Johns an expected hire? What's everyone's thoughts?

[CadaverDawg]

https://hailstate.com/news/2025/12/28/football-mississippi-state-strengthens-offensive-staff-with-addition-of-kevin-johns?fbclid=IwZnRzaAO-nURleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AA Ee6iNuoXdgHtIro7tRSKJzn0_OP9kDOaHaubk4xwhFQ8T0a22T lryZKA_FGc8_aem_9qzMMzC939_rTBRLM3gPyw

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[Tripp McNeely]

https://hailstate.com/news/2025/12/28/football-mississippi-state-strengthens-offensive-staff-with-addition-of-kevin-johns?fbclid=IwZnRzaAO-nURleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AA Ee6iNuoXdgHtIro7tRSKJzn0_OP9kDOaHaubk4xwhFQ8T0a22T lryZKA_FGc8_aem_9qzMMzC939_rTBRLM3gPyw

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GREAT hire!!

[Todd4State]

Home run! I've always liked his offenses. And there apparently are rumors that we might add Seth Littrell too. KB21 is my source on that from Twitter.

[MetEdDawg]

Ty Warren apparently coming on as DL coach too

[KOdawg1]

Johns = HELL YEAH, that's a big boy hire.

Warren = yawn.

[CadaverDawg]

Warren official as DL coach. What's the story on him? Better than Turner hopefulky

[confucius say]

Didn't Johns name come up when we were searching for an OC under arnett?

[DEDawg]

This guy is gonna get KT legit. Great hire

[Pancho]

Johns = HELL YEAH, that's a big boy hire.

Warren = yawn.

not sure what to say if One doesn't like Warrens pedigree

[Todd4State]

Warren official as DL coach. What's the story on him? Better than Turner hopefulky

Warren played in the NFL for Bellichick and the Patriots and was a really good DT. Played at A&M. Has some NFL experience and was the coach at Rice last year.

No idea why our fans aren't happy with this hire other than "lack of experience". His resume seems solid to me though. It's not like he has never coached anywhere before and the internship he got with the NFL means that there is a good chance he becomes a NFL DL coach one day.

[Todd4State]

Didn't Johns name come up when we were searching for an OC under arnett?

Yes he was a name mentioned by fans at least.

[AlSwearengen]

What else are we waiting on? WR?

[Coach34]

DLine coach is about being able to motivate and recruit. Every DL coach in college football does the same drills 75% of the time. You teach hand technique, body lean, and read keys. The shit aint hard. DL guys are animals with anger issues quite often- you have to be able to manage personalities. That is what a DL coach does. If he is good at it- they will kill for him. Thats why guys like Coach O are good DL coaches- players love his ass. Will do anything for him

Warren needs to be a guy that teaches solid technique and someone the guys will kill for

[KOdawg1]

not sure what to say if One doesn't like Warrens pedigree

His pedigree as a player is awesome.

His pedigree as a coach is TBD.

It's a valid reason for pause.

[Coach34]

His pedigree as a player is awesome.

His pedigree as a coach is TBD.

It's a valid reason for pause.

Guys that were better than everybody and got by on being just super talented do not make great coaches because they dont understand the struggle. Guys that had to work for it and develop are guys that become good coaches. I've always struggled coaching guys that are wild as shit on the mound or QBs that cant hit receivers. I have always been able to throw anything and hit the target. Ive always been able to shoot a basketball well. I cant understand how people cant throw strikes/miss WR's badly/or cant make FT's. I can teach the proper mechanics but just cant grasp how people cant perform those tasks.

[bulldawg28]

Guys that were better than everybody and got by on being just super talented do not make great coaches because they dont understand the struggle. Guys that had to work for it and develop are guys that become good coaches. I've always struggled coaching guys that are wild as shit on the mound or QBs that cant hit receivers. I have always been able to throw anything and hit the target. Ive always been able to shoot a basketball well. I cant understand how people cant throw strikes/miss WR's badly/or cant make FT's. I can teach the proper mechanics but just cant grasp how people cant perform those tasks.

Because they shouldn't be in that position, lol.

[Coach34]

Because they shouldn't be in that position, lol.

I hear ya but I watched Josh Allen and Caleb Williams miss easy throws today that just cant be excused. Blows my mind

[Pancho]

His pedigree as a player is awesome.

His pedigree as a coach is TBD.

It's a valid reason for pause.

you just pause then I am rolling with Ty warren. Let Lebby and crew determine the fate of the program

[KOdawg1]

you just pause then I am rolling with Ty warren. Let Lebby and crew determine the fate of the program

Am I stopping Lebby and crew from doing that?

I just gave my opinion on the hire. I'm not standing in front of the Seal Complex with a sign in protest.

Lebby and crew will absolutely determine the fate of the program and I've never said anything different. Retarded argument by you here.

[Pancho]

Am I stopping Lebby and crew from doing that?

I just gave my opinion on the hire. I'm not standing in front of the Seal Complex with a sign in protest.

Lebby and crew will absolutely determine the fate of the program and I've never said anything different. Retarded argument by you here.

stfu with the retard comment. Sounds like we ultimately agree deep down. Give us a list of who you wanted Lebby to consider to hire. Early happy new year to your quotes.

[KOdawg1]

stfu with the retard comment. Sounds like we ultimately agree deep down. Give us a list of who you wanted Lebby to consider to hire. Early happy new year to your quotes.
I mean, it's a pretty stupid comment. "Let the coaches do their job!" when I'm literally not stopping them from doing that.

That's like me going to a restaurant, taking a bite out of my steak, and saying "my steak is a little overcooked" and then you shout from another table "LET THE CHEF DO HIS JOB!!" I mean, that's just dumb. I just gave an opinion.

Brian Williams is the guy I wanted that there was some interest in. Really good recruiter, had some good DLs at Maryland.

[Pancho]

I mean, it's a pretty stupid comment. "Let the coaches do their job!" when I'm literally not stopping them from doing that.

That's like me going to a restaurant, taking a bite out of my steak, and saying "my steak is a little overcooked" and then you shout from another table "LET THE CHEF DO HIS JOB!!" I mean, that's just dumb. I just gave an opinion.

Brian Williams is the guy I wanted that there was some interest in. Really good recruiter, had some good DLs at Maryland.

thx for mentioning Williams, he is a good guy it seems. I enjoy the restaurant bravado too. comedy goes down good with coffee. let them chefs(lebby and crew) cook!

[StarkVegasSteve]

What else are we waiting on? WR?

Still waiting on WR. A lot of rumors out there that it may end up being Seth Littrell, which would give us 3 former HCs on staff. I do know that they are working to get Seth on staff in some capacity, just unknown on the capacity and there have been some rumors that it would be WR coach.

[KOdawg1]

Still waiting on WR. A lot of rumors out there that it may end up being Seth Littrell, which would give us 3 former HCs on staff. I do know that they are working to get Seth on staff in some capacity, just unknown on the capacity and there have been some rumors that it would be WR coach.

Won't be surprised if it's Tim Harris Jr

[StarkVegasSteve]

Won't be surprised if it's Tim Harris Jr

That's another name I've heard. He could also replace the Miami recruiting area and we could completely pull Bell off of recruiting.

He also could bring a couple of FSU WRs with him and maybe reunite Gavin Sawchuck with Lebby. He'd be a great RB2 behind Fluff.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Still waiting on WR. A lot of rumors out there that it may end up being Seth Littrell, which would give us 3 former HCs on staff. I do know that they are working to get Seth on staff in some capacity, just unknown on the capacity and there have been some rumors that it would be WR coach.

It very well may be Steve Jr.

[StarkVegasSteve]

It very well may be Steve Jr.

I don't see that happening. At least not as the primary WR coach. Maybe he's an analyst or something but I don't see him being brought in as the primary WR coach. That would be quite a disappointing hire. He wasn't really good when he was here and I still am pissed that he wouldn't take Malik Nabors call when he wanted to transfer here after the 2021 season.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I don't see that happening. At least not as the primary WR coach. Maybe he's an analyst or something but I don't see him being brought in as the primary WR coach. That would be quite a disappointing hire. He wasn't really good when he was here and I still am pissed that he wouldn't take Malik Nabors call when he wanted to transfer here after the 2021 season.

We are going to disagree with this, but it's all good. I though he did a great job on coaching and recruiting. With out Jr, Rara never excels. etc.

[bulldawg28]

I hear ya but I watched Josh Allen and Caleb Williams miss easy throws today that just cant be excused. Blows my mind

Lol, gotcha . I thought you were referring to guys consistently missing throws.

[Thick]

I don't see that happening. At least not as the primary WR coach. Maybe he's an analyst or something but I don't see him being brought in as the primary WR coach. That would be quite a disappointing hire. He wasn't really good when he was here and I still am pissed that he wouldn't take Malik Nabors call when he wanted to transfer here after the 2021 season.

Really?.he wouldn?t take MN?s call? No thanks then. You?re right

[MoreCowbell]

DLine coach is about being able to motivate and recruit. Every DL coach in college football does the same drills 75% of the time. You teach hand technique, body lean, and read keys. The shit aint hard. DL guys are animals with anger issues quite often- you have to be able to manage personalities. That is what a DL coach does. If he is good at it- they will kill for him. Thats why guys like Coach O are good DL coaches- players love his ass. Will do anything for him

Warren needs to be a guy that teaches solid technique and someone the guys will kill for

Good post

[BlackSailsDawg]

Really?.he wouldn?t take MN?s call? No thanks then. You?re right

Have no idea. What I do know is who he recruited and how they did under him.

Makai Polk
Zavion Thomas
Rara Thomas
Creed Whittemore
Marquez "Mojo" Dortch
Antonio Harmon
Rufus Harvey

[Thick]

Several on that list did nothing but create drama. Great potential, but that?s about it. I never understood why we never used Creed much at all. Was he dumb, bad attitude, a screw up, etc?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Several on that list did nothing but create drama. Great potential, but that?s about it. I never understood why we never used Creed much at all. Was he dumb, bad attitude, a screw up, etc?

Judging by the fact that he really didn't get on the field all that much at Utah, it lends itself to either he's not as good as he was hyped or he can't learn the playbook.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Have no idea. What I do know is who he recruited and how they did under him.

Makai Polk
Zavion Thomas
Rara Thomas
Creed Whittemore
Marquez "Mojo" Dortch
Antonio Harmon
Rufus Harvey

Polk was good for one year but then didn't listen to the coaches and left early.
Thomas was up and down and there was no consistency and left the moment he got the LSU offer
Rara was up and down and there was no consistency. Also left us high and dry the moment he got a good offer.
Whittemore looks more and more like a bust every day
Dortch was a bust
Harmon was a bust
Harvey had a heart condition so u/d on that one but I wouldn't say he blew anyone away.

I really wouldn't say he was this elite recruiter. He got guys who could catch balls, the primary job of a receiver, and we played an ass ton of WRs. Leach's offense made the WRs, not the other way around. It also wasn't Spurrier recruiting elite WRs. We missed on PLENTY. Now you're an AR guy so you have an affinity for anyone on that staff. I think that's probably the biggest thing here.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Polk was good for one year but then didn't listen to the coaches and left early.
Thomas was up and down and there was no consistency and left the moment he got the LSU offer
Rara was up and down and there was no consistency. Also left us high and dry the moment he got a good offer.
Whittemore looks more and more like a bust every day
Dortch was a bust
Harmon was a bust
Harvey had a heart condition so u/d on that one but I wouldn't say he blew anyone away.

I really wouldn't say he was this elite recruiter. He got guys who could catch balls, the primary job of a receiver, and we played an ass ton of WRs. Leach's offense made the WRs, not the other way around. It also wasn't Spurrier recruiting elite WRs. We missed on PLENTY. Now you're an AR guy so you have an affinity for anyone on that staff. I think that's probably the biggest thing here.

No, the biggest thing here is Jr can recruit and he gets his wrs ready. And thats the bottom line.

Lebby's offense blends Air Raid passing principles with a robust run game and play-action.

Whittemore never got to play under Leach nor Jr. To use him as an example of a bust is disingenuous. The reason he is mentioned is that Jr got him from Florida gators.

Z. Thomas likewise did not play under Jr or Leach. He was a true freshman. But he was productive at LSU.

Rara was consistent. His first year he had 18 catches while Polk set records. His 2nd year he took in 45 catches. Then UGA paid him.

Harmon, goes back to the same issue as Zavion. Who coached him? Barbay's people.

Again, not saying that Jr is the guy. I am saying it could be. And no, I would not be mad about it.

[Coach34]

I remember when the Board got mad at me for calling Whittemore ol white legs and not singing his praises. He caught 12 passes this year at Utah as a Jr.

[StarkVegasSteve]

No, the biggest thing here is Jr can recruit and he gets his wrs ready. And thats the bottom line.

Lebby's offense blends Air Raid passing principles with a robust run game and play-action.

Whittemore never got to play under Leach nor Jr. To use him as an example of a bust is disingenuous. The reason he is mentioned is that Jr got him from Florida gators.

Z. Thomas likewise did not play under Jr or Leach. He was a true freshman. But he was productive at LSU.

Rara was consistent. His first year he had 18 catches while Polk set records. His 2nd year he took in 45 catches. Then UGA paid him.

Harmon, goes back to the same issue as Zavion. Who coached him? Barbay's people.

Again, not saying that Jr is the guy. I am saying it could be. And no, I would not be mad about it.

It'll be the same as Bumphis. Lebby will have to do the heavy lifting with recruiting anyone worth a damn and Spurrier will recruit a bunch of projects that you hope pan out. My guess? They won't.

We need someone who can recruit at that position and develop. Spurrier, and Bumphis too(I'm not absolving him), couldn't recruit and couldn't develop. Leach's offense was the reasons guys like Polk looked good. Same with Austin Williams, Scooby Ford, Justin Robinson, etc. RaRa had some physical abilities but his route running was crap. It didn't get better.

Also, Zavion did play under Leach and Spurrier(see 2022).

[BlackSailsDawg]

It'll be the same as Bumphis. Lebby will have to do the heavy lifting with recruiting anyone worth a damn and Spurrier will recruit a bunch of projects that you hope pan out. My guess? They won't.

We need someone who can recruit at that position and develop. Spurrier, and Bumphis too(I'm not absolving him), couldn't recruit and couldn't develop. Leach's offense was the reasons guys like Polk looked good. Same with Austin Williams, Scooby Ford, Justin Robinson, etc. RaRa had some physical abilities but his route running was crap. It didn't get better.

Also, Zavion did play under Leach and Spurrier(see 2022).

Correct. He was a freshman and his main duty was punt return. He played under Barbay. Rara, all you can really go by is what he produced. And he got better while here. The numbers proves that. The $$$ UGA spent to get him prove that. But again... This is all mute. Lebby is going to hire who he is going to hire.

[CadaverDawg]

Any updates on WR coach?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Any updates on WR coach?

Still waiting. There's a couple of rumors we're looking at someone on a CFP staff but I don't believe that one bit.

[confucius say]

Any updates on WR coach?

Could he already be on campus and announced, just not as a WR coach yet?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Could he already be on campus and announced, just not as a WR coach yet?

There's some thoughts to that in that it could end up just being Bush Hamdan. I do still think we're looking though. If it is indeed Bush, I would imagine Benton would be the Asst WR Coach. He already helps Lebby with the recruiting at that position anyways.

[Todd4State]

There's some thoughts to that in that it could end up just being Bush Hamdan. I do still think we're looking though. If it is indeed Bush, I would imagine Benton would be the Ass WR Coach. He already helps Lebby with the recruiting at that position anyways.

Yeah. I think if it was Bush we would have announced him as the WR coach.

We'll see.

[BigDawg81]

Could he already be on campus and announced, just not as a WR coach yet?
Robbie Faulk seems to think that Bush could be the WR coach and Johns the QB coach

[KOdawg1]

Robbie Faulk seems to think that Bush could be the WR coach and Johns the QB coach

Certainly could end up being the case. I don't think we hired Bush with the intention of him being the WR coach, but we might be in a spot where we're looking around, and he's better than our current options. He's done it before at Florida, Washington, and Mizzou.

[SPMT]

I hear ya but I watched Josh Allen and Caleb Williams miss easy throws today that just cant be excused. Blows my mind

There are levels to shit and you ain?t sniffing the ball sack of that level. That?s why you don?t understand.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Robbie Faulk seems to think that Bush could be the WR coach and Johns the QB coach

I think Johns is probably going to end up as the QB Coach, but I still think we're looking for another WR coach. If we were going to let Bush do it we probably would've announced that by now

[KB21]

I am not sure what the original plan was, but I do not believe that Bush Hamdan was hired to just be an analyst. He's 39 and was considered an up and comer before joining Stoops at Kentucky.

I do not believe that Steve Spurrier Jr will be the WR coach, though I would be all for it if he were the hire.

I suspect that Hamdan will coach WRs with Johns coaching QBs, but both of them have experience coaching QBs and WRs.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I am not sure what the original plan was, but I do not believe that Bush Hamdan was hired to just be an analyst. He's 39 and was considered an up and comer before joining Stoops at Kentucky.

I do not believe that Steve Spurrier Jr will be the WR coach, though I would be all for it if he were the hire.

I suspect that Hamdan will coach WRs with Johns coaching QBs, but both of them have experience coaching QBs and WRs.

I am more than excited to see this portal action and spring