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[Coach34]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ole Miss isn?t guessing anymore. A reported $1.8M NIL offer for Kewan Lacy and a full waiver push for Trinidad Chambliss tell the story. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HottyToddy?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HottyToddy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OleMiss?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OleMiss</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NIL?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NIL</a><a href="https://t.co/zSGg2ZuzbE">https://t.co/zSGg2ZuzbE</a> <a href="https://t.co/S2kKqYCODR">pic.twitter.com/S2kKqYCODR</a></p>&mdash; Hotty Toddy News (@HottyToddyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/HottyToddyNews/status/2004568335036674521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[AlSwearengen]

Not surprising at all; they have boosters that loan their wives out to recruits. Bunch of cucks.

[msstate7]

Hope they get in a bidding war with lsu over some high end guys. Hope they even win the battles. It'll cost them filling out the roster. The pride of beating lane and lsu over those guys will be their downfall

[StarkVegasSteve]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ole Miss isn?t guessing anymore. A reported $1.8M NIL offer for Kewan Lacy and a full waiver push for Trinidad Chambliss tell the story. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HottyToddy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HottyToddy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OleMiss?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OleMiss</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NIL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NIL</a><a href="https://t.co/zSGg2ZuzbE">https://t.co/zSGg2ZuzbE</a> <a href="https://t.co/S2kKqYCODR">pic.twitter.com/S2kKqYCODR</a></p>— Hotty Toddy News (@HottyToddyNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/HottyToddyNews/status/2004568335036674521?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 26, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I highly doubt they get either one. Lacy has been pretty adamant that he is going with Kevin Smith. I also do not see how Chambliss will get his waiver approved, but if he does that probably means we get Thompson back so that would be huge for us.

[Pancho]

I'm told LSU has offered Lacy tween 2 and 3 Mil. this won't come close

[parabrave]

I'm told LSU has offered Lacy tween 2 and 3 Mil. this won't come close

He should go pro. His stock is probably high now and get the money before he gets used up next year.

[HoopsDawg]

2 million for a back is lighting money on fire.

[parabrave]

2 million for a back is lighting money on fire.

I guarantee you what ever monies that OM invested in him they made 8 figures on that. So for the business majors on here would you say they got a hellava return on their investment. Meanwhile US and other schools not so much.

[Todd4State]

Hope they get in a bidding war with lsu over some high end guys. Hope they even win the battles. It'll cost them filling out the roster. The pride of beating lane and lsu over those guys will be their downfall

Yep. Lane's going to make them burn their house down.

[CaptainObvious]

I guarantee you what ever monies that OM invested in him they made 8 figures on that. So for the business majors on here would you say they got a hellava return on their investment. Meanwhile US and other schools not so much.

State got exactly what they paid for with regards to Head Coach. State overpaid for the roster for 2024. 2025 looks to be about breakeven.

[parabrave]

Yep. Lane's going to make them burn their house down.

They have deep pockets Law Firms, Air Cargo cos, Duck Insurance and Camo gear corporate sponsors cause they are light years ahead of most other schools in fund raising and Marketing. Heck they even got some fiction writer to do commercials for them. They can afford to make Lk raise the Kittie,

[Brobi-wan]

They have deep pockets Law Firms, Air Cargo cos, Duck Insurance and Camo gear corporate sponsors cause they are light years ahead of most other schools in fund raising and Marketing. Heck they even got some fiction writer to do commercials for them. They can afford to make Lk raise the Kittie,

They are not a juggernaut. They were good at the right time. They will not experience the same level of success in a post-LK world. They are about to be in the same desert we were in after Dan.

[Coursesuper]

They are not a juggernaut. They were good at the right time. They will not experience the same level of success in a post-LK world. They are about to be in the same desert we were in after Dan.

This is popular sentiment among some, but they have much more competent leadership than we had at that time. And more importantly a booster class that gets it for them to not loose too much ground. They have a machine in place for a staff to succeed, now it’s up to that staff. I think that many people are about to see how important it is to sing from the same sheet of music.

[Brobi-wan]

This is popular sentiment among some, but they have much more competent leadership than we had at that time. And more importantly a booster class that gets it for them to not loose too much ground. They have a machine in place for a staff to succeed, now it’s up to that staff. I think that many people are about to see how important it is to sing from the same sheet of music.

You’re right. They’ll correct their mistake faster than we did. They won’t accept mediocrity for as long as we have. But they’re headed in the same direction. What took us 3 years to fix will take them 1.5

[Coursesuper]

You’re right. They’ll correct their mistake faster than we did. They won’t accept mediocrity for as long as we have. But they’re headed in the same direction. What took us 3 years to fix will take them 1.5

Three years, we’re in year 8 of really fixing things. I wish it was 3 that would have been wonderful.

[Coach34]

They are not a juggernaut. They were good at the right time. They will not experience the same level of success in a post-LK world. They are about to be in the same desert we were in after Dan.

They aren’t going anywhere. They have their program and front office done right. Way better than what we have funded.

Our fans have to stop looking at college football like it’s 2015. SEC programs are basically like NFL franchises now.

[SailingDawg]

Not surprising at all; they have boosters that loan their wives out to recruits. Bunch of cucks.

Trump?s their heroes. He speaks of how he ?loved to **** friend?s wives.? ****in cucks.

[cheewgumm]

I would NEVER pay Lacy $2M.

Ever

Get great O linemen instead.

[msstate7]

They aren’t going anywhere. They have their program and front office done right. Way better than what we have funded.

Our fans have to stop looking at college football like it’s 2015. SEC programs are basically like NFL franchises now.

Yeah, spending will make you great... see lsu, Florida, Michigan, etc. You still have to have coaching in football, and they lost their best asset, and he doesn't play on the field

[Pancho]

They aren’t going anywhere. They have their program and front office done right. Way better than what we have funded.

Our fans have to stop looking at college football like it’s 2015. SEC programs are basically like NFL franchises now.

How are you with them claiming pete was the glue with kiffins teams etc? I doubt he can attract as many high level recruits as kiffin did.

[DownwardDawg]

This is popular sentiment among some, but they have much more competent leadership than we had at that time. And more importantly a booster class that gets it for them to not loose too much ground. They have a machine in place for a staff to succeed, now it’s up to that staff. I think that many people are about to see how important it is to sing from the same sheet of music.

Your last sentence is spot on. I have a family member that's a big ole miss fanboy. We saw him at Christmas and he was right in step with the whole "Golding is responsible for all Lanes success. Lane is not a good person. We're glad he's gone".

State fans suck at this. Ole Miss gets it. They get the message out there to the fans and they preach it like it's the gospel!!!

[msstate7]

Your last sentence is spot on. I have a family member that's a big ole miss fanboy. We saw him at Christmas and he was right in step with the whole "Golding is responsible for all Lanes success. Lane is not a good person. We're glad he's gone".

State fans suck at this. Ole Miss gets it. They get the message out there to the fans and they preach it like it's the gospel!!!

Sure, swear on a bible that golden is why they succeed, but no matter how much it's repeated, it isn't true, Lane was the engineer, and that's why OM offered him what lsu did (or more), not bc he was he 2nd most important behind golden.

[Todd4State]

They have deep pockets Law Firms, Air Cargo cos, Duck Insurance and Camo gear corporate sponsors cause they are light years ahead of most other schools in fund raising and Marketing. Heck they even got some fiction writer to do commercials for them. They can afford to make Lk raise the Kittie,

And LSU has even deeper pockets. It's going to be funny when Kiffin takes whoever he wants from them- but I'll stop laughing when my Caniac combo costs 40 dollars.


This is popular sentiment among some, but they have much more competent leadership than we had at that time. And more importantly a booster class that gets it for them to not loose too much ground. They have a machine in place for a staff to succeed, now it?s up to that staff. I think that many people are about to see how important it is to sing from the same sheet of music.

They have also had almost everything go right for six years in a row. Once they lose a game or two that they "aren't supposed to" we'll see how in step they are with everything. It's easy to fall in line when you have an elite coach, your rival is down, and you have an easy schedule.


They aren?t going anywhere. They have their program and front office done right. Way better than what we have funded.

Our fans have to stop looking at college football like it?s 2015. SEC programs are basically like NFL franchises now.

If they're a NFL franchise then they just lost a HOF coach, their entire scouting dept., and now have a more difficult schedule. Now, I don't think they will be as bad as we were under Arnett- if anything at least Golding has hired someone that is off of the Kiffin tree so there won't be as much of an adjustment and you won't have the fan debate/split over it.

But Kiffin was a much bigger piece of the equation than they would like to admit. Specifically identifying talent in the portal. They're going to miss that a lot. You can have money, but you have to know who to target and then be able to attract them. And Kiffin was a household name- Golding is not. The Kiffin brand carried a lot of weight with transfers. Kiffin was also an elite play caller and game planner- how many times did they start a game up 21-0 in the first quarter? It seemed like a weekly occurrence. Even Croom could find a way to win games if you spot him a 21-0 lead. And then with Golding being the head coach that is going to take away some from their defense because he is going to have to adapt to being a head coach.

Do I think they will be a 2-10 team? No. But I do think they will be a 6-8 win team. And now that they have won 10-11 that's probably not going to be good enough. And instability creates weaknesses and allows opportunities for others to win games.

[Todd4State]

Sure, swear on a bible that golden is why they succeed, but no matter how much it's repeated, it isn't true, Lane was the engineer, and that's why OM offered him what lsu did (or more), not bc he was he 2nd most important behind golden.

Yeah. They weren't paying Kiffin 12 million+ to make Juice videos and promote hot yoga in Oxford.

[Activated Alpha]

Is this where the Scooby Doo gang pulls the mask off C34 and we find out it was Colonel Reb all along?

[confucius say]

They aren’t going anywhere. They have their program and front office done right. Way better than what we have funded.

Our fans have to stop looking at college football like it’s 2015. SEC programs are basically like NFL franchises now.

Hard disagree. They won't sniff 11-1 next year. They are going somewhere - backwards.

[Tater]

OM schedule next year is one of the toughest. Egg Bowl could be two 5-6 teams playing for a bowl berth.

[Thick]

I was told by an OM alum that they lose A LOT on both sides of the ball.

[Brobi-wan]

Trump?s their heroes. He speaks of how he ?loved to **** friend?s wives.? ****in cucks.

Wtf even is this comment

[Brobi-wan]

Is this where the Scooby Doo gang pulls the mask off C34 and we find out it was Colonel Reb all along?

I am wearing a Scooby doo shirt right now which makes this comment even funnier. Shout out to Side Action Apparel

[DownwardDawg]

Yeah. They weren't paying Kiffin 12 million+ to make Juice videos and promote hot yoga in Oxford.

We all know that. But that's not the point. They are all united and pull together. We eat our own.

[Coach34]

Hard disagree. They won't sniff 11-1 next year. They are going somewhere - backwards.

No they won?t be 11-1 next year at the end of the season. But they will likely be an 8/4/9-3 team no doubt. They have a strong front office and will spend a lot of money to get talent.

[AlSwearengen]

Things could not have fallen better for olemiss when NIL became a thing. They already had an understanding of getting money from boosters to recruits, fans and boosters that are cultish about paying players, a good coach with one of the best offensive minds out there and who understood and embraced the portal, AND a very favorable schedule.

They will continue to get players b/c they embrace paying players and have always been obsessed with appearing to be one of the “big programs”; this will lead them to throwing tons of money at players. Their problem is, I don’t see them get the players that they would have had Kiffin stayed.

[msstate7]

No they won?t be 11-1 next year at the end of the season. But they will likely be an 8/4/9-3 team no doubt. They have a strong front office and will spend a lot of money to get talent.

Ok, then we aren't in disagreement. I absolute can see 8-9 wins, but there will be a drop.

[R2Dawg]

Yeah, spending will make you great... see lsu, Florida, Michigan, etc. You still have to have coaching in football, and they lost their best asset, and he doesn't play on the field

Agree. You can't spend your way out of a bad spot alone.

TAMU, Indiana, etc. The list is long on those that spent plenty and got nothing and those that spent a little and got a lot. Nothing has changed. Poor player evals happened before NIL and the whole recruiting rankings deal - see starters in NFL and what teams they play for to see how off talent evals are. Yes as a whole they can hit but the one off misses are way many.

[basedog]

College football sucks, not sure I will ever enjoy it, don't like anything about paying players (even high school kids get paid now) and the transfer/portal is terrible!

As far as Ole Dixie, we shall see but they do have way more tradition than us, they have been to 11 sugar bowls! I don't know where college football is headed for the coming years.

[msstate7]

No problem with paying players. Big problem with free agency every offseason. Players have all the leverage.

[OurState]

No they won?t be 11-1 next year at the end of the season. But they will likely be an 8/4/9-3 team no doubt. They have a strong front office and will spend a lot of money to get talent.

Lane was also smart to leave right before the 9 game SEC schedule kicks in. Mathematically that would have cost him .35 wins a year.

[Coursesuper]

No problem with paying players. Big problem with free agency every offseason. Players have all the leverage.

Look at us, agreeing completely! This is the crux of the mess, it’s going to be very difficult to put this genie back in the bottle.

[MBDawg601]

They aren?t going anywhere. They have their program and front office done right. Way better than what we have funded.

Our fans have to stop looking at college football like it?s 2015. SEC programs are basically like NFL franchises now.

Not sure I agree with this. If their front office was in alignment and they were going to match LSU's pay, Kiffin wouldn't have bolted before a potential NC playoff run. I do not think they are as perfect as you think they are.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Our success will come down to how willing the big time boosters are to open up their pocketbooks. SEC is a LOS league so we need to be paying for quality OL and DL or it?s going to be more 5-7 seasons in the future

[Tater]

OM's team this year would have went 9-3 against the schedule they have next year if it was played this year.

Predicting them to be 9-3 is predicting no drop off. Looking at next year... the bottom end is entirely plausible.

vs. Louisville (in Nashville) - tossup
vs. Charlotte - win
vs. LSU - tossup
at Florida - Pete's first road game, tossup between first year coaches with lean to home team
at Vandy - probable loss
vs. Mizzou - tossup
at Texsa - probable loss
vs. Auburn - another first year coach battle - tossup with lean to home team
vs. Georgia - probable loss
at OU - probable loss
vs. Wofford - win
Egg Bowl - depends on each team's season to this point. So tossup.

I see 8-4 if things break good for them. 2-10 on the table if they flub. (2-10 is on the table for us as well - but 10-2 is entirely possible if things break good for us)

[confucius say]

We all know that. But that's not the point. They are all united and pull together. We eat our own.

Let's see what happens when they take two steps back next year and the fan base splits on Golding

[confucius say]

No they won?t be 11-1 next year at the end of the season. But they will likely be an 8/4/9-3 team no doubt. They have a strong front office and will spend a lot of money to get talent.

Need to let the roster sort out, but 9-3 is likely their ceiling.
And their front office is at lsu now along with one of the best offensive minds in CFB.

They will still be relevant, but not the consistent 9-3/10-2/11-1 that Lane did.

[confucius say]

Ok, then we aren't in disagreement. I absolute can see 8-9 wins, but there will be a drop.

8-9 is possible. Which is a significant drop.
So is 6-7, which is a huge drop.

[LC Dawg]

There was no drop off against Tulane without Kiffin but I'll bet it will be against Georgia.

[SailingDawg]

OM schedule next year is one of the toughest. Egg Bowl could be two 5-6 teams playing for a bowl berth.

Just like the olden days!!

[DownwardDawg]

Ok, then we aren't in disagreement. I absolute can see 8-9 wins, but there will be a drop.

Agree. Then 7 wins the following season. They'll be a 7-5 to 8-4 team after next season. Which is where we dream of being.

[DownwardDawg]

Agree. You can't spend your way out of a bad spot alone.

TAMU, Indiana, etc. The list is long on those that spent plenty and got nothing and those that spent a little and got a lot. Nothing has changed. Poor player evals happened before NIL and the whole recruiting rankings deal - see starters in NFL and what teams they play for to see how off talent evals are. Yes as a whole they can hit but the one off misses are way many.

Let me start by saying I'm in no way advocating for a Mullen return. However, this is why I think Mullen will do great when he gets his next big gig. He is excellent at player evaluation and player development. He's one of the best I've ever seen at development. He will be great in this NIL era. If they fix this ridiculous transfer situation.....lookout.

[Todd4State]

There was no drop off against Tulane without Kiffin but I'll bet it will be against Georgia.

Even Arnett won his OOC games. I don't think that's a great measure of future success especially given the fact that their roster and offensive staff will be completely different next year.

Edit to say I completely missed your last sentence.

[Todd4State]

Let me start by saying I'm in no way advocating for a Mullen return. However, this is why I think Mullen will do great when he gets his next big gig. He is excellent at player evaluation and player development. He's one of the best I've ever seen at development. He will be great in this NIL era. If they fix this ridiculous transfer situation.....lookout.

I disagree completely. Because to me you have to be able to recruit better than ever in this era. And how would he work with a front office scouting department? Honestly, I think the reality is we got leak Dan already from 2009-2017.

Personally I think a lot of MSU fans want Dan back because they think he is "safe". In other words they think he would win here but most of those same fans don't realize it's a different era now and Dan is a different coach now. And I understand that this isn't you advocating for him to come back.

[Todd4State]

Agree. Then 7 wins the following season. They'll be a 7-5 to 8-4 team after next season. Which is where we dream of being.

In the meantime we are improving. If we win say, 7 games and they win 8 that's not a huge gap anymore.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Even though I still have major question marks about Lebby and Selmon, I wish our fanbase would pull together more and get behind Lebby and KT for next season. I think the answer then becomes pretty clear if their is no improvement he is gone, but let?s support him and staff until that could possibly happen.

[parabrave]

With the transfer portal the way it is it's just ridiculous to speculate nexts years W/L, Heck Wisner is transferring from Texas. The only sure thing is UGa and OhState will be in the CFP.

[Todd4State]

UNLV's QB just entered the portal. This was a guy who was the MWC player of the year.

Dan is going to struggle in this era.

[Santiago]

66% of ole miss roster is transfers. Lane and his GM had a good system of evaluations.
I don't see them simply being as good as they were and now have a tougher schedule.

[confucius say]

UNLV's QB just entered the portal. This was a guy who was the MWC player of the year.

Dan is going to struggle in this era.

He just went 10-2 at UNLV and signed the number one class in his conference. He'll be fine.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

He just went 10-2 at UNLV and signed the number one class in his conference. He'll be fine.

UNLV won 11 games the season before Mullen was coach

[Todd4State]

He just went 10-2 at UNLV and signed the number one class in his conference. He'll be fine.

Boise State is ahead of them in the 247 rankings. And he finished 10-4.

New Mexico's coach is better than him and Hawaii will catch up to him very quickly.

[DownwardDawg]

In the meantime we are improving. If we win say, 7 games and they win 8 that's not a huge gap anymore.

I agree 100%. I've been thinking the same thing. 7-5 vs 8-4 is the same team with a few breaks falling here and there.

[1eyedog]

del

[confucius say]

UNLV won 11 games the season before Mullen was coach

Regular season?

[confucius say]

Boise State is ahead of them in the 247 rankings. And he finished 10-4.

New Mexico's coach is better than him and Hawaii will catch up to him very quickly.

Boise is not in his conference anymore. PAC 12 now.

https://247sports.com/season/2026-football/compositeteamrankings/?Conference=MWC

[msstate7]

Regular season?

When he was here, they wouldn't give him credit for bowl wins, and now they hold bowl losses against him

[Coach34]

Need to let the roster sort out, but 9-3 is likely their ceiling.
And their front office is at lsu now along with one of the best offensive minds in CFB.

They will still be relevant, but not the consistent 9-3/10-2/11-1 that Lane did.

They went 9-3 in 2024. Let's not act like 11-1 was the norm for Lame

[confucius say]

When he was here, they wouldn't give him credit for bowl wins, and now they hold bowl losses against him

Whatever aids the argument haha

[confucius say]

They went 9-3 in 2024. Let's not act like 11-1 was the norm for Lame

I literally said "consistent 9-3/10-2/11-1 that Lane did." I never said 11-1 was the norm.
The last three seasons he went 9-3/10-2/11-1.

He had three 10-win or better REGULAR SEASONS the last five years.
He's a top 10 coach in America. Prob top 5.
Golding won't sniff that.

[Todd4State]

Boise is not in his conference anymore. PAC 12 now.

https://247sports.com/season/2026-football/compositeteamrankings/?Conference=MWC

Oh yeah. Forgot that conference was still a thing.

[Todd4State]

Regular season?

Barry Odom went 10-3 during the regular season at UNLV and won his last game which was a bowl game over Cal.

Dan went 10-2 during the regular season and then lost the championship game to Boise and then lost to an Ohio team that didn't have a head coach this year.

Any way you slice it Dan's season this year was less impressive than Odom's last year.

[Matt3467]

Barry Odom went 10-3 during the regular season at UNLV and won his last game which was a bowl game over Cal.

Dan went 10-2 during the regular season and then lost the championship game to Boise and then lost to an Ohio team that didn't have a head coach this year.

Any way you slice it Dan's season this year was less impressive than Odom's last year.

Well to be fair that was Odom's second year. He went 9-5 his first. Fwiw I think Dan wins more than two games at Purdue this year.

[Todd4State]

Well to be fair that was Odom's second year. He went 9-5 his first. Fwiw I think Dan wins more than two games at Purdue this year.

Since we're being fair here Odom took over a 5-7 UNLV team. Dan took over an 11-3 UNLV team.

[confucius say]

Barry Odom went 10-3 during the regular season at UNLV and won his last game which was a bowl game over Cal.

Dan went 10-2 during the regular season and then lost the championship game to Boise and then lost to an Ohio team that didn't have a head coach this year.

Any way you slice it Dan's season this year was less impressive than Odom's last year.

They both went 10-2 during the regular season, right?

But I never said dans year 1 was better than Barry's year 2. I wasn't even comparing the two.
My only point was that the only evidence we have so far suggests dan will be fine in this era.

[Todd4State]

They both went 10-2 during the regular season, right?

But I never said dans year 1 was better than Barry's year 2. I wasn't even comparing the two.
My only point was that the only evidence we have so far suggests dan will be fine in this era.

If you look at Dan Mullen historically- MSU and Florida- his first two seasons are good and then he starts to become....Dan Mullen.

Typically, what he does is take over programs that are on the cusp- MSU and Florida and lives off of the previous coach's players and then he tends to lose focus.

To me, having watched him at UNLV this year he seems to following some similar patterns. Losing his QB to the portal today isn't a good sign. Imagine if that was Kamario.

[Matt3467]

If you look at Dan Mullen historically- MSU and Florida- his first two seasons are good and then he starts to become....Dan Mullen.

Typically, what he does is take over programs that are on the cusp- MSU and Florida and lives off of the previous coach's players and then he tends to lose focus.

To me, having watched him at UNLV this year he seems to following some similar patterns. Losing his QB to the portal today isn't a good sign. Imagine if that was Kamario.

It's fair that what Barry did at UNLV is more impressive considering their record before he got there but I don't believe Barry is the better HC. Also saying that State was on the cusp before he got here is really stretching. Florida also had their worst year in nearly 40 years before Mullen turned it around. I bet they wish they didn't fire him now.

[confucius say]

If you look at Dan Mullen historically- MSU and Florida- his first two seasons are good and then he starts to become....Dan Mullen.

Typically, what he does is take over programs that are on the cusp- MSU and Florida and lives off of the previous coach's players and then he tends to lose focus.

To me, having watched him at UNLV this year he seems to following some similar patterns. Losing his QB to the portal today isn't a good sign. Imagine if that was Kamario.

On the cusp of what? He took over a State program that was coming off 7 losing seasons in 8 years, 6 of which were 2 or 3 win seasons. We were horrible when he took over.

And after his first two years, we went
6-6
8-4
6-6
10-2
8-4
5-7
8-4
That's very good for us historically.

[Cowbell]

Anybody that thinks Lane wasn't the reason they were so good don't know ball. OM fans are all in this world right now. They are going to lose their minds the first time they lose a game next season that they don't see themselves losing. Yall better have some popcorn ready because they are gonna melt like butter on a red hot skillet.

[Todd4State]

On the cusp of what? He took over a State program that was coming off 7 losing seasons in 8 years, 6 of which were 2 or 3 win seasons. We were horrible when he took over.

And after his first two years, we went
6-6
8-4
6-6
10-2
8-4
5-7
8-4
That's very good for us historically.


It's fair that what Barry did at UNLV is more impressive considering their record before he got there but I don't believe Barry is the better HC. Also saying that State was on the cusp before he got here is really stretching. Florida also had their worst year in nearly 40 years before Mullen turned it around. I bet they wish they didn't fire him now.

We absolutely were on the cusp of being very good. Dan inherited a team with a future NFL running back, a future first round pick offensive tackle, and defense with some guys like KJ Wright and Jonathan Banks who played in the NFL. On top of that we had just been to the Liberty Bowl just two years before he took over and won 8 games.

And Florida fans hates Dan Mullen. So no- they don't want him back.

[basedog]

I don't or didn't hate DM. I don't blame him for taling the florida job. No i wasnt happy reading all the times he was trying to get another job while in StarkVegas.
I think with all thr openings this past season and him not getting much to little attention may have hurt his ego, or maybe not. I would bet if out job was open and he was offered he would take it. But i do think he will do ok at the real Vegas.

[confucius say]

We absolutely were on the cusp of being very good. Dan inherited a team with a future NFL running back, a future first round pick offensive tackle, and defense with some guys like KJ Wright and Jonathan Banks who played in the NFL. On top of that we had just been to the Liberty Bowl just two years before he took over and won 8 games.

And Florida fans hates Dan Mullen. So no- they don't want him back.

Very good? So you're saying if we gave Croom another year we'd have been very good in 2009?
We had, at best, average sec talent. That's being generous. And a lot of that was true freshman.
And our QB room, the most important position in football, was a FCS room. Maybe D2.

[Todd4State]

Very good? So you're saying if we gave Croom another year we'd have been very good in 2009?
We had, at best, average sec talent. That's being generous. And a lot of that was true freshman.
And our QB room, the most important position in football, was a FCS room. Maybe D2.

Nope. Dan is better than Croom. I think Croom wins maybe 6 in 2010. An average coach gets us what Dan got us in 2010. But most of those players were brought in by Croom.

Same thing with Florida. Prior to McElwain's last season they won the East. Then Scott Stricklin decided they needed Chip Kelly and things went sideways very quickly.

[Coach34]

Mullen is the greatest State coach in history and that can even be debated. Facts gonna fact.
Croom was dogshit. He only had a winning season due to a helluva D defensive TD's. Dont lose sight of the fact he was an offensive coach (in many ways)

Can we be mad that he job shopped alot? Absolutely. But comparing him to Croom or saying he isnt a great coach is like comparing South Panola to Sylva Bay Academy.

[Todd4State]

Mullen is the greatest State coach in history and that can even be debated. Facts gonna fact.
Croom was dogshit. He only had a winning season due to a helluva D defensive TD's. Dont lose sight of the fact he was an offensive coach (in many ways)

Can we be mad that he job shopped alot? Absolutely. But comparing him to Croom or saying he isnt a great coach is like comparing South Panola to Sylva Bay Academy.

No one is saying that Croom was a good coach. But he did leave Dan a team with good talent for when he took over. Also, in 2010 our administration wised up and for the first time in MSU history scheduled four winnable opponents rather than Georgia Tech and West Virginia in the same season plus Houston with Art Briles. That schedule affected the performance of both Croom and it affected Dan in 2009 as well. No question in my mind we go bowling with an easier OOC schedule.

I do think it is debatable that Dan was our best ever. Jackie is definitely in the debate. He had more top 25 wins, more wins over teams that won the East/West, and won a SEC Championship Game. His 1999 team finished basically with the same rankings as Dan's 2014 team. His last three years were awful but LT let that get out of hand and should have stepped in earlier.

Bob Tyler should be in the discussion as well. Two 9 win seasons on the field and built the 1980 team basically.

[Cowbell]

Mullen is the greatest State coach in history and that can even be debated. Facts gonna fact.
Croom was dogshit. He only had a winning season due to a helluva D defensive TD's. Dont lose sight of the fact he was an offensive coach (in many ways)

Can we be mad that he job shopped alot? Absolutely. But comparing him to Croom or saying he isnt a great coach is like comparing South Panola to Sylva Bay Academy.

Facts

[Coach34]

No one is saying that Croom was a good coach. But he did leave Dan a team with good talent for when he took over. Also, in 2010 our administration wised up and for the first time in MSU history scheduled four winnable opponents rather than Georgia Tech and West Virginia in the same season plus Houston with Art Briles. That schedule affected the performance of both Croom and it affected Dan in 2009 as well. No question in my mind we go bowling with an easier OOC schedule.

I do think it is debatable that Dan was our best ever. Jackie is definitely in the debate. He had more top 25 wins, more wins over teams that won the East/West, and won a SEC Championship Game. His 1999 team finished basically with the same rankings as Dan's 2014 team. His last three years were awful but LT let that get out of hand and should have stepped in earlier.

Bob Tyler should be in the discussion as well. Two 9 win seasons on the field and built the 1980 team basically.

Thats just insane. It's not even debatable. And Jackie is my favorite State coach. Jackie coached in an easier SEC than Mullen and still didnt do as well.

Under Jackie- we lost to schools like Memphis and Kentucky regularly. Mullen made that rare and unexpected. Thats the difference.

[HoopsDawg]

Thats just insane. It's not even debatable. And Jackie is my favorite State coach. Jackie coached in an easier SEC than Mullen and still didnt do as well.

Under Jackie- we lost to schools like Memphis and Kentucky regularly. Mullen made that rare and unexpected. Thats the difference.

Jackie was a superior coach to Mullen. Get out of here. We didn?t have the advantages over Memphis and USM that we do now.

[CaptainObvious]

Jackie was a superior coach to Mullen. Get out of here. We didn?t have the advantages over Memphis and USM that we do now.

We don?t have advantages over Memphis right now. Do we hope that changes? Sure. But financially, they have better funding because they have at least 2 Billionaires supporting their program.

[Tripp McNeely]

We don?t have advantages over Memphis right now. Do we hope that changes? Sure. But financially, they have better funding because they have at least 2 Billionaires supporting their program.

We have 2 gigantic advantages over Memphis...we're in a P4 conference, and that P4 conference is the SEC. That stuff still matters

[Jarius]

We don?t have advantages over Memphis right now. Do we hope that changes? Sure. But financially, they have better funding because they have at least 2 Billionaires supporting their program.

We heavily outrecruit Memphis yearly and literally never lose anyone we want to them. We have massive advantages over them. This take is not reality. At all.

[Todd4State]

Thats just insane. It's not even debatable. And Jackie is my favorite State coach. Jackie coached in an easier SEC than Mullen and still didnt do as well.

Under Jackie- we lost to schools like Memphis and Kentucky regularly. Mullen made that rare and unexpected. Thats the difference.

It absolutely is debatable. How many times did Jackie beat a good Ole Miss team? 1998 and 1999 and 2001 all come to mind. Jackie ended their 1980's dominance and put us on equal footing with them. He beat Alabama several times including once when they won the West. He beat Auburn twice in years when they won the West. He beat Tennessee when they had Peyton Manning, beat peak era Spurrier and Florida twice, struggled against LSU but had a couple of memorable wins against them nonetheless, and Jackie did beat Kentucky pretty consistently as well. Kentucky was much better with Mumme/Leach than they were during Dan's era. He beat Arkansas to win the SEC West when they were highly ranked, and he beat South Carolina pretty consistently. And the the 1999 Peach Bowl was memorable and the 2000 Snow Bowl is still celebrated by MSU.

We did have some good moments with Dan but the vast majority of those memories happened in 2014 over a three week period or 2010 like Florida and Georgia which are kind of underrated wins and of course the bowl win over Michigan. Aside from that you only have a few other good memories like the 2009 and 2013 Egg Bowl and Texas A&M 2016 and LSU 2017. Leach had almost as many top 25 wins in three years as Dan did in nine years.

I think if you could switch them and make them coach in each other's eras I think Jackie would have won more in Dan's era than Dan did. And vice versa.

[confucius say]

Jackie was a superior coach to Mullen. Get out of here. We didn?t have the advantages over Memphis and USM that we do now.

What? No. JWS had five seasons out of his thirteen where he won 3 or less games. Just horrible, noncompetitive seasons.
Had he retired after the 2000 season there would be a good debate between he and Dan.

[confucius say]

It absolutely is debatable. How many times did Jackie beat a good Ole Miss team? 1998 and 1999 and 2001 all come to mind. Jackie ended their 1980's dominance and put us on equal footing with them. He beat Alabama several times including once when they won the West. He beat Auburn twice in years when they won the West. He beat Tennessee when they had Peyton Manning, beat peak era Spurrier and Florida twice, struggled against LSU but had a couple of memorable wins against them nonetheless, and Jackie did beat Kentucky pretty consistently as well. Kentucky was much better with Mumme/Leach than they were during Dan's era. He beat Arkansas to win the SEC West when they were highly ranked, and he beat South Carolina pretty consistently. And the the 1999 Peach Bowl was memorable and the 2000 Snow Bowl is still celebrated by MSU.

We did have some good moments with Dan but the vast majority of those memories happened in 2014 over a three week period or 2010 like Florida and Georgia which are kind of underrated wins and of course the bowl win over Michigan. Aside from that you only have a few other good memories like the 2009 and 2013 Egg Bowl and Texas A&M 2016 and LSU 2017. Leach had almost as many top 25 wins in three years as Dan did in nine years.

I think if you could switch them and make them coach in each other's eras I think Jackie would have won more in Dan's era than Dan did. And vice versa.

JWS had losing seasons in 6 of his 13 seasons. And of those 6, five of them were compete disasters with 3 or less wins.

[DownwardDawg]

Anybody that thinks Lane wasn't the reason they were so good don't know ball. OM fans are all in this world right now. They are going to lose their minds the first time they lose a game next season that they don't see themselves losing. Yall better have some popcorn ready because they are gonna melt like butter on a red hot skillet.

I'm here for it!!! My petty ass is looking forward to seeing them lose as much as watching us win. Sorry. Can't change who I am.

[HoopsDawg]

What? No. JWS had five seasons out of his thirteen where he won 3 or less games. Just horrible, noncompetitive seasons.
Had he retired after the 2000 season there would be a good debate between he and Dan.

So die a hero or live long enough to be a villain?

Jackie is the GOAT. Mullen is a complete tool. Competent coach though. And if you schedule right and are competent in Mullen?s era, you are going to average 7 wins. Jackie went 7-4 and we didn?t even go to a bowl.

[confucius say]

I'm here for it!!! My petty ass is looking forward to seeing them lose as much as watching us win. Sorry. Can't change who I am.

Haha. Fair.

[confucius say]

So die a hero or live long enough to be a villain?

Jackie is the GOAT. Mullen is a complete tool. Competent coach though. And if you schedule right and are competent in Mullen?s era, you are going to average 7 wins. Jackie went 7-4 and we didn?t even go to a bowl.

I don't hold 1997 (he went 7-4 with no bowl) against him. It's the five seasons of 3 or less wins that put him behind Dan.

[Turfdawg67]

So die a hero or live long enough to be a villain?

Jackie is the GOAT. Mullen is a complete tool. Competent coach though. And if you schedule right and are competent in Mullen?s era, you are going to average 7 wins. Jackie went 7-4 and we didn?t even go to a bowl.

Pretty sure Jackie had two 7-4 seasons and no bowl

[confucius say]

Pretty sure Jackie had two 7-4 seasons and no bowl

When besides 1997? Pretty sure not.

[msstate7]

When besides 1997? Pretty sure not.

He had 4 7-win regular seasons, and he made bowls in 3 of them

[Coach34]

Jackie changed the program and the perception of it. He is the Godfather of State football. He will always be my favorite State coach including all sports.

But Mullen is the best coach in State history. Record-wise. Bowls-wise. Highest ranking. I dont even understand how anybody can even challenge that. Todd wants to talk about what Croom left Mullen- go back and look at what Rockey left for Jackie. Croom's problem was that he was a terrible coach. He could have coached the 85 Bears to a 7-9 record.

Mullen's biggest accomplishment was continuing to win consistently. We have never had a coach do that at State before. Bellard had a great season. Tyler had a couple of good seasons. Jackie had a couple of great seasons with some others good. Mullen was good every year. Even in 2009 we got cheated out of a 6-6 against Houston to keep them ranked high. Are we sour about him job shopping and leaving when he had built his best team yet? Absolutely. But that can change simple facts

[confucius say]

He had 4 7-win regular seasons, and he made bowls in 3 of them

That's what I thought. Only one 7-4 season without a bowl.

[Todd4State]

JWS had losing seasons in 6 of his 13 seasons. And of those 6, five of them were compete disasters with 3 or less wins.

Half of those were from 2001-2003.

1993 we had 2 ties that season. That could have very well been a 5-6 win season with today's rules.
1995 was a disaster I'll give you that.
1996 we went 5-6 and beat Bama and Ole Miss. That's probably a 6-6 season during Dan's era.

Dan was here for 9 years. If you compare what Dan did to Jackie's first 9 years then Jackie is clearly better.

[BrunswickDawg]

Half of those were from 2001-2003.

1993 we had 2 ties that season. That could have very well been a 5-6 win season with today's rules.
1995 was a disaster I'll give you that.
1996 we went 5-6 and beat Bama and Ole Miss. That's probably a 6-6 season during Dan's era.

Dan was here for 9 years. If you compare what Dan did to Jackie's first 9 years then Jackie is clearly better.

Dan also had 1 more cupcake game - usually FBS - that Jackie never had. Yeah, Jackie lost some OOC games but he likely beats an FBS every year pre-2001. Jackie also didn't have anywhere near the resources Dan had - nor the support to go get them like Dan had with The Ninja and Loafers. Jackie got Templeton Troughs.

[Coach34]

Dan also had 1 more cupcake game - usually FBS - that Jackie never had. Yeah, Jackie lost some OOC games but he likely beats an FBS every year pre-2001. Jackie also didn't have anywhere near the resources Dan had - nor the support to go get them like Dan had with The Ninja and Loafers. Jackie got Templeton Troughs.

Jackie got to coach in an SEC with Bama having Mike Dubose and Dennis Franchione in it after they forced Stallings out. Pine Box Tommy beat his ass and then left for Auburn. Dont get me started about 4th and 29. Jackie's struggle with UPig is why 1999 wasnt more special. That loss put us in the Peach Bowl instead of a much more prestigious bowl.

8 straight bowls by Mullen. Nationally relevant. We wont ever see that again. What Mullen gave us was generational. We will chase what he gave us for decades

[Todd4State]

Dan also had 1 more cupcake game - usually FBS - that Jackie never had. Yeah, Jackie lost some OOC games but he likely beats an FBS every year pre-2001. Jackie also didn't have anywhere near the resources Dan had - nor the support to go get them like Dan had with The Ninja and Loafers. Jackie got Templeton Troughs.

Exactly.

[Todd4State]

Jackie got to coach in an SEC with Bama having Mike Dubose and Dennis Franchione in it after they forced Stallings out. Pine Box Tommy beat his ass and then left for Auburn. Dont get me started about 4th and 29. Jackie's struggle with UPig is why 1999 wasnt more special. That loss put us in the Peach Bowl instead of a much more prestigious bowl.

8 straight bowls by Mullen. Nationally relevant. We wont ever see that again. What Mullen gave us was generational. We will chase what he gave us for decades

DuBose won the SEC and for the first six years Jackie had to deal with Gene Stallings.

We got screwed against Arkansas. They called back a TD on a "hold" that doesn't get talked about enough. The SEC was going to make damn sure that Jackie didn't win the West back to back.

The late 1990's we were absolutely nationally relevant. Dog Pound Rock. On every other Thursday night it seemed like. Jackie and Joe Lee Dunn and his crazy defense. And we won the SEC West in 1998. That is absolutely nationally relevant. We had Tennessee on the ropes and it basically took a perfect pass to beat us and Tennessee made it. And we didn't have JJ for the Championship game either. Keefer passing away really hurt us because he would have been a senior and would have been the other half of the running back duo Jackie liked to have like Davis/Bouie and Dicenzo/Dontae.

The 1999 team finished 12th in one poll and 13th in the other. 2014 we finished 12th in one poll and 11th in the other. Basically the same spot. Give me the season with the Egg Bowl win and Peach Bowl win over 2014 though. That kind of shit matters when you are talking legacy and Dan didn't get that or cared. He wins the Egg in 2014 or 2015 just one of those- I view him differently. 2017 would have helped too. Say what you want about Jackie but he never let a job search distract him like that. And as you know he was up for the Alabama job in 2000. What did Jackie do? He absolutely kicked their ass in. Pretty badass actually. Dan would have been distracted and not had us ready to play at all and would have lost by three and then lost the UConn job he was trying to get.

[Matt3467]

DuBose won the SEC and for the first six years Jackie had to deal with Gene Stallings.

We got screwed against Arkansas. They called back a TD on a "hold" that doesn't get talked about enough. The SEC was going to make damn sure that Jackie didn't win the West back to back.

The late 1990's we were absolutely nationally relevant. Dog Pound Rock. On every other Thursday night it seemed like. Jackie and Joe Lee Dunn and his crazy defense. And we won the SEC West in 1998. That is absolutely nationally relevant. We had Tennessee on the ropes and it basically took a perfect pass to beat us and Tennessee made it. And we didn't have JJ for the Championship game either. Keefer passing away really hurt us because he would have been a senior and would have been the other half of the running back duo Jackie liked to have like Davis/Bouie and Dicenzo/Dontae.

The 1999 team finished 12th in one poll and 13th in the other. 2014 we finished 12th in one poll and 11th in the other. Basically the same spot. Give me the season with the Egg Bowl win and Peach Bowl win over 2014 though. That kind of shit matters when you are talking legacy and Dan didn't get that or cared. He wins the Egg in 2014 or 2015 just one of those- I view him differently. 2017 would have helped too. Say what you want about Jackie but he never let a job search distract him like that. And as you know he was up for the Alabama job in 2000. What did Jackie do? He absolutely kicked their ass in. Pretty badass actually. Dan would have been distracted and not had us ready to play at all and would have lost by three and then lost the UConn job he was trying to get.

I think you're letting feelings over Mullen cloud your judgment here. The SEC after Jackie left is a completely different animal. The last 20 years the NC has been won by an SEC team 13 times. The 20 years prior to that only 4 times. Mullen may have had a better OOC schedule but the in conference more than made up for that. 8 out of his 9 years here Mullen had offenses among the top 10 best ever at State. He holds the top 7 best single season offensive yards here. Love Jackie but objectively it's not really close.

[EdwardDrayton]

I think you're letting feelings over Mullen cloud your judgment here. The SEC after Jackie left is a completely different animal. The last 20 years the NC has been won by an SEC team 13 times. The 20 years prior to that only 4 times. Mullen may have had a better OOC schedule but the in conference more than made up for that. 8 out of his 9 years here Mullen had offenses among the top 10 best ever at State. He holds the top 7 best single season offensive yards here. Love Jackie but objectively it's not really close.

That TD pass to Peerless Price was almost as painful as the Greg Ellena HR.

[confucius say]

Half of those were from 2001-2003.

1993 we had 2 ties that season. That could have very well been a 5-6 win season with today's rules.
1995 was a disaster I'll give you that.
1996 we went 5-6 and beat Bama and Ole Miss. That's probably a 6-6 season during Dan's era.

Dan was here for 9 years. If you compare what Dan did to Jackie's first 9 years then Jackie is clearly better.

So your argument is that if I take out JWS's three worst seasons then he is better than Dan?
If that's the case, I get to take out Dan's three worst seasons, too.

And even if I'm only taking JWS's first 9 seasons, he still had losing records in year 3 (1993), year 5 (1995), and year 6 (1996). And two of those years, 1993 and 1995, were complete disasters with only 3 wins each.

[Todd4State]

So your argument is that if I take out JWS's three worst seasons then he is better than Dan?
If that's the case, I get to take out Dan's three worst seasons, too.

And even if I'm only taking JWS's first 9 seasons, he still had losing records in year 3 (1993), year 5 (1995), and year 6 (1996). And two of those years, 1993 and 1995, were complete disasters with only 3 wins each.

I took his first 9 years because that's how long Dan coached. So I took out 2000 and left in the three losing seasons you are referring to which I know hurt my argument to prove my point. Because in 2000 he beat both teams that won the division and the Snow Bowl. I also took out his win against Ole Miss and Eli in 2001 too.

And 1993 was not "a complete disaster" as I detailed in other posts. He had 3 wins but also had 2 ties as well. Add in the fact that we played one less game a year and 1993 was a lot closer to 2013 than not.

[Todd4State]

I think you're letting feelings over Mullen cloud your judgment here. The SEC after Jackie left is a completely different animal. The last 20 years the NC has been won by an SEC team 13 times. The 20 years prior to that only 4 times. Mullen may have had a better OOC schedule but the in conference more than made up for that. 8 out of his 9 years here Mullen had offenses among the top 10 best ever at State. He holds the top 7 best single season offensive yards here. Love Jackie but objectively it's not really close.

I'm basing it off of top 25 wins, SEC championships, and memorable wins. Jackie is superior to Dan in all three. Our run from 1996-2000 was the best run of football in the modern era. Dan never had a five year period close to that. And never had a three year run close to 1997-1999 or 1998-2000.

Like I said Leach had almost as many top 25 wins as Dan did in three years. And a good chunk of Dan's top 25 wins came in 2014 over a three week period.

[confucius say]

I took his first 9 years because that's how long Dan coached. So I took out 2000 and left in the three losing seasons you are referring to which I know hurt my argument to prove my point. Because in 2000 he beat both teams that won the division and the Snow Bowl. I also took out his win against Ole Miss and Eli in 2001 too.

And 1993 was not "a complete disaster" as I detailed in other posts. He had 3 wins but also had 2 ties as well. Add in the fact that we played one less game a year and 1993 was a lot closer to 2013 than not.

3-6-2 in year three is a complete disaster. One of the ties was to a 2 win Arkansas State team. Just a complete disaster.
And it's not really close to 2013's 6-6.
It's just as close to 3-9.

Regardless, you have to take their whole respective tenures, not just 9 years (Dan left after 9 years because he was successful. JWS was fired because he completely cratered the program).
When you compare their whole tenures, I think even you agree that Dan > JWS.

[HoopsDawg]

Jackie got to coach in an SEC with Bama having Mike Dubose and Dennis Franchione in it after they forced Stallings out. Pine Box Tommy beat his ass and then left for Auburn. Dont get me started about 4th and 29. Jackie's struggle with UPig is why 1999 wasnt more special. That loss put us in the Peach Bowl instead of a much more prestigious bowl.

8 straight bowls by Mullen. Nationally relevant. We wont ever see that again. What Mullen gave us was generational. We will chase what he gave us for decades

Jackie had to face peak Florida with Spurrier and Peak Tennessee with Fulmer. lol, are you trying to act like the SEC wasn?t good? It was much better than this years SEC.

[confucius say]

I'm basing it off of top 25 wins, SEC championships, and memorable wins. Jackie is superior to Dan in all three. Our run from 1996-2000 was the best run of football in the modern era. Dan never had a five year period close to that. And never had a three year run close to 1997-1999 or 1998-2000.

Like I said Leach had almost as many top 25 wins as Dan did in three years. And a good chunk of Dan's top 25 wins came in 2014 over a three week period.

Well if you cherry pick metrics, sure (JWS never won a sec championship though-he did win a bad West in 98 when we got to play USC, Vandy, and KY from the East, and he deserves credit for that).

But he also put up 6 losing seasons in 13 years, 5 of which were horrible 3-win-or-less seasons. All five of those were much worse than Dan's worst two years of 5-7. And he left the program in shambles, whereas Dan left it in the best shape it's ever been. He gets credit for all of that, too.

[msstate7]

Jackie had to face peak Florida with Spurrier and Peak Tennessee with Fulmer. lol, are you trying to act like the SEC wasn?t good? It was much better than this years SEC.

I think the comparison was sec during JS to sec during DM. It was much better during DM

[confucius say]

Jackie had to face peak Florida with Spurrier and Peak Tennessee with Fulmer. lol, are you trying to act like the SEC wasn?t good? It was much better than this years SEC.

He didn't face either of those two from 1996 through 1999. That benefited us greatly. 1998 and 1999 we drew KY, USCe, and Vandy from the East.
That's when you have to make hay, and to his credit he did.

[Coursesuper]

All this is just BS, what if we hadn’t fired Allen McKeen or what if Darrell Royal doesn’t leave after 1 year because we were cheap? All of these scenarios wouldn’t matter if we weren’t who we are. That’s what we have been unwilling to accept and adjust forever.

[StarkVegasSteve]

All this is just BS, what if we hadn’t fired Allen McKeen or what if Darrell Royal doesn’t leave after 1 year because we were cheap? All of these scenarios wouldn’t matter if we weren’t who we are. That’s what we have been unwilling to accept and adjust forever.

Or what if we would've hired Spurrier, who wanted the job, in 86. Instead we went cheap and hired Rockey.

Or, pivoting to another sport, what if we had pushed more for Roy Williams when we offered him the job in 86.


To put that into perspective, we could've had Roy Williams, Steve Spurrier, and Ron Polk all on campus at the same time.

[BrunswickDawg]

Well if you cherry pick metrics, sure (JWS never won a sec championship though-he did win a bad West in 98 when we got to play USC, Vandy, and KY from the East, and he deserves credit for that).

But he also put up 6 losing seasons in 13 years, 5 of which were horrible 3-win-or-less seasons. All five of those were much worse than Dan's worst two years of 5-7. And he left the program in shambles, whereas Dan left it in the best shape it's ever been. He gets credit for all of that, too.

I just don't think the eras are really comparable. Jackie had no real resources to work with. No $25 million Football practice facility. No East Side Upper Deck or NEZ addition. Terrible locker rooms. No real support coming from LT - unless you count the troughs.
And don't forget - we had the NCAA up our ass the day Jackie walked on campus.

[TrapGame]

Or what if we would've hired Spurrier, who wanted the job, in 86. Instead we went cheap and hired Rockey.

Or, pivoting to another sport, what if we had pushed more for Roy Williams when we offered him the job in 86.


To put that into perspective, we could've had Roy Williams, Steve Spurrier, and Ron Polk all on campus at the same time.

Or if we hired peak Jimbo Fisher in 2003 instead of Croom. Jimbo would have brought in most of Saban's staff from LSU including Muschamp.

[HancockCountyDog]

Ok, then we aren't in disagreement. I absolute can see 8-9 wins, but there will be a drop.

Of course there will be a drop, they won every one score game except one. That doesn't happen often, hell they lost every 1 score game in 2024.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Or if we hired peak Jimbo Fisher in 2003 instead of Croom. Jimbo would have brought in most of Saban's staff from LSU including Muschamp.

Yep. That's another good one. And he would've stayed for a while if I had to guess. I don't think he jumps to LSU when Nick leaves. It would've taken him a year to build at least. But the recruiters we would've had on staff would've been stupid because I imagine Kirby comes with Will. We would've had:

Jimbo Fisher-HC
Will Muschamp-DC
Derek Dooley-RB Coach
Lance Thompson-RC
Kirby Smart-DB Coach

[Homedawg]

Or what if we would've hired Spurrier, who wanted the job, in 86. Instead we went cheap and hired Rockey.

Or, pivoting to another sport, what if we had pushed more for Roy Williams when we offered him the job in 86.


To put that into perspective, we could've had Roy Williams, Steve Spurrier, and Ron Polk all on campus at the same time.

roy williams was never, ever taking our job.

[StarkVegasSteve]

roy williams was never, ever taking our job.

He was considering it. Then he met a student walking on campus and the kid told him to not take the job. He followed up with us about that and the overall perception and we basically just agreed with the student and said it'd be a tough job. Guess who was the one relaying that message. Mr. Poor Ole himself, Larry Templeton.

[HoopsDawg]

He was considering it. Then he met a student walking on campus and the kid told him to not take the job. He followed up with us about that and the overall perception and we basically just agreed with the student and said it'd be a tough job. Guess who was the one relaying that message. Mr. Poor Ole himself, Larry Templeton.

And that student was coach34

[msstate7]

And that student was coach34

Lol

[TrapGame]

Yep. That's another good one. And he would've stayed for a while if I had to guess. I don't think he jumps to LSU when Nick leaves. It would've taken him a year to build at least. But the recruiters we would've had on staff would've been stupid because I imagine Kirby comes with Will. We would've had:

Jimbo Fisher-HC
Will Muschamp-DC
Derek Dooley-RB Coach
Lance Thompson-RC
Kirby Smart-DB Coach

We would have spent four or five years battling Les Miles' LSU for #1 in the West and stealing some of their 4* and 5* recruits while OM dicked around with Orgeron.

It would have been GLORIOUS.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We would have spent four or five years battling Les Miles' LSU for #1 in the West and stealing some of their 4* and 5* recruits while OM dicked around with Orgeron.

It would have been GLORIOUS.

We would've been in the game with Joe McKnight. I know that much.

[Matt3467]

Whittingham leaving Utah after 21 years makes me wonder if the rumors he was interested were real. Point is we've had many chances to better ourselves but we cheap out everytime until we lucked up with Mullen then got semi serious with Leach.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Whittingham leaving Utah after 21 years makes me wonder if the rumors he was interested were real. Point is we've had many chances to better ourselves but we cheap out everytime until we lucked up with Mullen then got semi serious with Leach.

He was very interested and I believe he would've 100% taken it in 17. I don't know about 19 and I know he wouldn't have taken it in 24. But I, for a fact, know that he was very interested in the job in 2017.

[Santiago]

How close was Chris Petersen becoming our HC.
I remember even Boise State radio talk shows thought they had lost him to us briefly.

[StarkVegasSteve]

How close was Chris Petersen becoming our HC.
I remember even Boise State radio talk shows thought they had lost him to us briefly.

There was some interest from both sides and it got serious for a second but it got blown out in the open and we kind of lost negotiating power.

[Santiago]

There was some interest from both sides and it got serious for a second but it got blown out in the open and we kind of lost negotiating power.

Didn't Gene get out front of it , calling Petersen up.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Didn't Gene get out front of it , calling Petersen up.

Gene and Steve started reporting on it and that's how the Boise St brass got wind of it and that kind of blew everything out in the open. I still don't think he would've come but those two ended any real chance we had of it.

[msudawg1200]

roy williams was never, ever taking our job.

He interviewed , was interested, and was offered, but did indeed turn it down. Urban legend has it, supposedly in his book, that he saw a rebel flag hanging in a dorm room and changed his mind. I haven't read his book, nor do I plan to, but I've been told this over the years.

[DownwardDawg]

And that student was coach34

Hahaha!!! Winner!!!

[DownwardDawg]

Gene and Steve started reporting on it and that's how the Boise St brass got wind of it and that kind of blew everything out in the open. I still don't think he would've come but those two ended any real chance we had of it.

ESPN ran it on their ticker late one evening. Even showed money. I think something like 12 million over 4 years. Then it fell apart the next day. Ultimately came down to care for his son.
Or so the story goes

[Coach34]

Whittingham leaving Utah after 21 years makes me wonder if the rumors he was interested were real. Point is we've had many chances to better ourselves but we cheap out everytime until we lucked up with Mullen then got semi serious with Leach.

He was 100% interested. We have an Elitedawg that knows and worked for him. That info was 100

[Coach34]

There was some interest from both sides and it got serious for a second but it got blown out in the open and we kind of lost negotiating power.

Byrne and Peterson knew each other already. We almost locked it down but he got cold feet and backed out. Worked out fine for us with Mullen thank goodness.