarsking]

Shall we compare Leach's defenses vs Lebbys?

The FPI links I gave you show defense too. Compare away.

[msstate7]

I dont do FPI- I do actual totals that happened

Spoken like the complete moron you are. We were favored tonight

[msstate7]

The FPI links I gave you show defense too. Compare away.

You're taking to a complete idiot that is grabbing at anything while in the quick sand that is Lebby support

[Coach34]

We are 5-7. There was no reason for us to be favored. They are an 8 win team

[msstate7]

We are 5-7. There was no reason for us to be favored. They are an 8 win team

Yet, we were. Vegas just didn't realize how terrible our coaching was

[Quaoarsking]

We are 5-7. There was no reason for us to be favored. They are an 8 win team

FPI favored us. The SEC may have gotten passed by the Big 10, but not the ACC.

[Coursesuper]

FPI favored us. The SEC may have gotten passed by the Big 10, but not the ACC.

You know absolutely dick about football. It’s breathtakingly painful to behold the absurdity of your confidence rapped up in total ignorance. Sadly the real problem is to know that you don’t know you have to be able to realize that.

[Quaoarsking]

You know absolutely dick about football. It’s breathtakingly painful to behold the absurdity of your confidence rapped up in total ignorance. Sadly the real problem is to know that you don’t know you have to be able to realize that.

Sorry I don't have your level of football knowledge to realize that actually the ACC is better than the SEC in football. I'll try to do better.

[Santiago]

Maybe so. But I think you are missing the other side of what I'm saying. You think it's just the ones who wish for an old smash mouth style of offense as an issue. I know multiple that were only invested in Mike Leach or only invested because they have some place at the table. When Mike died they left the table. When those lost a place at the table they took their ball and went home. Or the ones who pushed in Cohen. It's more of those types, way more, than those who wish we would run the ball more. Many of the run the ball types gave during Leach and still do.

No that is not at all what I think.
Comment was when we were winning, who was griping and why. How fast did we start hearing "Blue Collar" as soon as certain coaches get hired. It is a very old MSU thing.

My comment is not about wanting any offense, it is how assinine our old school fanbase acted when we were winning, and posted here, wanting the 1990s again.
Does not matter to me if we run the triple option, as long as we win.

[Santiago]

How much does it cost to just have freaking special teams against mid level ACC teams?

[msstate7]

Sorry I don't have your level of football knowledge to realize that actually the ACC is better than the SEC in football. I'll try to do better.

If you say something to c34, he's gonna be on you. We should all have a hero in our life, so in that respect, good for him that c34 is that shining light to him

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Would rather win in baseball then win in football and basketball.

Bingo

[R2Dawg]

Mississippi has personnel in place to insure they keep winning. They have spent millions on guys that scout and gameplan. They have spent almost twice in 2025 what we have spent. You get what you pay for

Can I take this to the bank like Kamario starting in egg bowl?

No you don't, not all the time. The big money QB they had didn't pan out, a low rated transfer did that was cheap. Happens all the time. Indiana says hello.

[R2Dawg]

Leach inherited some dudes on defense. Lebby inherited a juco team. Leach's recruiting was shit and he was gonna be exposed had he stayed around

Correct and we got exposed later just Leach was not around so blame the new guys.

[mckeen]

This has come down simply to who can buy what, which is why older guys like me have been checking out more with each season. It's minor league pro football. No esprit de corps, loyalty, etc., any more.

[Negative Waves]

This has come down simply to who can buy what, which is why older guys like me have been checking out more with each season. It's minor league pro football. No esprit de corps, loyalty, etc., any more.

This is why I think college football is going down the same path as NASCAR did back in the 00's. They have fundamentally changed the sport with the NIL, transfer portal, and ever-changing playoff system. Nascar ratings got huge and the sport became insanely popular, but then they went and changed the points system, introduced a playoff, the Car of Tomorrow, racing at tracks outside the traditional ones, etc. Then the economy crashed in 08 and that was that. In game attendance is dropping nation-wide, and fans like you and me are starting to check out due to the game that we loved is completely changed. CFB TV ratings might be higher now then ever, but like Nascar in the mid 00's, the cracks are there if you look.

[BrunswickDawg]

This is why I think college football is going down the same path as NASCAR did back in the 00's. They have fundamentally changed the sport with the NIL, transfer portal, and ever-changing playoff system. Nascar ratings got huge and the sport became insanely popular, but then they went and changed the points system, introduced a playoff, the Car of Tomorrow, racing at tracks outside the traditional ones, etc. Then the economy crashed in 08 and that was that. In game attendance is dropping nation-wide, and fans like you and me are starting to check out due to the game that we loved is completely changed. CFB TV ratings might be higher now then ever, but like Nascar in the mid 00's, the cracks are there if you look.

Is attendance dropping nationwide??? I think that is debatable. (Source: https://www.d1ticker.com/2025-fbs-attendance-trends/ )
Just looking at the SEC for 24 vs. 25:
Bama - 100% sold out, no change
Auburn - 100% sold out, no change
Florida - up .12%
Georgia - 100% sold out, no change
LSU - up 2%
MSU - up 9% (4,377 a game)
Mizzou - down 8% (endzone construction impact)
OM - down 0.76%
USC - up .01%
Tenn - 100% sold out, no change
Texas - down .02% (19 people a game)
A&M - up 3.22%
Vandy - up 24%

Nationally, 73 of 136 programs saw an increase or are 100% sold out and saw no change (54%).
Overall, national attendance was flat (0.95% increase), but the over 5 year trend is a 3.56% increase
The explosive growth of the 2010s may be done - but its not going in a hole... yet

[Brobi-wan]

This is why I think college football is going down the same path as NASCAR did back in the 00's. They have fundamentally changed the sport with the NIL, transfer portal, and ever-changing playoff system. Nascar ratings got huge and the sport became insanely popular, but then they went and changed the points system, introduced a playoff, the Car of Tomorrow, racing at tracks outside the traditional ones, etc. Then the economy crashed in 08 and that was that. In game attendance is dropping nation-wide, and fans like you and me are starting to check out due to the game that we loved is completely changed. CFB TV ratings might be higher now then ever, but like Nascar in the mid 00's, the cracks are there if you look.

You’re a guy on a specific team’s message board. This means you are more passionate than the causal fan. The casual fan doesn’t care whether people are paid or not. He just wants to watch football.

[Irondawg]

Back to the original point, OM is indeed making sure they don't get gutted and have a competitive roster. Chambliss will probably get another year even if he shouldn't, they kept Lacy and have gotten a few other sought after guys already. They are clearlly willing to spend the big money and losing Lane and the offensive staff for now isn't affecting those guys.

He may turn out to a mediocre head coach but they are going to make sure it's not because of a lack of talent like we've suffered with the past few years. Enough talent can make even average coaches look ok and a special QB is so impactful it's worth whatever you pay them right now if you're good enough other spots to get into the playoff discussion.

[Coach34]

Mississippi just landed one of LSU's starting OT's today

[HancockCountyDog]

Mississippi just landed one of LSU's starting OT's today

Anyone that disagrees with your original premise are the same people that said that the bears were overpaying for Echoles, Franklin and Perkins and that they would run out of money after Dart left.

[smootness]

Leach inherited some dudes on defense. Lebby inherited a juco team. Leach's recruiting was shit and he was gonna be exposed had he stayed around

Yes, year 22 of his head coaching career, conveniently right after he died, is when he was about to be exposed.

[Jake]

I love those statements. Leach had a system that didnt require the most talented in the world to succeed, which one would think would be a good thing, and was. When you change the system it sucks, which is why Arnett crapped the bed by going with Barbay. Slow change would have made that much easier, especially after a big year with was expected with 19 returning starters.

[confucius say]

Anyone that disagrees with your original premise are the same people that said that the bears were overpaying for Echoles, Franklin and Perkins and that they would run out of money after Dart left.

Nobody disagreed that they would remain competitive in the 8-4 sense.
Many, including myself, said they won't go 11-1, 9-3, 10-2 the next three years like they did the last three.

[HancockCountyDog]

Nobody disagreed that they would remain competitive in the 8-4 sense.
Many, including myself, said they won't go 11-1, 9-3, 10-2 the next three years like they did the last three.

Well moving to a 9 game SEC schedule is screwing all of us to be honest. We could go 6-6 next year and it be a really solid season.

I don't see anyone going 11-1 in a new 9 game SEC schedule. I just don't see it happening. If they get the waiver for the QB, 9-3 will be on the table assuming they have their normal soft SEC schedule.

[Turfdawg67]

Yes, year 22 of his head coaching career, conveniently right after he died, is when he was about to be exposed.

NM. You were right… dude’s a biased mo-ron when it comes to Leach