The one major thing that sticks in my crawl about Lebby is that he refuses to

[99jc]

Acknowledge he should have played KT a lot more this season and it probably cost us 2-3 wins. and i don't want to hear any Bullshit about how he wasn't ready. The only way to get ready is to play. Sitting your ASS ON THE BENCH never gets you ready. Sharpen was a sack magnet all season. I just hope he learned his lesson and quits being hard-headed and plays the best players. The loyalty angle is for a loser's mentality. Can you ever imagine Nick Saban ever resorting to loyalty over common sense. Come on Lebby grow a nut sack and be a real head coach.

[shoeless joe]

KT wasn't ready before the arkansas game. now, could he have been better utilized? possibly, but i continue to go back to him not even being able to read the end on his series at florida. would throwing him to the wolves against georgia and missouri have been a good idea? what game do we win that we lost if KT is starting?

my biggest complaint about the usage of our qb's was how we did not seem to utilize the strengths of each to better the other parts of the offense. there are several legit issues with Lebby's decision making...but who started each game at QB isn't a sticking point based on what i saw.

[KB21]

My problem with this line of thinking is this. This isn't John Madden football. You can't just create a player, put him in, and win.

There is zero evidence that Kamario Taylor would have improved Mississippi State's results on the field. Yes, he would have brought the mobility element to the QB position that we were missing, but you are fooling yourself if you think he could command the passing offense as well as Blake could.

[Pinto]

Lebby never admits to mistakes. Just part of who he is as a coach.

Name one play he says was a bad call or one game decision he says was a bad one. It is always the play was there we just didn?t execute it properly or some other excuse.

This is my biggest dislike of him as a coach. Just say you 17ed up every once in a while. All coaches 17 up every once in a while.

[Tbonewannabe]

Shapen was pretty good in the passing game when he had time. I get that KT alleviates some of the Oline pressure but you don't know if the game finally slowed down for him later in the season. Something we will probably never know.

[Tbonewannabe]

That is very Moorhead like. I dislike it very much. He seems like he has the program going in the right direction. I like the coaching hires so far also. I hope the offensive coach he just hired helps with some of these questionable decisions like not burning clock against Texas.

[Coursesuper]

My problem with this line of thinking is this. This isn't John Madden football. You can't just create a player, put him in, and win.

There is zero evidence that Kamario Taylor would have improved Mississippi State's results on the field. Yes, he would have brought the mobility element to the QB position that we were missing, but you are fooling yourself if you think he could command the passing offense as well as Blake could.

Bingo, to many believe along these lines.

[Maroon Glasses]

My problem with this line of thinking is this. This isn't John Madden football. You can't just create a player, put him in, and win.

There is zero evidence that Kamario Taylor would have improved Mississippi State's results on the field. Yes, he would have brought the mobility element to the QB position that we were missing, but you are fooling yourself if you think he could command the passing offense as well as Blake could.

Agreed with you here. I think Lebby was a game or 2 late on letting KT start taking control of the offense, that's just my opinion. Shapen could run the offense. What killed us was how horrible the O Line was and Shapens lack of mobility.. that's not a good recipe for very much success.

I was definitely one of the guys calling for KT to start after the Florida game. It was never because I didn't think Shapen was a good qb. With time to throw he is a good one and a great competitor. But with our O line troubles I felt like KT could give us a better chance. Would it have been the right decision? We will never know. I just hope KT continues to develop his passing skills and coverage awareness.

[Lord McBuckethead]

No one will ever know. Blake was a good quarterback that led us to some really close games this season. No need to keep rehashing this. We are not in the film rooms. We are not on the practice field. No need to run down Blake because our OL couldn't cut it. Sure he takes the brunt of the criticism, so is life being the #1 QB. Now I do blame coaching on not calling a specific running play to end the Florida game, or having the offense snap the ball with 22 seconds left on the clock up 17 against Texas in the middle of the 4th quarter. That is what we should be bitching about, not Shapen or his abilities.

[HancockCountyDog]

I feel like a point that gets overlooked is that our OL was dog shit in the run game. I'm not sure putting a run first QB would have helped. Maybe it would have, but I'm not sure.

I thought Brennan Thompson was our best offensive player all year, and I just think that KT at QB would have made it harder to get him the ball. I could be wrong, but its close.

People act like KT lit the bears up. We scored 19 points. We punted 4 times and turned it over once. I don't think the bears had a better defense than Mizzou, UGA, UT or Florida.

We scored 27, 21, 38 and 21 points against those teams with Shapen.

Look - i'm all in on KT and I think Lebby's offense should be better with a running threat at QB. The problem for this year is that we werent really built to have a running QB be our primary threat, we recruited small fast WR's and our offense was made to have dudes go deep.

[Pancho]

quote of the year.

[Coach34]

Why would he admit to something that is just pure speculation? This is not Playstation. November KT was a different animal than September KT. And November KT completed less than 50% of his passes in his start as well as had the 2nd worst scoring game this season. Based on the facts- we probably win less had we started KT earlier.

[Pancho]

word

[Dawgface]

He’s not going to come out and say that as I doubt any coach would.

[TrapGame]

Lebby brought Kamario along at his own pace. He did not rush him. Lebby owes no one an explanation.

[99jc]

Lebby brought Kamario along at his own pace. He did not rush him. Lebby owes no one an explanation.

WRONG!!!! We pay his salary and many of us donate a lot of money to the football program! He damn sure owes an explanation! and he should have played KT a lot earlier that can't be disputed I just want the fat ass to admit it!

[StarkVegasSteve]

WRONG!!!! We pay his salary and many of us donate a lot of money to the football program! He damn sure owes an explanation! and he should have played KT a lot earlier that can't be disputed I just want the fat ass to admit it!

I imagine if you gave Lebby truth serum he'd say, "We really didn't want to play the kid early. He couldn't hit the broad side of the barn, and honestly still isn't incredibly accurate. He didn't know the playbook until about midway through the season and couldn't even execute a simple read through the Missouri game. That's not including the messed up cadence that caused a false start at A&M. We honestly were afraid he was going to shit his pants out there."

I mean everyone raves about the Egg Bowl performance, and he looked good in spurts. But it wasn't just some incredible performance. He was 15/31 for 178 yds with an INT. He was really good on the ground, but this isn't 4A football anymore. He has to be a throwing threat. He's not there yet. And he's probably not going to be quite there next year. And that's ok. He's uber talented and an athletic freak but he's far from a finished product. He's honestly miles better today than he was in August.

[TrapGame]

WRONG!!!! We pay his salary and many of us donate a lot of money to the football program! He damn sure owes an explanation! and he should have played KT a lot earlier that can't be disputed I just want the fat ass to admit it!

He doesn?t owe you shit.

Suck it up. He?s the coach.

[ScooterDog]

I think what 99jc is saying is that lebby should have played him a Little More all along just to give him a little more playing time experience. That I agree with.

[Brobi-wan]

WRONG!!!! We pay his salary and many of us donate a lot of money to the football program! He damn sure owes an explanation! and he should have played KT a lot earlier that can't be disputed I just want the fat ass to admit it!

I didn’t know Lebby was my congressman lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think what 99jc is saying is that lebby should have played him a Little More all along just to give him a little more playing time experience. That I agree with.

That I don't disagree with. I think there were ways to get him more involved earlier in the season that we didn't take advantage of.

[TrapGame]

I think what 99jc is saying is that lebby should have played him a Little More all along just to give him a little more playing time experience. That I agree with.

No, 99 clearly stated a lot more which included losing more games because we just ride with the true freshman experiment. September KT was not November KT. January KT is going to even better which will lead more people to think we had Patrick Mahommes on the bench and Lebby is just a dumb ass. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Should KT have taken more snaps? Yes, but not to the detriment of the team. Hell if we had a better defense that got more stops then you could roll with KT in different situations.

[Hot Rock]

Definition of CRAW: a pouch in many birds and some lower animals that resembles a stomach for storage and preliminary maceration of food.

getting a stick stuck in your crawl sounds wild but, I never knew a person had such a pouch. I guess they must be part bird or something.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Acknowledge he should have played KT a lot more this season and it probably cost us 2-3 wins. and i don't want to hear any Bullshit about how he wasn't ready. The only way to get ready is to play. Sitting your ASS ON THE BENCH never gets you ready. Sharpen was a sack magnet all season. I just hope he learned his lesson and quits being hard-headed and plays the best players. The loyalty angle is for a loser's mentality. Can you ever imagine Nick Saban ever resorting to loyalty over common sense. Come on Lebby grow a nut sack and be a real head coach.

What does that make KT? If Shapen was a SACK MAGNEt, and KT was sacked at the same rate, what does that say?

[BlackSailsDawg]

Lebby never admits to mistakes. Just part of who he is as a coach.

Name one play he says was a bad call or one game decision he says was a bad one. It is always the play was there we just didn?t execute it properly or some other excuse.

This is my biggest dislike of him as a coach. Just say you 17ed up every once in a while. All coaches 17 up every once in a while.

Then you would have hated having Saban as a HC

[BlackSailsDawg]

WRONG!!!! We pay his salary and many of us donate a lot of money to the football program! He damn sure owes an explanation! and he should have played KT a lot earlier that can't be disputed I just want the fat ass to admit it!

It has been disputed and is disputed. Facts are facts and facts do not care about opinions not emotions. KT was sacked at the same rate as Shapen. KT completed less than 50% in his start after a complete YEAR to be ready. He was injured in his first start too.

Those are the facts.

[Coursesuper]

WRONG!!!! We pay his salary and many of us donate a lot of money to the football program! He damn sure owes an explanation! and he should have played KT a lot earlier that can't be disputed I just want the fat ass to admit it!

What an entitled comment.

[Todd4State]

Lebby shouldn't apologize for putting the best player on the field. KT wasn't ready for most of the year. Not 100% sure you could say he is ready after watching the Egg Bowl.

KT is a great athlete but right now for this year Shapen was the better quarterback.

This isn't high school football where you stick your best athlete at QB and then just let him riff. That works against Winona HS but not against Alabama, Georgia, Texas, etc.

[1eyedog]

I remember one pass for a td early on (probably Arky) that it almost gave the defender a heart attack he was so surprised. Went off his hands for a TD, terrible pass but it scored. KT is young, YUGE Chris Relf upside but let?s not forget he was a work in progress early in the year. I hope nothing but greatness for KT and Lebby. Go DOGS

[Pinto]

Sure about that?

LSU Loss (2022): Stated, "I'm responsible for all this stuff, so if we didn't do it right, that's on me," after his defense allowed a second-half comeback.

National Championship Loss (2019): Blamed himself for calling a failed fake field goal against Clemson, calling it a "bad call".

Feel free to apologize for your bad post.***


Then you would have hated having Saban as a HC

[BlackSailsDawg]

Sure about that?

LSU Loss (2022): Stated, "I'm responsible for all this stuff, so if we didn't do it right, that's on me," after his defense allowed a second-half comeback.

National Championship Loss (2019): Blamed himself for calling a failed fake field goal against Clemson, calling it a "bad call".

Feel free to apologize for your bad post.***

Are you under the impression that Lebby has not made those types of comments?

"That was incredibly conservative, not wanting to give the football back to them. It's not who I am. That's the one I'm going to hang onto and learn from more than anything" TX game

He admitted in post-game reflections that he needed to "coach better". FL

“We got our ass beat and it’s very frustrating. I got to do better. I got to coach better. I got to get done what we need to get done so at the end of the game we’re plus one. And that’s the bottom line.” Tn

If that's what we are talking about, then there it is and you can verify those comments by a simple search.

Saban frequently blames losses on a lack of execution, calling it "shooting ourselves in the foot," vs Mi

He noted "too many turnovers, penalties, mental errors on defense, sacks" as issues that needed fixing, emphasizing consistency vs TX

2019 Loss to Auburn: He lamented the team's lack of discipline and execution, saying they put themselves in a lot of bad situations with too many penalties.
2017 National Championship Loss to Clemson: Saban explicitly blamed the loss on a lack of execution, stating, "We didn't block them... We didn't execute very well".

[Pinto]

Thanks for proving me right, and showing not once by Lebby for a play call.

[maroonmania]

Lebby never admits to mistakes. Just part of who he is as a coach.

Name one play he says was a bad call or one game decision he says was a bad one. It is always the play was there we just didn?t execute it properly or some other excuse.

This is my biggest dislike of him as a coach. Just say you 17ed up every once in a while. All coaches 17 up every once in a while.

Yep, he even thought the play call at the end of the Florida game was great even though we were already in very makeable FG range. He just isn't going to ever second guess anything publicly.

[Homedawg]

WRONG!!!! We pay his salary and many of us donate a lot of money to the football program! He damn sure owes an explanation! and he should have played KT a lot earlier that can't be disputed I just want the fat ass to admit it!

It can be disputed.

[Todd4State]

I remember one pass for a td early on (probably Arky) that it almost gave the defender a heart attack he was so surprised. Went off his hands for a TD, terrible pass but it scored. KT is young, YUGE Chris Relf upside but let?s not forget he was a work in progress early in the year. I hope nothing but greatness for KT and Lebby. Go DOGS

Chris Relf? He's already as good and probably better than Relf was even if he doesn't improve one iota.

KT has a legit chance to play in the NFL and probably will.

[Todd4State]

It can be disputed.

Yeah. This isn't like it's some cut and dried thing.

I think it's an example of our fans overvaluing QB mobility over passing ability is basically what it comes down to. KT finally starts and completes less than half his passes and we have our lowest point output of the year and we have a lot of fans that act like it's crazy that he didn't start the whole year because of two admittedly really awesome runs in the Egg Bowl. He also missed on at least 3-4 TD passes in that same game and no one really talks about it.

Having a QB that can make plays with his legs is awesome but if he can't complete passes it's going to limit your production. You need a QB that can legitimately do both. And this year that simply wasn't KT.

So, I'm not sure what Lebby would be apologizing for? "Yeah, uh sorry I didn't play the guy who scored fewer points in his start than any other SEC game this season. My bad."

[Pancho]

Thanks for proving me right, and showing not once by Lebby for a play call.

get used to it. get to like Lebby because he will still be here in 5 years and do quite well.

[99jc]

I like Lebby I just think he has brain farts in crucial circumstances and doesn't inspire confidence in me yet! He resembles a deer in headlights when the pressure is on and makes bad decisions. And to beat a dead horse everyone with a football IQ should realize he should have played KT a lot more than he did.

[Todd4State]

I like Lebby I just think he has brain farts in crucial circumstances and doesn't inspire confidence in me yet! He resembles a deer in headlights when the pressure is on and makes bad decisions. And to beat a dead horse everyone with a football IQ should realize he should have played KT a lot more than he did.

I don't think he was ready. He was struggling a little bit with reads against Alcorn. He had improved a lot by the time Arkansas rolled around. And it's not like Lebby had a problem playing him when he felt like he was ready. But even against A&M there was confusion when KT was in the game and it caused us to get a penalty and cost us a TD.

[Dawgology]

Shapen wasn’t the reason we lost those three close games… he didn’t help but he didn’t hurt either. He made as many good plays as bad. The issue was play calling and crap defensive adjustment. Those both fall on Lebby. You kick the field goal and also you don’t hire someone who has never coached defense to be your defensive coach in the SEC. The position he is in right now is his own making.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Chris Relf? He's already as good and probably better than Relf was even if he doesn't improve one iota.

KT has a legit chance to play in the NFL and probably will.

Yea he's much better than Chris already. And that's not knocking Chris. He played in the perfect offense for him and it worked. Relf's accuracy makes Kamario look like Tom Brady though. I still laugh at the 09 Egg Bowl TD pass to Bumphis. We all laud the play and Mullen will tell you that Relf actually overthrew his intended target, O'Neal Wilder, and Bumphis just happened to be there.

[BrunswickDawg]

Shapen wasn?t the reason we lost those three close games? he didn?t help but he didn?t hurt either. He made as many good plays as bad. The issue was play calling and crap defensive adjustment. Those both fall on Lebby. You kick the field goal and also you don?t hire someone who has never coached defense to be your defensive coach in the SEC. The position he is in right now is his own making.

I still don't think it was the wrong decision to try and get more yards. Our 2 minute offense had moved us 43 yards in 1:17. We took our last time out to set up an out route to try and get 5-10 more and get out of bounds so we could kick with 10-15 seconds left. Running the ball would risk us having to rush out a FG unit that had already missed from a similar distance. Yes, we could have let the clock run and taken the kick - but again, we'd already missed a 40+ kick earlier. It's a low percentage kick. Ferrie was 100% in kicks between 30-39 yards this year. He was 62% from 40-49 yards. The kid has a good leg - but 5 yards in he is money.

Unfortunately, it didn't work. I'd have made the same call.

[Goldendawg]

I still don't think it was the wrong decision to try and get more yards. Our 2 minute offense had moved us 43 yards in 1:17. We took our last time out to set up an out route to try and get 5-10 more and get out of bounds so we could kick with 10-15 seconds left. Running the ball would risk us having to rush out a FG unit that had already missed from a similar distance. Yes, we could have let the clock run and taken the kick - but again, we'd already missed a 40+ kick earlier. It's a low percentage kick. Ferrie was 100% in kicks between 30-39 yards this year. He was 62% from 40-49 yards. The kid has a good leg - but 5 yards in he is money.

Unfortunately, it didn't work. I'd have made the same call.

Well, I watched the play live and a couple of times afterward. We never had a third receiver step forward this year. The out pattern that you refer to was a slant run by a freshman WR who, at the time, had one catch in the year. Then, our 6'2"(?) sixth-year senior quarterback threw the ball directly to a 6'5" 320 lb NT, whom the quarterback said, after the game, that he didn't see drop back into coverage.

My entire household asked incredulously, Why did we not run the ball to a spot that allowed Ferry, our MSU record holder with a 55-yard field goal, to give it a try for the win. I do not know a single person in my circle of MSU fans in northeast Mississippi who wasn't shocked that we attempted a pass.

Maybe we miss the kick, but at least try for the victory.

[HoopsDawg]

My one complaint with Lebby is no QB sneak in the playbook. Especially with KT. Easy half yard every time.

[KB21]

I still don't think it was the wrong decision to try and get more yards. Our 2 minute offense had moved us 43 yards in 1:17. We took our last time out to set up an out route to try and get 5-10 more and get out of bounds so we could kick with 10-15 seconds left. Running the ball would risk us having to rush out a FG unit that had already missed from a similar distance. Yes, we could have let the clock run and taken the kick - but again, we'd already missed a 40+ kick earlier. It's a low percentage kick. Ferrie was 100% in kicks between 30-39 yards this year. He was 62% from 40-49 yards. The kid has a good leg - but 5 yards in he is money.

Unfortunately, it didn't work. I'd have made the same call.

The analytics backed that up as well. Getting the FGA inside 40 yards increased win probability from 85% to 98%.

[Todd4State]

Yea he's much better than Chris already. And that's not knocking Chris. He played in the perfect offense for him and it worked. Relf's accuracy makes Kamario look like Tom Brady though. I still laugh at the 09 Egg Bowl TD pass to Bumphis. We all laud the play and Mullen will tell you that Relf actually overthrew his intended target, O'Neal Wilder, and Bumphis just happened to be there.

That play happened right in front of the section that I sit in. I could have walked a straight line and I would have run into Bumphis if time stood still. When that play happened I honestly thought Relf just chunked it up in the air and thankfully Bumphis was there. I had no idea he was trying to throw to Wilder! LOL.

[Todd4State]

The analytics backed that up as well. Getting the FGA inside 40 yards increased win probability from 85% to 98%.

It's funny how analytics disagrees with our fans every. single. time.

[Count Istvan Teleky]

Acknowledge he should have played KT a lot more this season and it probably cost us 2-3 wins. and i don't want to hear any Bullshit about how he wasn't ready. The only way to get ready is to play. Sitting your ASS ON THE BENCH never gets you ready. Sharpen was a sack magnet all season. I just hope he learned his lesson and quits being hard-headed and plays the best players. The loyalty angle is for a loser's mentality. Can you ever imagine Nick Saban ever resorting to loyalty over common sense. Come on Lebby grow a nut sack and be a real head coach.

You're welcome, Craw Daddy.

[Pancho]

I dam sure hope we have a much better OL in 26 because KT won't survive the season without being injured. Maybe the hawk stays and is a viable backup

[99jc]

Hadad Gets it....this is exactly what i was talking about with KT vs Shapen. I rest my case!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/843009558311404

[Homedawg]

Hadad Gets it....this is exactly what i was talking about with KT vs Shapen. I rest my case!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/843009558311404

if hadad is the only thing that backs you up or what you are hanging your hat on to say "i'm right", well.............................................. ..

[TrapGame]

if hadad is the only thing that backs you up or what you are hanging your hat on to say "i'm right", well.............................................. ..

Hadad went on a goofball tirade two weeks ago blasting the administration and Lebby for not hiring Will Muschamp. Like Will was just hanging by the phone waiting on our call so he could say yes.

[Coursesuper]

if hadad is the only thing that backs you up or what you are hanging your hat on to say "i'm right", well.............................................. ..

Wow...

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hadad went on a goofball tirade two weeks ago blasting the administration and Lebby for not hiring Will Muschamp. Like Will was just hanging by the phone waiting on our call so he could say yes.

Him and Faulk are fans. You cannot think of them as members of the media. If you think of them as members of the media then you will be left scratching your head at about half of what they say. If you just say that they are fans and, like fans, they have bad takes and are completely irrational sometimes then you kind of just laugh at what they say.

That is not to say they do not have sources or I do not agree with their takes, because some of them are on the money. But just take most of what they say with a grain of salt.

The best quote I've heard about this is, "Homers tend to get emotional and emotional people make bad journalists." That's why I push back so hard on literally all of our media being legit media members. By and large, they are fans. They have some good articles and have some good takes, but they have just as many emotional takes(good and bad) that take away from them being actual media members.

[Todd4State]

Hadad Gets it....this is exactly what i was talking about with KT vs Shapen. I rest my case!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/843009558311404

That should actually make you feel worse about your take.

[Todd4State]

Him and Faulk are fans. You cannot think of them as members of the media. If you think of them as members of the media then you will be left scratching your head at about half of what they say. If you just say that they are fans and, like fans, they have bad takes and are completely irrational sometimes then you kind of just laugh at what they say.

That is not to say they do not have sources or I do not agree with their takes, because some of them are on the money. But just take most of what they say with a grain of salt.

The best quote I've heard about this is, "Homers tend to get emotional and emotional people make bad journalists." That's why I push back so hard on literally all of our media being legit media members. By and large, they are fans. They have some good articles and have some good takes, but they have just as many emotional takes(good and bad) that take away from them being actual media members.

They're a bunch of Brandon Walker wannabes.

The big difference is with Barstool you know they're not media in any way shape or form. They make it pretty clear that they're fans.

[RezDog7]

Acknowledge he should have played KT a lot more this season and it probably cost us 2-3 wins. and i don't want to hear any Bullshit about how he wasn't ready. The only way to get ready is to play. Sitting your ASS ON THE BENCH never gets you ready. Sharpen was a sack magnet all season. I just hope he learned his lesson and quits being hard-headed and plays the best players. The loyalty angle is for a loser's mentality. Can you ever imagine Nick Saban ever resorting to loyalty over common sense. Come on Lebby grow a nut sack and be a real head coach.

Last time I checked, KT does not play defense. I don't care if Michael Vick was our QB; we could not stop the other team.

[Todd4State]

Hadad Gets it....this is exactly what i was talking about with KT vs Shapen. I rest my case!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/843009558311404

Just listened to it. No. You're both wrong.

Lebby's offense works better with a QB that can pass AND run. The scoreboard is the proof in the pudding. We averaged a TD more a game with Shapen starting than KT. And to say that KT's completion percentage would have been better with more reps is unlikely. He has to grow at his own pace which is honestly really rapid for where he was. He kept bringing up Matt Corral- remember when he was a freshman playing against us in the Egg Bowl? You could see he had talent but he was not good at all in that game.

Once KT is able to pass accurately his running ability will actually be even more dangerous and he will be a much more explosive player.

[Todd4State]

Last time I checked, KT does not play defense. I don't care if Michael Vick was our QB; we could not stop the other team.

Oh yeah. There's that elephant in the room.

[RezDog7]

And to add to this, I sat in the stands and watched the best offensive performance at MSU since Dak for a little over 3 quarters against TX. Guess who was sitting on the sidelines.

[Tbonewannabe]

And to add to this, I sat in the stands and watched the best offensive performance at MSU since Dak for a little over 3 quarters against TX. Guess who was sitting on the sidelines.

Shapen was good when he had protection. The problem was that he was horrific when he didn't. Basically Shapen > KT when the Oline was at least mediocre. KT > Shapen when the Oline was one of the worst in the SEC. KT could escape the pocket where Shapen could not.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Hadad Gets it....this is exactly what i was talking about with KT vs Shapen. I rest my case!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/843009558311404

LMAO! "I rest my case!".... LMAO!

Dude, I don't give a fook about Hadad nor his opinion.

"I REST MY CASE!"


:rolleyes:

[BlackSailsDawg]

Him and Faulk are fans. You cannot think of them as members of the media. If you think of them as members of the media then you will be left scratching your head at about half of what they say. If you just say that they are fans and, like fans, they have bad takes and are completely irrational sometimes then you kind of just laugh at what they say.

That is not to say they do not have sources or I do not agree with their takes, because some of them are on the money. But just take most of what they say with a grain of salt.

The best quote I've heard about this is, "Homers tend to get emotional and emotional people make bad journalists." That's why I push back so hard on literally all of our media being legit media members. By and large, they are fans. They have some good articles and have some good takes, but they have just as many emotional takes(good and bad) that take away from them being actual media members.

Faulk is horrible too. I do not think I have ever met a more emotional rag of a guy.

[Pancho]

both are pretty nice guys who are huge fan boys and I pay no attention to them. they are much akin to ben garrett up north on the plantation except ben is an actual prick

[StarkVegasSteve]

Faulk is horrible too. I do not think I have ever met a more emotional rag of a guy.

He's a fan. He's no different than any of us. We're emotional too. That's what I'm saying though, you have to stop thinking of fanboy media as real media. They're not. That's not a knock on them. They're just not. Billy Luicci is fanboy media and he's highly successful. Same thing with the KY Sports Radio guys. I mean no one thinks Ben Garrett or Chase Parham are real media. No one thinks Steve Robertson is real media. Think of Faulk and Hadad in that same way. They're fans. There's nothing wrong with it. I used to really not like either of them, but the minute I stopped thinking of them as media, I didn't care anymore. I take most of what they say with a grain of salt. I treat their stuff like I treat message board posts. There's some good info and some bad. There's some good takes and there's some just god awful takes.

[TrapGame]

He's a fan. He's no different than any of us. We're emotional too. That's what I'm saying though, you have to stop thinking of fanboy media as real media. They're not. That's not a knock on them. They're just not. Billy Luicci is fanboy media and he's highly successful. Same thing with the KY Sports Radio guys. I mean no one thinks Ben Garrett or Chase Parham are real media. No one thinks Steve Robertson is real media. Think of Faulk and Hadad in that same way. They're fans. There's nothing wrong with it. I used to really not like either of them, but the minute I stopped thinking of them as media, I didn't care anymore. I take most of what they say with a grain of salt. I treat their stuff like I treat message board posts. There's some good info and some bad. There's some good takes and there's some just god awful takes.

The problem with that is Hadad is on the radio not a message board. I had to tell two of my State coworkers, who were freaking out bc they thought we were seriously going after Muschamp and failed epically, that Hadad was 100% wrong. They think he has sources and knows what is going on in the program.

[BlackSailsDawg]

He's a fan. He's no different than any of us. We're emotional too. That's what I'm saying though, you have to stop thinking of fanboy media as real media. They're not. That's not a knock on them. They're just not. Billy Luicci is fanboy media and he's highly successful. Same thing with the KY Sports Radio guys. I mean no one thinks Ben Garrett or Chase Parham are real media. No one thinks Steve Robertson is real media. Think of Faulk and Hadad in that same way. They're fans. There's nothing wrong with it. I used to really not like either of them, but the minute I stopped thinking of them as media, I didn't care anymore. I take most of what they say with a grain of salt. I treat their stuff like I treat message board posts. There's some good info and some bad. There's some good takes and there's some just god awful takes.

What I meant was he's so emotional and defensive he was about in tears.

That's not fanhood.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The problem with that is Hadad is on the radio not a message board. I had to tell two of my State coworkers, who were freaking out bc they thought we were seriously going after Muschamp and failed epically, that Hadad was 100% wrong. They think he has sources and knows what is going on in the program.

He has sources. He's worked the beat long enough that you develop sources. I mean Brian has been on the beat, I think, for almost 15 years. He's going to develop sources during that time period. Chase Parham is the most well sourced person at OM and he's fan media. You can be in fan media and have sources, they just aren't going to be the best and most accurate sometimes. I still don't understand the whining about Muschamp. It's very well documented, by legit Muschamp himself, how happy he is in quasi retirement in Athens.

[StarkVegasSteve]

What I meant was he's so emotional and defensive he was about in tears.

That's not fanhood.

I don't know what to tell you because I haven't seen that. I mean if you don't like him, just don't listen. I don't really listen to them too much anymore. I actually listen to Neal McCready more than I listen to anyone at Mississippi State. I listen to him and Tyler Siskey 2x week and I'll listen to him and Chase a couple of times a week. Their podcasts don't feel like they're preaching at anyone. I feel like Faulk and Hadad try to preach at their listeners to think like them. Nothing wrong with that, it seems to be their style. I just don't enjoy it. They also don't really tell me anything I don't already know. Neal and Tyler, and Neal and Chase as well, also discuss the entire conference and other stuff and I enjoy that far more than I do listening to someone just complain about Mississippi State constantly with brief intermissions of admitting we did something right.

[TrapGame]

He has sources. He's worked the beat long enough that you develop sources. I mean Brian has been on the beat, I think, for almost 15 years. He's going to develop sources during that time period. Chase Parham is the most well sourced person at OM and he's fan media. You can be in fan media and have sources, they just aren't going to be the best and most accurate sometimes. I still don't understand the whining about Muschamp. It's very well documented, by legit Muschamp himself, how happy he is in quasi retirement in Athens.

I think you are missing the context of what actually came out of his mouth. I listened to it live coming home from work. Hadad was pissed we did not have Muschamp with a contract on his way to Starkville. Hadad literally said he was in Athens doing nothing right now. Then he wanted to know what this staff was doing. Why are they not in the ball.

I understand there is an entertainment angle to this but this sort of ill informed tirade harms us more than it helps us.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I don't know what to tell you because I haven't seen that. I mean if you don't like him, just don't listen. I don't really listen to them too much anymore. I actually listen to Neal McCready more than I listen to anyone at Mississippi State. I listen to him and Tyler Siskey 2x week and I'll listen to him and Chase a couple of times a week. Their podcasts don't feel like they're preaching at anyone. I feel like Faulk and Hadad try to preach at their listeners to think like them. Nothing wrong with that, it seems to be their style. I just don't enjoy it. They also don't really tell me anything I don't already know. Neal and Tyler, and Neal and Chase as well, also discuss the entire conference and other stuff and I enjoy that far more than I do listening to someone just complain about Mississippi State constantly with brief intermissions of admitting we did something right.

I don't listen to them. In fact, about the only things I listen to is the pregame and post game. At the same time, I don't watch or listen to news.

Correction... I watch Matt footage break down

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think you are missing the context of what actually came out of his mouth. I listened to it live coming home from work. Hadad was pissed we did not have Muschamp with a contract on his way to Starkville. Hadad literally said he was in Athens doing nothing right now. Then he wanted to know what this staff was doing. Why are they not in the ball.

I understand there is an entertainment angle to this but this sort of ill informed tirade harms us more than it helps us.

It really doesn't. Because most people understand he's a fan. He's not a legit member of the media. Fans have bad irrational takes. Just like that one. Now if he would've went on there and said, "My sources have told me Will Muschamp is very interested in coming to Starkville." and then went on his tirade, I would have a problem. Because that would be lying to the fanbase. Him saying he wants Will Muschamp is like me saying we need to go hire Glenn Schumann. I can scream it from the rooftops but that doesn't make it any closer to happening.

[Coursesuper]

It really doesn't. Because most people understand he's a fan. He's not a legit member of the media. Fans have bad irrational takes. Just like that one. Now if he would've went on there and said, "My sources have told me Will Muschamp is very interested in coming to Starkville." and then went on his tirade, I would have a problem. Because that would be lying to the fanbase. Him saying he wants Will Muschamp is like me saying we need to go hire Glenn Schumann. I can scream it from the rooftops but that doesn't make it any closer to happening.

I completely get where you are coming from and it makes sense, the difference is that these fanboy media types have a megaphone spewing bullshat like what Trap is referencing. They have influence and these same bad, no info takes show up here and elsewhere on the reg and are repeated like truth.

[TrapGame]

I completely get where you are coming from and it makes sense, the difference is that these fanboy media types have a megaphone spewing bullshat like what Trap is referencing. They have influence and these same bad, no info takes show up here and elsewhere on the reg and are repeated like truth.

Exactly!

[BlackSailsDawg]

I completely get where you are coming from and it makes sense, the difference is that these fanboy media types have a megaphone spewing bullshat like what Trap is referencing. They have influence and these same bad, no info takes show up here and elsewhere on the reg and are repeated like truth.

Yep

[StarkVegasSteve]

I completely get where you are coming from and it makes sense, the difference is that these fanboy media types have a megaphone spewing bullshat like what Trap is referencing. They have influence and these same bad, no info takes show up here and elsewhere on the reg and are repeated like truth.

They have influence if you let them. But it's like I was saying, think of them as fans. They are, sometimes, well sourced fans. They have good takes, bad takes, and just plain astronomically stupid takes.

[Coursesuper]

They have influence if you let them. But it's like I was saying, think of them as fans. They are, sometimes, well sourced fans. They have good takes, bad takes, and just plain astronomically stupid takes.

Yes, all true you are absolutely correct. Only thing is that there are a lot of people searching for any info on MSU sports and view these fanboys as experts (ie. ole 99jc), and they are and will take the good, the bad and the absurd as gospel. Like I've said before these guys don't do us any favors. What everyone has to try to understand is that all these fanboys are in the end just selling a product wrapped in whatever colors the school they follow happen to be.

[Pancho]

they wanna feel like they are way more important and influential than they are.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yes, all true you are absolutely correct. Only thing is that there are a lot of people searching for any info on MSU sports and view these fanboys as experts (ie. ole 99jc), and they are and will take the good, the bad and the absurd as gospel. Like I've said before these guys don't do us any favors. What everyone has to try to understand is that all these fanboys are in the end just selling a product wrapped in whatever colors the school they follow happen to be.

100%. Ben Garrett, Chase Parham, Robbie Faulk, Paul Jones, Gabe DeArmond, Billy Liucci, Matt Jones, etc. They are all fans. They don't want to be a Pete Nakos, Pete Thamel, Chris Low, Mark Schlabach, etc. They are content writing for fan sites. And that's ok. Because for guys like Liucci and Jones they have made a very good living doing that because they have branched their fan sites into legit money making enterprises. But fans don't make good journalists. Because fans let emotion into the equation.

[Todd4State]

They have influence if you let them. But it's like I was saying, think of them as fans. They are, sometimes, well sourced fans. They have good takes, bad takes, and just plain astronomically stupid takes.

Well, they definitely have some influence at least indirectly. I would say most of the things that they have come up with whether it's painting the end zones to what kind of coach MSU should hire- MSU has done a lot of it. The script State on the football helmets is another example.

Now, no they aren't going to be able to go up to Kennum and Selmon and be like "Do this now" and it happens.

BUT if you can build a following and you influence enough people to say the same thing then MSU does notice that. That's where their "power" is. Hell, they were using their followers to try to get more media access this past offseason. What Joe from Bogue Chitto is sitting on his couch going "gee I wish the media had more access"? That came from somewhere.

And then anyone that disagrees with them they basically belittle them and their followers just chime right on in and there's really not much discourse. Even if they're wrong. And that's really the biggest issue with fanboys IMO. Yes, sometimes their ideas are good but sometimes their ideas really aren't very good either. And there is really no one there to hold them accountable. I hate to bring it up but an example would be Kevin Barbay. He basically fit the mold of the OC that they preferred and it was a complete disaster. Not that they hired the guy or had any say in it but you don't have anyone saying "this is what you wanted and it sucks." And if you did then the excuses come and it's really Dave Emrick's fault, I was just trying to be positive after a tragic situation, I'm just a preacher's kid, I just sell pizzas whatever it is.

[Todd4State]

He has sources. He's worked the beat long enough that you develop sources. I mean Brian has been on the beat, I think, for almost 15 years. He's going to develop sources during that time period. Chase Parham is the most well sourced person at OM and he's fan media. You can be in fan media and have sources, they just aren't going to be the best and most accurate sometimes. I still don't understand the whining about Muschamp. It's very well documented, by legit Muschamp himself, how happy he is in quasi retirement in Athens.

The Muschamp thing was weird to me. And it wasn't just Brian saying it- Bo Bounds was in on it to. Probably from the same source if I had to guess. Never made any sense as to why he would leave his position at Georgia to be our DC. I would have been more shocked if it did happen. And melting down over it makes even less sense. It would be like me melting down because we didn't hire Jon Gruden as our head coach or something.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The Muschamp thing was weird to me. And it wasn't just Brian saying it- Bo Bounds was in on it to. Probably from the same source if I had to guess. Never made any sense as to why he would leave his position at Georgia to be our DC. I would have been more shocked if it did happen. And melting down over it makes even less sense. It would be like me melting down because we didn't hire Jon Gruden as our head coach or something.

I think we have a few of new money boosters, I know of one in particular, that just fires off names and thinks that means we're getting them because he says he'll pay for them. He has no clue how the coaching business works. I think that's where all the Muschamp stuff started. If it's the guy I'm thinking of, he was in his box at the Egg Bowl telling everyone Lebby was being fired Saturday morning and we were getting Mullen.

[Todd4State]

I think we have a few of new money boosters, I know of one in particular, that just fires off names and thinks that means we're getting them because he says he'll pay for them. He has no clue how the coaching business works. I think that's where all the Muschamp stuff started. If it's the guy I'm thinking of, he was in his box at the Egg Bowl telling everyone Lebby was being fired Saturday morning and we were getting Mullen.

Is this the same guy that was hell bent on getting Jamey Chadwell?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is this the same guy that was hell bent on getting Jamey Chadwell?

I don't believe so. This guy is really new money. He had money, but now he has A LOT of money.

[Coursesuper]

I don't believe so. This guy is really new money. He had money, but now he has A LOT of money.

10-4.

[Tbonewannabe]

I don't believe so. This guy is really new money. He had money, but now he has A LOT of money.

Hopefully the guy is supporting Lebby and not just holding out until we do exactly what he wants.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hopefully the guy is supporting Lebby and not just holding out until we do exactly what he wants.

He supports State. He's going to support whoever the State coach is. There was just a lot of frustration among a lot of boosters after The Egg Bowl and alcohol had been flowing since 8 AM.

[MBDawg601]

Acknowledge he should have played KT a lot more this season and it probably cost us 2-3 wins. and i don't want to hear any Bullshit about how he wasn't ready. The only way to get ready is to play. Sitting your ASS ON THE BENCH never gets you ready. Sharpen was a sack magnet all season. I just hope he learned his lesson and quits being hard-headed and plays the best players. The loyalty angle is for a loser's mentality. Can you ever imagine Nick Saban ever resorting to loyalty over common sense. Come on Lebby grow a nut sack and be a real head coach.

We were in a lot of games we had NO business being in this year. If you cannot acknowledge that, than I do not see how you can demand Lebby acknowledge something you think should have happened, as an error on his end for not making it happen. Anyone that watched the games, knows QB was not the reason we lost the games. He actually had us in those games we should not have been with some key, accurate downfield passes.

Not claiming close losses as a win, but we hammered Vegas because we over performed for most of the year. Inserting a true freshman QB into those close games, does not change the outcome and quite frankly, I do not think we are in them with anyone other than Blake at QB. I give a lot of that credit to Lebby and staff for sticking to their gut on LEAVING Blake at QB, regardless of our dumbass idea to throw a true freshmen QB out there in the SEC.

[DownwardDawg]

He supports State. He's going to support whoever the State coach is. There was just a lot of frustration among a lot of boosters after The Egg Bowl and alcohol had been flowing since 8 AM.

I was just about to say he sounds like a drunk with money. That always leads to great decisions.

[HancockCountyDog]

He supports State. He's going to support whoever the State coach is. There was just a lot of frustration among a lot of boosters after The Egg Bowl and alcohol had been flowing since 8 AM.

Going 1-5 in the last six egg bowls and 3 straight home losses to those assholes will make that happen. Throw in the fact that there was a ton of those peter millar wearing assholes all through our stadium for that game and it is easy to get pissed.

[Jarius]

Well, they definitely have some influence at least indirectly. I would say most of the things that they have come up with whether it's painting the end zones to what kind of coach MSU should hire- MSU has done a lot of it. The script State on the football helmets is another example.

Now, no they aren't going to be able to go up to Kennum and Selmon and be like "Do this now" and it happens.

BUT if you can build a following and you influence enough people to say the same thing then MSU does notice that. That's where their "power" is. Hell, they were using their followers to try to get more media access this past offseason. What Joe from Bogue Chitto is sitting on his couch going "gee I wish the media had more access"? That came from somewhere.

And then anyone that disagrees with them they basically belittle them and their followers just chime right on in and there's really not much discourse. Even if they're wrong. And that's really the biggest issue with fanboys IMO. Yes, sometimes their ideas are good but sometimes their ideas really aren't very good either. And there is really no one there to hold them accountable. I hate to bring it up but an example would be Kevin Barbay. He basically fit the mold of the OC that they preferred and it was a complete disaster. Not that they hired the guy or had any say in it but you don't have anyone saying "this is what you wanted and it sucks." And if you did then the excuses come and it's really Dave Emrick's fault, I was just trying to be positive after a tragic situation, I'm just a preacher's kid, I just sell pizzas whatever it is.

They were very instrumental in getting our interlocking helmets back full time. I will forever be grateful to them for pushing that after our administration bullsh*t us for 20 years on them not being available. They have takes that I agree with and takes I disagree with, but they want State to win as bad as we all do. I realize they are not for everyone and I respect that. Robbie is a pretty close friend of mine and he is a good person. He has his own faults and struggles like the rest of us. But like I said. The heart is in the right place for State for both he and Hadad.

[Pancho]

correct and I still don't have to pay attention to them if I don't want to

[SpaceBully]

Acknowledge he should have played KT a lot more this season and it probably cost us 2-3 wins. and i don't want to hear any Bullshit about how he wasn't ready. The only way to get ready is to play. Sitting your ASS ON THE BENCH never gets you ready. Sharpen was a sack magnet all season. I just hope he learned his lesson and quits being hard-headed and plays the best players. The loyalty angle is for a loser's mentality. Can you ever imagine Nick Saban ever resorting to loyalty over common sense. Come on Lebby grow a nut sack and be a real head coach.

I'm sure Lebby will be checking with EliteDawgs prior to any future decisions regarding our football team.

[HoopsDawg]

I'm sure Lebby will be checking with EliteDawgs prior to any future decisions regarding our football team.

Hey Lebby, put in a QB sneak