Any DC Rumors?

[TrapGame]

It's awful quiet.

Does our administration understand what these highly professional, closed lip searches do to our rumormongering fanbase?! *****

[Really Clark?]

We will wait on Pry and Wilcox for a minute to see what they decide to do. We have good money to give a really good DC.

Austin Armstrong is in that next tier

[Leroy Jenkins]

How much consideration does a good DC give to the fact that Lebby will be coaching for his job next year?
I really want us to play defense again,

[KB21]

Armstrong would be a potentially great hire. When he was the DC at USM, he was considered to be one of the rising stars in coaching. He took the Florida job, maybe a bit too early in his career. I think Napier probably hurt Armstrong's stock as a coach some. He's now building himself back up with Willie Fritz at Houston. Armstrong has been a GA at Georgia and was DC at Florida, so he has the SEC experience that I feel like we need to win some of these recruiting battles in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Louisiana, and Texas. I might prefer him over the other two.

[CaptainObvious]

How much consideration does a good DC give to the fact that Lebby will be coaching for his job next year?
I really want us to play defense again,

Probably why we are looking at unemployed potential DCs. If a DC has a job, he probably ain?t coming to State. Maybe a G6 guy would risk it for the money.

[gtowndawg]

We will wait on Pry and Wilcox for a minute to see what they decide to do. We have good money to give a really good DC.

Austin Armstrong is in that next tier

So we are all on the same page we're talking about Brent Pry (fired VT head coach) and Justin Wilcox (fired Cal HC) correct? Both solid coaches with DC experience.

[Jarius]

Armstrong would be a potentially great hire. When he was the DC at USM, he was considered to be one of the rising stars in coaching. He took the Florida job, maybe a bit too early in his career. I think Napier probably hurt Armstrong's stock as a coach some. He's now building himself back up with Willie Fritz at Houston. Armstrong has been a GA at Georgia and was DC at Florida, so he has the SEC experience that I feel like we need to win some of these recruiting battles in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Louisiana, and Texas. I might prefer him over the other two.

I would love Armstrong.

[Coursesuper]

Armstrong would be a potentially great hire. When he was the DC at USM, he was considered to be one of the rising stars in coaching. He took the Florida job, maybe a bit too early in his career. I think Napier probably hurt Armstrong's stock as a coach some. He's now building himself back up with Willie Fritz at Houston. Armstrong has been a GA at Georgia and was DC at Florida, so he has the SEC experience that I feel like we need to win some of these recruiting battles in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Louisiana, and Texas. I might prefer him over the other two.

Armstrong would be a great fit here.

[Really Clark?]

So we are all on the same page we're talking about Brent Pry (fired VT head coach) and Justin Wilcox (fired Cal HC) correct? Both solid coaches with DC experience.

Correct

[Todd4State]

I like Armstrong. And now he has connections to Houston which should help in recruiting as well.

[TrapGame]

And Armstrong is up for the Broyles' Award too.

[confucius say]

Armstrong was hired by Saban briefly before going to Florida. Well thought of.
Florida didn't go well, but nothing went well in that program under Napier.

Armstrong has family here already in central MS, so he is familiar with the area.

[TrapGame]

Armstrong was hired by Saban briefly before going to Florida. Well thought of.
Florida didn't go well, but nothing went well in that program under Napier.

Armstrong has family here already in central MS, so he is familiar with the area.

And he has a top #40 defense at Houston while ours is a whopping #95.

Pry, Wilcox or Armstrong would be homerun hires.

[Coach34]

You can almost guarantee it will be a vet coach. Armstrong's age works against him but he does have some DC years under his belt altho only a few

[Coursesuper]

You can almost guarantee it will be a vet coach. Armstrong's age works against him but he does have some DC years under his belt altho only a few

It does make sense to hire an experienced guy. But we have to get better up front fast or it wont matter who we hire.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You can almost guarantee it will be a vet coach. Armstrong's age works against him but he does have some DC years under his belt altho only a few

A few big things Austin has working in his favor:

1. He has coached in this conference

2. He's called plays at 3 different stops

3. His defenses have been good and improved at every spot.

4. He has experience recruiting the Sun Belt area.

I do think we wait on Wilcox and Pry for a bit, but it won't be a long bit. If we can't lock one of those down, I think we'll pivot to Austin pretty quickly.

[KB21]

Ron Roberts to Arkansas. I doubt he was ever really a candidate for us, and if he was, he was down the list.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ron Roberts to Arkansas. I doubt he was ever really a candidate for us, and if he was, he was down the list.

That's a huge coup for Silverfield. Ole Miss thought they had him in the bag as late as Wednesday afternoon.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would expect some sort of announcement to break at some point in the next 48-72 hours regarding Hutzler not being retained. The tea leaves are kind of reading that he will be outright let go and not reassigned to STC.

[KB21]

I would expect some sort of announcement to break at some point in the next 48-72 hours regarding Hutzler not being retained. The tea leaves are kind of reading that he will be outright let go and not reassigned to STC.

Anything new on who they have lined up? I would imagine that they have their guy already when they announce or leak that Coleman has been terminated.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Anything new on who they have lined up? I would imagine that they have their guy already when they announce or leak that Coleman has been terminated.

I keep hearing the same names of Pry and Wilcox along with Austin Armstrong. If I had to handicap it at this time, it's probably

1. Wilcox
2. Pry
3. Armstrong


However, that's just kind of how I'm reading it. I could be completely off base. I do know the hire will not be Colin Hitschler, who some people are wanting for some weird reason.

[KB21]

I keep hearing the same names of Pry and Wilcox along with Austin Armstrong. If I had to handicap it at this time, it's probably

1. Wilcox
2. Pry
3. Armstrong


However, that's just kind of how I'm reading it. I could be completely off base. I do know the hire will not be Colin Hitschler, who some people are wanting for some weird reason.

Hah! I kind of wanted to see what the meltdown would be if they went from Coleman Hutzler to Colin Hitschler.

[TrapGame]

Hah! I kind of wanted to see what the meltdown would be if they went from Coleman Hutzler to Colin Hitschler.

We have our own people on local radio lambasting our admin for not going after Muschamp.

People listen to this and think "What are we doing? We should be going after Muschamp!"

Our morons on the radio do us ZERO favors.

[Coursesuper]

We have our own people on local radio lambasting our admin for not going after Muschamp.

People listen to this and think "What are we doing? We should be going after Muschamp!"

Our morons on the radio do us ZERO favors.

Exactly, zero favors.

[KB21]

We have our own people on local radio lambasting our admin for not going after Muschamp.

People listen to this and think "What are we doing? We should be going after Muschamp!"

Our morons on the radio do us ZERO favors.

Bo Bounds? Bo has no understanding of the fact that Will Muschamp is 100% happy not being a fulltime coach.

[TrapGame]

Bo Bounds? Bo has no understanding of the fact that Will Muschamp is 100% happy not being a fulltime coach.

Nope. His name rhymes with crawdad.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bo Bounds? Bo has no understanding of the fact that Will Muschamp is 100% happy not being a fulltime coach.

You could've just stopped at Bo has no understanding. He consistently has some of the worst takes I have ever heard. Which is weird, because Bo the person is actually a good dude who is knowledgeable. Bo Bounds the character though has gotten really stale and old. He's started steering way more into the character in the last 5-7 years and I don't ever listen anymore. I used to at least listen to the interviews but now he's gotten bad in those where he'll try to interject his hot takes into every conversation.

Also, just so everyone is clear.......WILL MUSCHAMP IS NOT COMING HERE. He is not going anywhere. He is happy showing up to the UGA complex whenever he pleases, collecting 6 figure yearly checks, and living the good life in the town he went to college in. We called him and gauged interest and that's as far as it ever went.

[KB21]

Nope. His name rhymes with crawdad.

Ah. I stopped listening to that one a while back.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Nope. His name rhymes with crawdad.

He's usually not too bad. But that is the inherent problem with fanboy media. They have no clue how things work because they are fanboys. And this is not a shot at Brian because I think he's definitely mellowed over the years, but he still reverts back to the fanboy from time to time. They think Mississippi State is God's gift to this universe and everyone should be crawling on broken glass to work in Starkville. They think the second we offer our job to someone they just jump at it. They also usually have no clue how football coaches operate. They think that they always are looking for the next big paycheck. They never seem to be able to comprehend that a guy like Muschamp, who has made 6.3 in a buyout from Florida and 13 mil from USCe, is just happy living in his college town making 6 figures a year and working about 20 hours a week.

And that's not just our fanboy media btw. That's most schools. These guys aren't making a whole lot of money so they believe that any time more money is offered you have to take it. There's guys like Liucci with TexAgs and Matt Jones with KSR that have been able to branch out and make some REAL money. Neal McCready has done it on a smaller scale but it's the same thing. You're not going to be able to convince a guy making 55K a year that the guy who makes 350K a year doesn't want the 2 mil a year job because he's happy. That doesn't comprehend to them. Because if someone offered them 60K they'd take it.

[Coursesuper]

You could've just stopped at Bo has no understanding. He consistently has some of the worst takes I have ever heard. Which is weird, because Bo the person is actually a good dude who is knowledgeable. Bo Bounds the character though has gotten really stale and old. He's started steering way more into the character in the last 5-7 years and I don't ever listen anymore. I used to at least listen to the interviews but now he's gotten bad in those where he'll try to interject his hot takes into every conversation.

Also, just so everyone is clear.......WILL MUSCHAMP IS NOT COMING HERE. He is not going anywhere. He is happy showing up to the UGA complex whenever he pleases, collecting 6 figure yearly checks, and living the good life in the town he went to college in. We called him and gauged interest and that's as far as it ever went.

I for the life of me can’t understand how these guys think it does us any good. Are we so disaffected that this is the only way that he thinks he gets ears and eyes on his product? I really feel that he’s so wrapped up with that bunch of politically connected Madison booster types he can’t see the forest for the trees.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I for the life of me can’t understand how these guys think it does us any good. Are we so disaffected that this is the only way that he thinks he gets ears and eyes on his product? I really feel that he’s so wrapped up with that bunch of politically connected Madison booster types he can’t see the forest for the trees.

His dad bought him a radio spot about 2 decades ago. He was actually pretty good at first and really wasn't biased one way or the other. Now he tries to sway his opinions to whatever team is doing well and is constantly running down Mississippi State because Selmon doesn't really care for him.

My favorite Bo Bounds take was that Blake Hinson was going to be a lottery pick after he scored 26 against us in Starkville. For reference, he went undrafted and is in the G League

[KB21]

His dad bought him a radio spot about 2 decades ago. He was actually pretty good at first and really wasn't biased one way or the other. Now he tries to sway his opinions to whatever team is doing well and is constantly running down Mississippi State because Selmon doesn't really care for him.

My favorite Bo Bounds take was that Blake Hinson was going to be a lottery pick after he scored 26 against us in Starkville. For reference, he went undrafted and is in the G League

My favorite take is that Barry Odom was a STUD head coach and how we should have hired him.

[KB21]

Has there been anything more on Pernell McPhee, or are we waiting to see if the new defensive coordinator has someone else in mind?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Has there been anything more on Pernell McPhee, or are we waiting to see if the new defensive coordinator has someone else in mind?

Probably waiting to see who the new DC wants to bring in and where. I've heard a couple of former players be mentioned. I've also heard about Taveze Calhoun for the CB coach. I know Taveze really wants that job but I doubt he'd get it. He's still a little too green to be a P4 position coach.

[TheRef]

Has there been anything more on Pernell McPhee, or are we waiting to see if the new defensive coordinator has someone else in mind?

I think it's going to be more of a not do what Arnett did and hire assistants and position coaches before the DC. I think after we have a DC agreed to in principle there will be some open conversations. Jamar Chaney at Houston and Pernell McPhee at Michigan would be two of my first calls, especially with rumors that Turner is thinking about stepping back into either an off-field or retiring altogether.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Brent Pry is picking up a lot of steam. I feel pretty comfortable confirming now that we're decently far down the road with him. It would be a bit of a letdown if we can't get that one across the finish line.

[RezDog7]

His dad bought him a radio spot about 2 decades ago. He was actually pretty good at first and really wasn't biased one way or the other. Now he tries to sway his opinions to whatever team is doing well and is constantly running down Mississippi State because Selmon doesn't really care for him.

My favorite Bo Bounds take was that Blake Hinson was going to be a lottery pick after he scored 26 against us in Starkville. For reference, he went undrafted and is in the G League

Don't forget his love affair with Freeze and Corral. Hell, I thought Corral might have been his illegitimate son.

[BigDawg81]

Anything new on who they have lined up? I would imagine that they have their guy already when they announce or leak that Coleman has been terminated.


My favorite take is that Barry Odom was a STUD head coach and how we should have hired him. That’s my favorite as well. Odom just went 2-10 at Purdue

[BigDawg81]

Brent Pry is picking up a lot of steam. I feel pretty comfortable confirming now that we're decently far down the road with him. It would be a bit of a letdown if we can't get that one across the finish line.

There was a flight from Starkville to Blacksburg yesterday. It is probably nothing but interesting regardless

[TheRef]

There was a flight from Starkville to Blacksburg yesterday. It is probably nothing but interesting regardless

Is Pry still in Blacksburg at this time?

[KB21]

Brent Pry is picking up a lot of steam. I feel pretty comfortable confirming now that we're decently far down the road with him. It would be a bit of a letdown if we can't get that one across the finish line.

I figured we were down the road on getting someone if they are getting ready to announce Hutzler's dismissal.

[KB21]

Is Pry still in Blacksburg at this time?

I would guess so.

[Thick]

Don't forget his love affair with Freeze and Corral. Hell, I thought Corral might have been his illegitimate son.

If that were the case, Corral would have been the equipment manager.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think it's going to be more of a not do what Arnett did and hire assistants and position coaches before the DC. I think after we have a DC agreed to in principle there will be some open conversations. Jamar Chaney at Houston and Pernell McPhee at Michigan would be two of my first calls, especially with rumors that Turner is thinking about stepping back into either an off-field or retiring altogether.

David Turner has coached his last game. He will be retiring.

[StarkVegasSteve]

There was a flight from Starkville to Blacksburg yesterday. It is probably nothing but interesting regardless

Freight flight. But oddly enough it caused some of our media members and pretty connected guys on the other site to do some digging and found out we were pretty far down the road with Pry.

[KB21]

David Turner has coached his last game. He will be retiring.

His last three years here shouldn't diminish how good he was under both Sylvester Croom and Dan Mullen for this program. He was a great coach who I believe the modern game has passed him by.

[TheRef]

David Turner the recruiter was one of the best finders of diamonds in the rough back in the day. Unfortunately the game and recruiting has passed him by, because he was still under the old impression that he could do "My way or the highway" type of recruiting and be perfectly honest with them.

[StarkVegasSteve]

His last three years here shouldn't diminish how good he was under both Sylvester Croom and Dan Mullen for this program. He was a great coach who I believe the modern game has passed him by.

The modern game, more importantly recruiting in the NIL era, just passed him. He did great work for us from 07-09 and again from 13-15. He grinded his ass off in some recruitments (Fletcher, Pernell, Boyd, etc) in those early years and was not going to be outworked for Jeffrey Simmons.

[KB21]

Saw where Steve Robertson chimed in. He says it's a little early to say it's for certain and that he has a chance to stay at Virginia Tech under Franklin. That would just be odd to me. However, he says that there is another candidate whose name we know that will take it if offered. I'm only assuming that's Wilcox.

[Really Clark?]

I think some coaches are waiting for the LSU domino to fall with Baker most likely going to Tulane as HC.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Saw where Steve Robertson chimed in. He says it's a little early to say it's for certain and that he has a chance to stay at Virginia Tech under Franklin. That would just be odd to me. However, he says that there is another candidate whose name we know that will take it if offered. I'm only assuming that's Wilcox.

Why in the hell would he stay at the school that fired him?

[Todd4State]

Why in the hell would he stay at the school that fired him?

Wouldn't be awkward at all.**

Sounds like something MSU would do. LOL.

[KB21]

Why in the hell would he stay at the school that fired him?

Yep. No matter how good of a relationship he has with Franklin, I just can't see a guy accepting a demotion from being head coach to being defensive coordinator at a program. That just creates a little too much potential internal conflict.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Saw where Steve Robertson chimed in. He says it's a little early to say it's for certain and that he has a chance to stay at Virginia Tech under Franklin. That would just be odd to me. However, he says that there is another candidate whose name we know that will take it if offered. I'm only assuming that's Wilcox.


I will say this. Hutzler has handled this professionally so far. Be it moving on or be it changing responsibilities, he didn't Kiffin it up.

[Todd4State]

Saw where Steve Robertson chimed in. He says it's a little early to say it's for certain and that he has a chance to stay at Virginia Tech under Franklin. That would just be odd to me. However, he says that there is another candidate whose name we know that will take it if offered. I'm only assuming that's Wilcox.

Yeah. I might be reading too much into his comment but it definitely sounds like we have another guy ahead of Pry according to him. I figured it was Wilcox or Armstrong.

[Coursesuper]

Why in the hell would he stay at the school that fired him?

He and Franklin go way back. But you still have think it would be odd that he stayed there.

[Todd4State]

We have our own people on local radio lambasting our admin for not going after Muschamp.

People listen to this and think "What are we doing? We should be going after Muschamp!"

Our morons on the radio do us ZERO favors.

I don't understand why they want him so bad. He hasn't coached in years. They might as well be clamoring for Jimbo Fisher for OC.

[BankerDog]

Bounds and his buddy at CFB Matrix Bartoo also thought Barbay was some offensive genius and praised our boosters for hiring him.

[Todd4State]

Come to think of it asking Hutzler to be our ST coach kind of sort of is like Virginia Tech asking Brent Pry to be their DC.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Come to think of it asking Hutzler to be our ST coach kind of sort of is like Virginia Tech asking Brent Pry to be their DC.

Not really. You still have a coordinator title at that role. You're just coordinating another group. Whereas, Pry would be going from HC with total control of everything in the program to only one part. It would be wild if a guy takes ANOTHER job from the same people who hired him to run the program but said he sucked at that.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Come to think of it asking Hutzler to be our ST coach kind of sort of is like Virginia Tech asking Brent Pry to be their DC.

And we just watched Durkin stay at Auburn.

[TrapGame]

Saw where Steve Robertson chimed in. He says it's a little early to say it's for certain and that he has a chance to stay at Virginia Tech under Franklin. That would just be odd to me. However, he says that there is another candidate whose name we know that will take it if offered. I'm only assuming that's Wilcox.

I think it would be Armstrong. Wilcox made good money at Cal. I could see Armstrong jumping at a chance to get back into the SEC.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think it would be Armstrong. Wilcox made good money at Cal. I could see Armstrong jumping at a chance to get back into the SEC.

He's on the list, but he's definitely in the second tier. The first tier is Pry and Wilcox.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Here is a thought.

What DC can bring the most needs with him. Is the Pry, Wilcox, Armstrong...etc.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Here is a thought.

What DC can bring the most needs with him. Is the Pry, Wilcox, Armstrong...etc.

I don't really know what you're considering needs. If you're talking players then none of them are going to really bring a ton of SEC talent with them outside of a player here and there.

If you're considering coaching a need or scheme a need then that depends on what scheme you want to see.

[TheRef]

If I hear a DC say that he doesn't have an identity for his defense and that he does a "Multiple or flexible" style of defense, I might have an aneurysm.

[Coach34]

We need a DC that can talk people into wanting to play for him. Thats all it comes down to

[Coursesuper]

We need a DC that can talk people into wanting to play for him. Thats all it comes down to

Nuff Said. Need players above all. You can’t scheme around getting your ass whipped at the point. You can have players where they are supposed to be all day but if they can’t make the play it’s all for naught.

[Tbonewannabe]

We need a DC that can talk people into wanting to play for him. Thats all it comes down to

Amazing that Saban was good but then got great when he started stacking #1 recruiting classes one after the other. The NFL didn't suit him because you don't have all the first round picks in the NFL.

[Coach34]

Amazing that Saban was good but then got great when he started stacking #1 recruiting classes one after the other. The NFL didn't suit him because you don't have all the first round picks in the NFL.

This all day. Saban was one of if not the best DC in college. However- anybody could have coached those guys. It's easy to coach a CB that can lock down a WR. Let Saban coach guys like #4 for us at CB. Suddenly people will have their doubts about him.

[Coach34]

Nuff Said. Need players above all. You can’t scheme around getting your ass whipped at the point. You can have players where they are supposed to be all day but if they can’t make the play it’s all for naught.

This is why I keep bringing the tackling in space point. Good defenders can tackle in space. It's just flat out talent. That's not really something that's coached. As we have watched for 2 years now- we cant tackle in space very well at all. Untill we get those guys at LB and in the Secondary- defense is going to suffer

[Coursesuper]

This all day. Saban was one of if not the best DC in college. However- anybody could have coached those guys. It's easy to coach a CB that can lock down a WR. Let Saban coach guys like #4 for us at CB. Suddenly people will have their doubts about him.

Having lock down corners is what made them able to play the cover 7 stuff. Not just anyone can run that well.

[BuckyIsAB****]

This is why I keep bringing the tackling in space point. Good defenders can tackle in space. It's just flat out talent. That's not really something that's coached. As we have watched for 2 years now- we cant tackle in space very well at all. Untill we get those guys at LB and in the Secondary- defense is going to suffer

It can absolutely be coached. I think it?s like everything else, if that guy is better than me he is just better, but I can still play with great technique and give myself a chance. that?s the point of the whole game

[Coach34]

It can absolutely be coached. I think it?s like everything else, if that guy is better than me he is just better, but I can still play with great technique and give myself a chance. that?s the point of the whole game

If you are teaching pursuit angles and such to SEC players you lack talent.

[Todd4State]

Rosebowl stated that Pry will make a decision on his future today. I guess if Pry turns us down we pivot to Armstrong.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Rosebowl stated that Pry will make a decision on his future today. I guess if Pry turns us down we pivot to Armstrong.

That's the consensus that I'm hearing. There's a few that think we'd pivot back to Wilcox, and there's a couple of people that would know that say that, but the general consensus is that Armstrong is probably next up.

[Really Clark?]

I think Wilcox is being deliberate about where / if he coaches next year. We was HC at Cal for a while and doesn't have to rush anything.

[KB21]

Interesting. I said in another thread, I think I prefer Armstrong.

[KB21]

Armstrong is also from York, AL, which is about an hour and a half from Starkville.

[KB21]

Robertson?s latest update says that they aren?t optimistic that Pry takes it.

[Coursesuper]

Robertson?s latest update says that they aren?t optimistic that Pry takes it.

If Rosey is posting it the info is probably a day behind. I’m very hopeful we are all in on Austin Armstrong.

[TrapGame]

I would be absolutely fine with Armstrong. He is a huge upgrade from where we are now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I like Austin but it's definitely a shift from being all in on an established DC and former HC who's called plays off and on since 2002 to Austin who's called plays for 4 years.

Obviously either one is more experienced that Hutzler when we hired him, but there's a definite experience gap from Candidate A to Candidate B.

[StarkVegasSteve]

On another note, Damn KB.....they really like to talk about us over on On3. I think they call that #RentFree over there.

[KB21]

To me, Armstrong is the young star who is on the upswing. I also think it is more likely that you add McPhee and maybe Chaney by hiring him.

[KB21]

On another note, Damn KB.....they really like to talk about us over on On3. I think they call that #RentFree over there.

Ha! I don?t go there, so I wouldn?t know. I know that neither Robbie nor Paul like me, and a lot of those posters who left 247 don?t like me. Oh well!

[Todd4State]

I like Austin but it's definitely a shift from being all in on an established DC and former HC who's called plays off and on since 2002 to Austin who's called plays for 4 years.

Obviously either one is more experienced that Hutzler when we hired him, but there's a definite experience gap from Candidate A to Candidate B.

That's true but I think we need to be careful that we don't overcompensate Lebby's head coaching decision making if we can get a really good DC. Guys with Armstrong's background have done well at MSU before at DC.

And I was impressed that his defense at Houston gave up 30 or more points twice all year.

[Todd4State]

Ha! I don?t go there, so I wouldn?t know. I know that neither Robbie nor Paul like me, and a lot of those posters who left 247 don?t like me. Oh well!

They're still recovering from Barbay Bombs.

[Jarius]

That's true but I think we need to be careful that we don't overcompensate Lebby's head coaching decision making if we can get a really good DC. Guys with Armstrong's background have done well at MSU before at DC.

And I was impressed that his defense at Houston gave up 30 or more points twice all year.

Is he getting his hand held at Houston or is it his defense?

[KB21]

Fritz is a CEO type of head coach. He lets his assistants do their job. He does have a defensive background, but he hasn?t called plays since 1992.

[Really Clark?]

Is he getting his hand held at Houston or is it his defense?

It's his defense and he calls it

[Coursesuper]

Is he getting his hand held at Houston or is it his defense?

Watching the defense it’s easy to see that the concepts used are influenced by who he worked for. I’d say it’s his defense.

[StarkVegasSteve]

They're still recovering from Barbay Bombs.

That's when I lost faith that any of them have a 17 clue what they're talking about. They tried to sell that offense as some type of revolutionary offense......and then tried to convince us that Ryland Goede(yes Ryland Waste of A Scholarship Goede) was going to "eat" in that offense.

[CaptainObvious]

Oh. Boy! Message Board rivalry! This is going to be so good!!!

Now that that is settled, who gets the DC job? Will we be turned down enough times that Hutzler has to Ruin It Back???

[StarkVegasSteve]

Oh. Boy! Message Board rivalry! This is going to be so good!!!

Now that that is settled, who gets the DC job? Will we be turned down enough times that Hutzler has to Ruin It Back???

I think Coleman is done regardless. Eventually I would think this thing gets to a point where we just get tired and overpay for someone if we get turned down a couple of times.

I don't think it gets past Austin Armstrong though. And I still think that Justin Wilcox will get a good look.

[KB21]

I think Coleman is done regardless. Eventually I would think this thing gets to a point where we just get tired and overpay for someone if we get turned down a couple of times.

I don't think it gets past Austin Armstrong though. And I still think that Justin Wilcox will get a good look.

Have you heard Wes Goodwin's name mentioned any?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Have you heard Wes Goodwin's name mentioned any?

Moreso message board fodder over anything. I really like Wes. He was kind of thrown under the bus at Clemson for their regression, which was obviously going to happen due to an ELITE DC moving on and their run of defensive superstars was ending because of Dabo's refusal to recruit the portal.

My concerns with Wes are: He's really green as a playcaller and the only time he was away from Venables, he struggled.

[Really Clark?]

Moreso message board fodder over anything. I really like Wes. He was kind of thrown under the bus at Clemson for their regression, which was obviously going to happen due to an ELITE DC moving on and their run of defensive superstars was ending because of Dabo's refusal to recruit the portal.

My concerns with Wes are: He's really green as a playcaller and the only time he was away from Venables, he struggled.

Wes scoring defenses were 22, 30 and 49th nationally at Clemson. Better than most think because Clemson under achieved from not playing the talent game required.

[BigDawg81]

I guess that’s a NO from Pry?

[EdwardDrayton]

Rumor is we don't have one yet. But it's just a rumor. *****

[KB21]

https://www.matchquarters.com/p/florida-gators-3rd-down-package-austin-armstrong

Good read if you are interested.

[KB21]

The more I read about Austin's scheme, the more I would go all in on hiring him. His system is described as pressure heavy. As USM, he blitzed around 40% of the time and used stunts around 30% of the time. He uses both even and odd spacing run fits. His defense is designed to create chaos in the backfield of the offense.

[KB21]

Brian Baker staying at LSU. Also, Lane Kiffin is apparently skipping out on his ESPN PR tour, as they were going to have him on their Gameday show today.

[starkvegasdawg]

Brian Baker staying at LSU. Also, Lane Kiffin is apparently skipping out on his ESPN PR tour, as they were going to have him on their Gameday show today.

Staying home to welcome Juice to Baton Rouge.***

[KB21]

Well, DAMN!

https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1997298189683306871?s=20

Really? We are ****ing bringing Arnett back?

[Dawgface]

Well, DAMN!

https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1997298189683306871?s=20

Really? We are ****ing bringing Arnett back?

Wiffed on literally everyone else apparently. Does he still have his property in the area?

[Coursesuper]

Well, DAMN!

https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1997298189683306871?s=20

Really? We are ****ing bringing Arnett back?

Are we still paying him?

[KB21]

This is such a letdown. I'm sure some will love it, but you are bringing back the man who destroyed the program. Someone is going to have to convince me why this is good.

[mparkerfd20]

**** that bullshit. We have the stupidest administration in all of football.

[biodawg2014]

It?s mind blowing. Every time Lebby has had to hire a coordinator we?re floated competent names. And settle for literal bottom of the barrel guys. But all these G5 coaches that get P4 jobs each off season immediately fill great staffs out quickly. Make it make sense.

[viverlibre]

This is such a letdown. I'm sure some will love it, but you are bringing back the man who destroyed the program. Someone is going to have to convince me why this is good.

Keenum, hiring a DC with virtually no experience and not giving him mentorship and guardrails, destroyed the program.

[Rawdawg]

They sold their house but his wife never wanted to leave.

[Coursesuper]

Keenum, hiring a DC with virtually no experience and not giving him mentorship and guardrails, destroyed the program.

I don’t love this either, but some of yall really just have no clue how things actually worked. Might want to aim more of that vitriol at Madison county.

[Thick]

No one mentioned him as a candidate, so it?s apparent none of those guys that were mentioned wanted to come here. Arnett was not a bad DC for us with the right personnel. If he wants to be here after the HC debacle, then I?ll support it. We need coaches that want to be here, plus he should be familiar with the recruiting landscape. The only issue will be who is he bringing with him. That could be an issue. Still frustrating that none of the candidates mentioned bit!!

[StarkVegasSteve]

This is such a letdown. I'm sure some will love it, but you are bringing back the man who destroyed the program. Someone is going to have to convince me why this is good.

Arnett is a good DC. Not great but good. He wants to be here. He hated the HC part of the job. I am trying to confirm some stuff with some folks right now about this. I will say that the dynamic is going to be awkward as hell for both Lebby and Arnett. He will be working for the man who replaced him and Lebby will be over the guy he replaced.

I do hope this was run by some of the players, Isaac Smith specifically, to make sure they are good with this. He did not do himself any favors on the way out the door.

I will say that Ole Miss fans thought he helped them out a lot defensively last year and some wanted him back this year when they were struggling defensively.

[Coursesuper]

No one mentioned him as a candidate, so it?s apparent none of those guys that were mentioned wanted to come here. Arnett was not a bad DC for us with the right personnel. If he wants to be here after the HC debacle, then I?ll support it. We need coaches that want to be here, plus he should be familiar with the recruiting landscape. The only issue will be who is he bringing with him. That could be an issue.

I hope the McPhee information is correct. That would be a positive.

[msudawg1200]

If this is true it's not what I wanted, but it's way better than Hutzler.

[KB21]

Arnett is a good DC. Not great but good. He wants to be here. He hated the HC part of the job. I am trying to confirm some stuff with some folks right now about this. I will say that the dynamic is going to be awkward as hell for both Lebby and Arnett. He will be working for the man who replaced him and Lebby will be over the guy he replaced.

I do hope this was run by some of the players, Isaac Smith specifically, to make sure they are good with this. He did not do himself any favors on the way out the door.

I will say that Ole Miss fans thought he helped them out a lot defensively last year and some wanted him back this year when they were struggling defensively.

I think it?s more that he inherited some big time players and lived off them. He recruited poorly and didn?t develop talent.

Need to hire some stud position coaches where he?s not responsible for recruiting or development.

[Thick]

This is such a letdown. I'm sure some will love it, but you are bringing back the man who destroyed the program. Someone is going to have to convince me why this is good.

I don?t blame him for what happened. That?s on Keenum and the boosters that agreed to hiring him as HC.

[Thick]

I hope the McPhee information is correct. That would be a positive.

If McPhee and Chaney are hired, that will take the sting out of this. We need a good DB coach too!

[DEDawg]

This sucks. Screams booster hire

[chef dixon]

His defense was for the most part pretty good with limited defensive talent coming in with Leach

[KB21]

His defense was for the most part pretty good with limited defensive talent coming in with Leach

He inherited two NFL CBs, an NFL LB, and two NFL DL.

[ZedFedder]

In the portal era, how many of our guys actually played for him? I am all on board for this.

[gtowndawg]

Hey, we hired a DC with head coaching experience, that's what we were shooting for!****

[Thick]

Good one!

[StarkVegasSteve]

We better hire some damn good recruiters. If you can do that, this might work. But damn those recruiters are going to have to be great. It is going to take elite recruiters and a lot of money to convince a DL to come here and play in a 3-3-5

[Dawgface]

I don?t love this either, but some of yall really just have no clue how things actually worked. Might want to aim more of that vitriol at Madison county.

I admit I?m clueless. So I?m guessing a or several big boosters reside In Madison county? And if so were they responsible for blowing up the air raid when Arnett was hired as HC or did Arnett do that by himself? Asking for a friend?..

[BuckyIsAB****]

It was fun at times boys but I think im done. Ever since cohen got AD and Leach died this school just went off the rails, jumped 3 ditches and landed in a nuclear plant. Yall give em hell

[SteelCurtain74]

We better hire some damn good recruiters. If you can do that, this might work. But damn those recruiters are going to have to be great. It is going to take elite recruiters and a lot of money to convince a DL to come here and play in a 3-3-5

Is this a situation where his agent reached out to us to let us to know he was interested or did we reach out to him? If we were the ones to make contact, we must have missed on several other targets.It seems like a settle hire if it happens.

[sandjunky]

Well boys and girls this is setting up as ZA 2.0 interim coach come 7 games in

[EdwardDrayton]

Really? Really??!!!!!???

[Mjoelner34]

Now i know how aTm fans felt when they heard Mark Stoops.

[Dawgface]

Well boys and girls this is setting up as ZA 2.0 interim coach come 7 games in

Groundhog Day ll. Playing at a theater near you soon.

[Thick]

SVS, is this for sure happening, and who?s behind it?

[msudawg1200]

Arnett's defenses ranked in the Top 5 of the SEC while he was DC from 20-22.. Hutzler's defenses ranked 16th and 15th (thanks Arkansas) in his two years, including the 3rd worst in P4 in 2024 with an overall ranking of 126 out of 134 teams, and in 2025 the 11th worst in P4 and 104 out of 136 teams. Historically the worst defenses in MSU history.

Arnett was 52nd in 2020, 29th in 2021, and 35th in 2022. Give us that type of production this year, and we are 9-3 going to a Florida bowl.

[KB21]

Matt Brock is coming back as well.

[Thick]

Arnett's defenses ranked in the Top 5 of the SEC while he was DC from 20-22.. Hutzler's defenses ranked 16th and 15th (thanks Arkansas) in his two years, including the 3rd worst in P4 in 2024 with an overall ranking of 126 out of 134 teams, and in 2025 the 11th worst in P4 and 104 out of 136 teams. Historically the worst defenses in MSU history.

Arnett was 52nd in 2020, 29th in 2021, and 35th in 2022. Give us that type of production this year, and we are 9-3 going to a Florida bowl.

Someone pointed out that we had several NFL players on those teams in this thread. That makes a whole hell of a difference in outcomes!

[ZedFedder]

Arnett's defenses ranked in the Top 5 of the SEC while he was DC from 20-22.. Hutzler's defenses ranked 16th and 15th (thanks Arkansas) in his two years, including the 3rd worst in P4 in 2024 with an overall ranking of 126 out of 134 teams, and in 2025 the 11th worst in P4 and 104 out of 136 teams. Historically the worst defenses in MSU history.

Arnett was 52nd in 2020, 29th in 2021, and 35th in 2022. Give us that type of production this year, and we are 9-3 going to a Florida bowl.

This. Also, Lebby is not going to hire a guy he cannot work with. I am sure they ironed out details and how things will work. Selmon fired the guy, and he gave it a pass. You have to get through the surface to see what he can do here.

[Really Clark?]

This would be a bold move, Cotton!

In fairness to Zach, his defenses were actually as good or better than what Armstrong has put on the field. But could be really awkward and we need a great transfer portal haul. Not sure if this gets it done.

[TrapGame]

Better than Hutz but absolutely underwhelming.

[BB30]

Arnett's defenses ranked in the Top 5 of the SEC while he was DC from 20-22.. Hutzler's defenses ranked 16th and 15th (thanks Arkansas) in his two years, including the 3rd worst in P4 in 2024 with an overall ranking of 126 out of 134 teams, and in 2025 the 11th worst in P4 and 104 out of 136 teams. Historically the worst defenses in MSU history.

Arnett was 52nd in 2020, 29th in 2021, and 35th in 2022. Give us that type of production this year, and we are 9-3 going to a Florida bowl.

Yea not sure why all the disappointment other than people getting excited about some huge names we were supposedly in on. Dude was relatively highly thought as an up and coming dc when we hired him under leach and he did a really solid job in that role. He wasn't ready to be a head coach and he knew that. He was really solid at what we originally hired him to do which was put a fast aggressive defense on the field.

We were gonna have to go get some dudes regardless of who the coordinator was going to be.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

It was fun at times boys but I think im done. Ever since cohen got AD and Leach died this school just went off the rails, jumped 3 ditches and landed in a nuclear plant. Yall give em hell

I'm coming with you. We really are little brother U

[mparkerfd20]

There's a lot of time between now and next season. Arnett is known to change his mind and be a quitter.

[Jarius]

This is such a letdown. I'm sure some will love it, but you are bringing back the man who destroyed the program. Someone is going to have to convince me why this is good.

He was good as a DC. He is not a head coach and we did not hire him for that role today. We now have money to spend in the portal and he will have plenty of talent to work with. He will do fine. You love Mike Leach and Leach thought a lot of him as a DC. Not sure why that opinion would have changed. He?s done nothing but field good defenses in that role.

[BigDawg81]

I do not hate it but it is so awkward. He better hire some good recruiters.
Arnett working for the guy that replaced him. Arnett must love Starkville

[Travelingdawg]

How much they gonna pay him? We were told on this board they had 2 to 2.5 for DC.

[Really Clark?]

One other positive about ZA, he has shown that he can run a good defensive unit without supervision from the HC and off the field staff. That can free Lebby a little more to not have to worry over the defense as much.

I still think we might should have gone a different route but it's Lebby's job on the line.

[DownwardDawg]

I thought Arnette did a great job as DC. Certainly not an Arnett fan due to character flaws, but his defense was good.

[KB21]

Bo Bounds calls Arnett a massive upgrade, which means this is a terrible decision. If Bo thinks it?s a good move, that should be a red flag. Particularly since he?s a mouthpiece for the Madison bunch.

[Really Clark?]

Bo Bounds calls Arnett a massive upgrade, which means this is a terrible decision. If Bo thinks it?s a good move, that should be a red flag. Particularly since he?s a mouthpiece for the Madison bunch.

I mean comparatively and statistically speaking to who we had, Bo ain't exactly wrong. I get your frustration but I think it's tied to his HC job and completely tearing down the Air Raid offense. Separate that from his DC role which he was good. I'm not 100% sold on the move because it's been such a short time since he was HC and we need some dawg recruiters to come in to help.

[Activated Alpha]

Bo Bounds calls Arnett a massive upgrade, which means this is a terrible decision. If Bo thinks it?s a good move, that should be a red flag. Particularly since he?s a mouthpiece for the Madison bunch.

Well in his defense, we could have hired Juice the dog away from LK and it would have been a massive upgrade.

[Thick]

I think we?ll be fine if we can keep Arnett fully clothed.

[was21]

I thought Arnette did a great job as DC. Certainly not an Arnett fan due to character flaws, but his defense was good.

Well he probalbly got drunk and took a ride thru there but hell everybody deserves to get drunk every now and then. LK has a character flaw but it's not considered comical just disloyal.

[Cowbell]

I'm coming with you. We really are little brother U

The funny thing about this is I have Ole Miss people texting me that this was a heck of a hire

[BlackSailsDawg]

Bo Bounds calls Arnett a massive upgrade, which means this is a terrible decision. If Bo thinks it?s a good move, that should be a red flag. Particularly since he?s a mouthpiece for the Madison bunch.

Well. The only thing I have an option in considering here is the results. What were his results everywhere he has been a DC at? That includes MSU. https://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/ranking_summary?academic_year=2023.0&division=11.0&game_high=N&org_id=430&ranking_period=70&sport_code=MFB&team_individual=T

There are some great numbers in there. Top 5 in conference play in fact.

The one thing I would like to see is if Arnett was here this season, would it have made a difference. In his last season as DC, 23.1 PPG across 13 games, finishing 20th nationally. In SEC play, 29.17 Somebody double check that

[BlackSailsDawg]

Matt Brock is coming back!

[EdwardDrayton]

It's all good. OM gonna send us their lemon Pledge and a microfiber cloth. So we can put the shine on our own ...... well, you know.

[Maroon Glasses]

It's an underwhelming hire if you look at the names that was getting thrown around. But I will say this.. if you look past the whole HC disaster and try and look past that entire situation, it's a big upgrade from Hutz. It's hard not to have a cloudy vision with how everything went down and now Arnett being brought right back into the fire. But Arnett is not a bad DC and I think we all would be a little happier if everything didn't happen the way it happened. His defenses are usually pretty good and we know that.

Personally, I would have loved if we hired Armstrong. Oh and now we have someone with HC experience that can help Lebby with in game decisions.************

[shoeless joe]

Did we strike out on all our listed choices because of Lebby’s job security? Or was arnett a top choice of boosters?

[Thick]

Do we have ANY idea about his staff? Are McPhee and Chaney a real opportunity as staff additions??

[Coursesuper]

Do we have ANY idea about his staff? Are McPhee and Chaney a real opportunity as staff additions??

I’ve only heard about McPhee. Don’t know how good that info is.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Do we have ANY idea about his staff? Are McPhee and Chaney a real opportunity as staff additions??



So far Just Matt Brock

[Cowbeller]

What happened to Brent Key? Im not excited or mad at ZA. More so bleh and confused

[BlackSailsDawg]

This was just reported:

Corey Bell, Vincent Dancy, Matt Brock so far

[StarkVegasSteve]

What happened to Brent Key? Im not excited or mad at ZA. More so bleh and confused

He is still the HC at Georgia Tech.

[RisperDawg]

He is still the HC at Georgia Tech.

Lol

[Brobi-wan]

Did we strike out on all our listed choices because of Lebby?s job security? Or was arnett a top choice of boosters?

If Arnett was a top choice we should fire everyone.

[Cowbeller]

He is still the HC at Georgia Tech.

Lol I am shooting for the stars! I want an offensive backgrounded current top HC candidate as our DC.

Brent Pry* coffee is on the pot now

[TrapGame]

If Arnett was a top choice we should fire everyone.

Of course he wasn?t the top choice. He came back for a lot cheaper than Armstrong and with more experience. This is not the worst hire we have ever made. Underwhelming, yes, but not a bad hire.

[KB21]

The guy destroyed the program, and we are bringing him back.

[Cowbeller]

The guy destroyed the program, and we are bringing him back.

Exactly. He is not performing high enough even at his time here to just forget about this

[Coursesuper]

The guy destroyed the program, and we are bringing him back.

Look, he didn’t handle that task all by himself. You know the details, did he make a bunch of bad decisions, yes, but the program was on shaky ground for a long time before that.

[Todd4State]

Look, he didn’t handle that task all by himself. You know the details, did he make a bunch of bad decisions, yes, but the program was on shaky ground for a long time before that.

Ok so he was part of the program being on shaky ground. Why is Arnett getting a complete pass for that too?

And here's the thing- when this doesn't work and it won't- you can not blame Leach anymore. You can not blame Emerick and Dudek anymore either. There is one common denominator here. And that's Arnett.

[Turfdawg67]

Lol!! We are MS Stake.

[Cowbeller]

Ok so he was part of the program being on shaky ground. Why is Arnett getting a complete pass for that too?

And here's the thing- when this doesn't work and it won't- you can not blame Leach anymore. You can not blame Emerick and Dudek anymore either. There is one common denominator here. And that's Arnett.

I think theres more than 1 common denominator

[confucius say]

The guy destroyed the program, and we are bringing him back.

How'd he destroy the program as a DC? Often times our defense was our strength when he was DC.

We have to get players. Thats really all that matters. And that is the case regardless of what DC we hire. There are 100 people who can do the job if we get players.

[DEDawg]

I can't keep up with the damn rules anymore. Is our money used for coaching the able to be used for NIL or do those have to be kept separate? If we saved $2M by going with Arnett then whatever. $2M more on the DL + Arnett probably better than $0 more on the DL and a hot candidate DC

[msudawg1200]

Of course he wasn?t the top choice. He came back for a lot cheaper than Armstrong and with more experience. This is not the worst hire we have ever made. Underwhelming, yes, but not a bad hire.

^This. Players or no, I don't think many of y'all realize how bad Huntzler was. I remember the day that we hired him. I was around a Bama fan and a Reb fan. I told them I hope I'm wrong, but this is not good and will not end well. You don't hire a DC in the SEC that has never called or ran his own defense. Horrible, awful hire Huntzler was.

[Coursesuper]

Ok so he was part of the program being on shaky ground. Why is Arnett getting a complete pass for that too?

And here's the thing- when this doesn't work and it won't- you can not blame Leach anymore. You can not blame Emerick and Dudek anymore either. There is one common denominator here. And that's Arnett.

Dude, head uptown and hang at the bulldog the rest of the afternoon. If I was there I’d be glad to have a few pints together.

[KB21]

How'd he destroy the program as a DC? Often times our defense was our strength when he was DC.

We have to get players. Thats really all that matters. And that is the case regardless of what DC we hire. There are 100 people who can do the job if we get players.

He has proven that he can't get the players. His recruiting is the biggest reason why the talent on defense was so bad in 2024.

[confucius say]

I can't keep up with the damn rules anymore. Is our money used for coaching the able to be used for NIL or do those have to be kept separate? If we saved $2M by going with Arnett then whatever. $2M more on the DL + Arnett probably better than $0 more on the DL and a hot candidate DC

Yes. The money we save on staff can go to players.
The rev share money is all in house.

The NIL from the bulldog initiative is not in house.

[KB21]

Let's bring Joe Moorhead back as offensive coordinator while we are at it.

[Todd4State]

Let's bring Joe Moorhead back as offensive coordinator while we are at it.

No! Les Koenning! He fits MSU's culture and is blue collar.

[Thick]

The guy destroyed the program, and we are bringing him back.

Wait?..the guy was not ready to be a HC. It was not his fault that WE hired him. His defenses under Leach didn?t destroy our program. You have be somewhat rational. It?s frustrating, bc we were expecting other candidates to step forward.

[Coursesuper]

Wait?..the guy was not ready to be a HC. It was not his fault that WE hired him. His defenses under Leach didn?t destroy our program. You have be somewhat rational. It?s frustrating, bc we were expecting other candidates to step forward.

If he destroyed it he sure as hell had a lot of help.

[Todd4State]

Wait?..the guy was not ready to be a HC. It was not his fault that WE hired him. His defenses under Leach didn?t destroy our program. You have be somewhat rational. It?s frustrating, bc we were expecting other candidates to step forward.

He could have said no he didn't want to be the head coach. Would have been better for all involved.

[Todd4State]

If he destroyed it he sure as hell had a lot of help.

And this opens the door for those people to be back in the fold.

[DownwardDawg]

This is gonna be brutal for a while. KB and Todd are gonna destroy all threads like they did during the short Arnette/Barbay era.

[Todd4State]

This is gonna be brutal for a while. KB and Todd are gonna destroy all threads like they did during the short Arnette/Barbay era.

Were we wrong?

[Coursesuper]

And this opens the door for those people to be back in the fold.

U’m no. You are badly mistaken about this. They are done.

[confucius say]

Let's bring Joe Moorhead back as offensive coordinator while we are at it.

Why? He sucked as an OC

[Really Clark?]

And this opens the door for those people to be back in the fold.

No, that's not going to happen.

[confucius say]

He has proven that he can't get the players. His recruiting is the biggest reason why the talent on defense was so bad in 2024.

Our recruiting problems were a leach program problem. It wasn't just our defense in 2024. It was the entire roster. Look at our classes from 2020 to 2023 and see who was left on the roster in 2024.

We have to commit to player acquisition as a program. We are working back towards it.

[confucius say]

And this opens the door for those people to be back in the fold.

Who are "those people" you are worried about being back in the fold?

[Coursesuper]

Who are "those people" you are worried about being back in the fold?

Out or dead now.

[Todd4State]

No, that's not going to happen.


U’m no. You are badly mistaken about this. They are done.

Thank God.

[maroonmania]

^This. Players or no, I don't think many of y'all realize how bad Huntzler was. I remember the day that we hired him. I was around a Bama fan and a Reb fan. I told them I hope I'm wrong, but this is not good and will not end well. You don't hire a DC in the SEC that has never called or ran his own defense. Horrible, awful hire Huntzler was.

The day the Hutzler hire was made I pretty much knew Lebby was not ready to be a HC in the SEC. Just an awful hire from the get go.

And while Im not wild about bringing ZA back, as a DC, he is light years ahead of Hutzler.

[DownwardDawg]

Were we wrong?

No you were not wrong. But that's not the point I was making and you know it. The board was unreadable during that time.

[Todd4State]

No you were not wrong. But that's not the point I was making and you know it. The board was unreadable during that time.

This situation was completely 100% avoidable. And I have every right to vent about it as anyone else does as long as I am within the rules of the board.

[msudawg1200]

For those saying he left the cupboard bare when he left, maybe, but in the NIL level bare or not in a coaching change most guys would've left anyway. Our problem was Cohen didn't have us set up to be competitive in the NIL era. Hopefully, we are continuing to get that fixed.

[Coursesuper]

For those saying he left the cupboard bare when he left, maybe, but in the NIL level bare or not in a coaching change most guys would've left anyway. Our problem was Cohen didn't have us set up to be competitive in the NIL era. Hopefully, we are continuing to get that fixed.

Correct, I’m glad everyone else is beginning to understand.

[TrapGame]

For those saying he left the cupboard bare when he left, maybe, but in the NIL level bare or not in a coaching change most guys would've left anyway. Our problem was Cohen didn't have us set up to be competitive in the NIL era. Hopefully, we are continuing to get that fixed.

This is what a lot of people fail to grasp.