Anybody know points allowed under Arnett

[BlackSailsDawg]

I have asked AI and it keeps giving the same results for every year. I would love to know

[msstate7]

https://cfbstats.com/2025/team/430/index.html

Change the years at top

[DownwardDawg]

It can't be many. Because we couldn't score for shit and still won games.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Thanks 7

[BlackSailsDawg]

From 2020-22 ranked top 5 in SEC in: total defense, lowest percentage of big plays allowed, points per possession allowed, fewest rushing TDs and yards allowed, among others.

[CadaverDawg]

From 2020-22 ranked top 5 in SEC in: total defense, lowest percentage of big plays allowed, points per possession allowed, fewest rushing TDs and yards allowed, among others.

Bbbbbbut he isn't a swell guy, BSD! **

I'm actually shocked we made the hire, but in a good way. Usually State is too prideful to go back and make a move like this that should benefit us.

[Todd4State]

Ranks in PPG:

6th
7th
9th
10th- head coach year.

In other words he got gradually worse.

[CadaverDawg]

Ranks in PPG:

6th
7th
9th
10th- head coach year.

In other words he got gradually worse.

Hahaha Todd is a woman scorned

What happened to pulling the rope in the same direction, Todd?

[BlackSailsDawg]

What was the point per game in conference play.

I saw that with all games, 23 points per.

[DownwardDawg]

Ranks in PPG:

6th
7th
9th
10th- head coach year.

In other words he got gradually worse.

Yes, but those are pretty damn good. Look, we all agree he was a terrible HC, but he was a damn good DC. Leach loved him and thought the world of him. Keenum's dumbass put him in that position. He was a post turtle. You know he didn't belong up there on that post but some dumbass put him up there. I bet our defense next season is light years better.

[msstate7]

FEI def...
2020 - 31st
2021 - 34th
2022 - 11th

FPI def eff...
2020 - 18th
2021 - 33rd
2022 - 11th

Arnett was great as our DC. If we come close to these numbers this upcoming season, we will have a real shot at 7-8 wins.

[RisperDawg]

He was a post turtle.

Well I learned a new term today. Lol. That's great

[Todd4State]

Yes, but those are pretty damn good. Look, we all agree he was a terrible HC, but he was a damn good DC. Leach loved him and thought the world of him. Keenum's dumbass put him in that position. He was a post turtle. You know he didn't belong up there on that post but some dumbass put him up there. I bet our defense next season is light years better.

Bottom half of the SEC is "damn good" now?

[Todd4State]

FEI def...
2020 - 31st
2021 - 34th
2022 - 11th

FPI def eff...
2020 - 18th
2021 - 33rd
2022 - 11th

Arnett was great as our DC. If we come close to these numbers this upcoming season, we will have a real shot at 7-8 wins.

Left of 2023 for some reason?

[Todd4State]

Hahaha Todd is a woman scorned

What happened to pulling the rope in the same direction, Todd?

MSU needs to stop hiring people that cut the rope.

[Tater]

FEI def...
2020 - 31st
2021 - 34th
2022 - 11th

FPI def eff...
2020 - 18th
2021 - 33rd
2022 - 11th

Arnett was great as our DC. If we come close to these numbers this upcoming season, we will have a real shot at 7-8 wins.

Hand-waving but State's ideal:

Defense like 2022 rating
KT takes a step forward in the passing game
Hit on OL in the portal
Hit on a top WR pull from the portal

That team threatens for the playoffs.
Now is that realistic to expect? No. But you can at least see what vision we're going for. Who we keep through the portal window and add will be obviously be the deciding factors on the hype meter - but there is vision. And kudos to all folks involved if we're really setting aside egos like this.

[msstate7]

Left of 2023 for some reason?

Just looked at years he was the DC only, but here...

FEI def - 45th
FPI - 39th

Dropped in both, but not horrible

[DownwardDawg]

Bottom half of the SEC is "damn good" now?

Bro......stop being so butthurt. It's gonna be ok. It's gonna be better than ok. If we had Arnette's defense this season, we are 8-4 at worst.

[TrapGame]

Just looked at years he was the DC only, but here...

FEI def - 45th
FPI - 39th

Dropped in both, but not horrible

So, about where Armstrong has been at Houston.

A 45th ranked defense this year would have meant an 8 win season and a decent bowl game.

[TrapGame]

Bro......stop being so butthurt. It's gonna be ok. It's gonna be better than ok. If we had Arnette's defense this season, we are 8-4 at worst.

Absolutely.

[msudawg1200]

Arnett
2020-28.1(all SEC games)
2021-25.9
2022-23.1
Duntzler
2024-34.1
2025-29.2

In SEC games only
Arnett
2020-28.1
2021-27.5
2022-28.6
Duntzler
2024-38.9
2025-37.9

In P4 games
Arnett
2020-28.1
2021-26.4
2022-25.6
Duntzler
2024-37.9
2025-35.9

Like Arnett or not he is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge upgrade from Duntzler who was historically bad. He might be the worst hire in MSU history and that's saying something. I don't know if some of you understand how bad he really was.

[confucius say]

Ranks in PPG:

6th
7th
9th
10th- head coach year.

In other words he got gradually worse.

I'll take 8th in points allowed and top 5 in yards allowed. Sign me up.
Especially with a competent offense, which we didn't have in 2020 or 2023

[Todd4State]

Bro......stop being so butthurt. It's gonna be ok. It's gonna be better than ok. If we had Arnette's defense this season, we are 8-4 at worst.

We should be butthurt. This is an insanely stupid move by Lebby.

Yeah it will be Ok. After we fire Arnett and then bring back Dan and then he leaves us after that doesn't work. So, five- seven years it should be great.

[Todd4State]

I'll take 8th in points allowed and top 5 in yards allowed. Sign me up.
Especially with a competent offense, which we didn't have in 2020 or 2023

Give me points since that's what they use to determine who wins and loses the game.

[confucius say]

Bottom half of the SEC is "damn good" now?

Sign me up to average 8th in points allowed and top 5 in yards allowed.

[msudawg1200]

Sign me up to average 8th in points allowed and top 5 in yards allowed.

Exactly. This year that would've got us to 9-3 and a Florida bowl. I guess some of our fans like 16th last in yards and 16th in points allowed(15th this year thanks Arky)

[Maroon Glasses]

We should be butthurt. This is an insanely stupid move by Lebby.

Yeah it will be Ok. After we fire Arnett and then bring back Dan and then he leaves us after that doesn't work. So, five- seven years it should be great.

If this works out will you be happy or would you still hate the guy?

Feels like you really dislike him. I understand your points but I think its going to work out. Arnett probably has an extra chip on his shoulder too.

[confucius say]

Give me points since that's what they use to determine who wins and loses the game.

Ok. I'll take 8th in points allowed. Sign me up.

We have to get players though. Whether it's arnett or Armstrong or Wilcox or Saban, we have to get players. That will tell the tale.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Left of 2023 for some reason?

Was he DC then?

[Todd4State]

If this works out will you be happy or would you still hate the guy?

Feels like you really dislike him. I understand your points but I think its going to work out. Arnett probably has an extra chip on his shoulder too.

I do not have any respect for Arnett. If he apologizes publicly for what he did I might give him a chance but he's not man enough to do that.

And when I say apologize I mean he needs to apologize for what he did to Leach's staff and admit that hiring Barbay was wrong. He needs to apologize for lying to our players and their families. He needs to apologize for his foul language embarrassing MSU on TV during an interview.

[Todd4State]

Was he DC then?

He oversaw it and that's what he specialized in. He also recruited most of those players.

[CadaverDawg]

I do not have any respect for Arnett. If he apologizes publicly for what he did I might give him a chance but he's not man enough to do that.

And when I say apologize I mean he needs to apologize for what he did to Leach's staff and admit that hiring Barbay was wrong. He needs to apologize for lying to our players and their families. He needs to apologize for his foul language embarrassing MSU on TV during an interview.

This ain't intramurals brother. If your criteria for a DC includes being a good guy and not cussing, you need to sit this one out. I'll let Sam Purcell coach your defense, but I'd prefer a psycho as my DC in the SEC

[EdwardDrayton]

This ain't intramurals brother. If your criteria for a DC includes being a good guy and not cussing, you need to sit this one out. I'll let Sam Purcell coach your defense, but I'd prefer a psycho as my DC in the SEC

The Wendy's drive through girl in the back just raised her hand.

[Todd4State]

This ain't intramurals brother. If your criteria for a DC includes being a good guy and not cussing, you need to sit this one out. I'll let Sam Purcell coach your defense, but I'd prefer a psycho as my DC in the SEC

Is not completely destroying the program because you are an idiot fall into your criteria? Or are you cool with our intramural team being 5-7?

[msstate7]

Is not completely destroying the program because you are an idiot fall into your criteria? Or are you cool with our intramural team being 5-7?

You like Lebby, right? What's our record this season?

[EdwardDrayton]

I do not have any respect for Arnett. If he apologizes publicly for what he did I might give him a chance but he's not man enough to do that.

And when I say apologize I mean he needs to apologize for what he did to Leach's staff and admit that hiring Barbay was wrong. He needs to apologize for lying to our players and their families. He needs to apologize for his foul language embarrassing MSU on TV during an interview.

It just feels like we got left with the last kid on the playground that no one else picked.

[Biguglyjoe]

The Wendy's drive through girl in the back just raised her hand.
He said he?d let him be his DC, not his UberEats driver.

[FISHDAWG]

Arnett
2020-28.1(all SEC games)
2021-25.9
2022-23.1
Duntzler
2024-34.1
2025-29.2

In SEC games only
Arnett
2020-28.1
2021-27.5
2022-28.6
Duntzler
2024-38.9
2025-37.9

In P4 games
Arnett
2020-28.1
2021-26.4
2022-25.6
Duntzler
2024-37.9
2025-35.9

Like Arnett or not he is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge upgrade from Duntzler who was historically bad. He might be the worst hire in MSU history .

Worst hire will ALWAYS be Peter Sirmon....as far as DC goes. Everyone keeps confusing his Head coaching career against his coordinator career. I'm glad to see the guy back because we had an above serviceable level from him as DC and we haven't been there since he was no longer the DC ... I know it's kinda like the Manny Diaz situation coming back but Manny never wanted to be here. Objective reasoning says we can expect improvement... especially since recruitment isn't the Trump card that it used to be

[Coach34]

Sooooooooo.....

We just hired a proven SEC DC. Who owns acres of land around Starkville because he and his family loves the area.

We were turned down by others because our NIL is shit and they dont want to be a baller on a budget.

I'm not seeing the problem

[Todd4State]

You like Lebby, right? What's our record this season?

**** Lebby if he picks people like Zach Arnett to be our coach.

[FISHDAWG]

Sooooooooo.....

We just hired a proven SEC DC. Who owns acres of land around Starkville because he and his family loves the area.

We were turned down by others because our NIL is shit and they dont want to be a baller on a budget.

I'm not seeing the problem

Ditto.... I just don't get the consternation

[EdwardDrayton]

Notable DCs did not want to risk a one and done with Jeff Lebby. Plain and simple.

[archdog]

I do not have any respect for Arnett. If he apologizes publicly for what he did I might give him a chance but he's not man enough to do that.

And when I say apologize I mean he needs to apologize for what he did to Leach's staff and admit that hiring Barbay was wrong. He needs to apologize for lying to our players and their families. He needs to apologize for his foul language embarrassing MSU on TV during an interview.

Grow up. He made some bad decisions. And he was fired for them. But it doesnt Change the guy liked MSU and was a good DC. Which we need.

[archdog]

Notable DCs did not want to risk a one and done with Jeff Lebby. Plain and simple.

May be true, but Lebby given 5 plays to redo, wins 7 games this past year with a defensive hand behind his back.

[Todd4State]

Grow up. He made some bad decisions. And he was fired for them. But it doesnt Change the guy liked MSU and was a good DC. Which we need.

If he really liked MSU he never would have taken the head coaching job to start with.

[RisperDawg]

If he really liked MSU he never would have taken the head coaching job to start with.

I see it often mentioned on this board how most coaches have a confidence/arrogance/bravado/whatever you want to call it about how they are going to succeed at the next level. It's why they take the job and it's part of what makes them successful at the current level. (See the Peter principle.)

You seem to be attributing willful harm by Arnett to State. I think his outcome could be explained by a multitude of things. I agree with basically everyone that he was in over his head. However, I think it's equally plausible that he was unaware of the practical aspects of being a head coach when he took the role and was simply not experienced enough for it. It's also equally plausible he believed he would have the intelligence/work ethic/etc to learn OTJ.

I would further add that not everyone succeeds on the first attempt but can learn the skills and succeed later. My favorite historical figure, Washington, had a disastrous turn as a soldier in the French and Indian War. More than a decade passes, and you know the rest.

Anyway, I'm pretty deep into the Heaven Hill at this point. Thanks for listening. Lol.

[Todd4State]

I see it often mentioned on this board how most coaches have a confidence/arrogance/bravado/whatever you want to call it about how they are going to succeed at the next level. It's why they take the job and it's part of what makes them successful at the current level. (See the Peter principle.)

You seem to be attributing willful harm by Arnett to State. I think his outcome could be explained by a multitude of things. I agree with basically everyone that he was in over his head. However, I think it's equally plausible that he was unaware of the practical aspects of being a head coach when he took the role and was simply not experienced enough for it. It's also equally plausible he believed he would have the intelligence/work ethic/etc to learn OTJ.

I would further add that not everyone succeeds on the first attempt but can learn the skills and succeed later. My favorite historical figure, Washington, had a disastrous turn as a soldier in the French and Indian War. More than a decade passes, and you know the rest.

Anyway, I'm pretty deep into the Heaven Hill at this point. Thanks for listening. Lol.

I question his judgement for sure. Because depending on what side of the story you believe the boosters actually wanted him to keep the Air Raid, specifically a version thereof because no one runs it like Leach and no one runs any scheme exactly the same anyway but I digress or the veer and shoot which is on the Air Raid branch of things due to Art Briles coaching under Leach and taking some of the core ideas of the Air Raid to his offense which became the veer and shoot of course. But he still went in another direction and whenever he decided to do that whether it's because he couldn't hire someone off of the Air Raid tree or whatever the case was he should have communicated what he was doing and wanted to do. Everyone was going to figure it out at some point anyway. So, just come clean about it. And I wouldn't have liked the decision had he done it that way but I could have at least respected it.

Whether it was willfully done or not- I don't think he meant to hurt MSU. Probably didn't mean to hurt the players. But it's kind of like if I accidentally run over someone in my car. I didn't mean to run over them. But I did it. There has to be some consequences for that at some level. And in the case of Arnett he lied to the team, fans, parents, etc. and he lost he respect of the players and the team and he lost his job at MSU.

And it makes me wonder- this guy was OK backstabbing Leach's staff basically because they worked at a different time than his defensive staff. Could he do the same with Lebby? Absolutely. He has connections with boosters that hurt MSU. They may not be connected now, but does Arnett being back open the door for some of them again? It's not just the fact that he failed here. It's the risk that he could do more damage to the program. And why would Lebby and MSU open themselves up for that? We aren't even completely through the mess that Arnett made and we're welcoming him back and basically hoping it works and everything is fine all of a sudden?

And after all George Washington may have failed in the French and Indian War- but he was never without integrity. People with integrity I don't mind giving them second chances. People like Zach Arnett should not get that opportunity.