So Stricklin cost UF Kiffin

[HoopsDawg]

And it may ultimately cost loafers his job. But he may be onto something with his GM to AD model. (More of an NFL model). This could lessen the importance of the head coach and give athletic departments at least a little leverage over Jimmy Sexton. Be interesting to follow the next 5 years.

[Thick]

What exactly did Scott do or not do?

[KB21]

I saw a report that Alford at FSU was reaching out to Kiffin behind the scenes but bowed out because FSU "couldn't afford Lane".

[SPMT]

I think that is a really valid strategy.

GM reporting to AD, Coach is there to coach. More of a plug and play with the coach. The

[KB21]

Interesting approach. They hired a former NFL GM for the job as well.

[HoopsDawg]

What exactly did Scott do or not do?

Kiffin wanted to be in control of all the roster, nil decisions and bring in his guy from Ole Miss. Scott said he was going to be hiring the GM which he ultimately brought in an ex-NFL GM. Kiffin didn?t like this at all. Killed the deal in the first meeting. LSU told Kiffin he would have total control.

[PGHBulldogBG]

I can?t see Stricklin and Kiffin getting along. I think he is a better fit at LSU. I also think UF made a big mistake hiring Sumrall and not Fisch

[Thick]

So do you agree with Loafer?s approach with a GM?

[HoopsDawg]

So do you agree with Loafer?s approach with a GM?

In general, yes. Very few head coaches are equipped to handle all the different aspects required to run a multi-million dollar business. But in this particular case, I think he should have given Kiffin complete autonomy. For one, Kiffin has proven he knows what hes doing as far as roster construction in this NIL era. And two, Stricklins ass is gone if Sumrall doesnt pan out.

[Todd4State]

So do you agree with Loafer?s approach with a GM?

I think it's a good model for MSU. Essentially Leach had the same model.

[HoopsDawg]

I think it's a good model for MSU. Essentially Leach had the same model.

No, Leach had the Kiffin model. What we are talking about is the AD making the GM hire.

[Coach34]

haha- Leach had no model. We were so understaffed with him its insane and embarrassing

[PGHBulldogBG]

Leach won 7 and 8 games in his 2nd and 3rd year. His model was starting to work before his passing

[Coach34]

Leach won 7 and 8 games in his 2nd and 3rd year. His model was starting to work before his passing

He was living off previous talent. We were very understaffed under Leach. Holy crap our fans have no idea what goes on or went on in athletics

[1bigdawg]

No, Leach had the Kiffin model. What we are talking about is the AD making the GM hire.

Leach did have a similar model. He just had people who did not know what they were doing in charge of analysis and offering scholarships.

[Cowbell]

Fans that don't realize Leach contributed to our current situation are living in a land of make belief

[Coursesuper]

I think it's a good model for MSU. Essentially Leach had the same model.

Y'all have no idea how much that time ultimately ended up hurting our program. Between that time and the Arnett cluster 17 we were bottomed out.

[Coursesuper]

He was living off previous talent. We were very understaffed under Leach. Holy crap our fans have no idea what goes on or went on in athletics

People don't even understand who really makes decisions, even after seeing that Fla booster video. Just like the Leb only hires his buddies. Does anyone ever think about how small the coaching world is? So small that if you don't know someone you know someone that they worked with.

[TrapGame]

Fans that don't realize Leach contributed to our current situation are living in a land of make belief

Exactly. Leach was a great coach but the everything else around him suffered. Arnett was just the rancid cherry on top of the shit sundae.

We are just now starting to climb out of this hole. And some people want to nuke it and start over.

[Todd4State]

Y'all have no idea how much that time ultimately ended up hurting our program. Between that time and the Arnett cluster 17 we were bottomed out.

I blame Cohen for that situation much more than Leach. When your leader is telling you that NIL is a fad and giving it to the baseball team that's an issue.

Leach was eccentric. But that didn't mean he was against NIL and the portal- Leach actually recruited the portal pretty well considering the resources at hand.

[Coursesuper]

I blame Cohen for that situation much more than Leach. When your leader is telling you that NIL is a fad and giving it to the baseball team that's an issue.

Leach was eccentric. But that didn't mean he was against NIL and the portal- Leach actually recruited the portal pretty well considering the resources at hand.

His staffs high school and Juco work was not getting it done either. That one dude who went to USC burned a lot of bridges in this state. He totally botched Picayune and the Dowdell situation and that's only one of them. Cohen gets plenty of blame also, he just gaffed up everything and let a group of clowns get control.

Look I'm not bashing Leach here, he fundamentally changed the game, was an offensive savant and could do more with less than anyone due to his system. But when he inevitably left the transition was going to be brutal. We just 17ed it up worse by putting the Arnett staff in place. That bottomed us out.

[Todd4State]

His staffs high school and Juco work was not getting it done either. That one dude who went to USC burned a lot of bridges in this state. He totally botched Picayune and the Dowdell situation and that's only one of them. Cohen gets plenty of blame also, he just gaffed up everything and let a group of clowns get control.

Look I'm not bashing Leach here, he fundamentally changed the game, was an offensive savant and could do more with less than anyone due to his system. But when he inevitably left the transition was going to be brutal. We just 17ed it up worse by putting the Arnett staff in place. That bottomed us out.

Well Dowdell had a chance to come back to MSU and he then he went to Oregon or Nebraska instead so I don't feel bad at all about the Dowdell situation. That dude wasn't going to stay more than a year if we did get him. He's on his third school now at Kentucky and it wouldn't shock me if he ends up somewhere else again. I'm just saying we tried to make it right and he didn't take the opportunity so the butthurt by his handler should have stopped right then and there.

In this era teams should be able to rebuild in a year or two. You can literally flip a roster in an offseason. We couldn't do that after Leach passed away- why? Because of our NIL situation. And who was in charge of that? Cohen.

If we had a legit NIL structure in place when Leach passed away it would have saved us at least a year or two of rebuilding.

And I think this goes along with this topic to a degree at least. MSU has always expected the football coach to basically do what Ron Polk did in baseball and tell the administration what we needed to do. But the administration shouldn't rely solely on the coach to tell MSU what to do and what is needed. Dan was probably the closest to Polk in that regard and Dan did do a lot for our program to modernize it but he also lacked some areas to like recruiting.

And it's not like Arnett couldn't have adapted the offense to the players. Croom got railed for that for years and rightfully so. But it's Leach's staff's fault for not recruiting for the next staff?

When Arnett was our coach the recruiting was absolutely atrocious. Lebby basically salvaged that class at the end.

[EdwardDrayton]

What exactly did Scott do or not do?

Had the right loafers but mismatched his socks. *****