Luke Kromenhoek to Enter Portal

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[Todd4State]

What's Lebby doing?!? This is outrageous!****

[Offshore Dawg]

Buy them for what they are worth and sell them for what they think they are worth.

[The Federalist Engineer]

It was worth seeing if he could play, if the price was low. Lesson learned. It's better to get an experienced and performing player from Portland State or Colorado Mesa University

[HancockCountyDog]

It was worth seeing if he could play, if the price was low. Lesson learned. It's better to get an experienced and performing player from Portland State or Colorado Mesa University

For our roster the price was not low. I didn't like the signing when it happened, i thought it was a waste of money.

It was the worst signing we have made and that is saying a lot, because we have spent a good bit of money on two rosters that have gone 1-15 and honestly, this signing pisses me off the most.

We should have known that this was a third string signing. We paid retail for this signing. I doubt he makes 30% of what he made this year anywhere else the rest of his career.

man this one pissed me off.

[Todd4State]

For our roster the price was not low. I didn't like the signing when it happened, i thought it was a waste of money.

It was the worst signing we have made and that is saying a lot, because we have spent a good bit of money on two rosters that have gone 1-15 and honestly, this signing pisses me off the most.

We should have known that this was a third string signing. We paid retail for this signing. I doubt he makes 30% of what he made this year anywhere else the rest of his career.

man this one pissed me off.

I get where you are coming from. But last year at this time we had an injury prone starter and a true freshman as our QB depth chart. We had to have another QB. So I get it from our perspective too.

[The Federalist Engineer]

What do you guys think about being Jackson Arnold's comeback School.

Auburn paid him 1.8M, that needs to be cut by 75% to match his demonstrated SEC value.

Seems like Lebby is his best option but Copilot says UNLV wants him. Dan Mullen can probably get video game numbers from JA in the Mountain West Conference.

[CaptainObvious]

So who are our backups for the Bowl?

[Brobi-wan]

What do you guys think about being Jackson Arnold's comeback School.

Auburn paid him 1.8M, that needs to be cut by 75% to match his demonstrated SEC value.

Seems like Lebby is his best option but Copilot says UNLV wants him. Dan Mullen can probably get video game numbers from JA in the Mountain West Conference.

Do you think he would see the field over Taylor? I doubt it

[TrapGame]

So who are our backups for the Bowl?

He is still the backup. He is in the portal after the bowl game.

[Coach34]

What do you guys think about being Jackson Arnold's comeback School.

Auburn paid him 1.8M, that needs to be cut by 75% to match his demonstrated SEC value.

Seems like Lebby is his best option but Copilot says UNLV wants him. Dan Mullen can probably get video game numbers from JA in the Mountain West Conference.

Somebody out there is going to give Arnold a million plus to come to their school

[parabrave]

Here come Arnold.

[chef dixon]

I wouldn't give Arnold more than 100k

[TrapGame]

I wouldn't give Arnold more than 100k

I wouldn?t give him the time of day.

[chef dixon]

I wouldn?t give him the time of day.

It's definitely a fool me twice situation

[Jarius]

Arnold is young enough to want to try to play somewhere. He knows it won’t be here so he’s not coming here. I didn’t have a problem signing Krome because we had an injury prone starter. Hindsight, we should not have brought back Shapen, but I don’t know that we would have gotten a better guy in the portal.

[BeardoMSU]

I get where you are coming from. But last year at this time we had an injury prone starter and a true freshman as our QB depth chart. We had to have another QB. So I get it from our perspective too.

This. Is what it is.

[Todd4State]

I wouldn?t give him the time of day.

I don't think he would go anywhere that he isn't guaranteed to start. And I wouldn't start him over KT.

We do need to find a back up QB though. Might have to be a guy from a FCS school they just wants to play in the SEC.

[Coach34]

I get where you are coming from. But last year at this time we had an injury prone starter and a true freshman as our QB depth chart. We had to have another QB. So I get it from our perspective too.

Exactly. We had Plastic Man returning and a true freshman. We had to get a guy with playing experience.

[Coach34]

I wouldn't give Arnold more than 100k

Completed 63.3% of his passes

He will get a payday from somebody. Could be B12 or Mountain West- but he will get paid pretty well

[confucius say]

I get where you are coming from. But last year at this time we had an injury prone starter and a true freshman as our QB depth chart. We had to have another QB. So I get it from our perspective too.

A good evaluator would have known KT was capable of handling the backup spot. The money that went to LK could have gotten us the OL we lost to Texas tech.

[confucius say]

Exactly. We had Plastic Man returning and a true freshman. We had to get a guy with playing experience.

Not if we could evaluate properly and know KT was capable of being the backup.

[Jarius]

A good evaluator would have known KT was capable of handling the backup spot. The money that went to LK could have gotten us the OL we lost to Texas tech.

There are HS big time guys that take a while to develop or straight up bust all the time. It’s the hardest position to evaluate and the kid was still in Hs when they signed Krome. They had never even seen him against a college defense. They could not just go into the year hoping he would be what his recruiting ranking said he was before he even got on campus.

[confucius say]

There are HS big time guys that take a while to develop or straight up bust all the time. It?s the hardest position to evaluate and the kid was still in Hs when they signed Krome. They had never even seen him against a college defense. They could not just go into the year hoping he would be what his recruiting ranking said he was before he even got on campus.

Others did and said it from day 1.
LK was a waste of money.

[Homedawg]

For our roster the price was not low. I didn't like the signing when it happened, i thought it was a waste of money.

It was the worst signing we have made and that is saying a lot, because we have spent a good bit of money on two rosters that have gone 1-15 and honestly, this signing pisses me off the most.

We should have known that this was a third string signing. We paid retail for this signing. I doubt he makes 30% of what he made this year anywhere else the rest of his career.

man this one pissed me off.

I can understand this thinking. But we didn't KNOW kt would beat him out. And kt didn't get a lot so it's all the same.

[Homedawg]

I get where you are coming from. But last year at this time we had an injury prone starter and a true freshman as our QB depth chart. We had to have another QB. So I get it from our perspective too.

This is the correct take

[Homedawg]

Not if we could evaluate properly and know KT was capable of being the backup.

I don't care who you are. Evaluating a hs qb is hard. Evaluating a hs qb from noxubee county is a crap shoot. Be real

[Homedawg]

There are HS big time guys that take a while to develop or straight up bust all the time. It’s the hardest position to evaluate and the kid was still in Hs when they signed Krome. They had never even seen him against a college defense. They could not just go into the year hoping he would be what his recruiting ranking said he was before he even got on campus.

Amen

[Homedawg]

Others did and said it from day 1.
LK was a waste of money.

Others? You mean like the idiots that post on message boards??

[Coach34]

Not if we could evaluate properly and know KT was capable of being the backup.

We eval fairly well. We still lack money and had to hedge. It's not like we paid Chicken Hawk alot. As far as QB's go- we paid shit.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Not if we could evaluate properly and know KT was capable of being the backup.

Kt was evaluated properly.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I don't care who you are. Evaluating a hs qb is hard. Evaluating a hs qb from noxubee county is a crap shoot. Be real

And the reality is we don't know that he will do GREAT or Horrible still. 48% passing is not where I think he will be, but that % has got to 60+% in order for his legs to even begin to matter.

[HancockCountyDog]

We could have signed a juco QB for a fraction of the price.

Let?s not act like Kro showed anything at FSU.

[confucius say]

I don't care who you are. Evaluating a hs qb is hard. Evaluating a hs qb from noxubee county is a crap shoot. Be real

Yea you have to be good to do it. Part of what makes lane so good.

[confucius say]

Others? You mean like the idiots that post on message boards??

Im sure some, yes.
But also guys who coach for a living and played at that level.
We're not talking about a random 3 star. We're talking about a generational talent. A great evaluator should see that and trust it.
LK was a waste of money. It sucks, but he was.

[confucius say]

We eval fairly well. We still lack money and had to hedge. It's not like we paid Chicken Hawk alot. As far as QB's go- we paid shit.

How much did we play LK?

[confucius say]

We could have signed a juco QB for a fraction of the price.

Let?s not act like Kro showed anything at FSU.

Correct. It was a bad sign and a waste.

[Todd4State]

We could have signed a juco QB for a fraction of the price.

Let?s not act like Kro showed anything at FSU.

We signed a QB that was a four star and had started a couple of games at Florida State as a true freshman.

No coach is going to take a QB from East Central CC over that.

[Todd4State]

Im sure some, yes.
But also guys who coach for a living and played at that level.
We're not talking about a random 3 star. We're talking about a generational talent. A great evaluator should see that and trust it.
LK was a waste of money. It sucks, but he was.

Generational talent who completed 48% of his passes his last game.

There is no way to know how quickly KT would have picked up the playbook at this time last year. He was running an offense that was literally 8-10 plays which is about half of the size of Leach's playbook. And he is still a work in progress and hasn't mastered the offense yet. And he has made some really rapid progress. And STILL isn't completely ready.

Regardless we HAD TO have a third QB. Both Shapen and KT got hurt during the season- albeit KT got hurt on the last play. But coaches can not predict injuries. Shapen who everyone expected to make it through maybe four games actually made it through the season.

NFL teams carry three QB's for a reason.

How bad would you and our fans have railed the coaches if Shapen and KT got hurt and we had to play with Billy Puckett at QB? See the 1998 Egg Bowl if you want to know the result which is what essentially happened to Ole Miss when Romaro Miller got hurt because they didn't have a legit back up because they were on probation.

[Todd4State]

How much did we play LK?

You may not realize it but you are basically saying that having depth is a waste and a bad thing.

[Pancho]

yes,he is saying that

[Coursesuper]

Im sure some, yes.
But also guys who coach for a living and played at that level.
We're not talking about a random 3 star. We're talking about a generational talent. A great evaluator should see that and trust it.
LK was a waste of money. It sucks, but he was.

Literally everyone I know who coached against him and officiated any games he played said the exact same thing about KT. Very talented player but he is raw, its going to take some time with him at the next level.

[Coursesuper]

We could have signed a juco QB for a fraction of the price.

Let?s not act like Kro showed anything at FSU.

And people who think like this are sitting at Dolly's drinking coffee saying the Hawks are gonna be really good next year.

[Pancho]

this

[Homedawg]

We signed a QB that was a four star and had started a couple of games at Florida State as a true freshman.

No coach is going to take a QB from East Central CC over that.

Correct. And had we not and taken the qb from cc. And shapen gotten hurt early people would have lost their minds of why we didn't sign another qb.

[Homedawg]

Generational talent who completed 48% of his passes his last game.

There is no way to know how quickly KT would have picked up the playbook at this time last year. He was running an offense that was literally 8-10 plays which is about half of the size of Leach's playbook. And he is still a work in progress and hasn't mastered the offense yet. And he has made some really rapid progress. And STILL isn't completely ready.

Regardless we HAD TO have a third QB. Both Shapen and KT got hurt during the season- albeit KT got hurt on the last play. But coaches can not predict injuries. Shapen who everyone expected to make it through maybe four games actually made it through the season.

NFL teams carry three QB's for a reason.

How bad would you and our fans have railed the coaches if Shapen and KT got hurt and we had to play with Billy Puckett at QB? See the 1998 Egg Bowl if you want to know the result which is what essentially happened to Ole Miss when Romaro Miller got hurt because they didn't have a legit back up because they were on probation.

Should have read this one before posting the last one! Ha. Yep

[Homedawg]

How much did we play LK?

He wasn't cheap. But qb's aren't. For that matter everyone is over paid.

[BigDawg81]

I would take Arnold if it was for cheap and knowing that he would be the backup but somebody will pay him good money to be the starter.

[confucius say]

Kt was evaluated properly.

Wait. You're saying we evaluated KT and knew he was going to be the number 2 behind Shapen and we STILL went and spent significant 6 figures on LK?? That would have been incredibly dumb of us to spend that kind of money on a guy we knew would be our 3rd string QB.

[confucius say]

You may not realize it but you are basically saying that having depth is a waste and a bad thing.

I'm saying overspending on a 3rd string qb for a team on a budget is stupid. If we had unlimited funds, sure spend significant money on LK.
But we lost out on the OL who went to TT because we were short on the money. Take the money that went to LK and give it to that OL and we our much better.

[confucius say]

Literally everyone I know who coached against him and officiated any games he played said the exact same thing about KT. Very talented player but he is raw, going to take some time with him at the next level.

None of that matters. Our coaches decided he was the clear Number 2 ahead of LK from the first game on.
That's all this conversation is about - whether we should have spent significant money on a third string QB. We should not have. Had we known KT was going to be the clear number 2 there is no way we throw significant money at LK. It was a mistake.

[confucius say]

Correct. And had we not and taken the qb from cc. And shapen gotten hurt early people would have lost their minds of why we didn't sign another qb.

No they wouldn't. Because KT was the clear number 2 behind Shapen. Not LK or said hypothetical juco QB. We already had our backup and didn't know it. That's the whole point here.

[confucius say]

He wasn't cheap. But qb's aren't. For that matter everyone is over paid.

Exactly. Which is why you don't spend significant money on a third string qb. It was a mistake. And I'm a lebby guy. To a fault honestly.
But we missed there and wasted money.

[tcdog70]

I don't care who you are. Evaluating a hs qb is hard. Evaluating a hs qb from noxubee county is a crap shoot. Be real

Ray Charles could have seen KT was the real deal--no crap shoot at all. He won everycamp he went to.

[Coursesuper]

None of that matters. Our coaches decided he was the clear Number 2 ahead of LK from the first game on.
That's all this conversation is about - whether we should have spent significant money on a third string QB. We should not have. Had we known KT was going to be the clear number 2 there is no way we throw significant money at LK. It was a mistake.

Last time I checked Taylor signed last Dec and Hawk signed in Jan. Both went through spring and then fall camp, so your premise is not even close to on point. The staff had seen neither one on our own field yet to even make depth chart call when they were signed.
You are the king of knowing things that aren't true and a master of selective hindsight when it come to picking apart your perceived inadequacies of this staff.

[tcdog70]

We signed a QB that was a four star and had started a couple of games at Florida State as a true freshman.

No coach is going to take a QB from East Central CC over that.

Ga took a qb from Jones and won a Natty Ole Miss took several from Scooba.

[Brahmabull]

We didn't overspend on a 3rd team QB at the time of signings. We did not pay KT much and given he was a raw HS QB playing in a limited system at Nox, he was the 3rd team QB we paid. Now, you can argue we overpaid our 2nd team QB at the time of signing, but given the circumstances (Shapen injury prone and a HS guy) we had to pay him what it costs to get him.

[HancockCountyDog]

Here is the deal on a backup QB, we can't afford to have a quality backup. We just can't. We have to find a decent Juco or DII QB that is willing to come and play on the cheap.

If KT goes down, what does it matter we aren't winning anything. I would rather go extremely cheap at Backup QB, if it means we can use that money towards an impact DL, OL or WR.

You hope to get lucky like the bears did and find a QB that can be serviceable.

We cannot pay a third string QB the amount of money we paid Kro this past year. IT is inexcusable moving forward.

[HancockCountyDog]

We did not pay KT much .

I'm not sure who your source is on this, but you are wrong. Georgia offered him last year and made a very strong NIL offer to him. We did a great job stepping up because we knew how rare it is to have an elite talent like KT that actually wants to come to MSU right now. We were his first choice over GA. Do you know how rare that is? So of course we stepped up.

[BrunswickDawg]

Here is the deal on a backup QB, we can't afford to have a quality backup. We just can't. We have to find a decent Juco or DII QB that is willing to come and play on the cheap.

If KT goes down, what does it matter we aren't winning anything. I would rather go extremely cheap at Backup QB, if it means we can use that money towards an impact DL, OL or WR.

You hope to get lucky like the bears did and find a QB that can be serviceable.

We cannot pay a third string QB the amount of money we paid Kro this past year. IT is inexcusable moving forward.

In general, I don't think what you are saying is wrong. I just don't think it applies to where we were in 2025.
We had already seen in 2024 what happens when QB1 goes down and your only option is a True Freshman (MVB) or a RS who hadn't really played (Parson).
Knowing Shapen's injury history, putting ourselves in that position 2 years in a row was not going to cut it. If Shapen had been injured again early in the season we would have been staring down another 2-10 type season.
Bringing in Kro was the right call for 2025. And if I was in Lebby's shoes - coming off a 2-10 season - I'm signing and paying for the best QB I can.

For 2026 we still need a QB2. But, I think because we think KT is durable and can be the guy, and have a pretty solid incoming guy in McWhorter going with a solid FCS/DII/JUCO QB makes sense.
It's all about context

[Brobi-wan]

Others did and said it from day 1.
LK was a waste of money.

I wouldn?t confuse luck with ?evaluation?

[confucius say]

Last time I checked Taylor signed last Dec and Hawk signed in Jan. Both went through spring and then fall camp, so your premise is not even close to on point. The staff had seen neither one on our own field yet to even make depth chart call when they were signed.
You are the king of knowing things that aren't true and a master of selective hindsight when it come to picking apart your perceived inadequacies of this staff.

It's 💯 on point. Our staff whiffed on making the call that KT would be the clear number 2 ahead of LK in 2025 before both signed. Had they been able to see that prior to them signing they would not have spent substantial money on a third string QB in LK. They whiffed and wasted money, plain and simple.

And what I know that is true is that our staff determined by Game 1 that KT was the number 2 ahead of LK. That is an uncontested fact. And the fact that our staff couldn't see that prior to signing both resulted in us overpaying a third string QB in LK. The only real question here is whether that mistake by our staff is excusable. It may be. But it was still a mistake, which is my only point.

[confucius say]

We didn't overspend on a 3rd team QB at the time of signings. We did not pay KT much and given he was a raw HS QB playing in a limited system at Nox, he was the 3rd team QB we paid. Now, you can argue we overpaid our 2nd team QB at the time of signing, but given the circumstances (Shapen injury prone and a HS guy) we had to pay him what it costs to get him.

That we couldn't tell who was our clear number 2 and who was our third string at the time of signing is the problem. That's the whole issue and what caused us to overpay LK. Had we known KT was going to be the clear number 2 ahead of LK, we don't spend substantial money on LK. I'm fine with saying it's an excusable mistake, but it was unquestionably a mistake.

[confucius say]

Here is the deal on a backup QB, we can't afford to have a quality backup. We just can't. We have to find a decent Juco or DII QB that is willing to come and play on the cheap.

If KT goes down, what does it matter we aren't winning anything. I would rather go extremely cheap at Backup QB, if it means we can use that money towards an impact DL, OL or WR.

You hope to get lucky like the bears did and find a QB that can be serviceable.

We cannot pay a third string QB the amount of money we paid Kro this past year. IT is inexcusable moving forward.

That last paragraph is exactly right. Doing so cost us other players.

[confucius say]

In general, I don't think what you are saying is wrong. I just don't think it applies to where we were in 2025.
We had already seen in 2024 what happens when QB1 goes down and your only option is a True Freshman (MVB) or a RS who hadn't really played (Parson).
Knowing Shapen's injury history, putting ourselves in that position 2 years in a row was not going to cut it. If Shapen had been injured again early in the season we would have been staring down another 2-10 type season.
Bringing in Kro was the right call for 2025. And if I was in Lebby's shoes - coming off a 2-10 season - I'm signing and paying for the best QB I can.

For 2026 we still need a QB2. But, I think because we think KT is durable and can be the guy, and have a pretty solid incoming guy in McWhorter going with a solid FCS/DII/JUCO QB makes sense.
It's all about context

It is about context.
And the 2024 true freshman that had to play (MVB) is not the 2025 true freshman that would have had to play if Shapen went down (KT). Our staff couldn't see that last January so they threw substantial money at LK. Sucks, but that's the truth.

[Coach34]

Here is the deal on a backup QB, we can't afford to have a quality backup. We just can't. We have to find a decent Juco or DII QB that is willing to come and play on the cheap..

Our entire QB room was about 1.5MM. Most of the SEC spent that for their starter by himself. We spent very little compared to the rest of the SEC. No idea why you guys are freaking out about this. Hindsight is 20/20

[confucius say]

Our entire QB room was about 1.5MM. Most of the SEC spent that for their starter by himself. We spent very little compared to the rest of the SEC. No idea why you guys are freaking out about this. Hindsight is 20/20

Because I was told, even with hindsight, that depth is a good thing and paying LK what we paid him was not a mistake.
It was a mistake. It was wasted money, and we need to learn from it going forward.

[Gutter Cobreh]

It is about context.
And the 2024 true freshman that had to play (MVB) is not the 2025 true freshman that would have had to play if Shapen went down (KT). Our staff couldn't see that last January so they threw substantial money at LK. Sucks, but that's the truth.

Also, MVB transfers. We're lucky in a sense that KT hasn't expressed an interest in transferring. If were to transfer the money spent on LK would be worth it because we have a QB that has been able to learn the system for a year ready to go.


Because I was told, even with hindsight, that depth is a good thing and paying LK what we paid him was not a mistake.
It was a mistake. It was wasted money, and we need to learn from it going forward.

How much of what LK was paid came from you? If the answer is $0, then your opinion doesn't matter. If you did contribute, then when you place your next donation - earmark that for a specific player you think adds "value".

[Coach34]

Because I was told, even with hindsight, that depth is a good thing and paying LK what we paid him was not a mistake.
It was a mistake. It was wasted money, and we need to learn from it going forward.

Well, in hindsight, Whitson was wasted money.

[BlackSailsDawg]

In general, I don't think what you are saying is wrong. I just don't think it applies to where we were in 2025.
We had already seen in 2024 what happens when QB1 goes down and your only option is a True Freshman (MVB) or a RS who hadn't really played (Parson).
Knowing Shapen's injury history, putting ourselves in that position 2 years in a row was not going to cut it. If Shapen had been injured again early in the season we would have been staring down another 2-10 type season.
Bringing in Kro was the right call for 2025. And if I was in Lebby's shoes - coming off a 2-10 season - I'm signing and paying for the best QB I can.

For 2026 we still need a QB2. But, I think because we think KT is durable and can be the guy, and have a pretty solid incoming guy in McWhorter going with a solid FCS/DII/JUCO QB makes sense.
It's all about context

We are going to need 2 QBs. And If I had a say in it, he would go get a possible QB1 x 2 and make all 3 of them work for the job.

[Pancho]

better get some of the expert talent evaluators on here to find us a good backup QB in case next years OL performs like this on in 25. KT will need time to heal.

[Brahmabull]

Well, in hindsight, Whitson was wasted money.

What about Steen????

[Pancho]

sure and probably others with the way these experts on here talk

[confucius say]

Well, in hindsight, Whitson was wasted money.

One was within our control due to flawed evaluation.
The other was not and was due to an injury.

[confucius say]

We are going to need 2 QBs. And If I had a say in it, he would go get a possible QB1 x 2 and make all 3 of them work for the job.

I love the plan if we had unlimited funds. But I'd rather take the money we'd spend on two number 1 QB and get two legit linemen.

[confucius say]

sure and probably others with the way these experts on here talk

You do understand that we should expect more from people we pay hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars to do the job than we do of ourselves, right? I mean, you surely would expect more of your heart surgeon than me when it comes to heart surgery.

[MBDawg601]

You do understand that we should expect more from people we pay hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars to do the job than we do of ourselves, right? I mean, you surely would expect more of your heart surgeon than me when it comes to heart surgery.

Well, I think majority of folks thought it was a good get bringing in LK. We can’t look back after the season and say, “what a waste.”. Monday morning qb at its finest it was a gamble and maybe he just cannot learn the offense? He was highly rated and heavily recruited coming out of HS. We are not the only ones that “missed”.

[Coach34]

Well, I think majority of folks thought it was a good get bringing in LK. We can’t look back after the season and say, “what a waste.”. Monday morning qb at its finest it was a gamble and maybe he just cannot learn the offense? He was highly rated and heavily recruited coming out of HS. We are not the only ones that “missed”.

It was only a "waste" because Plastic Man stayed pretty healthy this season. Had he broken down in Game 4- then its very likely Chicken Hawk would have played quite a bit over the course of the last 8 games

[BrunswickDawg]

It is about context.
And the 2024 true freshman that had to play (MVB) is not the 2025 true freshman that would have had to play if Shapen went down (KT). Our staff couldn't see that last January so they threw substantial money at LK. Sucks, but that's the truth.

I just keep thinking about Billy Beane in Moneyball when he fires the lead A's scout - "You don't have a crystal ball. You can't look at a kid and predict his future anymore than I can. I've sat at those kitchen tables with you and listened to you tell those parents 'when I know I know, and when it comes to your son - I Know'. And you don't. You don't."

[MBDawg601]

It was only a "waste" because Plastic Man stayed pretty healthy this season. Had he broken down in Game 4- then its very likely Chicken Hawk would have played quite a bit over the course of the last 8 games

Exactly, but saying that bringing in LK, one of the highest rated QB prospects in miss state history was a mistake is idiotic. Dude can play, and will likely play somewhere. We have a history of QBs transferring out and becoming stars elsewhere.

[Pancho]

You do understand that we should expect more from people we pay hundreds of thousands/millions of dollars to do the job than we do of ourselves, right? I mean, you surely would expect more of your heart surgeon than me when it comes to heart surgery.

I wouldn't compare this BS to anything serious as ones health.

[confucius say]

I wouldn't compare this BS to anything serious as ones health.

Use whatever analogy you want. We expect people who get paid exorbitant amounts of money to do their job to be better at said job than a layman.

[confucius say]

Exactly, but saying that bringing in LK, one of the highest rated QB prospects in miss state history was a mistake is idiotic. Dude can play, and will likely play somewhere. We have a history of QBs transferring out and becoming stars elsewhere.

It's not about whether he can play. It's about whether we have him above KT. We don't.

And I'm drawing a blank, what history of QBs have we had transfer out who went on to be stars elsewhere? Not saying you're wrong, I just can't recall them.

[Coursesuper]

It's 💯 on point. Our staff whiffed on making the call that KT would be the clear number 2 ahead of LK in 2025 before both signed. Had they been able to see that prior to them signing they would not have spent substantial money on a third string QB in LK. They whiffed and wasted money, plain and simple.

And what I know that is true is that our staff determined by Game 1 that KT was the number 2 ahead of LK. That is an uncontested fact. And the fact that our staff couldn't see that prior to signing both resulted in us overpaying a third string QB in LK. The only real question here is whether that mistake by our staff is excusable. It may be. But it was still a mistake, which is my only point.

There is no way that anyone could evaluate kt in 3A in Mississippi and hawk at FSU and not offer Hawk. If thats the point then you have no idea what you?re bitching about and are just here to bitch.

[HoopsDawg]

Our entire QB room was about 1.5MM. Most of the SEC spent that for their starter by himself. We spent very little compared to the rest of the SEC. No idea why you guys are freaking out about this. Hindsight is 20/20

Probably bc we have to do things differently to be successful. That might mean having a trash backup so we can afford a better starting LT.

[Todd4State]

Probably bc we have to do things differently to be successful. That might mean having a trash backup so we can afford a better starting LT.

One thing I would have done is bring in Loadholt sooner than we did. That messed us up this year.

[Pancho]

There is no way that anyone could evaluate kt in 3A in Mississippi and hawk at FSU and not offer Hawk. If thats the point then you have no idea what you?re bitching about and are just here to bitch.

you have him pegged

[DawgFromOxford]

Ah come on guys, all Confucius is asking for is for the staff to accurately predict the future. What?s so hard about that?

[Brobi-wan]

There is no way that anyone could evaluate kt in 3A in Mississippi and hawk at FSU and not offer Hawk. If thats the point then you have no idea what you?re bitching about and are just here to bitch.

I concur. KT was injured in his single start. Couldn’t imagine us having a JC QB and if Blake and him had gone down. Then he would want Lebby fired for not having LK.

[Bothrops]

Chromeanhawk should get a meeting with Dan Mullen

[R2Dawg]

Exactly. Which is why you don't spend significant money on a third string qb. It was a mistake. And I'm a lebby guy. To a fault honestly.
But we missed there and wasted money.

Agree wasted money and opportunity.

But ah, here we are where every team has buyers remorse over overpaying for players that are not delivering. I miss the days where players played because they wanted to for the school they chose. Heck, UGA even sued a player over it.

What a crap show NCAA football has become.

[Pancho]

I doubt he would have signed for $50 but maybe confucious is correct. We'd sure save cash

[confucius say]

There is no way that anyone could evaluate kt in 3A in Mississippi and hawk at FSU and not offer Hawk. If thats the point then you have no idea what you?re bitching about and are just here to bitch.

If that first sentence is true then we need different people evaluating. At a minimum our staff should know they would be close enough to each other that throwing a bag at LK is unnecessary.

[confucius say]

you have him pegged

If you look at my posts I'm actually one who defends our staff too much. To a fault tbh.
Yall are just salty because you know I'm right that LK was wasted money. Maybe it was an excusable mistake, but it was clearly a mistake. Even the great Steve Robertson agrees.

[confucius say]

Ah come on guys, all Confucius is asking for is for the staff to accurately predict the future. What?s so hard about that?

That would be nice. More to the point though, I'm asking us to acknowledge that we made a mistake and learn from said mistake so as to try to prevent said mistake from happening again. People on here can't even admit that LK was wasted money.

[DawgFromOxford]

That would be nice. More to the point though, I'm asking us to acknowledge that we made a mistake and learn from said mistake so as to try to prevent said mistake from happening again. People on here can't even admit that LK was wasted money.

1. I don?t know how much we paid LK so if you know that figure feel free to educate me.
2. I?m not going to fault the staff for having an insurance plan for the most important position. It?s like saying home insurance is a waste of money. Could I have more money in my 401k if I didn?t pay for it? absolutely. But in the worst case scenario (aka Shapen and Taylor both go down) I want it in place.

[MBDawg601]

It's not about whether he can play. It's about whether we have him above KT. We don't.

And I'm drawing a blank, what history of QBs have we had transfer out who went on to be stars elsewhere? Not saying you're wrong, I just can't recall them.

I exaggerated a bit. Not quite a history, but Sawyer Robertson was who I was referring to. Dude had a great year at Baylor and saw the field at DWS when he ran out of the tunnel and during time outs when he handed Will a towel. Doesn’t mean he was terrible at Ms State, but never got his shot.

[Coursesuper]

If that first sentence is true then we need different people evaluating. At a minimum our staff should know they would be close enough to each other that throwing a bag at LK is unnecessary.

If you had any idea what you were talking about you would understand how ignorant this sounds and you would be embarrassed. But you have no clue and just want to bitch. Done here and with you into the air lock you go. For everyone else, this is the kind of clown that holds us down, he and his ilk are exactly why we can’t have nice things. Screaming at the sky about inane nonsense over and over again is just tiresome.

[Homedawg]

If that first sentence is true then we need different people evaluating. At a minimum our staff should know they would be close enough to each other that throwing a bag at LK is unnecessary.

I get your point. But the nfl misses on qb every single draft. It's hard. Yet you're trying to make everyone believe how easy this was. At noxubee. It isn't and it wasn't. We couldn't sit and go w just shapen and KT. And crap, KT still has a ton to prove. I think he gets there. But it's a process.

[confucius say]

I get your point. But the nfl misses on qb every single draft. It's hard. Yet you're trying to make everyone believe how easy this was. At noxubee. It isn't and it wasn't. We couldn't sit and go w just shapen and KT. And crap, KT still has a ton to prove. I think he gets there. But it's a process.

It is hard. No doubt. Which is why I said it can be seen as an excusable mistake. But a mistake nonetheless.

[confucius say]

If you had any idea what you were talking about you would understand how ignorant this sounds and you would be embarrassed. But you have no clue and just want to bitch. Done here and with you into the air lock you go. For everyone else, this is the kind of clown that holds us down, he and his ilk are exactly why we can’t have nice things. Screaming at the sky about inane nonsense over and over again is just tiresome.

You seem angry. It's just a debate. Not personal. God bless.

[Pancho]

who, in your expert opinion should we have paid instead off hook and how much? we spent less on QB's than any other SEC team

[HoopsDawg]

who, in your expert opinion should we have paid instead off hook and how much? we spent less on QB's than any other SEC team

I know you aren?t asking me, but I?ll answer. Signing Luke was the practical move. But what has that ever gotten us? We HAVE to do things differently. We should have just rolled with Shapen, KT and a cheap emergency QB. And taken all of that money we put into Luke and given it to another Olinemen and Dlinemen.

[The Federalist Engineer]

I know you aren?t asking me, but I?ll answer. Signing Luke was the practical move. But what has that ever gotten us? We HAVE to do things differently. We should have just rolled with Shapen, KT and a cheap emergency QB. And taken all of that money we put into Luke and given it to another Olinemen and Dlinemen.

Live and learn. The Texas Tech billionaire spends the cash on OL and DL. Says that QBs from the trash bin need to stay in the trash bin

[Todd4State]

It is hard. No doubt. Which is why I said it can be seen as an excusable mistake. But a mistake nonetheless.

It wasn't a mistake at all. He was brought in for depth. Technically he did his job and did what he was brought in to do- which was to provide that depth. It's not his fault or ours that he wasn't needed. QB is a more important position than offensive line. If you don't have a good one even if you have the best offensive line in the world then you are still going to be really limited. That's why Ole Miss brought in Chambliss. And they would have absolutely been screwed had they put all of their eggs into Simmons basket.

The thing is though- besides that- we don't need to be in a situation where we are having to choose where we are allocating our money and having to pick between offensive line and QB. We need enough money to build a complete team. And to be fair we brought in Steen to play tackle. He got hurt against USM. Our offensive line and QB's are completely separate issues on the team that are necessarily related to each other. If we're having to pick and choose we are screwed anyway. It's not either/or. Had Loadholt been brought in sooner I don't think we would have had the issues we did because he was brought in after the first portal window closed. Which makes me think we could and would have added the depth there that we needed. And then things got compounded by injuries to guys like Albert Reese.

Essentially you are blaming our staff for not having a crystal ball while you have the benefit of hindsight that no one had at the time.

[Todd4State]

I know you aren?t asking me, but I?ll answer. Signing Luke was the practical move. But what has that ever gotten us? We HAVE to do things differently. We should have just rolled with Shapen, KT and a cheap emergency QB. And taken all of that money we put into Luke and given it to another Olinemen and Dlinemen.

But again- the issue isn't that we were practical. The issue is we aren't complete.

That's been the issue the whole time going back to at least Dan. See the 2015 offensive line. The 2016 smurf WR corp. Every year it was a different issue because we didn't address ALL of our needs. We have to get away from the philosophy of hire a coaching genius to overcome our lack of players. We have to get away from "Dan is going to get a bunch of 2-3 star diamonds in the rough and develop and coach them up" or "Leach is going to do more with less" or the blanket statement "MSU football has to be a little bit different". And more currently we have to get away from bringing guys like David Turner back because "we like him and he recruited Jeffrey Simmons 10 years ago." And Bumphis turned out to be not much better and was probably more useful as an insider to the media than he was as a WR coach.

We have to invest into recruiting which MSU fans hate doing but that is the only way out of this. And honestly we're probably going to have to overspend some to get the players we need to get a complete team.

[HoopsDawg]

But again- the issue isn't that we were practical. The issue is we aren't complete.

That's been the issue the whole time going back to at least Dan. See the 2015 offensive line. The 2016 smurf WR corp. Every year it was a different issue because we didn't address ALL of our needs. We have to get away from the philosophy of hire a coaching genius to overcome our lack of players. We have to get away from "Dan is going to get a bunch of 2-3 star diamonds in the rough and develop and coach them up" or "Leach is going to do more with less" or the blanket statement "MSU football has to be a little bit different". And more currently we have to get away from bringing guys like David Turner back because "we like him and he recruited Jeffrey Simmons 10 years ago." And Bumphis turned out to be not much better and was probably more useful as an insider to the media than he was as a WR coach.

We have to invest into recruiting which MSU fans hate doing but that is the only way out of this. And honestly we're probably going to have to overspend some to get the players we need to get a complete team.

No Todd. We spent too much on the guy.

[Todd4State]

No Todd. We spent too much on the guy.

That's irrelevant because we still wouldn't have had enough to spend on the rest of the team we needed anyway. We needed way more than one more offensive and defensive lineman.

And no one would be saying we spent too much on him if we had a couple of injuries at QB.

[HoopsDawg]

That's irrelevant because we still wouldn't have had enough to spend on the rest of the team we needed anyway. We needed way more than one more offensive and defensive lineman.

And no one would be saying we spent too much on him if we had a couple of injuries at QB.

You don?t get it. And that?s ok.

But if KT goes down next year, we are f?d. Dont blow 500k on a backup QB to go 7-5.

And you are wrong, a legit LT and 1 more DL, we go 9-3. Hell, we may have gone 8-4 had Whitson not gotten hurt. We lost 3 games on basically the last play.

[HoopsDawg]

And no one would be saying we spent too much on him if we had a couple of injuries at QB.

What if we did have 2 injuries and Luke had played QB. What would have changed? Absolutely nothing.

Now imagine 2 better olinemen. Or a pass rusher. That moves the needle. We have to do things differently. Or we can just keep getting the same results

[Todd4State]

You don?t get it. And that?s ok.

But if KT goes down next year, we are f?d. Dont blow 500k on a backup QB to go 7-5.

And you are wrong, a legit LT and 1 more DL, we go 9-3. Hell, we may have gone 8-4 had Whitson not gotten hurt. We lost 3 games on basically the last play.


What if we did have 2 injuries and Luke had played QB. What would have changed? Absolutely nothing.

Now imagine 2 better olinemen. Or a pass rusher. That moves the needle. We have to do things differently. Or we can just keep getting the same results

Again, you are operating off of hindsight that no one could have known at this time last year. You are also making this too cut and dried.

What if Steen and Whitson don't get hurt? Our staff basically gambled that the historically more injury prone player at the position with the least experience had the most risk. It just didn't work out that way.

What if we signed players better than Red Hibbler and cut Bingley-Jones? What if we didn't sign the center from UTEP who provided nothing or Mayberry who didn't help us out at all or Jaekwon Bouldin? And how much NIL did we spend on an excessive amount of JUCO players last year who as a group contributed very little? I'm pretty sure I mentioned at least 500K in NIL deadweight out of that group if not more. There is an evaluation piece to this and Turner failed at that on the defensive line. Kennedy failed at it on the offensive line. There is a reason why Lebby wanted to increase the scouting dept at the end of the season. None of that has anything to do with us getting Kromenhoek. And who is to say that if we did allocate the money we used on Kroemenhoek that we would have added useable players?

In the meantime if we had two injuries at QB- it depends on when they happened. I don't think we beat Arizona State or Arkansas with Billy Puckett. And if that happens we don't go to a bowl so yeah- it could have made a major difference. And not that Kromenhoek wins those games either but we definitely have a better chance of winning them.

[Todd4State]

And MSU actually building a complete team IS different than what we have been doing. When we cut corners we usually get burned it seems.

[R2Dawg]

You don?t get it. And that?s ok.

But if KT goes down next year, we are f?d. Dont blow 500k on a backup QB to go 7-5.

And you are wrong, a legit LT and 1 more DL, we go 9-3. Hell, we may have gone 8-4 had Whitson not gotten hurt. We lost 3 games on basically the last play.

Yep Whitson wrecked 2-3 drives a game by himself. NIL for every team is about being smart. Everyone don't or shouldn't get paid.

[DawgFromOxford]

No Todd. We spent too much on the guy.

How much did LK get paid this year?

[BrunswickDawg]

How much did LK get paid this year?

That's the thing here - nobody knows. So no one can make a real call on this dumb argument.

Lebby was right, coming off 2-10, to bring in insurance at QB. He couldn't afford 2-10 with a rookie QB again. Hell, too many already want him fired for 5-7. He would have been crucified doing that again. And no - KT didn't show me enough to say that if Shapen got injured early we would have done any better than under MVB.

[Coursesuper]

That's the thing here - nobody knows. So no one can make a real call on this dumb argument.

Lebby was right, coming off 2-10, to bring in insurance at QB. He couldn't afford 2-10 with a rookie QB again. Hell, too many already want him fired for 5-7. He would have been crucified doing that again. And no - KT didn't show me enough to say that if Shapen got injured early we would have done any better than under MVB.

Stop making perfect sense! It’s going to break something around here.

[HoopsDawg]

Stop making perfect sense! It’s going to break something around here.

Let?s keep trying to do what everyone else does. Hows that working.

[MBDawg601]

Let?s keep trying to do what everyone else does. Hows that working.

We’re not. We spend a lot less that majority if not all of the SEC. It is showing. We need to spend more to compete, it’s really that simple. Nickel and dime whining about a backup qb (highest rated QB prospect we have ever signed by the way) isn’t a good spot to be in.

[HoopsDawg]

We’re not. We spend a lot less that majority if not all of the SEC. It is showing. We need to spend more to compete, it’s really that simple. Nickel and dime whining about a backup qb (highest rated QB prospect we have ever signed by the way) isn’t a good spot to be in.

Oh, just spend more! Why didnt I think of that.

[MBDawg601]

Oh, just spend more! Why didnt I think of that.

Well, you insinuated that we are doing what other teams are doing. I helped you figure out what we are not doing.

[BrunswickDawg]

This thread shows a longstanding problem with MSU - our fans do not believe in the passing game. They think a running QB, and hosses up front and 3 yards and a cloud of dust - and that's MSU. QB play and recruiting (and the trickle effect on WR recruiting) doesn't matter and "that's not MSU football." So spending on a QB2 is bad.

Well folks, that philosophy doesn't work today - and outside of about 8 weeks in 2014 has gotten us bupkis in football. Leach, and now Lebby is still trying to bring modern football to Starkville. Don't be shocked when we sign another portal QB this year. Because you have to have a quality QB2 in today's game.

And yes, we need to spend money. And need better OL and DL. And yes our fans are being asked to pay for it. And yes it sucks. And our fans will kick and scream and resist and yell "fire the coach, and just pay the Scooba Tech guy $500k and we can win "unconventionally" by spending less while Vandy runs circles around us.

[HoopsDawg]

This thread shows a longstanding problem with MSU - our fans do not believe in the passing game. They think a running QB, and hosses up front and 3 yards and a cloud of dust - and that's MSU. QB play and recruiting (and the trickle effect on WR recruiting) doesn't matter and "that's not MSU football." So spending on a QB2 is bad.

Well folks, that philosophy doesn't work today - and outside of about 8 weeks in 2014 has gotten us bupkis in football. Leach, and now Lebby is still trying to bring modern football to Starkville. Don't be shocked when we sign another portal QB this year. Because you have to have a quality QB2 in today's game.

And yes, we need to spend money. And need better OL and DL. And yes our fans are being asked to pay for it. And yes it sucks. And our fans will kick and scream and resist and yell "fire the coach, and just pay the Scooba Tech guy $500k and we can win "unconventionally" by spending less while Vandy runs circles around us.

KT is a guy we can build around. Lebby is a coach that can get it done. If ever there was a time to spend, it?s now. But we cant afford to drop 500k on a backup QB. Texas Tech has spent a ton but they have also spent wisely thanks to their analytics team. I hope we do the same.

[Coach34]

But we cant afford to drop 500k on a backup QB. Texas Tech has spent a ton but they have also spent wisely thanks to their analytics team. I hope we do the same.

A) We're going to have to spend 500K on a QB unless we find a D-II Diamond or something

B) I dont think we have an analytics team. We dont have the money for that kind of shit. Mississippi spent almost twice what we do for assistants and off field personnel. We lost the WR coach battle over money. It's tough when you are a bottom spender in a big money league. And we are a bottom spender program wide

[HoopsDawg]

A) We're going to have to spend 500K on a QB unless we find a D-II Diamond or something

B) I dont think we have an analytics team. We dont have the money for that kind of shit. Mississippi spent almost twice what we do for assistants and off field personnel. We lost the WR coach battle over money. It's tough when you are a bottom spender in a big money league. And we are a bottom spender program wide

A) D2 is the way to go
B) then we have no shot

[Goldendawg]

This thread shows a longstanding problem with MSU - our fans do not believe in the passing game. They think a running QB, and hosses up front and 3 yards and a cloud of dust - and that's MSU. QB play and recruiting (and the trickle effect on WR recruiting) doesn't matter and "that's not MSU football." So spending on a QB2 is bad.

Well folks, that philosophy doesn't work today - and outside of about 8 weeks in 2014 has gotten us bupkis in football. Leach, and now Lebby is still trying to bring modern football to Starkville. Don't be shocked when we sign another portal QB this year. Because you have to have a quality QB2 in today's game.

And yes, we need to spend money. And need better OL and DL. And yes our fans are being asked to pay for it. And yes it sucks. And our fans will kick and scream and resist and yell "fire the coach, and just pay the Scooba Tech guy $500k and we can win "unconventionally" by spending less while Vandy runs circles around us.

I disagree with your analysis of the basic MSU fans. I saw my first MSU game as an 8-year-old in 1963 (10-10 Egg Bowl) and have seen many different Offenses, some good. many bad. I never heard anyone complaining when Pharr was lighting up the passing game to Smith and Milner, or running the Wishbone or the Veer or many other offenses excpet when we were losing.

Win in the SEC, not 0-8 or 1-7 and I don't care if we run the single wing or throw every down like Leach.

As for your second paragraph, we all need to do all we can at every level of support to get out of this 3 year rut. Hail State!

[Todd4State]

This thread shows a longstanding problem with MSU - our fans do not believe in the passing game. They think a running QB, and hosses up front and 3 yards and a cloud of dust - and that's MSU. QB play and recruiting (and the trickle effect on WR recruiting) doesn't matter and "that's not MSU football." So spending on a QB2 is bad.

Well folks, that philosophy doesn't work today - and outside of about 8 weeks in 2014 has gotten us bupkis in football. Leach, and now Lebby is still trying to bring modern football to Starkville. Don't be shocked when we sign another portal QB this year. Because you have to have a quality QB2 in today's game.

And yes, we need to spend money. And need better OL and DL. And yes our fans are being asked to pay for it. And yes it sucks. And our fans will kick and scream and resist and yell "fire the coach, and just pay the Scooba Tech guy $500k and we can win "unconventionally" by spending less while Vandy runs circles around us.

Exactly.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I disagree with your analysis of the basic MSU fans. I saw my first MSU game as an 8-year-old in 1963 (10-10 Egg Bowl) and have seen many different Offenses, some good. many bad. I never heard anyone complaining when Pharr was lighting up the passing game to Smith and Milner, or running the Wishbone or the Veer or many other offenses excpet when we were losing.

Win in the SEC, not 0-8 or 1-7 and I don't care if we run the single wing or throw every down like Leach.

As for your second paragraph, we all need to do all we can at every level of support to get out of this 3 year rut. Hail State!

Yea I agree I think State fans overall would be fine with just winning no matter which way. Some people have this mentality that because Leachs offense wasn?t a fan favorite that State fans are against passing, but that is not true. The fans that felt that way would?ve got more on board and started too right before his death.

[Thick]

So what happens if/when KT gets hurt? Who?s our plan B? Seriously who?s our QB2?

[Pancho]

wait and have some experts tell us

[HoopsDawg]

So what happens if/when KT gets hurt? Who?s our plan B? Seriously who?s our QB2?

If KT gets hurt we are screwed anyway. We cant afford a Plan B. There will be a freshman and should be able to find a cheap backup.

[The Federalist Engineer]

So what happens if/when KT gets hurt? Who?s our plan B? Seriously who?s our QB2?

This is where we are talking past each other. You must have a Plan-B. It's just a question of how expensive/appealing (on paper) that Plan-B can be.

You can't spend 1M on the backup QB but you must spend enough to keep a good recruit developing or an outside guy to take the backup job. the average D1 backup QB makes 200/250K.

I think Texas paid Matthew Caldwell more than 1M to be their backup. LSU spent 1.5M to make MVB a backup. That's the competition.

[Thick]

I say find a dual threat DII. KT needs to learn how to slide.

[HancockCountyDog]

If KT gets hurt we are screwed anyway. We cant afford a Plan B. There will be a freshman and should be able to find a cheap backup.

Completely agree. You either get lucky with a HS signee or a juco/DII kid.

I mean if KT gets hurt, and it is substantial you are screwed regardless.

I would rather take a shot at a 9 win season and go big on KT and other positions.

[Todd4State]

Completely agree. You either get lucky with a HS signee or a juco/DII kid.

I mean if KT gets hurt, and it is substantial you are screwed regardless.

I would rather take a shot at a 9 win season and go big on KT and other positions.

But again- it doesn't have to be and shouldn't be either or. We need players that can have an impact and we need depth.

MSU is bad about looking to cut corners doesn't try hard enough to find solutions. The one sport we don't cut corners in is baseball. And compare the success there to other sports.

[Todd4State]

I say find a dual threat DII. KT needs to learn how to slide.

I think what happened at Ole Miss with Chambliss is an outlier most likely.

[Todd4State]

Do you see NFL teams saying we don't need a back up QB because we're screwed if our starter goes down? No.

And the ones that do get burned.

The 49ers didn't do that when they had Montana. They got Steve Young. The Patriots didn't do that with Brady. They got Matt Cassel and Garapolo.

Why even run the risk of screwing our season when we don't have to?

[BrunswickDawg]

I think what happened at Ole Miss with Chambliss is an outlier most likely.

I'm not so sure about that. I watched a good bit of DII when my son was a Valdosta State - who Chambliss beat for his Natty last year.
You could probably take a QB from one of the 5-6 top DII schools and have a viable #2, and maybe even hit like Chambliss has.
Valdosta, Ferris St., West Florida, Colorado School of Mines, etc.

West Texas A&M had a QB throw for 4100 yards this season. Most of these schools run some sort of Air Raid or Power Spread and would be able to adapt.
The Key I think is finding 6th year guys with eligibility - you are not going to find underclassmen who make that jump.

[Todd4State]

And while I'm on a rant...

This is why MSU loses at football. We made bad decisions that burn us every single time.

It's always slash the ticket prices, change the helmet logo and make the atmosphere better. And MSU and Selmon have done all of those things.

Everything except spend money and build the best football team we can. But no- let's blame the lack of players on the d-line on the third string QB. It's just dumb. It's not even logical if you say it out loud.

Ole Miss on the other hand- they give money. They hired a qualified coach in Kiffin. They didn't cut corners. They didn't say don't spend money on that Chambliss guy because if Simmons goes down we're screwed anyway.

And our fans don't see the difference. They just keep looking for ways to cut corners and not spend money.

[Todd4State]

I'm not so sure about that. I watched a good bit of DII when my son was a Valdosta State - who Chambliss beat for his Natty last year.
You could probably take a QB from one of the 5-6 top DII schools and have a viable #2, and maybe even hit like Chambliss has.
Valdosta, Ferris St., West Florida, Colorado School of Mines, etc.

West Texas A&M had a QB throw for 4100 yards this season. Most of these schools run some sort of Air Raid or Power Spread and would be able to adapt.
The Key I think is finding 6th year guys with eligibility - you are not going to find underclassmen who make that jump.

You're probably right I don't watch very much D2 football. At the end of the day it comes down to evaluation regardless of the level.

[HancockCountyDog]

Do you see NFL teams saying we don't need a back up QB because we're screwed if our starter goes down? No.

And the ones that do get burned.

The 49ers didn't do that when they had Montana. They got Steve Young. The Patriots didn't do that with Brady. They got Matt Cassel and Garapolo.

Why even run the risk of screwing our season when we don't have to?

The problem is we don't have the same amount of money as everyone does in the NFL.

If we have a pot of 20 million that needs to get spread around in some form or fashion to 85 players, guess what, you need to make a decision on where it goes.

I don't want to spend a bunch on a backup that can't actually be a difference maker. There is no point.

At some point you have to push your chips in the middle and roll with paying 25-30 kids and shoot your shot, especially when you have a playmaker at QB.

The goal is to have a special season, move the needle. The program needs this.

You can't play it safe and think, well we need a decent backup so lets go spend on a Van Buren type of backup as opposed to taking that money and landing an impact WR or DE. A quality backup QB will cost more than an elite player at another position. QB prices are out of control right now.

I don't want to back at the end of the year and see a player making a bunch of money that played mop up duty on a 7-5 or 6-6 team. I would rather shoot for a 9-3 type season and risk that if KT gets hurt we probably will be a 3-4 win team. I mean, that is where we have been the last 3 years and there is no guarantee that a backup QB makes a difference in SEC play. I doubt it would.

[Pancho]

And while I'm on a rant...

This is why MSU loses at football. We made bad decisions that burn us every single time.

It's always slash the ticket prices, change the helmet logo and make the atmosphere better. And MSU and Selmon have done all of those things.

Everything except spend money and build the best football team we can. But no- let's blame the lack of players on the d-line on the third string QB. It's just dumb. It's not even logical if you say it out loud.

Ole Miss on the other hand- they give money. They hired a qualified coach in Kiffin. They didn't cut corners. They didn't say don't spend money on that Chambliss guy because if Simmons goes down we're screwed anyway.

And our fans don't see the difference. They just keep looking for ways to cut corners and not spend money.

And with the full control he had, Lame overstocked on WR's and TE's who never saw the field when he could have gotten a few OL or some more defensive guys...........sounds familiar

[Todd4State]

The problem is we don't have the same amount of money as everyone does in the NFL.

If we have a pot of 20 million that needs to get spread around in some form or fashion to 85 players, guess what, you need to make a decision on where it goes.

I don't want to spend a bunch on a backup that can't actually be a difference maker. There is no point.

At some point you have to push your chips in the middle and roll with paying 25-30 kids and shoot your shot, especially when you have a playmaker at QB.

The goal is to have a special season, move the needle. The program needs this.

You can't play it safe and think, well we need a decent backup so lets go spend on a Van Buren type of backup as opposed to taking that money and landing an impact WR or DE. A quality backup QB will cost more than an elite player at another position. QB prices are out of control right now.

I don't want to back at the end of the year and see a player making a bunch of money that played mop up duty on a 7-5 or 6-6 team. I would rather shoot for a 9-3 type season and risk that if KT gets hurt we probably will be a 3-4 win team. I mean, that is where we have been the last 3 years and there is no guarantee that a backup QB makes a difference in SEC play. I doubt it would.

Then we need to find a way to raise more money. And I think we can because we have made some amazing strides in that just in this one season alone not to mention since Charlie took over the BI in 2022 I think it was.

[Todd4State]

And with the full control he had, Lame overstocked on WR's and TE's who never saw the field when he could have gotten a few OL or some more defensive guys...........sounds familiar

It's hard to argue with their success though. Their defense and offensive line have been fine recently.

[DEDawg]

If there was a year to do this, it is def now. Chambliss is going to have every D2 starter thinking they can come in and beat out a mid level starter y1 and parlay into a 7 figure deal y2. That was an outlier but we can take advantage of it

[HancockCountyDog]

And with the full control he had, Lame overstocked on WR's and TE's who never saw the field when he could have gotten a few OL or some more defensive guys...........sounds familiar

I think making fun about what they did over there looks pretty stupid. Whatever he did, we need to try and do the exact same thing.

[Pancho]

i just repeated what the shartt fans told me. they think they will be even better under lil petey