BB Game

[parabrave]

And the starting 5 or WTF is he thinking.
Jones, Epps, Hubbard, Achor and Ballard. Well at least he is going with 3 guards.

[CaptainObvious]

I don?t care if they make the Tourney. That guy needs to seek Therapy for continuing to start 5!

[msstate7]

I don?t care if they make the Tourney. That guy needs to seek Therapy for continuing to start 5!

lol, it's bizarre. Unless he's trying to make some point about max effort will play.

[KOdawg1]

Playing small is the way to go.

Hubb
Epps
McGhee
Walker/Macura/JDF
Ballard/Walker

is the most effective lineup imo.

[msstate7]

Walker misses too much point blank

[msstate7]

Walker shoots way too much

[msstate7]

We have 4 TOs, and jones has 3 of them

[KOdawg1]

We have 4 TOs, and jones has 3 of them

He's regressed to an unplayable level.

[tcdog70]

Where is Mc Ghee

[R2Dawg]

Where is Mc Ghee

Wondered same thing.

[R2Dawg]

LIU is a good team. They will be in tourney. If we can hang on a good win tonight.

[PGHBulldogBG]

LIU will probably win their conference and be a 14ish type seed. That being said, we still have major issues.

[EdwardDrayton]

We need to prepare ourselves. SEC play is going to be a struggle.

[msstate7]

Braves start ST in 60 something days. I don't think state MBK will help pass the time... perhaps the grizzlies can help

[CaptainObvious]

Good win. Macura should not be anywhere near the floor when the opponent has to foul to save clock. He couldn?t throw it in the ocean from the beach! Those 4 free throws were not even close other than actually hitting the rim at some point.

[BeardoMSU]

When 12 is 30+ and we have to hang on for the win....oh boy, we going to suck hard this year.

[Tater]

Braves start ST in 60 something days. I don't think state MBK will help pass the time... perhaps the grizzlies can help

I started fallout 4 lol.

[parabrave]

When 12 is 30+ and we have to hang on for the win....oh boy, we going to suck hard this year.

Remember when Kobe scored like 60 and they still lost. It be a team sport/

[Brobi-wan]

I started fallout 4 lol.

May I suggest Kingdom Come Deliverance?

[Tater]

May I suggest Kingdom Come Deliverance?

Don't think it's free on ps plus lmao. Plus fallout season 2 dropped and I figure I should have finally gotten around to playing these.

[Goldendawg]

Where is Mc Ghee


Jans said post-game that he was sick at Utah (career high 29 points) and still recovering. Also had an injury to an ankle and didn't look good 1st half. Strangely, he also said he was going to put him back in the 2nd half, but didn't know he had his shoe off and couldn't return, odd communication of staff and player to Jans?

[basedog]

It was a good win last night. It's not like LB is a Swac team. No doubt we have some issues but screaming are yelling at players isn't one. Bobby Knight says hold my beer. I much rather have a Coach who has no problem getting on his players, Nick Saban told Knight to pass him a beet also*

[AROB44]

Amazing the bitching about a win. But.....That's ED.

[Pancho]

Amazing the bitching about a win. But.....That's ED.

it never gets old with some. Jans is working his ass off and we have bitching and moaning from so called experts. oh well

[msstate7]

Amazing the bitching about a win. But.....That's ED.

No one is unhappy we won, but that performance doesn't bode well for the rest of the season. We opened a 16.5 favorite. I was hoping we would really build on the nice comeback Saturday, but I just don't think this team has another gear.

[msstate7]

it never gets old with some. Jans is working his ass off and we have bitching and moaning from so called experts. oh well

I mean, I'm Jans biggest fan here, but this is a travesty. We are 134th in NET, which is dead last in the sec; SC is 15th at 108. Criticism is more than fair. Now calls to fire Jans are premature, but he should for the first time start feeling a little heat

[basedog]

No one is unhappy we won, but that performance doesn't bode well for the rest of the season. We opened a 16.5 favorite. I was hoping we would really build on the nice comeback Saturday, but I just don't think this team has another gear.

Who care what the line was or is. U moan more than anyone on ED. Only sport we are consist in winning is baseball. Jans has done ok, we shall see how this plays out this year.

[basedog]

As far as defense, the 3 point play is really tough for any team to defend especially when a team has outside shooters. Look we have two really good outside shooters, Hubbard and Epps, if both are hot we have a chance.

[Tater]

We havent shown improvement in finish any year under Jans. Our best player he got - we only got cause OM fired their coach.

His style of hustle defense being the most important thing is 20 years behind modern basketball.

Our "success in making the tournament" coincides with the rise in paying players having heightened the floor for all SEC teams. Correlation is not causation here - Jans is not the driver of our success, he's passenger and Ben Frank is the driver.

This year, he's yanked the steering wheel from Ben and crashed us into a ravine.

134th in NET with a top 50 payroll is unacceptable. Losing to San Francisco is unacceptable. Developing Shawn Jones absolutely 0 in four years is unacceptable. Playing Shawn Jones 30+ minutes is unacceptable.

Evaluating against our history - I get why people believe this is blasphemy. But evaluate against reality. Dude doesn't develop players and sucks at roster management. Why the **** are we playing close games with Long Island, San Francisco, New Mexico, New Orleans and Southeastern. Even managing to lose to some of them.

The $ gap between us and those programs is massive. If we give coaches a pass because Kentucky way outspends us on basketball then we gotta ream them for finding ways to lose a bigger gulf in dollars.

We could get the UNO head coach for an eighth of Jan's salary and put the other $3.5 million towards a roster salary. That dude makes like $200k a year right now. With NIL - the coaching salary bubble needs to burst. Jans ain't producing enough WAR to justify $4.2 million a year.

[Pancho]

Call Selmon then..........bet he has no idea?

[msstate7]

As far as defense, the 3 point play is really tough for any team to defend especially when a team has outside shooters. Look we have two really good outside shooters, Hubbard and Epps, if both are hot we have a chance.
Epps had 20 and Hubbard has 34, and we won by 4. We were the 3rd P4 team they've faced. They lost by
22 to ND, 40 to Illinois, and 4 to us. I'm sorry, but this win is nothing to celebrate.

[basedog]

We havent shown improvement in finish any year under Jans. Our best player he got - we only got cause OM fired their coach.

His style of hustle defense being the most important thing is 20 years behind modern basketball.

Our "success in making the tournament" coincides with the rise in paying players having heightened the floor for all SEC teams. Correlation is not causation here - Jans is not the driver of our success, he's passenger and Ben Frank is the driver.

This year, he's yanked the steering wheel from Ben and crashed us into a ravine.

134th in NET with a top 50 payroll is unacceptable. Losing to San Francisco is unacceptable. Developing Shawn Jones absolutely 0 in four years is unacceptable. Playing Shawn Jones 30+ minutes is unacceptable.

Evaluating against our history - I get why people believe this is blasphemy. But evaluate against reality. Dude doesn't develop players and sucks at roster management. Why the **** are we playing close games with Long Island, San Francisco, New Mexico, New Orleans and Southeastern. Even managing to lose to some of them.

The $ gap between us and those programs is massive. If we give coaches a pass because Kentucky way outspends us on basketball then we gotta ream them for finding ways to lose a bigger gulf in dollars.

We could get the UNO head coach for an eighth of Jan's salary and put the other $3.5 million towards a roster salary. That dude makes like $200k a year right now. With NIL - the coaching salary bubble needs to burst. Jans ain't producing enough WAR to justify $4.2 million a year.

Obviously you don't know much about Msu basketball history. We have been to 13 Ncaa tournaments total. Guess how many successful coaches we have had over our history? Jans is old school, with the NIL its a struggle for football and. Asketball for Msu. Coaches are gonna be hard to get.

[basedog]

Epps had 20 and Hubbard has 34, and we won by 4. We were the 3rd P4 team they've faced. They lost by
22 to ND, 40 to Illinois, and 4 to us. I'm sorry, but this win is nothing to celebrate.

Winning is all that matters.

[Thick]

We havent shown improvement in finish any year under Jans. Our best player he got - we only got cause OM fired their coach.

His style of hustle defense being the most important thing is 20 years behind modern basketball.

Our "success in making the tournament" coincides with the rise in paying players having heightened the floor for all SEC teams. Correlation is not causation here - Jans is not the driver of our success, he's passenger and Ben Frank is the driver.

This year, he's yanked the steering wheel from Ben and crashed us into a ravine.

134th in NET with a top 50 payroll is unacceptable. Losing to San Francisco is unacceptable. Developing Shawn Jones absolutely 0 in four years is unacceptable. Playing Shawn Jones 30+ minutes is unacceptable.

Evaluating against our history - I get why people believe this is blasphemy. But evaluate against reality. Dude doesn't develop players and sucks at roster management. Why the **** are we playing close games with Long Island, San Francisco, New Mexico, New Orleans and Southeastern. Even managing to lose to some of them.

The $ gap between us and those programs is massive. If we give coaches a pass because Kentucky way outspends us on basketball then we gotta ream them for finding ways to lose a bigger gulf in dollars.

We could get the UNO head coach for an eighth of Jan's salary and put the other $3.5 million towards a roster salary. That dude makes like $200k a year right now. With NIL - the coaching salary bubble needs to burst. Jans ain't producing enough WAR to justify $4.2 million a year.

Top shelf post?..spot on!!

[Thick]

Winning is all that matters.

Not going to be much of that when conference play begins!

[R2Dawg]

We havent shown improvement in finish any year under Jans. Our best player he got - we only got cause OM fired their coach.

His style of hustle defense being the most important thing is 20 years behind modern basketball.

Our "success in making the tournament" coincides with the rise in paying players having heightened the floor for all SEC teams. Correlation is not causation here - Jans is not the driver of our success, he's passenger and Ben Frank is the driver.

This year, he's yanked the steering wheel from Ben and crashed us into a ravine.

134th in NET with a top 50 payroll is unacceptable. Losing to San Francisco is unacceptable. Developing Shawn Jones absolutely 0 in four years is unacceptable. Playing Shawn Jones 30+ minutes is unacceptable.

Evaluating against our history - I get why people believe this is blasphemy. But evaluate against reality. Dude doesn't develop players and sucks at roster management. Why the **** are we playing close games with Long Island, San Francisco, New Mexico, New Orleans and Southeastern. Even managing to lose to some of them.

The $ gap between us and those programs is massive. If we give coaches a pass because Kentucky way outspends us on basketball then we gotta ream them for finding ways to lose a bigger gulf in dollars.

We could get the UNO head coach for an eighth of Jan's salary and put the other $3.5 million towards a roster salary. That dude makes like $200k a year right now. With NIL - the coaching salary bubble needs to burst. Jans ain't producing enough WAR to justify $4.2 million a year.

Yep I say it all the time when the only solution to winning is just need more money. Money by itself won't buy a win, it won't even guarantee good players. But if you do buy that then you got to coach them. If you don't lower skilled, talented teams will beat you. Happens all the time.

[smootness]

He's regressed to an unplayable level.

This is who he has always been, I will never understand the fascination Jans has with him. He has only ever been useful for a few minutes at a time to play defense and go get a couple rebounds.

Genuinely, I knew this would be a long year when I saw he was in the starting lineup for the exhibition game. He has no business being on the floor for any serious P4 team.

[HoopsDawg]

Winning is all that matters.

Jans crapped the bed in the portal. It is ok to admit it. He has earned another year to fix it.

[Thick]

I?m just puzzled about his love for Jones. It?s mind boggling!

[msstate7]

I?m just puzzled about his love for Jones. It?s mind boggling!

We've been in the tourney 14 times in our history, and 3 of those are under Jans (.214). It's not hard to see that Jans has done a great job here.

[basedog]

We've been in the tourney 14 times in our history, and 3 of those are under Jans (.214). It's not hard to see that Jans has done a great job here.

Damn you must have taken your medication** LOL

Btw since I have been a Msu fan, I can only recall 4 or 5 decent to good coaches. I remember listening to radio with Jack when Babe was coaching who is our GOAT.

[Tater]

Obviously you don't know much about Msu basketball history. We have been to 13 Ncaa tournaments total. Guess how many successful coaches we have had over our history? Jans is old school, with the NIL its a struggle for football and. Asketball for Msu. Coaches are gonna be hard to get.

"Our "success in making the tournament" coincides with the rise in paying players having heightened the floor for all SEC teams. Correlation is not causation here - Jans is not the driver of our success, he's passenger and Ben Frank is the driver."

We are historically where we have been and lower in the SEC meanwhile the entire SEC floor was raised. Anyone comparing us to past MSU without acknowledging this change in balance of power consolidation to power 2/4 conferences is not interpreting the data correctly.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I have always been a Jans supporter and I still am, but being ranked last in the SEC and #134 NET is definitely concerning. Making the tournament this year would take a Texas A&M 2023 miracle SEC run, but he needs to hit the portal hard and correct this for next year. Dennis Gates had a year like this at Mizzou but he fixed it and just like Gates I think Jans is a good coach and just made some poor evaluations this year.

[msstate7]

I have always been a Jans supporter and I still am, but being ranked last in the SEC and #134 NET is definitely concerning. Making the tournament this year would take a Texas A&M 2023 miracle SEC run, but he needs to hit the portal hard and correct this for next year. Dennis Gates had a year like this at Mizzou but he fixed it and just like Gates I think Jans is a good coach and just made some poor evaluations this year.

We aren't making a run. This season is kaput. Jans will get a chance to fix it next season, and that's exactly how it should be.

[PGHBulldogBG]

We aren't making a run. This season is kaput. Jans will get a chance to fix it next season, and that's exactly how it should be.

I don't think we will either, but in 2023 aTm had a similar non conference situation that we are in this year. They lost to Wofford, Boise State, Murray State, Colorado and Memphis and then went 15-3 in the SEC and placed 2nd. Not saying I THINK that will happen, but it is kind of a similar situation comparing the resumes and having a few guards on the team that can step up their play.

[Tater]

Jans does get a chance to fix it. But there's no confidence in him succeeding.

I think if we fire him then we should look to hire a rising star coach from another school and poach a lot of their team instead. And I do mean a coach making less than $500k and just giving him a modest raise. $4.2 million to coach this pile of dogshit is ridiculous. Don't spend on the coach just to spend.

[trob115]

I'm a big Jans supporter, but we are at best a 5 win team in league play. Jans missed horribly in the portal. He deserves a year to fix this, but he's got to win next season or he'll be gone.

[NCMSTFAN]

We havent shown improvement in finish any year under Jans. Our best player he got - we only got cause OM fired their coach.

His style of hustle defense being the most important thing is 20 years behind modern basketball.

Our "success in making the tournament" coincides with the rise in paying players having heightened the floor for all SEC teams. Correlation is not causation here - Jans is not the driver of our success, he's passenger and Ben Frank is the driver.

This year, he's yanked the steering wheel from Ben and crashed us into a ravine.

134th in NET with a top 50 payroll is unacceptable. Losing to San Francisco is unacceptable. Developing Shawn Jones absolutely 0 in four years is unacceptable. Playing Shawn Jones 30+ minutes is unacceptable.

Evaluating against our history - I get why people believe this is blasphemy. But evaluate against reality. Dude doesn't develop players and sucks at roster management. Why the **** are we playing close games with Long Island, San Francisco, New Mexico, New Orleans and Southeastern. Even managing to lose to some of them.

The $ gap between us and those programs is massive. If we give coaches a pass because Kentucky way outspends us on basketball then we gotta ream them for finding ways to lose a bigger gulf in dollars.

We could get the UNO head coach for an eighth of Jan's salary and put the other $3.5 million towards a roster salary. That dude makes like $200k a year right now. With NIL - the coaching salary bubble needs to burst. Jans ain't producing enough WAR to justify $4.2 million a year.

Great post, everything you said is 100% accurate.

[Thick]

We've been in the tourney 14 times in our history, and 3 of those are under Jans (.214). It's not hard to see that Jans has done a great job here.

What does that have to do with Jones playing way too many minutes per game? If he has to play him, well that?s 100% on Jan?s! No one can explain that into a positive.

[msstate7]

What does that have to do with Jones playing way too many minutes per game? If he has to play him, well that?s 100% on Jan?s! No one can explain that into a positive.

It has absolutely nothing to do with it. I read "what is the love of Jans", which you didn't post. I will read better in the future, apologies

[Thick]

No problem. It?s all good

[R2Dawg]

I don't think we will either, but in 2023 aTm had a similar non conference situation that we are in this year. They lost to Wofford, Boise State, Murray State, Colorado and Memphis and then went 15-3 in the SEC and placed 2nd. Not saying I THINK that will happen, but it is kind of a similar situation comparing the resumes and having a few guards on the team that can step up their play.

Yeah, I agree. I don't think we have a great year in SEC but we might win a few more than we think if things start to gel. You never know. Just Hubbard, Epps and McGee are potential 75pts on any given night. That gives you a shot in some games.

[R2Dawg]

Jans does get a chance to fix it. But there's no confidence in him succeeding.

I think if we fire him then we should look to hire a rising star coach from another school and poach a lot of their team instead. And I do mean a coach making less than $500k and just giving him a modest raise. $4.2 million to coach this pile of dogshit is ridiculous. Don't spend on the coach just to spend.

Is Jans making 4.2? Wow, way too much. Our ROI on basketball this year is real bad for sure.

[msugolf]

Is Jans making 4.2? Wow, way too much. Our ROI on basketball this year is real bad for sure.

4.4 million. 20th highest paid coach in college bball

[SPMT]

"Our "success in making the tournament" coincides with the rise in paying players having heightened the floor for all SEC teams. Correlation is not causation here - Jans is not the driver of our success, he's passenger and Ben Frank is the driver."

We are historically where we have been and lower in the SEC meanwhile the entire SEC floor was raised. Anyone comparing us to past MSU without acknowledging this change in balance of power consolidation to power 2/4 conferences is not interpreting the data correctly.

The players apparently hate Jans. He seems to be a brash, yelling dick type coach. I?m told that?s the main reason we lost players last year.

People aren?t gravitating to a coach like that, especially not staying.

He deserves some grace, however.

[PGHBulldogBG]

The players apparently hate Jans. He seems to be a brash, yelling dick type coach. I?m told that?s the main reason we lost players last year.

People aren?t gravitating to a coach like that, especially not staying.

He deserves some grace, however.

Coaching is difficult because you need to be able to do it without leaning too far one way or another. If you go to far the other way, you have a Moorhead situation. That is why it can be difficult to find coaches who the players respect but at the same time are not going overboard with the yelling and screaming.

[deltadawg63]

A different era for sure but Richard Williams was the "harsh and demanding" coach and Stansbury was the "re-assurer and comforter". When Stans became the HC, Robert Kirby became the firm and tough coach as an assistant while Stans maintained that comforting coach I was told and when Kirby left for Georgetown was when the team discipline appeared to be lost. My point, I definitely believe it takes both roles to manage a team, especially a unit as small as a basketball team. So who plays the comforter and reassuring role now?

[PGHBulldogBG]

A different era for sure but Richard Williams was the "harsh and demanding" coach and Stansbury was the "re-assurer and comforter". When Stans became the HC, Robert Kirby became the firm and tough coach as an assistant while Stans maintained that comforting coach I was told and when Kirby left for Georgetown was when the team discipline appeared to be lost. My point, I definitely believe it takes both roles to manage a team, especially a unit as small as a basketball team. So who plays the comforter and reassuring role now?

This would line up with the timeline of our basketball team becoming less disciplined. Stans definitely was more passive and it is evident by the way the team played pre 2010 to post 2010. I think this held Stans back from being a better overall coach. He was a great recruiter though given the history of our basketball program pre Richard Williams.

[Pancho]

they got memphis tomorrow