Arnett back in at DC.

[ScubaDawg]

I don?t hate it. Good move.

https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/article/zach-arnett-defensive-coordinator-mississippi-state-football-jeff-lebby-265071022/

[BlackSailsDawg]

I don?t hate it. Good move.

https://247sports.com/college/mississippi-state/article/zach-arnett-defensive-coordinator-mississippi-state-football-jeff-lebby-265071022/


I don't hate it... but I am in shock.

[TrapGame]

Underwhelming but better than Hutzler by miles.

Which means in some crazy what if scenario if we had kept Arnett as DC when Lebby came we would probably be 8-4 this year. Arnett is a legit DC.

[DownwardDawg]

Underwhelming but better than Hutzler by miles.

Which means in some crazy what if scenario if we had kept Arnett as DC when Lebby came we would probably be 8-4 this year. Arnett is a legit DC.

Agree

[Maroon Glasses]

I don't hate it but very surprising. What happened with other candidates? I been sick so haven't been able to read the board much past couple days.

[Cowbell]

I'm gonna say this, and some of you guys are going to disagree and that's fine. Arnett never wanted the situation that he was put in. This is a chance to make some of that stuff right in my opinion. He loved it here as much as any coach we've had in recent history. There wasn't a person on this board that didn't like his defense before he was hired as head coach And his defenses were awesome considering the amount of recruiting red tape he had to jump through with leeches staff

[HoopsDawg]

I don't hate it but very surprising. What happened with other candidates? I been sick so haven't been able to read the board much past couple days.

I think it shows how hard it is for us to attract established coordinators/coaches.

[TrapGame]

I'm gonna say this, and some of you guys are going to disagree and that's fine. Arnett never wanted the situation that he was put in. This is a chance to make some of that stuff right in my opinion. He loved it here as much as any coach we've had in recent history. There wasn't a person on this board that didn't like his defense before he was hired as head coach And his defenses were awesome considering the amount of recruiting red tape he had to jump through with leeches staff

Peterson will not be in his ear. Arnett as DC was not bad. He had top #40 defenses. If we had a top #40 defense this year we would be going to a decent bowl game.

[Doggie_Style]

Better than 50% chance this whole staff will be slamming the trunk after next season.

[Cowbell]

I advocated for Lebby to bring him back when he first got here. He would be good for Lebby too. Somebody that will get on his a$$ when he's making dumb in game decisions.

[TrapGame]

Better than 50% chance this whole staff will be slamming the trunk after next season.

No, the odds of us making a bowl game next year just went up exponentially. Hutz shitty defense cost us at least two games this season. Upgrade the OL and this offense with KT will be electric.

[Cowbell]

Better than 50% chance this whole staff will be slamming the trunk after next season.

I would say hiring Arnett will get us in a better place. Tell me the last DC we had that was better than arnett?

[Todd4State]

**** this and **** Arnett.

[Really Clark?]

I would say hiring Arnett will get us in a better place. Tell me the last DC we had that was better than arnett?

Shoop

[Todd4State]

I would say hiring Arnett will get us in a better place. Tell me the last DC we had that was better than arnett?

Shoop.

[Dawgface]

I think it shows how hard it is for us to attract established coordinators/coaches.

Yep. Especially with a HC on a warm seat.

[tcdog70]

We know what we are getting. A proven DC. Pressure on the QB will return and the Blitz is back.

[Maroon Glasses]

I'm gonna say this, and some of you guys are going to disagree and that's fine. Arnett never wanted the situation that he was put in. This is a chance to make some of that stuff right in my opinion. He loved it here as much as any coach we've had in recent history. There wasn't a person on this board that didn't like his defense before he was hired as head coach And his defenses were awesome considering the amount of recruiting red tape he had to jump through with leeches staff

Spot on man. The vision is just cloudy right now because of how the situation ended, but he is a good DC. Would I have liked some of the other candidates that was thrown around? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But I'm happy with Arnett. His defensive numbers speak for itself.

[Maroon Glasses]

I think it shows how hard it is for us to attract established coordinators/coaches.

Very true. Especially if they are worried Lebby is on the hot seat. Makes it that much harder and it's hard enough as it is.

[STATEBALLIN]

Fans need to realize no rising DC was coming here to get shown the door after 1 season. Our options were very limited. Throw the same DC numbers with someone else?s name and we would be very happy right now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Shoop.

Todd, you and I could have called plays for that 18 defense. His 19 defense SUCKED. He was on par, and honestly probably a little worse, than Arnett. Everyone has this weird idea that Shoop was the architect of this incredible defense. He was not. Jeffrey Simmons and Montez Sweat on the same D Line would have made Coleman Hutzler look like a great D coordinator.

For reference, we went from #2 in 18 in defense to #73 in 19. Now, I do not think Shoop was this elite DC and regressed 71 spots in one year. The more obvious answer is that he fielded top 75 defenses most years and he had an outlier year where he was gifted 3 first round picks. His TN defense were not very good either. Neither of them were inside the top 70. Now he was really good at Penn State. So that tends to tell me that he is pretty good when he has elite talent, but when he does not, he is below average.

Now, if you know me, you know, I do not like Zach Arnett. I do not think he is an elite D coordinator. But I do know that his teams are gonna be aggressive and that can cause turnovers. I also know that he can make bad defenses look respectable and good defenses look pretty damn good.

[Coursesuper]

We know what we are getting. A proven DC. Pressure on the QB will return and the Blitz is back.

We had better upgrade fast on the back end to run that defense. They are all on an island a lot. And we better get some men up front quick.

[Homedawg]

I think it shows how hard it is for us to attract established coordinators/coaches.

Ding ding ding. This man gets it. Give him a trophy!!!

[Todd4State]

We know what we are getting. A proven DC. Pressure on the QB will return and the Blitz is back.

And a proven liar who got us into this mess.

[Coursesuper]

Ding ding ding. This man gets it. Give him a trophy!!!

Exactly.

[Coursesuper]

And a proven liar who got us into this mess.

You can ultimately thank a bunch of boosters for that. These wounds are all self inflicted. We missed our foot and shot ourselves in the dick.

[Todd4State]

Fans need to realize no rising DC was coming here to get shown the door after 1 season. Our options were very limited. Throw the same DC numbers with someone else?s name and we would be very happy right now.

We can do better than this. Come on. Croom hired a better DC than this. Oh the guy hasn't coached defense in two years if you count his disaster being a head coach.

[CadaverDawg]

You never know how things will turn out, but this is a home run hire for us in the situation we're currently in. Grand slam? No. Home run, absolutely.
Arnett had our Defense consistently in the Top 5 of the SEC, and that was with them on the field all freaking game under Leach's offense. Now you combine Arnett's defense with Lebby's desire to run the ball more and control the ball a little....it could be a wonderful scenario.

Not to mention, Arnett's defenses took the ball away. Imagine giving this offense with Taylor running it more chances every game.

Again, I'm not saying it couldn't also go south...but I'd say there is a much better chance of it working than not. Especially compared to the garbage pile Hutzler put on the field

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

**** this and **** Arnett.

Agree

[msstate7]

Great move.

[Todd4State]

You can ultimately thank a bunch of boosters for that. These wounds are all self inflicted. We missed our foot and shot ourselves in the dick.

He was part of it. He had a chance to do the right thing. He didn't. Arnett should not come back. He's an awful human being. He isn't even that good of a coach and he can't recruit.

This is a horrible decision by Lebby.

[Todd4State]

You never know how things will turn out, but this is a home run hire for us in the situation we're currently in. Grand slam? No. Home run, absolutely.
Arnett had our Defense consistently in the Top 5 of the SEC, and that was with them on the field all freaking game under Leach's offense. Now you combine Arnett's defense with Lebby's desire to run the ball more and control the ball a little....it could be a wonderful scenario.

Not to mention, Arnett's defenses took the ball away. Imagine giving this offense with Taylor running it more chances every game.

Again, I'm not saying it couldn't also go south...but I'd say there is a much better chance of it working than not. Especially compared to the garbage pile Hutzler put on the field

This is a swing and a miss. Big time miss.

[Todd4State]

Todd, you and I could have called plays for that 18 defense. His 19 defense SUCKED. He was on par, and honestly probably a little worse, than Arnett. Everyone has this weird idea that Shoop was the architect of this incredible defense. He was not. Jeffrey Simmons and Montez Sweat on the same D Line would have made Coleman Hutzler look like a great D coordinator.

For reference, we went from #2 in 18 in defense to #73 in 19. Now, I do not think Shoop was this elite DC and regressed 71 spots in one year. The more obvious answer is that he fielded top 75 defenses most years and he had an outlier year where he was gifted 3 first round picks. His TN defense were not very good either. Neither of them were inside the top 70. Now he was really good at Penn State. So that tends to tell me that he is pretty good when he has elite talent, but when he does not, he is below average.

Now, if you know me, you know, I do not like Zach Arnett. I do not think he is an elite D coordinator. But I do know that his teams are gonna be aggressive and that can cause turnovers. I also know that he can make bad defenses look respectable and good defenses look pretty damn good.

Maybe Bookie will get to kick his ass now.

[CadaverDawg]

He was part of it. He had a chance to do the right thing. He didn't. Arnett should not come back. He's an awful human being. He isn't even that good of a coach and he can't recruit.

This is a horrible decision by Lebby.

Tell us how you really feel, Todd. Ha

Is Beard a bad human being? What about Kiffin? Guess you wouldn't take them either then.

For a guy that was anti Croom and Moorhead, you just made a very pro Croom and Moorhead comment. We hiring "good guys", or do you want to win games? Usually you're on the side of winning games, so I'm surprised to hear you say that.

Such an awful guy that Ole Miss hired him, Mullen hired him, and we've hired him twice.

[CadaverDawg]

This is a swing and a miss. Big time miss.

With all due respect, you have no clue.

[Quaoarsking]

If things go South, he can take Lebby to Wendy's with him.

[Todd4State]

Tell us how you really feel, Todd. Ha

Is Beard a bad human being? What about Kiffin? Guess you wouldn't take them either then.

For a guy that was anti Croom and Moorhead, you just made a very pro Croom and Moorhead comment. We hiring "good guys", or do you want to win games? Usually you're on the side of winning games, so I'm surprised to hear you say that.

It's a bit more personal with Arnett. It's one thing to give the guy that robbed someone else's house a second chance and it's another to give the guy that robbed your house a second chance.

[Todd4State]

With all due respect, you have no clue.

No I do have a clue. Say whatever you want to make yourself feel better this is a horseshit move by Lebby.

[CadaverDawg]

If things go South, he can take Lebby to Wendy's with him.

Exactly. What do we have to lose with this hire? He's probably the best we could possibly ask for with Lebby on a warm seat. Not sure what our fans expect

[Todd4State]

Exactly. What do we have to lose with this hire? He's probably the best we could possibly ask for with Lebby on a warm seat. Not sure what our fans expect

Oh. Games. Recruits. Fan Support. Other than that we should be fine.

[CadaverDawg]

No I do have a clue. Say whatever you want to make yourself feel better this is a horseshit move by Lebby.

Haha why? Because Todd4State says it is? Explain why. You're overreacting as usual

[CadaverDawg]

Oh. Games. Recruits. Fan Support. Other than that we should be fine.

The only one he seems to have lost so far is you. Haha

[msstate7]

The only one he seems to have lost so far is you. Haha

1 sec win in 2 years, cool.
Hiring a successful sec DC, not cool.

[CadaverDawg]

It's a bit more personal with Arnett. It's one thing to give the guy that robbed someone else's house a second chance and it's another to give the guy that robbed your house a second chance.

So it's personal. Got it. That's all you had to say.

People change. And if not, he won't last. Sorry you had something personal happen.

[Todd4State]

Haha why? Because Todd4State says it is? Explain why. You're overreacting as usual

We just brought back the guy that got us into this mess. When he was fired he lost the entire team. He lied to our players multiple times and painting him as some sort of victim is wrong- he wanted the job. And then he was terrible at it. We wanted a good recruiter at DC and Arnett is not that either. Blame Emerick, Dudek whoever you want but guess what? It got worse when he left.

[Todd4State]

So it's personal. Got it. That's all you had to say.

People change. And if not, he won't last. Sorry you had something personal happen.

Should be personal to all of us. Say whatever you want to cope. This is a bad hire and a bad day for Mississippi State football.

[HoopsDawg]

You never know how things will turn out, but this is a home run hire for us in the situation we're currently in. Grand slam? No. Home run, absolutely.
Arnett had our Defense consistently in the Top 5 of the SEC, and that was with them on the field all freaking game under Leach's offense. Now you combine Arnett's defense with Lebby's desire to run the ball more and control the ball a little....it could be a wonderful scenario.


Again, I'm not saying it couldn't also go south...but I'd say there is a much better chance of it working than not. Especially compared to the garbage pile Hutzler put on the field

You are misremembering. We were #1 in the SEC in time of possession in 2021 under Leach. We didn?t run tempo. We burned the clock.

[Brobi-wan]

This is the most 17n MSU bullsh!t I have ever seen. The fact that we are hiring this guy back after what happened and that he would give us the time of day tells me everything I need to know.

[Coursesuper]

He was part of it. He had a chance to do the right thing. He didn't. Arnett should not come back. He's an awful human being. He isn't even that good of a coach and he can't recruit.

This is a horrible decision by Lebby.

As we’re way too many others. Until you people begin to understand the depth of the dumb17erey that we are trying to dig out of its just not going to make any sense. This sux and this situation shows as has been mentioned here how difficult for us to attract football coaches. This is due to a lack of continuity and funding with the program going back 8 years now. It’s not going to get fixed fast like you think. We are still having to rebuild the foundations that were shaky then completely blown apart. It’s a hard 17ing gig.

[Quaoarsking]

Two burning questions:

1. Does Arnett hold any personal resentment toward Lebby? It's totally natural if he does. Imagine if you took over a team in a tough spot, got fired midway through your first year with a total record of 5-6 (counting the previous year's bowl game), with 3 Power Conference wins, and then your replacement is much worse the next year and keeps his job, gets back to your level in year 2 and keeps his job. I know some will argue that when you look deeper, Lebby's 7-17 (1-15) is not actually as bad Arnett's 5-6 (1-6) and we have debated that endlessly here, but you Arnett himself isn't going to agree with that position. I just don't see any way that some level of personal feelings about his job and his replacement don't come into play here.

2. If Lebby gets fired mid-year, does this mean Arnett is the interim head coach? Are the rogue boosters who put Arnett into the HC job in the first place hoping for that? Or is it the opposite - did pro-Lebby boosters target Arnett as insurance against a mid-season firing?

[BankerDog]

I mean after Arnett left, Golding?s defense didn?t look exactly ?great? this year. You had Ole Miss fans wanting him back.

Look at some point you have to realize we now paired the hot up and comer OC that?s now our HC with the former hot and up comer DC that LSU wanted. Arnett didn?t wanna be a HC and that compounded with a select group of overreaching boosters who wanted their buds in charge. Surround him with some guys who can recruit and bring in talent this may be a helluva story. Save the money on the coach and get the jimmies and joes.

[CadaverDawg]

We just brought back the guy that got us into this mess. When he was fired he lost the entire team. He lied to our players multiple times and painting him as some sort of victim is wrong- he wanted the job. And then he was terrible at it. We wanted a good recruiter at DC and Arnett is not that either. Blame Emerick, Dudek whoever you want but guess what? It got worse when he left.

So is Golding the one that's to blame if Ole Miss goes south? I mean, Todd, you're in your feels...but the death of Leach got us in this. Arnett contributed but he was not HC material...our folks are to blame for hiring him, you can't blame Arnett for taking a HC job and millions. Should he have said "nah, I'm good"? Come on man. You're taking a personal thing and trying to smear someone over it. You have a personal thing, fine...but the other stuff is not on him.
That's like if someone asks me to be POTUS, I'm taking it....may not be in good shape after 4 years, but I'm taking it. Don't blame me if the country makes that dumb decision though.

[Coursesuper]

You are misremembering. We were #1 in the SEC in time of possession in 2021 under Leach. We didn?t run tempo. We burned the clock.

I believe it was called the airbone by some. And it damn sure held on to the football.

[CadaverDawg]

Should be personal to all of us. Say whatever you want to cope. This is a bad hire and a bad day for Mississippi State football.

I don't have to cope. A statue is better than Hutzler. This is a win, period. You're coping

[msstate7]

You are misremembering. We were #1 in the SEC in time of possession in 2021 under Leach. We didn?t run tempo. We burned the clock.

FEI def...
2020 - 31st
2021 - 34th
2022 - 11th

That's very solid.

[Coursesuper]

I mean after Arnett left, Golding?s defense didn?t look exactly ?great? this year. You had Ole Miss fans wanting him back.

Look at some point you have to realize we now paired the hot up and comer OC that?s now our HC with the former hot and up comer DC that LSU wanted. Arnett didn?t wanna be a HC and that compounded with a select group of overreaching boosters who wanted their buds in charge. Surround him with some guys who can recruit and bring in talent this may be a helluva story. Save the money on the coach and get the jimmies and joes.

Exactly, we need dudes, going to have to overpay but that is the world we live in. Let’s go.

[BankerDog]

You guys are mad at the wrong people and I?ll just leave it at that. But I?ll point you in the right direction-President of our university.

And all those years of neglecting the football program to better the baseball program and women?s sports and taking money from the athletic program to fund academics, all lead back to one man. It gets compounded when you have a good ole boy network from North Mississippi and Madison who always want ?their guys? on staff.

[mo7888]

Eh... I don't love it, but i don't hate it either... he was a horrible HC, but a fairly good DC. The talent he had to work with wasn't optimal, but ML controlled the TOP pretty well. As with most things, if we ball out in the portal he'll look great and if we don't they'll be gone this time next year...

[BankerDog]

Exactly, we need dudes, going to have to overpay but that is the world we live in. Let’s go.

Our fans have champagne taste on natty light budgets. Always have been and always will. Would rather win ?doing it right? than doing what every one else would. But hey, we have a baseball program with one national championship and a $60MM stadium that loses $4MM every year. Meanwhile our football program, in a bad year, still makes money and we don?t have nearly as many as off field analysts as f?in Vanderbilt.

[STATEBALLIN]

Who is better that would be a viable option to take the job?

[Jarius]

Good solid hire. We have some people who are mad but they are not mad about the level of product he is going to put out on defense, which is all I care about. He?s going to field a product that produces and that is what we need. When we field a top 50 defense next year paired with Lebby?s offense with KT, no one will be complaining. And if they are they will be proving they care more about a ghost than the program.

[Coursesuper]

Our fans have champagne taste on natty light budgets. Always have been and always will. Would rather win ?doing it right? than doing what every one else would. But hey, we have a baseball program with one national championship and a $60MM stadium that loses $4MM every year. Meanwhile our football program, in a bad year, still makes money and we don?t have nearly as many as off field analysts as f?in Vanderbilt.

Yup, no clue what we really are.

[CadaverDawg]

Eh... I don't love it, but i don't hate it either... he was a horrible HC, but a fairly good DC. The talent he had to work with wasn't optimal, but ML controlled the TOP pretty well. As with most things, if we ball out in the portal he'll look great and if we don't they'll be gone this time next year...

Yep. We don't have to love it, but it's far better than Hutzler...and considering Lebby's future isn't on solid ground, we weren't in a position of strength on new DC's.

He was good enough for us to hire him as DC, succeed, hire him again as HC, fail...then still he hired by Ole Miss, succeed, and be hired by Mullen, failed off the field...and now rehired by us as DC. The guy has succeeded more than he's failed as a DC by a long shot. This may not be as big of a win as some wanted (since delusional state fans thought we could get Durkin), but it's a win and an upgrade over the prior year. We took a step forward today firing Hutzler, and two steps forward hiring Arnett. Love it or hate it, it's true.

Now if it doesn't work, it doesn't matter bc we'll be getting a new HC anyway and Arnett will be gone too

[CadaverDawg]

Good solid hire. We have some people who are mad but they are not mad about the level of product he is going to put out on defense, which is all I care about. He?s going to field a product that produces and that is what we need. When we field a top 50 defense next year paired with Lebby?s offense with KT, no one will be complaining. And if they are they will be proving they care more about a ghost than the program.

Amen

[STATEBALLIN]

Our fans have champagne taste on natty light budgets. Always have been and always will. Would rather win ?doing it right? than doing what every one else would. But hey, we have a baseball program with one national championship and a $60MM stadium that loses $4MM every year. Meanwhile our football program, in a bad year, still makes money and we don?t have nearly as many as off field analysts as f?in Vanderbilt.

That sht pisses me off so much. MS baseball is great and all, but football is the prized commodity. Its insane to me we starve it. It?s like mining past gold to get copper.

[mo7888]

Yep. We don't have to love it, but it's far better than Hutzler...and considering Lebby's future isn't on solid ground, we weren't in a position of strength on new DC's.

He was good enough for us to hire him as DC, succeed, hire him again as HC, fail...then still he hired by Ole Miss, succeed, and be hired by Mullen, failed off the field...and now rehired by us as DC. The guy has succeeded more than he's failed as a DC by a long shot. This may not be as big of a win as some wanted (since delusional state fans thought we could get Durkin), but it's a win and an upgrade over the prior year. We took a step forward today firing Hutzler, and two steps forward hiring Arnett. Love it or hate it, it's true.

Now if it doesn't work, it doesn't matter bc we'll be getting a new HC anyway and Arnett will be gone too

What was the off the field failure with Mullen about?

[Todd4State]

So is Golding the one that's to blame if Ole Miss goes south? I mean, Todd, you're in your feels...but the death of Leach got us in this. Arnett contributed but he was not HC material...our folks are to blame for hiring him, you can't blame Arnett for taking a HC job and millions. Should he have said "nah, I'm good"? Come on man. You're taking a personal thing and trying to smear someone over it. You have a personal thing, fine...but the other stuff is not on him.
That's like if someone asks me to be POTUS, I'm taking it....may not be in good shape after 4 years, but I'm taking it. Don't blame me if the country makes that dumb decision though.

Ole Miss's situation is separate from ours. I don't know how that is going to play out yet. If it doesn't work it's on their AD. We'll see if Golding lies to their players and can't recruit.

[Brobi-wan]

That sht pisses me off so much. MS baseball is great and all, but football is the prized commodity. Its insane to me we starve it. It?s like mining past gold to get copper.

AMEN

[CadaverDawg]

What was the off the field failure with Mullen about?

There hasn't been much "official" about it, but tons of people that claim they know and lots of rumors. But he got picked up by Florida State immediately so it must not have had Career suicide status.

I'm starting to think he literally robbed Todd4State's house and urinated in his morning Cheerios before vacating the premises. *

[Todd4State]

Oh! We're so poor and so bad we could only hire Arnett. Just save that bullshit.

This is another example of MSU making a divisive hire that splits the fan base and they're going to look around and wonder why no one supports the program and be completely shocked when Arnett can't recruit and loses games because he zero blitzes at the wrong time.

But now they can't blame it on Leach's offense or his shitty recruiting on Emerick and Dudek.

[CadaverDawg]

Oh! We're so poor and so bad we could only hire Arnett. Just save that bullshit.

This is another example of MSU making a divisive hire that splits the fan base and they're going to look around and wonder why no one supports the program and be completely shocked when Arnett can't recruit and loses games because he zero blitzes at the wrong time.

But now they can't blame it on Leach's offense or his shitty recruiting on Emerick and Dudek.

So far the split seems to be between the fan base and you. Everyone's not freaking out...you are

[Maroon Glasses]

Yep. We don't have to love it, but it's far better than Hutzler...and considering Lebby's future isn't on solid ground, we weren't in a position of strength on new DC's.

He was good enough for us to hire him as DC, succeed, hire him again as HC, fail...then still he hired by Ole Miss, succeed, and be hired by Mullen, failed off the field...and now rehired by us as DC. The guy has succeeded more than he's failed as a DC by a long shot. This may not be as big of a win as some wanted (since delusional state fans thought we could get Durkin), but it's a win and an upgrade over the prior year. We took a step forward today firing Hutzler, and two steps forward hiring Arnett. Love it or hate it, it's true.

Now if it doesn't work, it doesn't matter bc we'll be getting a new HC anyway and Arnett will be gone too

And ultimately succeeding is the only thing we should be aiming for. I'm all for Arnett. I think he is a solid DC and solid hire. I'm to that point where I don't care who it is and what they have done as long as they produce a solid product on the field and we win. Arnett has proven he is a good DC. I hate the whole HC debacle and all that shit, but it's not gonna blur my vision into thinking he isn't a good hire. I'm not "in the know" when it comes to insider information but I never figured the big names DC would come unless we dropped big, big money for them. An upgrade is an upgrade and we got a big one.

Him paired with Lebby could be legit. Go spend some money on some dudes with speed at the linebacker and D line position and let Arnett blitz the hell out of teams. Gotta have some stud CB for sure tho.

[HoopsDawg]

Oh! We're so poor and so bad we could only hire Arnett. Just save that bullshit.

This is another example of MSU making a divisive hire that splits the fan base and they're going to look around and wonder why no one supports the program and be completely shocked when Arnett can't recruit and loses games because he zero blitzes at the wrong time.

But now they can't blame it on Leach's offense or his shitty recruiting on Emerick and Dudek.

I understand all sides on this hire. But one thing we can all agree on is this is a Mississippi State hire if there ever was one.

[Cowbell]

Spot on man. The vision is just cloudy right now because of how the situation ended, but he is a good DC. Would I have liked some of the other candidates that was thrown around? Absolutely. Who wouldn't? But I'm happy with Arnett. His defensive numbers speak for itself.

Thanks for saying this. There's a part of me at the end of all this that is bigger than football. It is why I want Lebby to work out because he's passionate and seems like a legit good dude. Would love to see Arnett get things straightened back out for himself as well.

[DownwardDawg]

So far the split seems to be between the fan base and you. Everyone's not freaking out...you are

I really like Todd as a poster, but I'm afraid him and KB are about to absolutely melt. Like every thread again. Imagine when we give up a TD first game next season. Prepare yourself

[RisperDawg]

So is Golding the one that's to blame if Ole Miss goes south? I mean, Todd, you're in your feels...but the death of Leach got us in this. Arnett contributed but he was not HC material...our folks are to blame for hiring him, you can't blame Arnett for taking a HC job and millions. Should he have said "nah, I'm good"? Come on man. You're taking a personal thing and trying to smear someone over it. You have a personal thing, fine...but the other stuff is not on him.
That's like if someone asks me to be POTUS, I'm taking it....may not be in good shape after 4 years, but I'm taking it. Don't blame me if the country makes that dumb decision though.

Regarding whether he should've taken our HC job or not, I'd add, what would've happened to him if he didn't?

Another HC may not have kept him as DC. Even if they had, their working relationship might've been bad. I know I have taken a work role that i really didn't want before simply because I was worried about who would take the role if I didn't.

All that to say, I have my doubts about the hire from a history standpoint. However, if all parties think this arrangement can work, I'm all for the likely improvement on the field.

[Tater]

This shouldn't split the fanbase. Everyone I talked to has had the following thought train:

- What the ****?
- Well... his defenses were pretty good for us...
- I guess the Wendeez thing isn't true... hopefully.
- If we fail this year then there's no reason to keep Lebby
- Get a DLine that can pressure well from the portal and we can be good.
- 30+ on offense and 25 or less on defense is a winning strategy...
- But seriously we all agree this is a swing for the fence play by Lebby
- Also this is kinda softening the blow when this fails and Dan comes back next year I guess

[Cowbeller]

Dont want to see anyone complain anymore that we cant spin things as good as the confederates anymore. Putting record levels of window dressing today

[Todd4State]

I really like Todd as a poster, but I'm afraid him and KB are about to absolutely melt. Like every thread again. Imagine when we give up a TD first game next season. Prepare yourself

I went easy on people during the Arnett head coaching era.

[Todd4State]

I understand all sides on this hire. But one thing we can all agree on is this is a Mississippi State hire if there ever was one.

Feel free to fill me either here or via PM.

[Todd4State]

This shouldn't split the fanbase. Everyone I talked to has had the following thought train:

- What the ****?
- Well... his defenses were pretty good for us...
- I guess the Wendeez thing isn't true... hopefully.
- If we fail this year then there's no reason to keep Lebby
- Get a DLine that can pressure well from the portal and we can be good.
- 30+ on offense and 25 or less on defense is a winning strategy...
- But seriously we all agree this is a swing for the fence play by Lebby
- Also this is kinda softening the blow when this fails and Dan comes back next year I guess

So yeah. People are coping with this.

And we all know Dan is coming back for 2027.

[Brobi-wan]

This shouldn't split the fanbase. Everyone I talked to has had the following thought train:

- What the ****?
- Well... his defenses were pretty good for us...
- I guess the Wendeez thing isn't true... hopefully.
- If we fail this year then there's no reason to keep Lebby
- Get a DLine that can pressure well from the portal and we can be good.
- 30+ on offense and 25 or less on defense is a winning strategy...
- But seriously we all agree this is a swing for the fence play by Lebby
- Also this is kinda softening the blow when this fails and Dan comes back next year I guess

If this doesn’t work, 17 Lebby

[Todd4State]

If this doesn’t work, 17 Lebby

100%

[Quaoarsking]

If beating up your girlfriend, leaving bruises and bitemarks all over her arms, etc., doesn't stop someone from getting another job, and buying prostitutes for underage high schoolers doesn't stop someone from getting another job, I don't see why indecent exposure would stop it.

[EdwardDrayton]

If beating up your girlfriend, leaving bruises and bitemarks all over her arms, etc., doesn't stop someone from getting another job, and buying prostitutes for underage high schoolers doesn't stop someone from getting another job, I don't see why indecent exposure would stop it.

LOL!!! <slow clap>

[Cowbeller]

If beating up your girlfriend, leaving bruises and bitemarks all over her arms, etc., doesn't stop someone from getting another job, and buying prostitutes for underage high schoolers doesn't stop someone from getting another job, I don't see why indecent exposure would stop it.

Who among us hasnt gone through a drive thru drunk with our pants off. Youre right it could be way worse

[LC Dawg]

We just hired a DC with SEC head coaching experience. Shows we're serious about football.**
It may work out but it feels like a lazy hire. I guess most anything is better than Hutzler.

[DownwardDawg]

If beating up your girlfriend, leaving bruises and bitemarks all over her arms, etc., doesn't stop someone from getting another job, and buying prostitutes for underage high schoolers doesn't stop someone from getting another job, I don't see why indecent exposure would stop it.

Wait.....who beat up their girlfriend??? I missed that one I guess.

[Coursesuper]

Who among us hasnt gone through a drive thru drunk with our pants off. Youre right it could be way worse

Well back in the day, don’t take a piss outside at the landing on bid night. That’s gets you an indecent exposure charge also.

[Activated Alpha]

Well there is a good thing that has come out of this guys. At least we won?t be hearing from Bucky anytime soon*****

[Quaoarsking]

Wait.....who beat up their girlfriend??? I missed that one I guess.

Chris Beard, and 3 months later he was hired as head basketball coach by Ole Miss.

[CaptainObvious]

Has Brock?s position been announced? How do we know this isn?t a co-DC deal and both have to also coach a position hmmm.

[Turfdawg67]

Dont want to see anyone complain anymore that we cant spin things as good as the confederates anymore. Putting record levels of window dressing today

Spot on. ^^^

Shining the shit out of this turd. Here's the best one… A statue would be better than our previous DC so this is an upgrade. Holy 17!

[CaptainObvious]

I have no doubt it is a significant upgrade. But we were expecting a HR hire for some crazy reason and we got a double!

[Tater]

Chris Beard, and 3 months later he was hired as head basketball coach by Ole Miss.

Correction. It was his wife.

[Tater]

I have no doubt it is a significant upgrade. But we were expecting a HR hire for some crazy reason and we got a double!

I think it's an RBI double though.

[Tripp McNeely]

Correction. It was his wife.

And it was actually almost choking her to death vs beating her up.

[Tater]

If this doesn’t work, 17 Lebby

I mean yea. But if it does work it could be great.

[Todd4State]

Spot on. ^^^

Shining the shit out of this turd. Here's the best one… A statue would be better than our previous DC so this is an upgrade. Holy 17!

We can't hire anyone else! As we hire UConn's DC to be our ST coach.

[DownwardDawg]

Chris Beard, and 3 months later he was hired as head basketball coach by Ole Miss.

I had no idea. Thanks!

[Thick]

We had better upgrade fast on the back end to run that defense. They are all on an island a lot. And we better get some men up front quick.

This STAT!!

[Todd4State]

This STAT!!

Oh yeah. We're keeping Corey Bell as the cherry on top.

[RezDog7]

He was part of it. He had a chance to do the right thing. He didn't. Arnett should not come back. He's an awful human being. He isn't even that good of a coach and he can't recruit.

This is a horrible decision by Lebby.

At some point, you will have to come to grips with the fact that msu did not fire Leach and Arnett did not hire himself. It's really a sad look.

[Todd4State]

At some point, you will have to come to grips with the fact that msu did not fire Leach and Arnett did not hire himself. It's really a sad look.

It is a sad look. For MSU football.

[mparkerfd20]

Todd isn't alone. I'm adamantly against this hire too. Just not as vocal. Can it work? Maybe. I'm at least hopeful, but giddy and excited this dipshit is back? **** no!

[archdog]

Underwhelming but better than Hutzler by miles.

Which means in some crazy what if scenario if we had kept Arnett as DC when Lebby came we would probably be 8-4 this year. Arnett is a legit DC.

Disagree. This is not underwhelming. Arnett is a damn good DC. We would be 8-4 or 9-3 with him this year.

[Bothrops]

My only fear is Arnett has been out of the trenches for a couple of years. What will his intensity be like...

[TrapGame]

Disagree. This is not underwhelming. Arnett is a damn good DC. We would be 8-4 or 9-3 with him this year.

No, it is underwhelming bc guys like Pry and Wilcox were in the mix. But, yes, Arnett is good DC. I do not hate it. That is KB and Todd.

[Dawgology]

Just keep him out of the local Wendys

[Coach34]

Arnett is a damn good DC. We would be 8-4 or 9-3 with him this year.

No we wouldnt. We didnt have the dudes on defense.

Arnett has proven he is a solid DC. This hire will be decided in the portal. It's as simple as that

[Biguglyjoe]

"Zach is one of the brightest defensive coaches in all of college football," Leach said in a statement. "Having been mentored by Rocky Long during his successful time at San Diego State, Zach understands what it takes to build and run an elite defense."

[Quaoarsking]

I'll also say that I think this is an extremely questionable hire. I just don't think that it's ever a good idea to rehire a guy who was previously fired to come back and work for the guy who replaced him, at least not just 2 years later, and definitely not when the guy has had some ... mental health struggles? in the interim period.

However, I've already given up on Lebby as a head coach for us, so it's just confirming my prior opinion that he's in over his head.

[Coach34]

hearing we working to get Jett Johnson and McPhee back on staff also

[confucius say]

hearing we working to get Jett Johnson and McPhee back on staff also

Jett was with Brock so I thought that would be coming

[confucius say]

No we wouldnt. We didnt have the dudes on defense.

Arnett has proven he is a solid DC. This hire will be decided in the portal. It's as simple as that

Yep. And that's really the case for any competent DC we hire.

[Turfdawg67]

Todd isn't alone. I'm adamantly against this hire too. Just not as vocal. Can it work? Maybe. I'm at least hopeful, but giddy and excited this dipshit is back? **** no!

This is where I am. I'm actually coming around to it, but that's probably just acceptance. My mistake was getting caught up in the exciting names that were on our "list". I'm glad we way overpaid for BOC, or we'd probably be looking at the head coach from Eastern Illinois.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You have to separate Arnett the DC from Arnett the HC.

Arnett the HC was a god awful HC and in so far over his head it was not funny.

Arnett the DC was very good and did a whole lot with a lot of nothing.

[KB21]

You have to separate Arnett the DC from Arnett the HC.

Arnett the HC was a god awful HC and in so far over his head it was not funny.

Arnett the DC was very good and did a whole lot with a lot of nothing.

He didn't have "a lot of nothing". He had Martin Emerson, Emmanuel Forbes, and Decamerion Richardson at CB. He had Erroll Thompson, Jett Johnson, and Bookie Watson at LB. He had Jaden Crumedy, Cameron Young, Marquis Spencer, Tyrus Wheat, Randy Charlton up front. Of those, Randy Charlton was the only one that got recruited by that staff. Everyone else was inherited.

[Brobi-wan]

I'll also say that I think this is an extremely questionable hire. I just don't think that it's ever a good idea to rehire a guy who was previously fired to come back and work for the guy who replaced him, at least not just 2 years later, and definitely not when the guy has had some ... mental health struggles? in the interim period.

However, I've already given up on Lebby as a head coach for us, so it's just confirming my prior opinion that he's in over his head.

Who in their right mind would want to work under their ex wife’s new husband

[Really Clark?]

Who in their right mind would want to work under their ex wife’s new husband

I mean is he paying me a lot of money? Do I get to see his miserable face everyday having to deal with the crazy heifer instead of me? Where's the downside? Lol

[Todd4State]

You have to separate Arnett the DC from Arnett the HC.

Arnett the HC was a god awful HC and in so far over his head it was not funny.

Arnett the DC was very good and did a whole lot with a lot of nothing.

Lebby better hope his staff works the same time as Arnett's so Arnett the coach won't backstab him.

[bulldawg28]

Great hire!!!

[DawgFromOxford]

1. This hire sucks and feels like classic MSU WHEN COMPARED to the names that were floated out there earlier this week.
2. Arnett had good defenses when he was here so IF he can rekindle that it?s a great hire
3. I don?t hate it as long as we got a decent deal on his contract to pay for more staff. If we paid premium dollars for Arnett then Lebby will be gone at the end of the year because it shows he has no clue how to run a program
4. Lebby knows it?s do or die this season so if he wants to place that responsibility on Arnett then I?ll get on board too

[Maroon Glasses]

Lebby better hope his staff works the same time as Arnett's so Arnett the coach won't backstab him.

I wonder if Lebby said "Hey I want Arnett" or of he was told "Hey Arnett is your DC."

Kinda seem like it would be the latter. I'm okay with Arnett. But unless Lebby knows it isn't a do or die year and if we really had 2.5 mill to spend on a DC why would Lebby choose Arnett? Especially considering it might be a little odd and uncomfortable considering what happened.

I feel like he was told "Arnett is your guy. We save x amount of money and that can be used to buy playmakers." Which isn't the worse thing in the world.

[HoopsDawg]

I'll also say that I think this is an extremely questionable hire. I just don't think that it's ever a good idea to rehire a guy who was previously fired to come back and work for the guy who replaced him, at least not just 2 years later, and definitely not when the guy has had some ... mental health struggles? in the interim period.

However, I've already given up on Lebby as a head coach for us, so it's just confirming my prior opinion that he's in over his head.

You hate the hire? Whew, im feeling a lot better about it then.

[msstate7]

You hate the hire? Whew, im feeling a lot better about it then.

Not so fast my friend... I love it! Dilemma, dilemma

[msudawg1200]

1. This hire sucks and feels like classic MSU WHEN COMPARED to the names that were floated out there earlier this week.
2. Arnett had good defenses when he was here so IF he can rekindle that it?s a great hire
3. I don?t hate it as long as we got a decent deal on his contract to pay for more staff. If we paid premium dollars for Arnett then Lebby will be gone at the end of the year because it shows he has no clue how to run a program
4. Lebby knows it?s do or die this season so if he wants to place that responsibility on Arnett then I?ll get on board too

On point #1. Did you really think Durkin, Pry, Armstrong, or Wilcox were going to uproot their families to hitch their wagon to a coach who is going to be on the hot seat going into next year? I knew none of those guys were coming. We got rid of the worst DC in MSU history and hired a guy who has been a successful DC. I'm not pissed.

[Todd4State]

I wonder if Lebby said "Hey I want Arnett" or of he was told "Hey Arnett is your DC."

Kinda seem like it would be the latter. I'm okay with Arnett. But unless Lebby knows it isn't a do or die year and if we really had 2.5 mill to spend on a DC why would Lebby choose Arnett? Especially considering it might be a little odd and uncomfortable considering what happened.

I feel like he was told "Arnett is your guy. We save x amount of money and that can be used to buy playmakers." Which isn't the worse thing in the world.

Not sure how this played out yet.

However it did play out it's a tone deaf move by MSU and Selmon should have stepped in. I'm surprised that Keenum isn't stepping in.

[Todd4State]

On point #1. Did you really think Durkin, Pry, Armstrong, or Wilcox were going to uproot their families to hitch their wagon to a coach who is going to be on the hot seat going into next year? I knew none of those guys were coming. We got rid of the worst DC in MSU history and hired a guy who has been a successful DC. I'm not pissed.

We clearly could have gotten Matt Brock though.

And that would have been a lot less divisive.

[TrapGame]

Not so fast my friend... I love it! Dilemma, dilemma

We agree on something 7.

This is not a bad hire at all. In fact, it's a better hire than Armstrong.

[msudawg1200]

We agree on something 7.

This is not a bad hire at all. In fact, it's a better hire than Armstrong.

Yes it is

[msudawg1200]

We clearly could have gotten Matt Brock though.

And that would have been a lot less divisive.

Did we not?

[CadaverDawg]

You hate the hire? Whew, im feeling a lot better about it then.

Hahaha

[DownwardDawg]

Not so fast my friend... I love it! Dilemma, dilemma

Hahaha!!!!

[Todd4State]

Did we not?

We did and that's exactly my point.

[Brahmabull]

When Lebby was coaching at OM, didn?t his offenses have a difficult time with Arnett?s defenses? Maybe Lebby thinks a lot of Arnett?..

[DawgFromOxford]

On point #1. Did you really think Durkin, Pry, Armstrong, or Wilcox were going to uproot their families to hitch their wagon to a coach who is going to be on the hot seat going into next year? I knew none of those guys were coming. We got rid of the worst DC in MSU history and hired a guy who has been a successful DC. I'm not pissed.

That?s not the point. The point is we had other names floated out there with confidence and optimism (minus Durkin) for a week and then out of left field we bring a guy we fired (I get he was fired as a HC and not a DC but we fired him none the less).

[msstate7]

That?s not the point. The point is we had other names floated out there with confidence and optimism (minus Durkin) for a week and then out of left field we bring a guy we fired (I get he was fired as a HC and not a DC but we fired him none the less).

We wouldn't have fired him as a Dc. Had leach not died, arnett woulda most likely been poached by a bigger program or hired as a HC at a smaller program bc he was good

[Really Clark?]

We wouldn't have fired him as a Dc. Had leach not died, arnett woulda most likely been poached by a bigger program or hired as a HC at a smaller program bc he was good

LSU came after him hard as DC and he choose to stay here

[War Machine Dawg]

Ridiculous. This hire tells me everything I need to know. The coaching world views Lebby as a dead man walking. No DC worth a damn wants to be on the MSU Titanic with Cap?n Lebby. They all think he?s already hit the iceberg and are waiting for the ship to sink, not boarding rescue vessels. Every DC target we had passed, so we had to bring back Arnett. Hell, we might as well have kept Hutz. We?re screwed.

[Cowbeller]

LSU came after him hard as DC and he choose to stay here

I forgot about that. Actually goes a long way for me, enough to forgive a naked drive thru visit. But the actions after and the lies pull me back into the red.

If he doesn’t have a top 6 D next year this was disastrous.

[msstate7]

I mean who here hasn't rode thru a drive thru naked? Glass houses









lol

[CadaverDawg]

Ridiculous. This hire tells me everything I need to know. The coaching world views Lebby as a dead man walking. No DC worth a damn wants to be on the MSU Titanic with Cap?n Lebby. They all think he?s already hit the iceberg and are waiting for the ship to sink, not boarding rescue vessels. Every DC target we had passed, so we had to bring back Arnett. Hell, we might as well have kept Hutz. We?re screwed.

Hahaha you guys kill me

[EdwardDrayton]

I mean who here hasn't rode thru a drive thru naked? Glass houses









lol

We've all done things. But I've never known ANYONE with that on their transgression resume.

[CadaverDawg]

We've all done things. But I've never know ANYONE with that on their transgression resume.

I'm riding through Wendy's naked as we speak just to piss off you and Todd

[Todd4State]

I'm riding through Wendy's naked as we speak just to piss off you and Todd

Be my guest. I hope you get served by RuPaul.

[EdwardDrayton]

I'm riding through Wendy's naked as we speak just to piss off you and Todd

My passion for college sports was already ebbing so I really don't care. It does amuse me knowing that none of us could explain that away for a hire in a corporate environment.

[DownwardDawg]

Be my guest. I hope you get served by RuPaul.

Hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[KB21]

Joe Moorhead did less damage to the program than Zach Arnett did, and he?s seen as a pariah to Mississippi State. Yet we welcome Arnett back with open arms.

[msstate7]

Joe Moorhead did less damage to the program than Zach Arnett did, and he?s seen as a pariah to Mississippi State. Yet we welcome Arnett back with open arms.

Most people can realize when leach died, it was was a terrible situation with no good answers bc of timing. Zach sucked, but he was kinda forced into a situation he wasn't ready for. Had leach not died, ZA woulda just kept fielding good defenses.

[KB21]

Most people can realize when leach died, it was was a terrible situation with no good answers bc of timing. Zach sucked, but he was kinda forced into a situation he wasn't ready for. Had leach not died, ZA woulda just kept fielding good defenses.

A terrible situation that didn?t have to be as bad as it was, but because of Arnett, it was that bad.

[Rawdawg]

Ding ding ding. It?s about players and more players.

[Quaoarsking]

Arnett promising Rogers that we'd still run the Air Raid so he would stay, and then not running the Air Raid, was pretty bad.

[EdwardDrayton]

Arnett promising Rogers that we'd still run the Air Raid so he would stay, and then not running the Air Raid, was pretty bad.

We just need Tommy Lee to hit us State fans with the flashy thing.

[Coursesuper]

I'm riding through Wendy's naked as we speak just to piss off you and Todd

Outstanding

[msstate7]

A terrible situation that didn?t have to be as bad as it was, but because of Arnett, it was that bad.

So how have the potential OC replacements on staff then panned out? At some point, you're gonna realize leach is probably the only guy ever that can win with shit talent

[EdwardDrayton]

Outstanding

No one is surprised Cadaver did this.

[KB21]

So how have the potential OC replacements on staff then panned out? At some point, you're gonna realize leach is probably the only guy ever that can win with shit talent

They would have done better than Barbay. That?s for sure. However, it didn?t have to be an internal hire. The Air Raid is a wide spread system in college. There were a number of coordinators that they could have offered the job to.

[Coursesuper]

This 17ing thread needs a Mydol.

[TrapGame]

This 17ing thread needs a Mydol.

LOL!

And some Vagisil.

[DownwardDawg]

This 17ing thread needs a Mydol.

Hahaha!!! It has made my day!!!!

This week has been so awesome!! The ole miss fans complete meltdown. Then the guys at work that just hate LSU....they can't stop crying about the Kiffin situation. Now our fans melting about Zach!! This has been a freakin awesome week of entertainment for me!!!!

Not to mention the Bama fans out here crying today, then the LSU fans crying when they realize a 3 loss Bama team is still making the playoffs. It's Christmas come early!!!

[Cowbell]

They would have done better than Barbay. That?s for sure. However, it didn?t have to be an internal hire. The Air Raid is a wide spread system in college. There were a number of coordinators that they could have offered the job to.

He did offer it to others and they wouldn't take it. Nobody wanted to follow leach up

[Todd4State]

He did offer it to others and they wouldn't take it. Nobody wanted to follow leach up

Kind of hard to bring in an OC when the boosters friends have taken up almost all of the available spots.

[Turfdawg67]

We just need Tommy Lee to hit us State fans with the flashy thing.

I saw the Tommy Lee/Pam Anderson video. What "flashy thing" are we talking about and why do you want him to hit us with it?!?***

[KB21]

He did offer it to others and they wouldn't take it. Nobody wanted to follow leach up

Arnett didn't pursue a single Air Raid coordinator in that cycle.

[Thick]

How much does an air raid help the defense? If you?re not moving the ball, the clock stops after an incomplete pass, you are no huddle, and/or you go 3 and out?..then your defense has to be prepared to take more snaps then most defenses every game throughout the season. I would give ZA the benefit of saying that he wanted an offense that didn?t strain his defense game in and game out. That in itself can create more injuries, plus you better have good depth too.

[KB21]

How much does an air raid help the defense? If you?re not moving the ball, the clock stops after an incomplete pass, you are no huddle, and/or you go 3 and out?..then your defense has to be prepared to take more snaps then most defenses every game throughout the season. I would give ZA the benefit of saying that he wanted an offense that didn?t strain his defense game in and game out. That in itself can create more injuries, plus you better have good depth too.

So, he preferred an offense to average 21 PPG rather than 32 PPG?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Arnett didn't pursue a single Air Raid coordinator in that cycle.

He did not. That is on him. But we are not hiring him to be the HC. I think most know my thoughts on Arnett and I am not changing them. I think he damaged our program with his inability to make a decision and roll with it. He took advice from people who were self serving and he paid for it. I think the only thing that was his idea was that he wanted to change the offense.He very obviously wanted to run the more Dan Mullen style offense that needs a different type of QB. And we can talk in circles about that over and over and over again. It will not change a thing and it has no bearing on his job as DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR.

Arnett has a DC is a good coordinator. Not great, but a lot better than what we had.

[KB21]

He did not. That is on him. But we are not hiring him to be the HC. I think most know my thoughts on Arnett and I am not changing them. I think he damaged our program with his inability to make a decision and roll with it. He took advice from people who were self serving and he paid for it. I think the only thing that was his idea was that he wanted to change the offense.He very obviously wanted to run the more Dan Mullen style offense that needs a different type of QB. And we can talk in circles about that over and over and over again. It will not change a thing and it has no bearing on his job as DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR.

Arnett has a DC is a good coordinator. Not great, but a lot better than what we had.

I get the fact that he was a good coordinator at one time, but he also did a lot of damage to the program. Yet, we are welcoming him back because he's not Coleman Hutzler?

Part of being a good coordinator is making sure your staff is developing the younger players on the roster so that they will be able to step in when your starters graduate. He did not do that. His recruiting is questionable at best, and it's clear that the guys who had been here under him weren't ready to play when they had to step into starting roles.

[Bdawg]

On point #1. Did you really think Durkin, Pry, Armstrong, or Wilcox were going to uproot their families to hitch their wagon to a coach who is going to be on the hot seat going into next year? I knew none of those guys were coming. We got rid of the worst DC in MSU history and hired a guy who has been a successful DC. I'm not pissed.

I?m late to the party, but did all of those guys say no first before we went to Arnett? If so, then I think it?s a solid hire under the circumstances.

[Bdawg]

I mean who here hasn't rode thru a drive thru naked? Glass houses









lol

There are much much worse things that have gone on in the coaching world.

[EdwardDrayton]

I saw the Tommy Lee/Pam Anderson video. What "flashy thing" are we talking about and why do you want him to hit us with it?!?***

Ha! There's a flashback! LOL!!

[memsu06]

Roll back the clock to when we were forced to hire Arnett after Leach unexpectedly passes. Who would we have gone after that late in the year? We didn't even have an AD at the time. Our only real option at the time was to put Arnett in charge and see how he did. Now what transpired out of that was him needing help because he was over his head and listening to our dumbass boosters that influenced decisions.

Arnett as a DC was good and if Mike Leach liked him then that's good enough for me.

Get some recruits on the OL and DL first and see how we do.

[Jarius]

I get the fact that he was a good coordinator at one time, but he also did a lot of damage to the program. Yet, we are welcoming him back because he's not Coleman Hutzler?

Part of being a good coordinator is making sure your staff is developing the younger players on the roster so that they will be able to step in when your starters graduate. He did not do that. His recruiting is questionable at best, and it's clear that the guys who had been here under him weren't ready to play when they had to step into starting roles.

Coordinators are generally not known to be good recruiters. Lebby needs to ensure that he surrounds Arnett with a solid defensive recruiting staff around him. Bell coming back should be a non starter and I have no idea why they would do something that stupid. I know they talk like it may keep Kelley Jones from leaving but I don't see any way he doesn't go to the NFL anyway.

[BuckyIsAB****]

How much does an air raid help the defense? If you?re not moving the ball, the clock stops after an incomplete pass, you are no huddle, and/or you go 3 and out?..then your defense has to be prepared to take more snaps then most defenses every game throughout the season. I would give ZA the benefit of saying that he wanted an offense that didn?t strain his defense game in and game out. That in itself can create more injuries, plus you better have good depth too.

State was really good in TOP under Leach. It?s not like we went fast. Yall can say whatever you wanna say, but leach took over just about as big of a mess that Lebby did and he won more SEC games in a Covid year with 45 kids on the roster than frat bro has in 2 full years.

[Thick]

All I?m saying is that maybe ZA didn?t want an air raid offense. He was not ready to be a HC nor should we have put him into that position. Poor decision making was the reason he became our HC. I hope he succeeds as our DC, and there?s no need to run him down bc WE?..MSU hired him AGAIN!!!

[Really Clark?]

Kind of hard to bring in an OC when the boosters friends have taken up almost all of the available spots.

That's a little misremembering, we were deep into hiring Briles and who he wanted to bring with him when he leveraged it against Ark for a possible raise and then left for TCU. That's when we were scrambling and more influence happened.

[Really Clark?]

Arnett didn't pursue a single Air Raid coordinator in that cycle.

Spurrier was given an audition at the bowl game, if the offense actually looked competent he had a shot. Granted it was a long shot as many didn't think he is an OC. He proved that at Tulsa again.