2026 Mississippi State Football Coaching Turnover Tracker 2.0

[Tater]

Let's try this again... This time - don't ****ing argue or wishcast what you want, just rumors you're greenlit to share.



Name
Role
Confirmed/Rumored - Status
Confirmed/Rumored - Replacement


Jeff Lebby
Head Coach
Confirmed - Safe
N/A


Anthony Tucker
AHC / PGC
Rumored - Safe



Coleman Hutzler
DC/LB
Confirmed - OUT
Confirmed - Zach Arnett


Matt Barnes
Co-DC/S
Confirmed - OUT
Confirmed Kevie Thompson - S / Assistant DBs


Corey Bell
CB
Rumored - OUT or demotion



Chad Bumphis
WR
Confirmed - OUT



Ron Cooper
TE / RGC
Rumored - Safe



Vincent Dancy
Edge
Confirmed - OUT
Rumored - Matt Brock - LBs


Matt Holocek
QB
Rumored - OUT only for OC hire / maybe re-assigned to off field



Phil Loadholt
OL
Confirmed - Safe
N/A


Cliff Odom
STC
Confirmed - OUT



David Turner
DL
Confirmed - OUT (retirement)
Rumored - Pernell McPhee



DC Hot Board will be posted once we confirm Hutzler firing - LOTS of names being thrown around. Some of them sounds like flushing out rats so I'm not sharing until we get confirmation Hutzler is gone.

Creating a table for us to track this. Please post if you're positive about retention / replacement.
I also give mods permission to edit this post if I get lackadaisical.

Let me know if I should add anything else to be tracked.

[Tater]

Posting what things I've heard and am greenlit to share, waiting for others to double confirm these things before adding to tracker.

Lebby is safe.
Tucker is safe.
Cooper is safe.
Bumphis is safer than safe.
Holocek could get replaced by Briles otherwise expect no offensive staffing changes except....

Hearing serious discussions about Loadholt. This is where the point of contention lies the most. Loadholt not getting a fair shake and it being a jimmies and joes problem. Remains to be seen how that shakes out. Likely staying is my inference - no word either way yet.

Hutzler will be gone. Barnes will be gone. Dancy will be gone. - these three are contingent on us lining up a perceived better DC hire. Speculation that we won't as in 25% we might not.

Odom is gone. Turner is gone. Bell is gone. These are gone regardless of Hutzler.

[Brobi-wan]

I wouldn’t hate Hutzler getting f a 3rd year, but I really think he has to fall on the sword for Lebby

[Todd4State]

I wouldn’t hate Hutzler getting f a 3rd year, but I really think he has to fall on the sword for Lebby

Can't keep him. Right or wrong. And I think getting rid of him is right. We were only slightly improved from last year. No reason why we shouldn't be a top 50 defense and that's not really a lofty goal for us.

[Todd4State]

Posting what things I've heard and am greenlit to share, waiting for others to double confirm these things before adding to tracker.

Lebby is safe.
Tucker is safe.
Cooper is safe.
Bumphis is safer than safe.
Holocek could get replaced by Briles otherwise expect no offensive staffing changes except....

Hearing serious discussions about Loadholt. This is where the point of contention lies the most. Loadholt not getting a fair shake and it being a jimmies and joes problem. Remains to be seen how that shakes out. Likely staying is my inference - no word either way yet.

Hutzler will be gone. Barnes will be gone. Dancy will be gone. - these three are contingent on us lining up a perceived better DC hire. Speculation that we won't as in 25% we might not.

Odom is gone. Turner is gone. Bell is gone. These are gone regardless of Hutzler.

As far as the offense goes we have 5 spots there and last year we had 6 spots for defense. I could see us using a defensive spot for an offensive coach and go with 6 coaches on offense and 5 on defense especially if we can find a ST coach that can coach a position on defense.

[KB21]

From the other thread:

I don?t have the sources some of you do, but I do have a guy that who told me that we were getting BOC before it ever happened. So there?s that. The same guy tells me that we have an offer in the table to Will Muschamp to be DC and are waiting on his response.

Now, my thoughts are that he?s not interested in returning to a full time coaching job yet, but that?s out there in the ether.

No. That wasn?t Bo Bounds that I got that from. It was from one of my physician colleagues who has some booster patients. FWIW.

[KB21]

This isn?t a rumor. It?s just something I want to point out.

Jeff Lebby was recruited to Oklahoma as a player and hired as a coach at Oklahoma by Bob Stoops. So, he has a strong connection with the Stoops family.

Now, I doubt Mark wants to go back to being a DC just yet. He will probably take a year off and collect his buyout without any offsets.

Could Brad white be a guy though?

[msstate7]

From the other thread:

I don?t have the sources some of you do, but I do have a guy that who told me that we were getting BOC before it ever happened. So there?s that. The same guy tells me that we have an offer in the table to Will Muschamp to be DC and are waiting on his response.

Now, my thoughts are that he?s not interested in returning to a full time coaching job yet, but that?s out there in the ether.

No. That wasn?t Bo Bounds that I got that from. It was from one of my physician colleagues who has some booster patients. FWIW.

I really hope muschamp isn't the guy. I know this isn't always the correct path, but I much prefer to get guys on their way up, not down.

[msstate7]

This isn?t a rumor. It?s just something I want to point out.

Jeff Lebby was recruited to Oklahoma as a player and hired as a coach at Oklahoma by Bob Stoops. So, he has a strong connection with the Stoops family.

Now, I doubt Mark wants to go back to being a DC just yet. He will probably take a year off and collect his buyout without any offsets.

Could Brad white be a guy though?

I would prefer white

[confucius say]

Brad white.
Ron Roberts.
I think those two are realistic. Rather have them than muschamp anyway.

[Pancho]

Roberts is Pete Goldings mentor so I wouldn't get too heated on him yet.........

[TrapGame]

Brad White would be very solid.

[Coach34]

Ron Roberts name is being floated around

[StarkVegasSteve]

Posting what things I've heard and am greenlit to share, waiting for others to double confirm these things before adding to tracker.

Lebby is safe.
Tucker is safe.
Cooper is safe.
Bumphis is safer than safe.
Holocek could get replaced by Briles otherwise expect no offensive staffing changes except....

Hearing serious discussions about Loadholt. This is where the point of contention lies the most. Loadholt not getting a fair shake and it being a jimmies and joes problem. Remains to be seen how that shakes out. Likely staying is my inference - no word either way yet.

Hutzler will be gone. Barnes will be gone. Dancy will be gone. - these three are contingent on us lining up a perceived better DC hire. Speculation that we won't as in 25% we might not.

Odom is gone. Turner is gone. Bell is gone. These are gone regardless of Hutzler.

Ok Tater, you're decently connected as well so maybe you've heard it in your circles. But where the hell was the Bumphis job being in jeopardy coming from? I haven't heard that from anyone I spoke to. I saw either On3 or GP saying that he was going to be let go. WR has been the least of our issues. And although Lebby did recruit Thompson and Evans, Chad got Craver and Coleman. I also think our WRs play pretty well. Their routes are pretty crisp and they know how to get separation.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This isn?t a rumor. It?s just something I want to point out.

Jeff Lebby was recruited to Oklahoma as a player and hired as a coach at Oklahoma by Bob Stoops. So, he has a strong connection with the Stoops family.

Now, I doubt Mark wants to go back to being a DC just yet. He will probably take a year off and collect his buyout without any offsets.

Could Brad white be a guy though?

Brad is an option I'm sure. I don't think anything has really even begun on that front though. The UK stuff really didn't start heating up til late Saturday and into yesterday.

[Tater]

Ok Tater, you're decently connected as well so maybe you've heard it in your circles. But where the hell was the Bumphis job being in jeopardy coming from? I haven't heard that from anyone I spoke to. I saw either On3 or GP saying that he was going to be let go. WR has been the least of our issues. And although Lebby did recruit Thompson and Evans, Chad got Craver and Coleman. I also think our WRs play pretty well. Their routes are pretty crisp and they know how to get separation.

I haven't heard anything about Bumphi beyond he's the safest on staff. So that's weird.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I haven't heard anything about Bumphi beyond he's the safest on staff. So that's weird.

Then you and I have heard the same. I've cobbled together that Brian Hadad apparently said something on a podcast that one of the potential staff changes would surprise a lot of people and I guess everyone ran with it that he meant Bumphis.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Can't keep him. Right or wrong. And I think getting rid of him is right. We were only slightly improved from last year. No reason why we shouldn't be a top 50 defense and that's not really a lofty goal for us.

The biggest issue is the lack of growth with added talent. I love Kelly, but his growth in run defense was not there or really anywhere. We ranked 103rd in the nation in total D and our run D was 117th. This is why we are not an 8 plus win team this season. Based on that, how can you keep him?

[BlackSailsDawg]

Ok Tater, you're decently connected as well so maybe you've heard it in your circles. But where the hell was the Bumphis job being in jeopardy coming from? I haven't heard that from anyone I spoke to. I saw either On3 or GP saying that he was going to be let go. WR has been the least of our issues. And although Lebby did recruit Thompson and Evans, Chad got Craver and Coleman. I also think our WRs play pretty well. Their routes are pretty crisp and they know how to get separation.

Yeah, that would be a mistake in my opinion

[KB21]

The biggest issue is the lack of growth with added talent. I love Kelly, but his growth in run defense was not there or really anywhere. We ranked 103rd in the nation in total D and our run D was 117th. This is why we are not an 8 plus win team this season. Based on that, how can you keep him?

There are better ways of evaluating improvement than relying on volume stats. My preference is EPA/play. The defense did improve from 97th in EPA/play in 2024 to around 51 in 2025. It was the difference in allowing 0.046 EPA/play in 2025 to allowing -0.021 EPA/ play in 2025.

[Tater]

Then you and I have heard the same. I've cobbled together that Brian Hadad apparently said something on a podcast that one of the potential staff changes would surprise a lot of people and I guess everyone ran with it that he meant Bumphis.

That would make sense. Part of why I'm trying to track this thread to drown out noise / dumbass rumors.

I haven't been given DL name yet, but have heard the same on Holocek as you put in the other thread. Waiting for confirmation that Hutzler is out before making a DC hot board that could turn into wishcasting.

[Coach34]

Watching our D in person it was easy to see we lack talent still. It is a little improved but overall its just not there.

We cant tackle in space. Mississippi's WR's kept making us miss tackles while our fast WR's were unable to make them miss
Our LB's play hard but they are slow. Not much help to us in underneath coverage
Jones is a top notch cover guy- but the rest are not. 4 is toast on a plate and while Manning and Smith are solid- they arent AA's either. 15 is nothing to write home about either

When you are good at one part of defense- either against the run or the pass- you can scheme your way into hiding what you arent good at. When you are good at neither- scheme is now irrelevant. It's just try and guess what they are gonna do and hope they can defend it to not give up the big play. We were able to slow the run Friday- but in doing so we had to take chances on the back end and well, as we saw- they just abused us. Had we backed up the safeties to help over the top- they would have run wild on us

[Coursesuper]

Watching our D in person it was easy to see we lack talent still. It is a little improved but overall its just not there.

We cant tackle in space. Mississippi's WR's kept making us miss tackles while our fast WR's were unable to make them miss
Our LB's play hard but they are slow. Not much help to us in underneath coverage
Jones is a top notch cover guy- but the rest are not. 4 is toast on a plate and while Manning and Smith are solid- they arent AA's either. 15 is nothing to write home about either

When you are good at one part of defense- either against the run or the pass- you can scheme your way into hiding what you arent good at. When you are good at neither- scheme is now irrelevant. It's just try and guess what they are gonna do and hope they can defend it to not give up the big play. We were able to slow the run Friday- but in doing so we had to take chances on the back end and well, as we saw- they just abused us. Had we backed up the safeties to help over the top- they would have run wild on us

Yeah, we were pretty much drop 3 all day, and they found the mismatch everytime, they were motioning into the matchup they were looking for and it payed off.

[StarkVegasSteve]

That would make sense. Part of why I'm trying to track this thread to drown out noise / dumbass rumors.

I haven't been given DL name yet, but have heard the same on Holocek as you put in the other thread. Waiting for confirmation that Hutzler is out before making a DC hot board that could turn into wishcasting.

Same. I have no confirmation on WHEN Hutzler will be out. Just that he will be out unless we have an 11th hour change. On DL, like I posted in another thread, Pernell McPhee is the name I have continually heard. I actually heard his name a lot last offseason which is why I was quite confident that Turner was being transitioned off the field.

[Maroon Glasses]

Watching our D in person it was easy to see we lack talent still. It is a little improved but overall its just not there.

We cant tackle in space. Mississippi's WR's kept making us miss tackles while our fast WR's were unable to make them miss
Our LB's play hard but they are slow. Not much help to us in underneath coverage
Jones is a top notch cover guy- but the rest are not. 4 is toast on a plate and while Manning and Smith are solid- they arent AA's either. 15 is nothing to write home about either

When you are good at one part of defense- either against the run or the pass- you can scheme your way into hiding what you arent good at. When you are good at neither- scheme is now irrelevant. It's just try and guess what they are gonna do and hope they can defend it to not give up the big play. We were able to slow the run Friday- but in doing so we had to take chances on the back end and well, as we saw- they just abused us. Had we backed up the safeties to help over the top- they would have run wild on us

This is the type of breakdown I like to read.

Nice post, coach. We sold out to stop the run and did for the most part. Or atleast the big explosive runs. But they killed us over the top. Actually should have been worse than the final outcome. Chambliss missed a few and they had some big drops. If that doesn't happen they might score 60 on our secondary. 40 against Brumfield.

[Tater]

Same. I have no confirmation on WHEN Hutzler will be out. Just that he will be out unless we have an 11th hour change. On DL, like I posted in another thread, Pernell McPhee is the name I have continually heard. I actually heard his name a lot last offseason which is why I was quite confident that Turner was being transitioned off the field.

I'd love it. If I or anyone else double confirms then I'll list him on the first post as the potential replacement.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'd love it. If I or anyone else double confirms then I'll list him on the first post as the potential replacement.

I feel confident enough at this point to say he won't return. When Robertson won't shoot it down, that tends to solidify it in my mind. The stuff I have heard has also just been way too consistent with the messaging.

[Coach34]

I feel confident enough at this point to say he won't return.

Yep. He doesnt want to do it but knows he wont have any Crootin money if he doesnt. A new DC is happening

[BlackSailsDawg]

I'm fine either way.

[confucius say]

Don't know if he would take the demotion, but moving Hutz to special teams where his background is makes sense.
I doubt he would find a job better than our ST coach right now anyway.

[Tater]

I feel confident enough at this point to say he won't return. When Robertson won't shoot it down, that tends to solidify it in my mind. The stuff I have heard has also just been way too consistent with the messaging.

I changed up how I'm presenting the table a bit and not gonna sit here and ascribe folks to their rumor. Maybe on DC Hot board when we get there or a name just has overwhelming legs. Lots of different names and I don't think we have a clear plan we're sharing yet.

[KB21]

Is Jeff meeting with the media today?

[Maverick91]

Ok Tater, you're decently connected as well so maybe you've heard it in your circles. But where the hell was the Bumphis job being in jeopardy coming from? I haven't heard that from anyone I spoke to. I saw either On3 or GP saying that he was going to be let go. WR has been the least of our issues. And although Lebby did recruit Thompson and Evans, Chad got Craver and Coleman. I also think our WRs play pretty well. Their routes are pretty crisp and they know how to get separation.

I do wish they were better at blocking but that also might be a size issue.

[KB21]

So, with the Womack flip, the elephant in the room is this. Are we getting DJ Durkin?

[TrapGame]

So, with the Womack flip, the elephant in the room is this. Are we getting DJ Durkin?

There is a buzz but I don't know if it's legit or just wishful thinking.

[StarkVegasSteve]

So, with the Womack flip, the elephant in the room is this. Are we getting DJ Durkin?

No. His situation is still iffy. Womack wanted to come here. He likes Lebby and he likes Barnes, who may be the only defensive staffer to say. Womack committing isn't a decision on the DC one way or the other. We needed him, we probably overpaid a tad, but we got him.

[KB21]

No. His situation is still iffy. Womack wanted to come here. He likes Lebby and he likes Barnes, who may be the only defensive staffer to say. Womack committing isn't a decision on the DC one way or the other. We needed him, we probably overpaid a tad, but we got him.

Got you! That's interesting for the other rumor at play then. Matt Barnes was a GA for Muschamp at Florida.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Got you! That's interesting for the other rumor at play then. Matt Barnes was a GA for Muschamp at Florida.

I've asked a few people this morning and, while I'm waiting for one more to get back to me, the others have said that the Muschamp thing was nothing more than us calling and gauging interest. I do know that we'd have to keep Hutzler on in some form or fashion, probably STC. That's been confirmed by everyone I've asked about it. It would be a non starter for Will to come if he was straight up replacing Hutzler and putting him out of a job.

[Cowbeller]

I've asked a few people this morning and, while I'm waiting for one more to get back to me, the others have said that the Muschamp thing was nothing more than us calling and gauging interest. I do know that we'd have to keep Hutzler on in some form or fashion, probably STC. That's been confirmed by everyone I've asked about it. It would be a non starter for Will to come if he was straight up replacing Hutzler and putting him out of a job.
Has anyone gauged if he is willing to step back?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Has anyone gauged if he is willing to step back?

I don't know if we have or not. Last year the rumors were he'd be happy to do that and stay on staff as a recruiter, because the guy recruited pretty damn good out of the portal. But no clue on this year.

[BlackSailsDawg]

No. His situation is still iffy. Womack wanted to come here. He likes Lebby and he likes Barnes, who may be the only defensive staffer to say. Womack committing isn't a decision on the DC one way or the other. We needed him, we probably overpaid a tad, but we got him.

Golesh is adding defensive guys from USF. Not sure what capacity, but one would think that you announce the DC before others right?

[Cowbeller]

I don't know if we have or not. Last year the rumors were he'd be happy to do that and stay on staff as a recruiter, because the guy recruited pretty damn good out of the portal. But no clue on this year.

After the year played out do we still think he was that great out of the portal? Genuinely asking because I did not see much of an improvement.

I think Muschamp would be a home run. Hiring on the way down worked for Saban, now I know getting the most out of guys was Sabans thing but I dont think replicating that is impossible. Whether Lebby has that leadership is yet to be seen but this upcoming year will tell us all we need to know about what hes learned running a program.

[KB21]

Barnes has also coached with Durkin as well. Both at Florida and Maryland.

[Tater]

Lotta folks running with Durkin rumor as of now. From my understanding we've had more conversation and contact with Muschamp. And I can confirm that it was us checking in and him politely declining. So don't run with this that either are serious contenders yet.

Not ruling out Durkin, but the narrative from him seems to totally be from OM spin about how State could flip a 5* DB. Nothing at all to do with the fact we paid market value AND have glaring holes, I mean excuse me, opportunities to start in our secondary from day 1. From what I've been told - this merry flipmas has been in the works for months and would have happened even if Durkin was named HC. (Hypothetical because we don't know Durkin's counter - but Auburn would have had to pony up more than they were.)

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lotta folks running with Durkin rumor as of now. From my understanding we've had more conversation and contact with Muschamp. And I can confirm that it was us checking in and him politely declining. So don't run with this that either are serious contenders yet.

Not ruling out Durkin, but the narrative from him seems to totally be from OM spin about how State could flip a 5* DB. Nothing at all to do with the fact we paid market value AND have glaring holes, I mean excuse me, opportunities to start in our secondary from day 1. From what I've been told - this merry flipmas has been in the works for months and would have happened even if Durkin was named HC. (Hypothetical because we don't know Durkin's counter - but Auburn would have had to pony up more than they were.)

That is correct. There was a truck that was promised and was never delivered. At that point, we saw an opening and one particular booster got us back in the game, s/o Heath.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just talked to someone in the know at TCU, the Briles stuff is real. There is a lot of concern on their side that he is headed to Starkville.

[KB21]

Just talked to someone in the know at TCU, the Briles stuff is real. There is a lot of concern on their side that he is headed to Starkville.

If they are doing that, they better do it soon. Because Briles is a guy that Ole Miss may be after to maintain some offensive continuity.

[StarkVegasSteve]

If they are doing that, they better do it soon. Because Briles is a guy that Ole Miss may be after to maintain some offensive continuity.

If he is coming to MS, it will be to coach with his brother in law.

[Tater]

If he is coming to MS, it will be to coach with his brother in law.

Yep. As with everything else this carousel (and in general) news that is positive out of ole miss is just wishcasting and not really founded in reality. It's been hilarious to see every bit of positive news for them be proven false time and time again. As cancerous as it is, tiger droppings gave me good entertainment tracking and seeing them fall flat on their face.

[Coursesuper]

Just talked to someone in the know at TCU, the Briles stuff is real. There is a lot of concern on their side that he is headed to Starkville.

Time line?

[Todd4State]

At MSU we are hell bent on having Kendall Briles as our OC and DJ Durkin as our DC.

And I wouldn't mind that one bit.

[msstate7]

At MSU we are hell bent on having Kendall Briles as our OC and DJ Durkin as our DC.

And I wouldn't mind that one bit.

It would be a massive haul.

[Thick]

Count me all in on that haul as well

[StarkVegasSteve]

Time line?

We will get through signing day and they will get through their bowl game but after that I would think we see a hire pretty soon.

[Tater]

At MSU we are hell bent on having Kendall Briles as our OC and DJ Durkin as our DC.

And I wouldn't mind that one bit.

Again Durkin is fans wishcasting and OM spin to downplay the fact State flipped a 5* and got its best recruit since Simmons. It's also setting us up for disappointment if we don't get Durkin.

We lose the ****ing press conference to them every time. Please don't fall for it.

And as tight-lipped as most things are, I think we've plugged a lot of leaks in the program from what we had setup with Arnett. I like what we're doing on that front and what that can mean long-term even if that means short-term we're gonna have to be a little patient. I have no other news that's shareable beyond that currently.

Edit: do not take this as ruling Durkin out. Take this as - the conversations there haven't seriously begun. there's no rush to hire a DC before 1/1 (though it likely gets resolved before then). guys are shopping around and some want to be HC which means some will settle for being a DC. having a revolving door of DC promotions every year is not a bad thing so we're hunting for a riser not a settler.

[Bubb Rubb]

Don't dismiss the possibility of Hutzler being reassigned to special teams coach.

[TrapGame]

The Durkin to State rumor is on the Auburn message boards. Their insiders have responded that it is a genuine possibility.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The Durkin to State rumor is on the Auburn message boards. Their insiders have responded that it is a genuine possibility.

Durkin is not going to be at Auburn

[Maroon Glasses]

Durkin is not going to be at Auburn

I think you read it wrong Sails. He is saying the Auburn boards are saying Durkin to us.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I think you read it wrong Sails. He is saying the Auburn boards are saying Durkin to us.

I went to their board, and there is talk. But what's interesting is fans are posting reactions by players. And 2 defensive line guys are not happy tonight. So I am 75% sure Durkin is gone. I think we have a shot at him too.

[Maroon Glasses]

I went to their board, and there is talk. But what's interesting is fans are posting reactions by players. And 2 defensive line guys are not happy tonight. So I am 75% sure Durkin is gone. I think we have a shot at him too.

It would be massive if we managed to get him.. I wanna say I read on Twitter earlier today that Golesh had already brought in a couple defensive assistants. Maybe I'm wrong there.. but if he has, then I would think Durkin is gone. A DC usually gets there own guys.

[Maroon Glasses]

Kentucky hired Stein to be its next HC. Might not be a bad get. Hard to tell for me since he has so many offensive weapons at Oregon. Seems like anybody can score with those guys and the defenses they play against.

[DownwardDawg]

It would be a massive haul.

Which is why I'm not getting my hopes up. That's just out of our league good. Lol

[Tater]

Twas quiet the night before flipmas

[bigplayslay]

Twas quiet the night before flipmas

White?

[BlackSailsDawg]

Twas quiet the night before flipmas

It's kinda weird. If Durkin is staying, you would think they want that out there NOW. And I get that you think it's an ole miss ploy. I don't buy into those types of things because I'm not going to be mad or depressed if it's not Durkin. We are going to get an upgrade.

[Chuck3124]

I?ve heard both Durkin is staying and he?s coming to State. As well as he?s just finishing out the recruiting class with them and coming here like he did with aTm before going to Auburn. Which is it? Lol

[Brobi-wan]

It's kinda weird. If Durkin is staying, you would think they want that out there NOW. And I get that you think it's an ole miss ploy. I don't buy into those types of things because I'm not going to be mad or depressed if it's not Durkin. We are going to get an upgrade.

Yeah, same thought process for me. If we have a middle of the pack defense next year and a competent O line we could be big game hunting

[Tater]

I?ve heard both Durkin is staying and he?s coming to State. As well as he?s just finishing out the recruiting class with them and coming here like he did with aTm before going to Auburn. Which is it? Lol

You know what... your account has 139 posts in 5.5 years and like 20 of them are Durkin to DC.

You seem like a pretty clear case of astroturfing to me. Go be a ReBearSquirrelSharkLaneKiffinsDogActuallyTheUniver sitysDog on their board where you got this rumor and wouldn't shut up about it even though the most in the know posters for State are telling you it's wrong.

[msudawglb]

I?ve heard both Durkin is staying and he?s coming to State. As well as he?s just finishing out the recruiting class with them and coming here like he did with aTm before going to Auburn. Which is it? Lol

as of about 30 minutes ago, Auburn and media is reporting that he is staying.

[Tater]

Folks who have PMd me - clean out your inboxes.

[Chuck3124]

You know what... your account has 139 posts in 5.5 years and like 20 of them are Durkin to DC.

You seem like a pretty clear case of astroturfing to me. Go be a ReBearSquirrelSharkLaneKiffinsDogActuallyTheUniver sitysDog on their board where you got this rumor and wouldn't shut up about it even though the most in the know posters for State are telling you it's wrong.

Well Tater I really hate burst your bubble here, but you?re absolutely wrong bud. Been a state fan my whole 34 years walking this earth. Sorry I ask questions because I read more than one site and don?t post all that often here. So you can take your accusations of me being an OM fan and shove it. Literally was being told by other people that I trust we were in it as well as seeing here we weren?t. I just wanted clarification. Jesus H I don?t troll that?s for the birds

[Coursesuper]

Folks who have PMd me - clean out your inboxes.

Done

[StarkVegasSteve]

Two names I feel decently comfortable reporting that we are pursuing, read that again because I did not say we are hiring either but PURSUING, is Brent Pry and Justin Wilcox.

[SteelCurtain74]

Two names I feel decently comfortable reporting that we are pursuing, read that again because I did not say we are hiring either but PURSUING, is Brent Pry and Justin Wilcox.

Is Franklin not adding Pry to his staff at Va. Tech? There's been speculation that Franklin landed at VA. Tech because of Pry and Franklin thanked him in his press conference. I know they go back to his Vanderbilt days.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is Franklin not adding Pry to his staff at Va. Tech? There's been speculation that Franklin landed at VA. Tech because of Pry and Franklin thanked him in his press conference. I know they go back to his Vanderbilt days.

Well since he replaced Pry, I highly doubt.

[CaptainObvious]

Brandon Bailey is now available for DC. Clay Helton at Georgia Southern fired him!

[Brobi-wan]

Two names I feel decently comfortable reporting that we are pursuing, read that again because I did not say we are hiring either but PURSUING, is Brent Pry and Justin Wilcox.

I’m not really familiar with either of these two. Who would be the better hire?

[Really Clark?]

Brandon Bailey is now available for DC. Clay Helton at Georgia Southern fired him!

Did you forget these ***?

[Really Clark?]

I’m not really familiar with either of these two. Who would be the better hire?

They both have coached great to elite defenses as DC. It's just been a lot longer since Wilcox has run a defense only. His last year at Wisconsin the were Top 5 in scoring. Pry's last year at Penn St they were Top 10

[CaptainObvious]

Did you forget these ***?

If Hutzler is our other choice, nope! He has to be better than Hutz. But at least Helton recognized the need to fire his under achieving DC even though they did make a Bowl Game.

[confucius say]

White?

No. Not happening. Efforting Matthews and Nickerson and Cooley. We will see.

[Really Clark?]

If Hutzler is our other choice, nope! He has to be better than Hutz. But at least Helton recognized the need to fire his under achieving DC even though they did make a Bowl Game.

Hutzler had a better defense than him in total and scoring this year. They were almost dead last in Division I.

[mo7888]

Two names I feel decently comfortable reporting that we are pursuing, read that again because I did not say we are hiring either but PURSUING, is Brent Pry and Justin Wilcox.

I'd be extremely happy with Pry..

[Todd4State]

I'd be extremely happy with Pry..

Me too. Would not have any complaints about either one.

[TrapGame]

Brent Pry would be a home run. His defenses at Penn State were really good.

[Todd4State]

It may be a coincidence that we are looking at DC's who have head coaching experience? Also noted that Pry runs a 4 man front.

[Coursesuper]

It may be a coincidence that we are looking at DC's who have head coaching experience? Also noted that Pry runs a 4 man front.

One thing that you are missing, coaches have to evaluate what personnel they have to run a specific scheme, but most defenses today are multiple anyway.

[Tater]

Twas quiet the night before flipmas

Well that was fun. Having a better recruiting class than OM when you know they're going to get raided in the portal is comedic.

[Dawgology]

Well that was fun. Having a better recruiting class than OM when you know they're going to get raided in the portal is comedic.

I’m assuming they know and are expecting this. They only signed 16 today so I guess they are planning on going deep into the transfer portal anyway? Just seems like a really light class.

[KB21]

Does anyone have any names that have been added/are looking to be added to the scouting staff?

Another topic that needs to be discussed is the situation with the handlers in the state. In particular Lawrence Hopkins. The handlers aren't going away. How do we build the relationship we need with Hopkins and the other handlers so they will stop pushing players to out of state schools?

[bigplayslay]

I’m assuming they know and are expecting this. They only signed 16 today so I guess they are planning on going deep into the transfer portal anyway? Just seems like a really light class.

You haven't heard? Portal Pete, man. He's always been the key.

Which checks out, since they were prepared to pay Lane $13M/year

[Brobi-wan]

You haven't heard? Portal Pete, man. He's always been the key.

Which checks out, since they were prepared to pay Lane $13M/year

Lmao

[Tater]

I was told Briles is shopping more than just SCar. But that's from OU / people in Dallas. Not getting shit out of State people which I personally like longterm but has me antsy right now lmao.

[Tater]

Well if that doesn't tell you how tight lipped this ship has been.

[Mjoelner34]

BUMP to get back on the front page.

[Tater]

BUMP to get back on the front page.

I was literally editing it and then gonna bump and ask folks for updates. Thanks!

What are we hearing on assistants

[Mjoelner34]

Was Hutzler offered STC or just shown the door?

[Coursesuper]

Was Hutzler offered STC or just shown the door?

We just don't know.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I was told Briles is shopping more than just SCar. But that's from OU / people in Dallas. Not getting shit out of State people which I personally like longterm but has me antsy right now lmao.

I think we have some of the same sources in Dallas.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Was Hutzler offered STC or just shown the door?

I've been led to believe he was not offered the STC job. I don't have any way to independently confirm that and I doubt we'll never fully know. I know that was a likely option with Durkin and a couple of other candidates.

[KB21]

I was told Briles is shopping more than just SCar. But that's from OU / people in Dallas. Not getting shit out of State people which I personally like longterm but has me antsy right now lmao.

FWIW, Lebby offered Kendal Briles's son, who is a WR prospect.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just an FYI, saw it on the other site and confirmed it with someone else, Bumphis is gone. Looks to be taking a job with Mullen. This was not entirely or wholly his decision.

[Chuck3124]

Bump going to UNLV with Mullen? Someone mentioned this just a bit ago in a group chat I?m in. Just curious if that actually is happening

[Chuck3124]

Bump going to UNLV with Mullen? Someone mentioned this just a bit ago in a group chat I?m in. Just curious if that actually is happening


Never mind this was answered while posting thanks

[Chuck3124]

Just an FYI, saw it on the other site and confirmed it with someone else, Bumphis is gone. Looks to be taking a job with Mullen. This was not entirely or wholly his decision.

Was he told to look elsewhere? Find it odd if it was not entirely or wholly his decision

[StarkVegasSteve]

And now that offensive staff spot has been opened...........

[Really Clark?]

Just an FYI, saw it on the other site and confirmed it with someone else, Bumphis is gone. Looks to be taking a job with Mullen. This was not entirely or wholly his decision.

Yeah, not sure about this one either. He better have someone lined up and an upgrade. No movement on Bell but Bump instead...don't see the vision yet coach.

ETA. Unless there's a package deal with Kelly or Coleman with Kendall?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Was he told to look elsewhere? Find it odd if it was not entirely or wholly his decision

Not directly or outright but yea he was. Look Chad was a hell of player and he has honestly exceeded my expectations as a coach, but he has a lot to learn as a talent evaluator and developer. Lebby has now bailed him out two straight years with getting Coleman, Thompson, and Evans. I guess you can give Chad credit for Craver but he wanted Craver gone before November last year. Here are the receivers Chad has gotten us:

Jordan Mosley
Braylon Burnside
JJ Harrell
Sanfrisco Magee
Rickey Johnson
Markus Allen
Cam Thompson
Jaron Glover
Davian Jackson
Mario Craver
AJ Lewis
Isaiah Mitchell
Ferzell Shephard
Ayden Williams(kind of)

Here's the receivers Lebby has gotten us:

Kevin Coleman
Brennen Thompson
Anthony Evans
Ayden Williams(kind of)
Gracen Harris


The results kind of speak for themselves. Lebby has gotten talented guys and Chad hasn't and hasn't developed the guys he's gotten. Like I said, I like Chad and he has honestly exceeded my expectations because I don't think he's been a bad position coach. I think Ayden got better under him. But we keep waiting for Magee, Johnson, Mosley, Glover, etc to break out and they never do. At a certain point, fair or unfair, that falls on the coach.

[Coursesuper]

And now that offensive staff spot has been opened...........

I see where your going now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I see where your going now.

Not saying it's for sure happening but we needed to open a spot.

[Todd4State]

Just an FYI, saw it on the other site and confirmed it with someone else, Bumphis is gone. Looks to be taking a job with Mullen. This was not entirely or wholly his decision.

Oh wow. That is a surprise.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And I'll add this to the Chad stuff, fair or not, he was kept almost solely because Lebby and Co were told he would deliver Caleb Cunningham......and he didn't. He didn't. We gave him another year and he again didn't get any high quality receivers, which shouldn't be difficult in this offense. I think at a certain point, the HC says, "Well hell, I'm getting all your playmakers. What do I need you for?"

And for the people trying to give Chad credit for Coleman, Thompson, and Evans. Just stop. He didn't develop them. They were damn good when they got here.

[KB21]

I would think Duby becomes the WR coach now. Seems like he has been doing most of the recruiting lately for WRs as well.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would think Duby becomes the WR coach now. Seems like he has been doing most of the recruiting lately for WRs as well.

I have no clue. Benton does do a lot of recruiting at that position. I wonder if this is not we're kicking Holocek to WR and pairing him with Benton and then bringing an OC to be the QB coach as well. I could be wrong though. We could be going to get a long rumored hire, over like 3 staffs, in Jacob Peeler. You could go get him and probably give him PGC title and give Tucker RGC and do it that way with Lebby still calling plays.

Also, Chad's contract runs out in a month so we probably just aren't renewing.

[Todd4State]

And I'll add this to the Chad stuff, fair or not, he was kept almost solely because Lebby and Co were told he would deliver Caleb Cunningham......and he didn't. He didn't. We gave him another year and he again didn't get any high quality receivers, which shouldn't be difficult in this offense. I think at a certain point, the HC says, "Well hell, I'm getting all your playmakers. What do I need you for?"

And for the people trying to give Chad credit for Coleman, Thompson, and Evans. Just stop. He didn't develop them. They were damn good when they got here.

Well one thing is for sure. Lebby is definitely doing things his own way without a doubt.

[Todd4State]

I have no clue. Benton does do a lot of recruiting at that position. I wonder if this is not we're kicking Holocek to WR and pairing him with Benton and then bringing an OC to be the QB coach as well. I could be wrong though. We could be going to get a long rumored hire, over like 3 staffs, in Jacob Peeler. You could go get him and probably give him PGC title and give Tucker RGC and do it that way with Lebby still calling plays.

Also, Chad's contract runs out in a month so we probably just aren't renewing.

Kendal Briles has experience coaching WR's. Just saying.

[Maroon Glasses]

Not directly or outright but yea he was. Look Chad was a hell of player and he has honestly exceeded my expectations as a coach, but he has a lot to learn as a talent evaluator and developer. Lebby has now bailed him out two straight years with getting Coleman, Thompson, and Evans. I guess you can give Chad credit for Craver but he wanted Craver gone before November last year. Here are the receivers Chad has gotten us:

Jordan Mosley
Braylon Burnside
JJ Harrell
Sanfrisco Magee
Rickey Johnson
Markus Allen
Cam Thompson
Jaron Glover
Davian Jackson
Mario Craver
AJ Lewis
Isaiah Mitchell
Ferzell Shephard
Ayden Williams(kind of)

Here's the receivers Lebby has gotten us:

Kevin Coleman
Brennen Thompson
Anthony Evans
Ayden Williams(kind of)
Gracen Harris


The results kind of speak for themselves. Lebby has gotten talented guys and Chad hasn't and hasn't developed the guys he's gotten. Like I said, I like Chad and he has honestly exceeded my expectations because I don't think he's been a bad position coach. I think Ayden got better under him. But we keep waiting for Magee, Johnson, Mosley, Glover, etc to break out and they never do. At a certain point, fair or unfair, that falls on the coach.

Well... when you break it down like that... no arguments from me. Lol very valid points. The results say otherwise about my perception of him.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well... when you break it down like that... no arguments from me. Lol very valid points. The results say otherwise about my perception of him.

Here is why I do not necessarily agree with firing him. I have no problem with letting Bump go. If he was not a former player, no one would give a rats ass. My hang up is that it seems like Chad is being held to a different standard. His group has not been bad. He has not developed or recruited great but his group has not been bad. Corey Bell has the worst group on the field outside of one player and Bell cannot recruit and sucks at development. So why is Corey Bell still here.

[Maroon Glasses]

Here is why I do not necessarily agree with firing him. I have no problem with letting Bump go. If he was not a former player, no one would give a rats ass. My hang up is that it seems like Chad is being held to a different standard. His group has not been bad. He has not developed or recruited great but his group has not been bad. Corey Bell has the worst group on the field outside of one player and Bell cannot recruit and sucks at development. So why is Corey Bell still here.

I was actually going to bring that up in my previous post and didn't.

It blows my mind how Bell is still employed. He should have been let go right after the Egg Bowl. I thought Bump has done a decent job recruiting (not great) but it does seem the development is lacking. And I'm not saying it is all his fault. I mean... when you pay an 18 year old 300k (just using a number) what does that tell him? Maybe they have money now and stop working at getting better.

And Im just throwing a scenario out there. I'm not saying that's the case. Maybe Bump does have a hard time developing them. But his group is tremendously better than Bells. And I can't emphasize tremendously better enough. If Jones wasn't such a freak that probably doesn't even have to be coached much, Bell would have nobody. I don't understand why he is here.

[Todd4State]

Here is why I do not necessarily agree with firing him. I have no problem with letting Bump go. If he was not a former player, no one would give a rats ass. My hang up is that it seems like Chad is being held to a different standard. His group has not been bad. He has not developed or recruited great but his group has not been bad. Corey Bell has the worst group on the field outside of one player and Bell cannot recruit and sucks at development. So why is Corey Bell still here.

Good point about Bell. And no, keeping Kelly Jones isn't a good reason to keep him around.

[KB21]

https://x.com/jaytn_briles/status/1997375521047330915?s=20

Link to Jaytn Briles announcing his offer.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Good point about Bell. And no, keeping Kelly Jones isn't a good reason to keep him around.

And that's why I can't truly believe that's the reason we're keeping him. I personally do not believe we will and it will be the shock of the century if we do. It would also be stupid. If we can him, Kelley goes pro. And if we keep him, Kelley still may go pro.

[Todd4State]

And that's why I can't truly believe that's the reason we're keeping him. I personally do not believe we will and it will be the shock of the century if we do. It would also be stupid. If we can him, Kelley goes pro. And if we keep him, Kelley still may go pro.

Exactly. I don't think Jones would or should base whether he comes back or not that much on whether we retain his position coach or not. At least he shouldn't.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Sounding like this isn't the only move we are making on offense. Holocek could be moving on as well.

[Coursesuper]

Sounding like this isn't the only move we are making on offense. Holocek could be moving on as well.

This could be coming into focus now.

[KB21]

Just to point out, Kendal Briles has not yet been hired by South Carolina.

[KB21]

As bad as I hate bringing back Arnett, it would be an interesting turn of events to actually end up with Arnett and Briles as your coordinators under Jeff Lebby considering how close things actually came to Briles being a part of Arnett's staff in 2023.

[Coach34]

Exactly. I don't think Jones would or should base whether he comes back or not that much on whether we retain his position coach or not. At least he shouldn't.

position coaches are huge in the retainment of players- same as a hitting coach or pitching coach would be. I think he's 2nd round at worst and going to leave regardless tho. However we could potentially NIL him to stay or work for Round 1

[StarkVegasSteve]

Just to point out, Kendal Briles has not yet been hired by South Carolina.

Almost like he was waiting on something to come into focus......but hell what do I know. I'm no Ronnie Scoops.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yeah, not sure about this one either. He better have someone lined up and an upgrade. No movement on Bell but Bump instead...don't see the vision yet coach.

ETA. Unless there's a package deal with Kelly or Coleman with Kendall?

I think it's more of a recruiting issue.

[Coursesuper]

Yeah, not sure about this one either. He better have someone lined up and an upgrade. No movement on Bell but Bump instead...don't see the vision yet coach.

ETA. Unless there's a package deal with Kelly or Coleman with Kendall?

We really don't know much about any of this, this crew keeps their mouth shut.

[BankerDog]

We really don't know much about any of this, this crew keeps their mouth shut.

Except one former member of the staff..

[Coursesuper]

Except one former member of the staff..

Yep.

[Brobi-wan]

I’m not super upset about a Bumphis firing. Neither am I thrilled about it. Odd move, but could be a good one if we upgrade. If you’re an optimist, Arnett is an upgrade over Coleman. Might as well choose to believe the same will happen here.

[parabrave]

Exactly. I don't think Jones would or should base whether he comes back or not that much on whether we retain his position coach or not. At least he shouldn't.

Jones needs to go Pro now and i wouldn't hold it against him if he opted out. And edited to add that Jerry Jones do something smart somehow get him with one of those 1st round draft picks

[StarkVegasSteve]

Jones needs to go Pro now and i wouldn't hold it against him if he opted out.

Not one bit. And if the stuff about retaining Bell to hang on to Jones is true, I want him to go pro.

[Maroon Glasses]

Jones needs to go Pro now and i wouldn't hold it against him if he opted out.

Agreed. Last I seen he was projected a top 3 cb in upcoming draft. This was before the EB. I figure he will go to the NFL, but never know. It would be huge if he stayed.

I wouldn't blame him for going pro. I'm not big on players opting out tho. Although I do understand why they do it.

[msstate7]

Agreed. Last I seen he was projected a top 3 cb in upcoming draft. This was before the EB. I figure he will go to the NFL, but never know. It would be huge if he stayed.

I wouldn't blame him for going pro. I'm not big on players opting out tho. Although I do understand why they do it.

If that's the projection at a premium position, yes, sit out and go pro. Anyone that's on the nfl bubble or playing a non-premium position should consider playing college until they can't these days.

[Brobi-wan]

Agreed. Last I seen he was projected a top 3 cb in upcoming draft. This was before the EB. I figure he will go to the NFL, but never know. It would be huge if he stayed.

I wouldn't blame him for going pro. I'm not big on players opting out tho. Although I do understand why they do it.

I’m not big on opt out. He could be a big time player and we’re 5-7. I wouldn’t blame him tbh

[Tater]

Hearing that OC hire will replace Holocek. Reading tea leaves says Briles (he hasn't signed with SCar yet) but no one out right saying yes it's him.

WR hires have some names floating around that I'm unsure if they're just wishcasting or serious. Spurrier Jr., Derrick Nix, Malcolm Kelly. I have low confidence in these but these have been floated.

McPhee sounds all but confirmed on DL. Brock sounds like a sure thing. Jett Johnson sounds like a sure thing. But not confirming until pen to paper.

The problem with Bell is who is going to replace him. We need to get someone who makes big swings in the portal. Otherwise we're going 2016 style with the shootouts all year. Arnett or not.

[BigDawg81]

Are we going to hire Derrick Nix?

[KB21]

Hearing that OC hire will replace Holocek. Reading tea leaves says Briles (he hasn't signed with SCar yet) but no one out right saying yes it's him.

WR hires have some names floating around that I'm unsure if they're just wishcasting or serious. Spurrier Jr., Derrick Nix, Malcolm Kelly. I have low confidence in these but these have been floated.

McPhee sounds all but confirmed on DL. Brock sounds like a sure thing. Jett Johnson sounds like a sure thing. But not confirming until pen to paper.

The problem with Bell is who is going to replace him. We need to get someone who makes big swings in the portal. Otherwise we're going 2016 style with the shootouts all year. Arnett or not.

I would take such pleasure in seeing Spurrier Jr be the one that replaces Bumphis.

[BigDawg81]

Kevie Thompson secondary coach ?

[KB21]

Yep

https://x.com/_coachkthompson/status/1998184511595794577?s=46&t=boMwTsd5d1vappV0mJtn8g

[BigDawg81]

Yep

https://x.com/_coachkthompson/status/1998184511595794577?s=46&t=boMwTsd5d1vappV0mJtn8g

Inexperienced at this level but seems like a good recruiter.

[KB21]

It looks like he's going to be an assistant DB's coach. Steve Robertson continues to say Corey Bell is expected to be retained.

[KB21]

Outside of Briles, there just aren't many names that would make sense to hire as an offensive coordinator. It would have to be someone who runs Lebby's scheme. There aren't many of them. There is Dino Babers, who is the OC at Arizona now. Phillip Montgomery, who was recently with Virginia Tech. There is Kevin Decker from Old Dominion.

[BigDawg81]

I’m not for Bell to get retained but has to be for recruiting which makes sense of this hire.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Hearing that OC hire will replace Holocek. Reading tea leaves says Briles (he hasn't signed with SCar yet) but no one out right saying yes it's him.

WR hires have some names floating around that I'm unsure if they're just wishcasting or serious. Spurrier Jr., Derrick Nix, Malcolm Kelly. I have low confidence in these but these have been floated.

McPhee sounds all but confirmed on DL. Brock sounds like a sure thing. Jett Johnson sounds like a sure thing. But not confirming until pen to paper.

The problem with Bell is who is going to replace him. We need to get someone who makes big swings in the portal. Otherwise we're going 2016 style with the shootouts all year. Arnett or not.

Matt Holecek....go look for his social media account. :)

Plot thickens

[Thick]

Well?..what does it say that would thicken the plot?

[Coach34]

I?m not for Bell to get retained but has to be for recruiting which makes sense of this hire.

Why? Explain to me in Bell's coaching exactly what you disagree with? What is Bell teaching that isnt working?

[TrapGame]

Matt Holecek....go look for his social media account. :)

Plot thickens


Well?..what does it say that would thicken the plot?

Thick wants to know what is thickening.

Me too.

[Coursesuper]

Why? Explain to me in Bell's coaching exactly what you disagree with? What is Bell teaching that isnt working?

Kinda have to agree here one guy that can play is really good on one side the other side that has scrubs get torched on the reg. The difference is SEC player and not.

[Coach34]

We may hire an OC- but much like with Mullen- Lebby is still going to call plays. He will likely just have the OC to watch more of the film and do the breakdowns so he doesnt have to

[StarkVegasSteve]

Hearing that OC hire will replace Holocek. Reading tea leaves says Briles (he hasn't signed with SCar yet) but no one out right saying yes it's him.

WR hires have some names floating around that I'm unsure if they're just wishcasting or serious. Spurrier Jr., Derrick Nix, Malcolm Kelly. I have low confidence in these but these have been floated.

McPhee sounds all but confirmed on DL. Brock sounds like a sure thing. Jett Johnson sounds like a sure thing. But not confirming until pen to paper.

The problem with Bell is who is going to replace him. We need to get someone who makes big swings in the portal. Otherwise we're going 2016 style with the shootouts all year. Arnett or not.

1. We have consistently heard the same on Holocek and the potential OC spot. If it is Kendall, and I get slightly more confident in that by the day, then I would imagine they will wait until after AT LEAST TCU’s bowl game on the 30th til an announcement is made. Although Steve could try to ruin it like last time and get a nice raise for Kendall somewhere.

2. Derrick Nix has gained a lot of traction since around lunch with the people I have spoken with in regards to the WR opening. He would be a huge get for Lebby and a MASSIVE upgrade over Bumphis.

3. Pernell is gaining a lot of steam but I would not call that done quite yet. I do still think it gets done and he is the DL coach next year. Brock is basically confirmed as the new LB coach. Jett will be a GA.

4. The only name I have heard on the CB job with any type of seriousness has been Pat Surtain Jr. I know Arnett really liked him at FSU. He also would keep that Miami pipeline for us in recruiting at that position. I do still think it is possible that Bell stays as well.

[Coach34]

Kinda have to agree here one guy that can play is really good on one side the other side that has scrubs get torched on the reg. The difference is SEC player and not.

and thats what I keep screaming. Way to much worrying about coaches and not enough about talent. Buying talent and evaluations will decide us moving forward

[Tater]

Dude just ****ing post things instead of not linking it. I'm off twitter personally and have stayed off it all year - I'm not crawling back in to find it.

[KB21]

New OC and QB Coach

https://www.clarionledger.com/gcdn/presto/2018/08/11/PJAM/1ce0d9f4-1aa0-41cb-b8d6-ee5bda348bfe-moorhead.JPG?width=660&height=444&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp

[bigplayslay]

Dude just ****ing post things instead of not linking it. I'm off twitter personally and have stayed off it all year - I'm not crawling back in to find it.

Just looks like the account has been deleted.

[BigDawg81]

and thats what I keep screaming. Way to much worrying about coaches and not enough about talent. Buying talent and evaluations will decide us moving forward
Who has he recruited? Kelley Jones is not his. That’s not his.

[KB21]

https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1998219636958216681?s=20

Well, it isn't Briles.

[mparkerfd20]

It ain't Briles. ESPN ticker to South Carolina

[BigDawg81]

1. We have consistently heard the same on Holocek and the potential OC spot. If it is Kendall, and I get slightly more confident in that by the day, then I would imagine they will wait until after AT LEAST TCU?s bowl game on the 30th til an announcement is made. Although Steve could try to ruin it like last time and get a nice raise for Kendall somewhere.

2. Derrick Nix has gained a lot of traction since around lunch with the people I have spoken with in regards to the WR opening. He would be a huge get for Lebby and a MASSIVE upgrade over Bumphis.

3. Pernell is gaining a lot of steam but I would not call that done quite yet. I do still think it gets done and he is the DL coach next year. Brock is basically confirmed as the new LB coach. Jett will be a GA.

4. The only name I have heard on the CB job with any type of seriousness has been Pat Surtain Jr. I know Arnett really liked him at FSU. He also would keep that Miami pipeline for us in recruiting at that position. I do still think it is possible that Bell stays as well.
Then I got a ESPN notification saying that Briles is finalizing a deal with South Carolina. Haha

[Tater]

1. We have consistently heard the same on Holocek and the potential OC spot. If it is Kendall, and I get slightly more confident in that by the day, then I would imagine they will wait until after AT LEAST TCU’s bowl game on the 30th til an announcement is made. Although Steve could try to ruin it like last time and get a nice raise for Kendall somewhere.

2. Derrick Nix has gained a lot of traction since around lunch with the people I have spoken with in regards to the WR opening. He would be a huge get for Lebby and a MASSIVE upgrade over Bumphis.

3. Pernell is gaining a lot of steam but I would not call that done quite yet. I do still think it gets done and he is the DL coach next year. Brock is basically confirmed as the new LB coach. Jett will be a GA.

4. The only name I have heard on the CB job with any type of seriousness has been Pat Surtain Jr. I know Arnett really liked him at FSU. He also would keep that Miami pipeline for us in recruiting at that position. I do still think it is possible that Bell stays as well.

1. That's my cryptic read into it. Part of us being tight lipped. Edit - well I'm wrong. So much for wishcasting myself smh.

2. Feels weird compared to the rest of these coaching searches how much his name exploded. But then again the WR coach news was mostly hush hush "known but don't say anything" until it started leaking around before. Read into why that might be if you will.

3. Fair on Pernell - I'm basically putting my hope on it. Brock as LB feels done-ish, and yea I don't have a spot for Jett as a GA to roll on but he's hopefully a great teacher because he ain't got talent but he could play. Shows that teaching makes a difference.

4. As we're seeing with Safeties coach - we aren't getting our pick of the litter. And 34 pointed out the big thing. SEC player vs. non-SEC player. His style of coaching and what we'll ask of corners on an island to do will work... if they are talented freaking corners. So can coach the ones who belong at this level, burnt toast however is just burnt toast no matter the coach. Optics are going to be brutal if Bell is retained / Bumphis leaves. But - Lebby should just have one more year to prove it, right? So does this decision make it any hotter of a seat (I know we think the 3 year DC contract means something against that but how much is it to buyout after next year?)

[Coursesuper]

and thats what I keep screaming. Way to much worrying about coaches and not enough about talent. Buying talent and evaluations will decide us moving forward

It’s tough to scheme around no talent, the egg bowl should have been evidence enough, they picked on anyone not named Jones every time we got singled up and it paid off.

[Coach34]

Who has he recruited? Kelley Jones is not his. That’s not his.

thats my point. Its about the talent we bring in. We got to spend. Who we have as coaches dont matter to me. Just like I wont know very many of the names of our players.

Alot of shit just doesnt matter anymore. Its just alot of minutia and dolla bills. Car salesman shit

[BigDawg81]

Grabbing a backup CB from Kennesaw State and a Memphis player in the portal will do it to you on most days.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Welp….there goes Briles. Cross that one off the list.

[Coach34]

Welp….there goes Briles. Cross that one off the list.

So what? Never for a second thought it was happening. Lebbo is going to run the O.

[Jarius]

thats my point. Its about the talent we bring in. We got to spend. Who we have as coaches dont matter to me. Just like I wont know very many of the names of our players.

Alot of shit just doesnt matter anymore. Its just alot of minutia and dolla bills. Car salesman shit

Of course it matters. Money is even on both sides a lot of the time and we have coaches that have been losing those type battles regularly. Now a lot of that is because we went 2-10 and no one with other options would choose to come here unless we vastly overspent, but recruiting definitely still matters. Acting like teams are just going to the grocery store and picking out ingredients instead of recruiting is not true most of the time. There are instances of that for sure but we are largely just getting our a$$es whipped in the living room.

[Maroon Glasses]

Or... Is Jones just that good? I played with 2 guys who played in the MLB. 1 still is and has been for 8+ years now. And let me tell you that when it's God given... you don't have to be coached. These 2 guys were the most "no practice" guys on the team, but they just had God given ability to play the game. One of them had D-1 offers in all 3 sports. Actually committed to Mississippi State in those 3 sports, Billy Hamilton. And he will tell you to this day that he wish he would have practiced harder at the start of his MLB career. Cause he sure didn't practice hard until about 4 years in. He had things you can't teach.

I think Kelly is just a freak. God has blessed him with the ability to line up, don't even stretch, and probably cover anybody. So I wouldn't bet my coaching career on 1 guy being an absolute stud and hanging on to Bell if I'm Lebby. But that's just my take on it. He has all the things you can't teach. Speed, length, reaction, burst, etc. You're not gonna go buy many Kelly Jones in the portal cause there isn't any.

[Tater]

Or... Is Jones just that good? I played with 2 guys who played in the MLB. 1 still is and has been for 8+ years now. And let me tell you that when it's God given... you don't have to be coached. These 2 guys were the most "no practice" guys on the team, but they just had God given ability to play the game. One of them had D-1 offers in all 3 sports. Actually committed to Mississippi State in those 3 sports, Billy Hamilton. And he will tell you to this day that he wish he would have practiced harder at the start of his MLB career. Cause he sure didn't practice hard until about 4 years in. He had things you can't teach.

I think Kelly is just a freak. God has blessed him with the ability to line up, don't even stretch, and probably cover anybody. So I wouldn't bet my coaching career on 1 guy being an absolute stud and hanging on to Bell if I'm Lebby. But that's just my take on it. He has all the things you can't teach. Speed, length, reaction, burst, etc. You're not gonna go buy many Kelly Jones in the portal cause there isn't any.

Yet he was only a 3*... he developed late in year 2. He's steadily gotten better since being on campus.

[Maroon Glasses]

Yet he was only a 3*... he developed late in year 2. He's steadily gotten better since being on campus.

True. Brumfield was also a 3 star. Most of our CB's are. But they aren't 6'4 with the ++athletic ability Jones has. But, out of high school they were dudes. It's just hard for me to believe that none of them have the talent to play at this level. I think it's more on the development side but by no means am I a coach or evaluator. Thats why Im just a fan lol

[Brobi-wan]

Or... Is Jones just that good? I played with 2 guys who played in the MLB. 1 still is and has been for 8+ years now. And let me tell you that when it's God given... you don't have to be coached. These 2 guys were the most "no practice" guys on the team, but they just had God given ability to play the game. One of them had D-1 offers in all 3 sports. Actually committed to Mississippi State in those 3 sports, Billy Hamilton. And he will tell you to this day that he wish he would have practiced harder at the start of his MLB career. Cause he sure didn't practice hard until about 4 years in. He had things you can't teach.

I think Kelly is just a freak. God has blessed him with the ability to line up, don't even stretch, and probably cover anybody. So I wouldn't bet my coaching career on 1 guy being an absolute stud and hanging on to Bell if I'm Lebby. But that's just my take on it. He has all the things you can't teach. Speed, length, reaction, burst, etc. You're not gonna go buy many Kelly Jones in the portal cause there isn't any.

I think he was a HS QB. Seems like a lot of good CBs have started there

[bulldawg28]

Jimmy's & Joe's definitely make the difference with any coach. However, if Bump was let go and didn't leave on his own Lebby just made another bone head decision.

[Todd4State]

Jimmy's & Joe's definitely make the difference with any coach. However, if Bump was let go and didn't leave on his own Lebby just made another bone head decision.

If Lebby told him to not leak team sensitive info to MSU fan site writers and he did after being warned not to Lebby had no choice.

[KB21]

The idea of Briles was great. I do not believe he is a better play caller than Jeff Lebby, but he is the only coach that I believe Jeff would give up play calling to get. It?s far more likely though that Jeff is dead against giving up play calling, and he shouldn?t give up play calling. His play calling is why he was hired, and we are in the era of play calling head coaches. Just about every offensive minded head coach calls his own plays.

Dan Mullen was never going to give up play calling either.

So, if Holocek is getting replaced, it will likely be by someone who knows the scheme and had head coaching experience to give Jeff a guy to lean on (Philip Montgomery) or an up and comer who wants the title and wants to learn from Jeff Lebby (Kevin Decker or someone like that).

At WR coach, Steve Spurrier Jr would be an excellent choice.

[AlSwearengen]

If Lebby told him to not leak team sensitive info to MSU fan site writers and he did after being warned not to Lebby had no choice.

Yeah, pretty simple. Hadad was on the radio yesterday trying to get ahead of any talk of him being the one that Bumphis had given any information too; assuming those rumors are true.

[gtowndawg]

If Lebby told him to not leak team sensitive info to MSU fan site writers and he did after being warned not to Lebby had no choice.


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[Pancho]

Yeah, pretty simple. Hadad was on the radio yesterday trying to get ahead of any talk of him being the one that Bumphis had given any information too; assuming those rumors are true.

Hadad wasn't the only one

[BankerDog]

True. Brumfield was also a 3 star. Most of our CB's are. But they aren't 6'4 with the ++athletic ability Jones has. But, out of high school they were dudes. It's just hard for me to believe that none of them have the talent to play at this level. I think it's more on the development side but by no means am I a coach or evaluator. Thats why Im just a fan lol

And had we actually been able to retain Brice Pollock, we?d have have two first rounders playing CB this year. And that?s the difference in two games.

Maybe Darcel knew a thing or two about recruiting..

[BankerDog]

The idea of Briles was great. I do not believe he is a better play caller than Jeff Lebby, but he is the only coach that I believe Jeff would give up play calling to get. It?s far more likely though that Jeff is dead against giving up play calling, and he shouldn?t give up play calling. His play calling is why he was hired, and we are in the era of play calling head coaches. Just about every offensive minded head coach calls his own plays.

Dan Mullen was never going to give up play calling either.

So, if Holocek is getting replaced, it will likely be by someone who knows the scheme and had head coaching experience to give Jeff a guy to lean on (Philip Montgomery) or an up and comer who wants the title and wants to learn from Jeff Lebby (Kevin Decker or someone like that).

At WR coach, Steve Spurrier Jr would be an excellent choice.

WR coach will either be Nix, Peeler, or Shay Hodge

[Pancho]

Are we serious with Nix or just a backup plan if the others fall thru?

[ZedFedder]

Shay Hodge cannot work for Miss State. I do not think that is going to be the case. If so, that is a huge misstep.

[Thick]

Jimmy's & Joe's definitely make the difference with any coach. However, if Bump was let go and didn't leave on his own Lebby just made another bone head decision.

Player development and missing on Caleb Cunningham were also a part of that decision!

[StarkVegasSteve]

Are we serious with Nix or just a backup plan if the others fall thru?

Nix would be a hell of an option. He'd be an improvement over Bumphis. He can recruit and develop. Hell 4 different OM HCs kept him because he's that damn good of a recruiter and developer.

[TrapGame]

Nix would be a hell of an option. He'd be an improvement over Bumphis. He can recruit and develop. Hell 4 different OM HCs kept him because he's that damn good of a recruiter and developer.

This.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I don't know that Derrick helps you with Caleb all that much but he may help you a WHOLE LOT with Cam Coleman.

[gtowndawg]

Nix would be a hell of an option. He'd be an improvement over Bumphis. He can recruit and develop. Hell 4 different OM HCs kept him because he's that damn good of a recruiter and developer.

Just 3 years ago we said this exact thing about David Turner. Will Nix come here and mail it in like Turner?

[Coursesuper]

WR coach will either be Nix, Peeler, or Shay Hodge

I'd say it's fairly apparent the direction we are moving, getting crooters in the building.

[KB21]

WR coach will either be Nix, Peeler, or Shay Hodge

Shay Hodge? Really? Lebby mining his previous connections when he was at Ole Miss. Was Nix on staff at OM with Lebby?

[Coursesuper]

Just 3 years ago we said this exact thing about David Turner. Will Nix come here and mail it in like Turner?

Y'all don't know how hard he was still working without knowing he had a job or not, he was AU's lead guy on Crosby and was at every playoff game that kid played. Relentless recruiter.

[KB21]

Answered my own question. Nix was on staff with Lebby.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I will say on Nix, Rosebowl does not believe he's a candidate. I've heard he was and there's a few others that have heard the same. Will he be the hire? I have zero clue. I had no clue we were firing Bumphis til yesterday and a guy on staff said it was not breaking news inside the walls of the Seal Building.

I know Derrick wants the USM head job but I don't think he gets it. Their AD REALLY wants Freeze and some of their boosters, the few they have, want Blake Anderson. I think Blake would take it so I don't think it would get to Derrick. I have no clue if Derrick would go back to OM. My guess and from what I've heard out of Oxford is that there's a possibility but they are looking elsewhere for now.

[bulldawg28]

Player development and missing on Caleb Cunningham were also a part of that decision!

Player development? The WR's have never been the problem under Bumphis. Also, Caleb Cunningham went to the highest bidder. That's not Bumphis fault. MSU has NEVER signed a 5 star WR in it's entire history and it's Bumphis' fault that history repeated itself.

[Thick]

Player development? The WR's have never been the problem under Bumphis. Also, Caleb Cunningham went to the highest bidder. That's not Bumphis fault. MSU has NEVER signed a 5 star WR in its entire history and it's Bumphis' fault that history repeated itself.

Lebby brought in the receivers that contributed, not Chad. Development was an issue!

[Chuck3124]

Ty Howle named VT OC. Franklin did not retain Montgomery

[KB21]

I will say on Nix, Rosebowl does not believe he's a candidate. I've heard he was and there's a few others that have heard the same. Will he be the hire? I have zero clue. I had no clue we were firing Bumphis til yesterday and a guy on staff said it was not breaking news inside the walls of the Seal Building.

I know Derrick wants the USM head job but I don't think he gets it. Their AD REALLY wants Freeze and some of their boosters, the few they have, want Blake Anderson. I think Blake would take it so I don't think it would get to Derrick. I have no clue if Derrick would go back to OM. My guess and from what I've heard out of Oxford is that there's a possibility but they are looking elsewhere for now.

Lebby is keeping everyone in the dark it seems.

[Coach34]

Yet he was only a 3*... he developed late in year 2. He's steadily gotten better since being on campus.

Yeah, he had to learn how to play CB. That's why he RS'ed. But his talent is ridiculous. To be that big and be able to cover is incredible. You can teach positioning, hand fighting, angles- but you cant teach someone to be 6'4 with length and smother people. Just like our guy Cinnamon Toast #4- he cant smother people. You teach him all you can- but at the end of the day he has to win 1 on 1's. He's on his own there. Got to Croot

[Thick]

Player development? The WR's have never been the problem under Bumphis. Also, Caleb Cunningham went to the highest bidder. That's not Bumphis fault. MSU has NEVER signed a 5 star WR in it's entire history and it's Bumphis' fault that history repeated itself.

Go to page 6 in this thread and read. That way you can plead your case with several others.

[Todd4State]

Shay Hodge cannot work for Miss State. I do not think that is going to be the case. If so, that is a huge misstep.

I'd be surprised if it's Hodge so why the hell not right?

[Todd4State]

Yeah, pretty simple. Hadad was on the radio yesterday trying to get ahead of any talk of him being the one that Bumphis had given any information too; assuming those rumors are true.

On3 were the ones saying that KT was going to start first if I'm not mistaken.

What we don't know is if Bumphis told them and told them to keep it quiet and they went with it or not.

[Thick]

That?s why when you?re told to keep this between the walls of the Bryan Building, you don?t tell anybody. If he keeps his mouth shut, he might still be employed.

[Turfdawg67]

https://x.com/PeteThamel/status/1998219636958216681?s=20

Well, it isn't Briles.

But of course it not.

[Todd4State]

That?s why when you?re told to keep this between the walls of the Bryan Building, you don?t tell anybody. If he keeps his mouth shut, he might still be employed.

Exactly. And rumor is Bumphis was warned before about it.

[Todd4State]

But of course it not.

At this rate with Lebby it will probably be Kevin Barbay.

[KB21]

At this rate with Lebby it will probably be Kevin Barbay.

Joe Moorhead OC, Kevin Barbay QBs, and Steve Spurrier Jr WRs.

[Coach34]

Joe Moorhead OC, Kevin Barbay QBs, and Steve Spurrier Jr WRs.

Dream Team

[Coursesuper]

Dream Team

Be still my heart...

[Todd4State]

Joe Moorhead OC, Kevin Barbay QBs, and Steve Spurrier Jr WRs.

Pissing off every faction of MSU fan at the same time is one way to get everyone pulling in the same direction.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lebby is keeping everyone in the dark it seems.

Well Rosebowl's sources are all at CAA now. He doesn't have much sourcing in our building anymore. That left with Cohen. I think he's still got some sources, but I know he doesn't have the sourcing he used to have.

[KB21]

Did Arnett switch to CAA in 2023?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Did Arnett switch to CAA in 2023?

I think it was before 2023 because he was with Jimmy before he got the head job.

[KB21]

Well it makes more sense now. Lebby is using his CAA connections.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Jimmy's & Joe's definitely make the difference with any coach. However, if Bump was let go and didn't leave on his own Lebby just made another bone head decision.

Bump was the low man on the staff for WRs. His recruiting was not great. Our main WRs came from Lebby and others.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Bump was the low man on the staff for WRs. His recruiting was not great. Our main WRs came from Lebby and others.

Yep. Lebby and Benton Duby.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yep. Lebby and Benton Duby.

When you think about what Lebby is doing and remove emotions of it, I believe he is pushing hard to improve it all. It did not matter that Arnett helped destroy the team as HC (and we can debate the ends and outs of that). What mattered was Arnett as a DC and could it make the outcome better. It did not matter that Hutzler was his "friend" as suggested by many here. What mattered was the product on the field. It did not matter that Bump is loved by MSU. What mattered was how do we improve the offense... what is the weak link.

It's great to have a HC with that mentality.

[Coursesuper]

Pissing off every faction of MSU fan at the same time is one way to get everyone pulling in the same direction.

Maybe that's the ticket, give us a common enemy to focus on.

[bulldawg28]

Bump was the low man on the staff for WRs. His recruiting was not great. Our main WRs came from Lebby and others.


How did they come from Lebby? Only one player played at Oklahoma with Lebby. The rest of the guys were recruited by their position coach, Bumphis. Just so you guys are aware head coaches are apart of the recruiting process not the head. Lebby would be responsible for Thompson because he knew him. The remainder "Top guys" come from the position coach recruiting them.

[Goldendawg]

How did they come from Lebby? Only one player played at Oklahoma with Lebby. The rest of the guys were recruited by their position coach, Bumphis. Just so you guys are aware head coaches are apart of the recruiting process not the head. Lebby would be responsible for Thompson because he knew him. The remainder "Top guys" come from the position coach recruiting them.

I posted during the regular season that I counted about 24 WR types on our roster and we never even had a third receiver step up. Looks like a lot of bad evaluations or lack of development from someone. Heck, on the pass call (Boneheaded in my opinion), against FL, we had a true FR WR running a slant (and our 6th year 6' 2",(?), QB didn't see a 6"4" 320 NT drop into coverage. It was reported here that he ran the wrong pattern, I don't really know, but a critical call to a FR with about one catch at that time in the year.

[Tater]

I don't know that Derrick helps you with Caleb all that much but he may help you a WHOLE LOT with Cam Coleman.

Cam Coleman will be going to OU. Unless we way overspend to outbid them.

[Tater]

How did they come from Lebby? Only one player played at Oklahoma with Lebby. The rest of the guys were recruited by their position coach, Bumphis. Just so you guys are aware head coaches are apart of the recruiting process not the head. Lebby would be responsible for Thompson because he knew him. The remainder "Top guys" come from the position coach recruiting them.

Anthony Evans was originally an OU commit under Lebby. Georgia outbid them late and he took the bag. The relationship was already built prior.

Craver is Bump's. Not gonna argue what happened on the way out or give 50/50 here. But Bump got us 1 year of Craver.

Coleman was Lebby. For argument sake - I'll give you half because I know you're going to argue it. So 1.5 seasons of good WR play in 3 years. Even rounding up to 2 years - that's anemic. 2 WR seasons with a good season in 3 years that he recruited. You need at minimum 2 seasons a year - ideally 3 to be competitive. He just wasn't producing, I'm sorry.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Cam Coleman will be going to OU. Unless we way overspend to outbid them.

Give Kamario a big body that can roll like Coleman to throw to and overspending may be worth it.

[Cowbell]

Give Kamario a big body that can roll like Coleman to throw to and overspending may be worth it.

This. It's amazing what one really good extra guy can do for you, especially when you consider your number one then becomes a number two and so on.

[KB21]

Hutzler to Auburn as DE coach.

[Coursesuper]

Give Kamario a big body that can roll like Coleman to throw to and overspending may be worth it.

We better spend the majority up front, its hard to throw a pass laying on the turf.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Matt Holecek... Steve is saying something is happening there. Looks like he is gone.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Matt Holecek... Steve is saying something is happening there. Looks like he is gone.

Again, something we've hinted heavily at. I had heard that Kendall would be the hire. That didn't come to fruition, although I guess I should've just taken the info I got on the surface and not tried to infer.

What I was told was, "Art has told Kendall his best way to get a HC job is get back into the SEC." I just assumed that meant us. I should've probably asked specifically about us. A few other TCU guys in DFW that I know thought the same as me so I really thought that's where this was heading. Oh well, missed on that one.

I really don't know who the hire will be. Phillip Montgomery makes a lot of sense due to previously coaching with Lebby at Baylor and being a part of that tree but I wouldn't be comfortable saying that's who we're targeting

[Tater]

Again, something we've hinted heavily at. I had heard that Kendall would be the hire. That didn't come to fruition, although I guess I should've just taken the info I got on the surface and not tried to infer.

What I was told was, "Art has told Kendall his best way to get a HC job is get back into the SEC." I just assumed that meant us. I should've probably asked specifically about us. A few other TCU guys in DFW that I know thought the same as me so I really thought that's where this was heading. Oh well, missed on that one.

I really don't know who the hire will be. Phillip Montgomery makes a lot of sense due to previously coaching with Lebby at Baylor and being a part of that tree but I wouldn't be comfortable saying that's who we're targeting

Fwiw I independently did the same thing and reached the same conclusion. Looking at other folks reaction though I do think might have talked ourselves up a bit much on the Briles thing.

For me - I just want an OC that Lebby can delegate some HC/OC responsibilities to.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Fwiw I independently did the same thing and reached the same conclusion. Looking at other folks reaction though I do think might have talked ourselves up a bit much on the Briles thing.

For me - I just want an OC that Lebby can delegate some HC/OC responsibilities to.

That was where I was drawing my conclusions. I had reported all of that stuff about 5 hours after the Egg Bowl and had been talking to my TCU buddies in Dallas and the conclusion all of us came to was that from what they were hearing and reading between the lines, Kendall was going to be at State. One of them text me last night and said:

"Kendall just hitched his wagon to Shane 17 Beamer?!?!? At least Lebby is his brother in law and that one makes a little bit of sense."

[bulldawg28]

I posted during the regular season that I counted about 24 WR types on our roster and we never even had a third receiver step up. Looks like a lot of bad evaluations or lack of development from someone. Heck, on the pass call (Boneheaded in my opinion), against FL, we had a true FR WR running a slant (and our 6th year 6' 2",(?), QB didn't see a 6"4" 320 NT drop into coverage. It was reported here that he ran the wrong pattern, I don't really know, but a critical call to a FR with about one catch at that time in the year.

Lol, the wrong route? The ball was intercepted by the DT. There's no route ran where that happens that's all on Shapen for hittinghim in the chest.

[Cowbell]

Lol, the wrong route? The ball was intercepted by the DT. There's no route ran where that happens that's all on Shapen for hittinghim in the chest.

Yeah anybody that thinks that wasn't on Shapen don't know ball

[bulldawg28]

Anthony Evans was originally an OU commit under Lebby. Georgia outbid them late and he took the bag. The relationship was already built prior.

Craver is Bump's. Not gonna argue what happened on the way out or give 50/50 here. But Bump got us 1 year of Craver.

Coleman was Lebby. For argument sake - I'll give you half because I know you're going to argue it. So 1.5 seasons of good WR play in 3 years. Even rounding up to 2 years - that's anemic. 2 WR seasons with a good season in 3 years that he recruited. You need at minimum 2 seasons a year - ideally 3 to be competitive. He just wasn't producing, I'm sorry.

I simply say 2 years under Lebby and the WR'S have not been the reasoning for any loss. Evaluations are finalized by the head coach who also scouts via film. Those so called poor scouting takes lay square on the head coaches shoulders.

[bulldawg28]

Yeah anybody that thinks that wasn't on Shapen don't know ball

Or didn't watch the game

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lol, the wrong route? The ball was intercepted by the DT. There's no route ran where that happens that's all on Shapen for hittinghim in the chest.

Oh he did run the wrong route. That is supposed to be an option route. Still does not excuse Shapen for throwing it directly to the DE. Even if the receiver runs the correct route, the ball is still picked.

[bulldawg28]

Oh he did run the wrong route. That is supposed to be an option route. Still does not excuse Shapen for throwing it directly to the DE. Even if the receiver runs the correct route, the ball is still picked.

Thee corner squatted which is why the WR kept going which is what the WR & QB are taught. STILL ON SHAPEN.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Thee corner squatted which is why the WR kept going which is what the WR & QB are taught. STILL ON SHAPEN.

Without a doubt still on Shapen. Which is why I said, "still does not excuse Shapen for throwing it directly to the DE."

[Maverick91]

That was where I was drawing my conclusions. I had reported all of that stuff about 5 hours after the Egg Bowl and had been talking to my TCU buddies in Dallas and the conclusion all of us came to was that from what they were hearing and reading between the lines, Kendall was going to be at State. One of them text me last night and said:

"Kendall just hitched his wagon to Shane 17 Beamer?!?!? At least Lebby is his brother in law and that one makes a little bit of sense."

He is probably thinking if he can ball out and let Beamer do Beamer he will be fired and then Kendall gets the USCE HC.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He is probably thinking if he can ball out and let Beamer do Beamer he will be fired and then Kendall gets the USCE HC.

I guess. He also is probably thinking if he can make Lanorris Sellers look good then he can parlay that into an HC job.

[BeardoMSU]

I guess. He also is probably thinking if he can make Lanorris Sellers look good then he can parlay that into an HC job.

Is he not going pro?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is he not going pro?

I haven't seen a mock draft with him in the first round since October. I would personally guess that he enters the portal. But maybe they believe that Kendall can revive him and he'll stay.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I simply say 2 years under Lebby and the WR'S have not been the reasoning for any loss. Evaluations are finalized by the head coach who also scouts via film. Those so called poor scouting takes lay square on the head coaches shoulders.

My dude. He's gone. It's over. Done with. Lebby did what he needed to do. Saban would have done it. It's a sign of a great coach when they don't care about connections nor about friendship because business is business. Lebby was hired to do a job, not to hire former players and keep them no matter what.

[Brobi-wan]

My dude. He's gone. It's over. Done with. Lebby did what he needed to do. Saban would have done it. It's a sign of a great coach when they don't care about connections nor about friendship because business is business. Lebby was hired to do a job, not to hire former players and keep them no matter what.

Wasn’t Bumphis pulled over from Arnett? Pretty sure we had awful receivers that year.

[bulldawg28]

My dude. He's gone. It's over. Done with. Lebby did what he needed to do. Saban would have done it. It's a sign of a great coach when they don't care about connections nor about friendship because business is business. Lebby was hired to do a job, not to hire former players and keep them no matter what.

I know he's gone and it is what it is. Firing a coach is not a sign of greatness it's the 1st and last steps of accountability

[BlackSailsDawg]

I know he's gone and it is what it is. Firing a coach is not a sign of greatness it's the 1st and last steps of accountability

So Saban firing and hiring coaches was not a good thing?

[RezDog7]

Lol, the wrong route? The ball was intercepted by the DT. There's no route ran where that happens that's all on Shapen for hittinghim in the chest.

The receiver ran a slant. Shapen through an out route. Yeah, somebody screwed up. My guess is Shapen threw to the spot the receiver was expected to be.

[bigplayslay]

The receiver ran a slant. Shapen through an out route. Yeah, somebody screwed up. My guess is Shapen threw to the spot the receiver was expected to be.

In classic Shapen fashion he stared down the receiver and everyone knew where it was going. ha

[bulldawg28]

So Saban firing and hiring coaches was not a good thing?

Saban didn't have to fire too many. His coaches were getting poached. But yes Saban firing a coach would be a good thing. However, that's not an level comparison.

[Todd4State]

In classic Shapen fashion he stared down the receiver and everyone knew where it was going. ha

Tends to happen when you only have two reliable receivers though.