2026 Football Coaching Staff Tracker

[Tater]

just delete this thread

[Tater]

Posting what things I've heard, waiting for others to double confirm these things before adding to tracker.

Lebby is safe. Certain folks want Mullen but we're doing Lebby another year. Way more of a possibility to go after Dan next year if Lebby craters than most would have originally thought. I honestly think if Lebby doesn't have us bowl eligible + egg bowl win then Mullen is back for 2027.


Tucker is safe. Cooper is safe.

Bumphis is safer than safe.

Holocek could get replaced by Briles otherwise they expect no offensive staffing changes except....

Hearing serious discussions about Loadholt. This is where the point of contention lies the most. Loadholt not getting a fair shake and it being a jimmies and joes problem. Remains to be seen how that

Hutzler will be gone. Barnes will be gone. Dancy should be gone. - these three are contingent on us lining up a perceived better DC hire. Speculation that we won't as in 25% we might not.

Odom is gone. Turner is gone. Bell is gone. These are gone regardless of Hutzler.

[Cowbeller]

Letting Loadholt would be a big mistake. Big time recruiter and this is his first full offseason with us.

Anyone hearing names to replace Hutz? Not convinced hes gone unless other names are rumbling

[DEDawg]

Where are you hearing way more possibility of Dan next year? There is no chance that happens.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Dan is not coming back. Sure it?s fun to talk about it, but I would be absolutely stunned if that happened.

[Todd4State]

Steve said that there is some big addition to the offense staff but not Kendall Briles that he is talking about.

Makes me wonder if we are adding Judge or Joe Jon Finley or a new o-line coach?

[Dawgology]

Where are you hearing way more possibility of Dan next year? There is no chance that happens.

Dan is interested. Dan has already reached out. Dan is willing to sign a non-compete and agree to certain clauses. You can all believe it or not. Don't care.

[Quaoarsking]

Dan is interested. Dan has already reached out. Dan is willing to sign a non-compete and agree to certain clauses. You can all believe it or not. Don't care.

If you put the whole fanbase (say the season ticket holders) to a vote and asked "would you rather have Lebby or Mullen as the head coach in 2026?" what do we think the result would be?

I'm thinking Mullen would get over 80%.

[CaptainObvious]

Dan is interested. Dan has already reached out. Dan is willing to sign a non-compete and agree to certain clauses. You can all believe it or not. Don't care.

If this were true, you make the move right now. Not next year. What is he goes 10-2 or 11-1 next year at UNLV? He would be a much hotter commodity than MSU level. So, not saying I don?t believe you but if he reached out and our admin said no thank, fire everybody but the school janitors. And demote them!!!

[HoopsDawg]

Dan is interested. Dan has already reached out. Dan is willing to sign a non-compete and agree to certain clauses. You can all believe it or not. Don't care.

Complete and utter BS.

[Tater]

Dan is interested. Dan has already reached out. Dan is willing to sign a non-compete and agree to certain clauses. You can all believe it or not. Don't care.

Exactly. We didn't pull the trigger. If we pull the trigger next year - that's who will be option #1. Posters on SPS, GP, and here were told to float Mullen coming back the past few weeks. Lot more lukewarm to positive reception than hell no. Time heals all wounds.

[Maroon Glasses]

If you put the whole fanbase (say the season ticket holders) to a vote and asked "would you rather have Lebby or Mullen as the head coach in 2026?" what do we think the result would be?

I'm thinking Mullen would get over 80%.

Shit.. maybe even 90%. I don't know many fans happy with Lebby at all. This is just me talking to friends and people in general.

I'm probably more pro Lebby than any of my counterparts.

[Tater]

Letting Loadholt would be a big mistake. Big time recruiter and this is his first full offseason with us.

Anyone hearing names to replace Hutz? Not convinced hes gone unless other names are rumbling

I'm 50/50 on it because this OL was baddddd but I don't necessarily disagree. Waiting to hear names floated as replacement but I think Lebby wins this battle and loses on Hutzler and having to hire a DC.

[CaptainObvious]

Exactly. We didn't pull the trigger. If we pull the trigger next year - that's who will be option #1. Posters on SPS, GP, and here were told to float Mullen coming back the past few weeks. Lot more lukewarm to positive reception than hell no. Time heals all wounds.

Again, if our Admin told him no, we have buffoons, that should be behind the bars at the Zoo, running our University!

[mo7888]

I love Lebby's offensive style, but I'm not sold that he has what it takes to call plays and be a HC. If just forced to make a choice I'd choose Mullen right now if Lebby isn't bringing in Briles and a new DC.

[Quaoarsking]

Posters on SPS, GP, and here were told to float Mullen coming back the past few weeks. Lot more lukewarm to positive reception than hell no.

Zac - if you're reading this, go ahead and make the switch for 2026.

[Coursesuper]

I'm 50/50 on it because this OL was baddddd but I don't necessarily disagree. Waiting to hear names floated as replacement but I think Lebby wins this battle and loses on Hutzler and having to hire a DC.

Moving on without him is not a great move. It’s hard to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. That plus injuries which lead to a serious lack of continuity didn’t allow them to gel at all. That’s not on him.

[Cowbeller]

Moving on without him is not a great move. It?s hard to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. That plus injuries which lead to a serious lack of continuity didn?t allow them to gel at all. That?s not on him.

Exactly. No one denies how bad the OL was this year but it was obvious that we didn?t have the tools in that area and not a coaching issue.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Posting what things I've heard, waiting for others to double confirm these things before adding to tracker.

Lebby is safe. Certain folks want Mullen but we're doing Lebby another year. Way more of a possibility to go after Dan next year if Lebby craters than most would have originally thought. I honestly think if Lebby doesn't have us bowl eligible + egg bowl win then Mullen is back for 2027.


Tucker is safe. Cooper is safe.

Bumphis is safer than safe.

Holocek could get replaced by Briles otherwise they expect no offensive staffing changes except....

Hearing serious discussions about Loadholt. This is where the point of contention lies the most. Loadholt not getting a fair shake and it being a jimmies and joes problem. Remains to be seen how that

Hutzler will be gone. Barnes will be gone. Dancy should be gone. - these three are contingent on us lining up a perceived better DC hire. Speculation that we won't as in 25% we might not.

Odom is gone. Turner is gone. Bell is gone. These are gone regardless of Hutzler.

Im not sure why a few of our fans want to live in the past. But you do you.

In reality, Mullen will not be the HC at Ms St. Nor should we want him.

As in... that door is closed. From our side and his.

[Brobi-wan]

Im not sure why a few of our fans want to live in the past. But you do you.

In reality, Mullen will not be the HC at Ms St. Nor should we want him.

As in... that door is closed. From our side and his.

I loved the Dan years and being a decent program. I do not want to go back to Dan. I don’t want those memories soured.

[mckeen]

No Dan again. Apparently many of you never knew that he lost three EB's due to texting A.D.'s and trying to find other jobs.

[DawgFromOxford]

If you put the whole fanbase (say the season ticket holders) to a vote and asked "would you rather have Lebby or Mullen as the head coach in 2026?" what do we think the result would be?

I'm thinking Mullen would get over 80%.

Put me in the 20%. I appreciate what Mullen did for us, but I?d be less than thrilled if he was call #1

[gtowndawg]

If you put the whole fanbase (say the season ticket holders) to a vote and asked "would you rather have Lebby or Mullen as the head coach in 2026?" what do we think the result would be?

I'm thinking Mullen would get over 80%.

Easily 80%

[BlackSailsDawg]

Yep. They were good years. Some should have been way better and he hurt us in the process.

[gtowndawg]

Zac - if you're reading this, go ahead and make the switch for 2026.

Same...Zac, this is Gtown, bring Dan back and let's turn KT into a Heisman winner.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Easily 80%

No it isnt. Mullen will never be at Ms St again. As in never. I will forever ban myself if I am wrong. So get use to BSD posting.

He burned his bridge here and we deserve better.

Stop living in the past.

[ZedFedder]

Some of yall do not wanna hear this, but if Lebby gets a legit DC, we will win 8 next year.

[Cowbell]

Some of yall do not wanna hear this, but if Lebby gets a legit DC, we will win 8 next year.

If Lebby gets a good DC, we get a realistic SEC defensive front, an experienced P4 oline with a top draft pick at LT.... ifs and buts are candy and nuts

[Brobi-wan]

If Lebby gets a good DC, we get a realistic SEC defensive front, an experienced P4 oline with a top draft pick at LT.... ifs and buts are candy and nuts

You’re a pessimistic SOB huh

[EdwardDrayton]

Some of yall do not wanna hear this, but if Lebby gets a legit DC, we will win 8 next year.

What we don't want to hear is conjecture presented as fact. *****

[Doggie_Style]

If Lebby gets a good DC, we get a realistic SEC defensive front, an experienced P4 oline with a top draft pick at LT.... ifs and buts are candy and nuts

Lebby is basically Croom II ........ by this time next year he'll be gone and we'll be starting over

[DEDawg]

Well this thread is already de railed. Anyone wanna make one where the OP does not bring in Dan?

[Coursesuper]

Well this thread is already de railed. Anyone wanna make one where the OP does not bring in Dan?

No shit!

[Quaoarsking]

Some of yall do not wanna hear this, but if Lebby gets a legit DC, we will win 8 next year.

That sounds awesome. But then imagine where we'd be with a legit DC and also a legit HC.

[Maverick91]

Speaking to dline. Isn't ole Ed Orgeron a great dline coach and also recruiter? Would he be willing to step back into that saddle?

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Speaking to dline. Isn't ole Ed Orgeron a great dline coach and also recruiter? Would he be willing to step back into that saddle?

He will be one of Kiffins first hires

[Todd4State]

No shit!

And I didn't even say anything this time!

Everyone knows where I stand anyway.

[EdwardDrayton]

He will be one of Kiffins first hires

No. He will be the second. First Kiffin will need to hire a translator.

[BigDawg81]

No. He will be the second. First Kiffin will need to hire a translator.

Or mental health physician

[Todd4State]

If you put the whole fanbase (say the season ticket holders) to a vote and asked "would you rather have Lebby or Mullen as the head coach in 2026?" what do we think the result would be?

I'm thinking Mullen would get over 80%.

You are grossly overestimating that total by about 20%.

And if you want a fair poll you should add "someone else" as an option.

Don't create a straw man in a poll and present it as fact.

[Todd4State]

Lebby is basically Croom II ........ by this time next year he'll be gone and we'll be starting over

If he is then he'll leave the next coach with enough to win 9-10 games in year two.

[Quaoarsking]

You are grossly overestimating that total by about 20%.

And if you want a fair poll you should add "someone else" as an option.

Don't create a straw man in a poll and present it as fact.

Why is it more fair to add a hypothetical and undefined "someone else"?

According to the OP, the only candidates the athletic department considered were Lebby and Mullen. I think that out of those 2, a very clear supermajority of the fanbase would have preferred the opposite of what the AD apparently decided. If they had considered Brian Newberry or Brent Vigen instead of Mullen, I would infer the results of Vigen vs. Lebby or Newberry vs. Lebby poll.

[KB21]

If he is then he'll leave the next coach with enough to win 9-10 games in year two.

Lebby isn?t even remotely close to Croom. Lebby is a legit elite play caller with an outstanding offensive system. That?s just foolish talk.

[sandjunky]

Lebby isn?t even remotely close to Croom. Lebby is a legit elite play caller with an outstanding offensive system. That?s just foolish talk.
Elite? At what? Play calling for the special Olympics

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby isn?t even remotely close to Croom. Lebby is a legit elite play caller with an outstanding offensive system. That?s just foolish talk.

Was it elite when he kept running Taylor up the middle over and over, and then switched back to Shapen to run him up the middle too?

[CaptainObvious]

Lebby is basically Croom II ........ by this time next year he'll be gone and we'll be starting over

I doubt he makes it through the mid point of the year. If we play Troy, he will likely lose that one and Minnesota. I could see us at 1-5 when he gets let go.

[Turfdawg67]

Tater, need to start this thread over. The same posters have hi-jacked another over King Dan and Lebby sucks.

[TrapGame]

Tater, need to start this thread over. The same posters have hi-jacked another over King Dan and Lebby sucks.

They will take over the next one too.

That's why I don't even try to argue with them.

[Dawgology]

Complete and utter BS.

Interesting. Like I said, don?t care if you believe it or not. With that said, you can kind of tell which boosters some of those are this board have connections with. There are several that got their ego stripped by Dan when he was here which is where the whole story that he?s an ?asshole? came from. Just because the guy didn?t want to give them carte blanche with the players. That ok though. They got their golden boy into the AD slot and then got their guy Moorhead?Leach hire really got them upset though. Golden boy stepped out on his own and didn?t get the blessing. Hurt their feelings enough that they didn?t fight to keep him when Auburn called but then they REALLY got to call the shots and Zach it was! Then Lebby after that train wreck. Anyone but Dan Mullen who hurt their feelings while taking the program to #1. That?s the story I?ve heard anyway. I figure it?s mostly true.

ETA: I hope Lebby is incredibly successful and gets us back to regular bowl games and the occasional run at the playoffs. I don’t care who is the coach I just want State to win and that’s not happening right now.

[Coursesuper]

Tater, need to start this thread over. The same posters have hi-jacked another over King Dan and Lebby sucks.

A do over would be nice. This one has gone to shat.

[Maverick91]

IF lane does not go with orgeron it would be nice to know we have him a call.

[Coach34]

Lebby is basically Croom II ........ by this time next year he'll be gone and we'll be starting over

Lebby scored more points this season than Croom did in his first two seasons combined

There are some really dumbtakes in this thread

[KB21]

Was it elite when he kept running Taylor up the middle over and over, and then switched back to Shapen to run him up the middle too?

So, you are basing his play calling in totality over a 7 play sample size. Cool.

Lebby?s play calling somehow produced 0.051 EPa per play despite having a bad OL and a limited QB.

[Coach34]

IF lane does not go with orgeron it would be nice to know we have him a call.

O is gonna be Lame's D-Line coach or work in some capacity.

[Coach34]

Put me in the 20%. I appreciate what Mullen did for us, but I?d be less than thrilled if he was call #1

Awwww cmon- you dont miss him flying to Miami during Egg Bowl week to meet with them? Good times

[Coach34]

Some of yall do not wanna hear this, but if Lebby gets a legit DC, we will win 8 next year.

DC doesnt really matter that much compared to amassing talent- need legit players on defense with a little depth. That will determine our success. Hutz is a scapegoat for lack of talent. Hutz wasnt getting toasted- #4 was.

Whoever the new DC is needs to buy some talent

[Quaoarsking]

Awwww cmon- you dont miss him flying to Miami during Egg Bowl week to meet with them? Good times

You think Lebby wouldn't do that if any school thought he was worth talking to?

[Quaoarsking]

Tater, need to start this thread over. The same posters have hi-jacked another over King Dan and Lebby sucks.

The OP was the one who brought up Mullen in this thread.

[sandjunky]

Lebby scored more points this season than Croom did in his first two seasons combined

There are some really dumbtakes in this thread
True but the stat that matters is wins - and Crxxm has 2 more SEC wins and 1 less overall win playing 2 less non-conference games through 2 years

If lebby hadn?t shot himself in the dikc multiple times this year - the comparison would have never happened

[Coach34]

True but the stat that matters is wins - and Crxxm has 2 more SEC wins and 1 less overall win playing 2 less non-conference games through 2 years

If lebby hadn?t shot himself in the dikc multiple times this year - the comparison would have never happened

Croom coached in a different SEC also.

NIL/Portal has changed it all. 2025 Mississippi State is what we are looking at for the future. Pete Golding will continue to win at Mississippi as long as they spend $10MM more per year than us and remain a Top 5 SEC spender

[DownwardDawg]

Letting Loadholt would be a big mistake. Big time recruiter and this is his first full offseason with us.

Anyone hearing names to replace Hutz? Not convinced hes gone unless other names are rumbling

He sucked at Colorado and he has sucked here. Whats with the love for him? Not just you, but people seem to think he's something special.

[KB21]

Colorado?s sack issues had more to do with Sanders and his lack of sack avoidance and less to do with their OL. Heck, they arguably had the best LT in college. Sanders holds the ball too long though. He?s even doing it in the NFL now.

[CaptainObvious]

Croom coached in a different SEC also.

NIL/Portal has changed it all. 2025 Mississippi State is what we are looking at for the future. Pete Golding will continue to win at Mississippi as long as they spend $10MM more per year than us and remain a Top 5 SEC spender

I can write a check with a 1 and 2 zeros behind it! What you got?

[Todd4State]

Why is it more fair to add a hypothetical and undefined "someone else"?

According to the OP, the only candidates the athletic department considered were Lebby and Mullen. I think that out of those 2, a very clear supermajority of the fanbase would have preferred the opposite of what the AD apparently decided. If they had considered Brian Newberry or Brent Vigen instead of Mullen, I would infer the results of Vigen vs. Lebby or Newberry vs. Lebby poll.

Because there are hundreds of other coaches that are options. And when Lebby leaves odds are we will hire one of those.

You're basically creating a straw man that wouldn't present how the fanbase truly feels because you are eliminating all options.

Between Dan, Lebby, and Golesh for example I think a lot of fans would pick Golesh. Or Sumrall.

[Todd4State]

Was it elite when he kept running Taylor up the middle over and over, and then switched back to Shapen to run him up the middle too?

And yet this guy wants Dan back.

[Todd4State]

You think Lebby wouldn't do that if any school thought he was worth talking to?

Odds are he will handle things like Sumrall. Even Kiffin was able to get his team focused on the Egg Bowl. But yeah let's just give Dan a pass because we allowed him to piss everything away because of three weeks in 2014.

[Quaoarsking]

Because there are hundreds of other coaches that are options. And when Lebby leaves odds are we will hire one of those.

You're basically creating a straw man that wouldn't present how the fanbase truly feels because you are eliminating all options.

Between Dan, Lebby, and Golesh for example I think a lot of fans would pick Golesh. Or Sumrall.

Multiple posters on this board (people that are generally considered to be "in the know" around here) have said that the only other name under consideration is Mullen. So it's completely fair to consider which of the only 2 plausible options that fans would prefer.

We'd presumably all rather have Nick Saban than Mullen or Lebby, but unless he actually starts talking to our administration, there's no point in including him in a hypothetical poll.

[CaptainObvious]

Another year of less than mediocre coming up! Oh Joy. I do t care if Dan comes back or not. But he is a hell of a lot better while looking for better opportunities the. The guy we got now! Of course that might not be saying much either!

[Quaoarsking]

And yet this guy wants Dan back.

This year, Shapen had 111 carries for an average of 0.3 yards. Mullen never put a QB in a situation like that.

[Maroon Glasses]

This year, Shapen had 111 carries for an average of 0.3 yards. Mullen never put a QB in a situation like that.

Geeez. Seems like you can fall further than that.

[Cowbell]

If he is then he'll leave the next coach with enough to win 9-10 games in year two.

Coaches don't leave the next coach anything but problems now. Welcome to the Portal era

[Todd4State]

Multiple posters on this board (people that are generally considered to be "in the know" around here) have said that the only other name under consideration is Mullen. So it's completely fair to consider which of the only 2 plausible options that fans would prefer.

We'd presumably all rather have Nick Saban than Mullen or Lebby, but unless he actually starts talking to our administration, there's no point in including him in a hypothetical poll.

Those same people have also said that Lebby isn't going anywhere. You have also had multiple other people in the know on here say that Dan isn't an option either. It sounds like it's a group of boosters wasting their time kicking the tires like the people that went after Jamey Chadwell a couple of years ago.

And I can almost guarantee you that if and when we have to find a new coach we are going to do a national search again. And if we don't we should fire Selmon. Or whoever the AD is. Because this would be the umpteenth time our booster ****ed up MSU football.

[Cowbell]

This year, Shapen had 111 carries for an average of 0.3 yards. Mullen never put a QB in a situation like that.

That has to be a record

[Todd4State]

This year, Shapen had 111 carries for an average of 0.3 yards. Mullen never put a QB in a situation like that.

So? Shapen is gone. Move on.

[KB21]

That 111 includes sacks and scrambles. He was sacked 36 times. So, that means he had 75 total runs that were either scrambles or designed runs. If you eliminate scrambles, my best guess is that Lebby only called around 35-45 total designed runs for Blake.

[Maroon Glasses]

Those same people have also said that Lebby isn't going anywhere. You have also had multiple other people in the know on here say that Dan isn't an option either. It sounds like it's a group of boosters wasting their time kicking the tires like the people that went after Jamey Chadwell a couple of years ago.

And I can almost guarantee you that if and when we have to find a new coach we are going to do a national search again. [B]And if we don't we should fire Selmon. Or whoever the AD is. Because this would be the umpteenth time our booster ****ed up MSU football.

That's the thing tho. I wish I could find the leaked video I watched on Twitter of a zoom call between some Florida boosters. The AD and President have no say so in those hires. The big money guys hire who they want to hire or they simply threaten to stop donating 15 mill+ every year.

As an President or AD, what do you do? You can't lose that kind of money every year. Especially in todays game. Big money boosters have them by the balls. If you don't hire their guy and they cut out the money, you're good as fired.

Back to the leaked video.. Florida's main booster Gary Condron wanted Sumrall over Kiffin. And threatened to stop donating if they didn't hire Sumrall. 15 mill and more a year.

[BigDawg81]

So? Shapen is gone. Move on.

Thank God. He stunk most of the year. He took some criticism and chirped back at the fans with “keep the same f energy”. He gets bench and throws a hissy fit and doesn’t participate in senior day.

[BigDawg81]

Kentucky is firing Stoops . Possibly DC candidate

[Political Hack]

Why hire Dan with his baggage when we could hire Urban with his baggage?

Although I think Lebby deserves more time. No coach should be fired in 2 years unless they've done something unethical. If there's reason enough to hire them, there's reason enough to give them more than 2 seasons.

[Maroon Glasses]

Thank God. He stunk most of the year. He took some criticism and chirped back at the fans with “keep the same f energy”. He gets bench and throws a hissy fit and doesn’t participate in senior day.

I get being upset. But when you have made life changing money at a University that gave you a second chance to pursue your dream, the very least you could do is participate in Senior Day. I wasn't a Shapen hater although I've called for him to be benched since the Florida game. I'll admit that. But I've lost all respect for the kid now. Just my point of view.

[Maroon Glasses]

Kentucky is firing Stoops . Possibly DC candidate

37 milli to get fired. Man I made a horrible life decision by being a productive citizen.

[EdwardDrayton]

Kentucky is firing Stoops . Possibly DC candidate

Yeah. That was a curious comment he made earlier today about "zero chance I quit". The smoke seemed to be curling then.

[EdwardDrayton]

37 milli to get fired. Man I made a horrible life decision by being a productive citizen.

It is truly insane.

[Todd4State]

Yeah. That was a curious comment he made earlier today about "zero chance I quit". The smoke seemed to be curling then.

Yeah. He was daring them to fire him.

[Rawdawg]

I?m putting my Mullen to UK prediction in now.

[Todd4State]

Why hire Dan with his baggage when we could hire Urban with his baggage?

Although I think Lebby deserves more time. No coach should be fired in 2 years unless they've done something unethical. If there's reason enough to hire them, there's reason enough to give them more than 2 seasons.

Thank you!

[Todd4State]

That's the thing tho. I wish I could find the leaked video I watched on Twitter of a zoom call between some Florida boosters. The AD and President have no say so in those hires. The big money guys hire who they want to hire or they simply threaten to stop donating 15 mill+ every year.

As an President or AD, what do you do? You can't lose that kind of money every year. Especially in todays game. Big money boosters have them by the balls. If you don't hire their guy and they cut out the money, you're good as fired.

Back to the leaked video.. Florida's main booster Gary Condron wanted Sumrall over Kiffin. And threatened to stop donating if they didn't hire Sumrall. 15 mill and more a year.

There is a difference between Richard Adkerson telling Keenum and Selmon that they want Dan back and a guy from Madison that lives in Reunion telling them they want Dan back.

[Todd4State]

Thank God. He stunk most of the year. He took some criticism and chirped back at the fans with ?keep the same f energy?. He gets bench and throws a hissy fit and doesn?t participate in senior day.

Yeah. And then Lebby ****ed him over on senior day and played the guy everyone wanted the whole game and the fans talked about how awesome it was even though we scored fewer points than only one other SEC game this year so I don't know what he's complaining about there. Lebby did what the fans wanted so that should make them happy.

[sandjunky]

Yeah. And then Lebby ****ed him over on senior day and played the guy everyone wanted the whole game and the fans talked about how awesome it was even though we scored fewer points than only one other SEC game this year so I don't know what he's complaining about there. Lebby did what the fans wanted so that should make them happy.

Fcuk Shapen - he?s a paid professional and he needs to act accordingly

[Maroon Glasses]

There is a difference between Richard Adkerson telling Keenum and Selmon that they want Dan back and a guy from Madison that lives in Reunion telling them they want Dan back.

I agree 100%. That would be like me telling Selmon who to hire. Hell, I wouldn't even get the time of day from them.

I'm just referring to Selmon or any AD. It seems like their hands are tied.. especially with football. Just seems to me that the big boosters are actually the guys who "make the hire."

It's really no different from companies or anything else that involves big money. Shareholders control companies, not so much the CEO.

And maybe not all universities run that way. I'm just going off how the Florida hire was decided this cycle.

[EdwardDrayton]

Yeah. And then Lebby ****ed him over on senior day and played the guy everyone wanted the whole game and the fans talked about how awesome it was even though we scored fewer points than only one other SEC game this year so I don't know what he's complaining about there. Lebby did what the fans wanted so that should make them happy.

Todd, we've said all year Lebby sees these players every day and he will play the players he thinks give us the best chance to win. He said Shapen would play if 100%. Apparently he didn't think he was so he went with KT. The fact it was senior day is irrelevant. So Lebby did not 17 him over. He did what coaches are supposed to do. Grown people should not act like petulant children even when they're pissed.

[Coach34]

That has to be a record

Nope. Will Rogers ran for -97 yards on 62 carries in 2021

[Maroon Glasses]

Yeah. And then Lebby ****ed him over on senior day and played the guy everyone wanted the whole game and the fans talked about how awesome it was even though we scored fewer points than only one other SEC game this year so I don't know what he's complaining about there. Lebby did what the fans wanted so that should make them happy.

Agree with Ed here. Lebby didn't play Shapen because the fans wanted him to. Lebby made that decision because he thought KT gave us the best chance to win. Imo Shapen doesn't score anymore points that KT did. OM got pressure all day and Shaoen would have been sacked 6+ times. KT missed throws but Shapen also does. In the end, it wouldn't have mattered. We got to see the future if we can keep him.

I understand your point about Senior Day. But in the end it's a business. Even more now than ever. I'm glad he went with KT. 380 yards of offense isn't too bad. Especially with our O line.

[KB21]

Shapen also went through Senior day last year.

[Todd4State]

Fcuk Shapen - he?s a paid professional and he needs to act accordingly


Todd, we've said all year Lebby sees these players every day and he will play the players he thinks give us the best chance to win. He said Shapen would play if 100%. Apparently he didn't think he was so he went with KT. The fact it was senior day is irrelevant. So Lebby did not 17 him over. He did what coaches are supposed to do. Grown people should not act like petulant children even when they're pissed.

I'm not complaining about it. I'm wondering why someone else was.

But yeah- he did **** him over. Could have had him take the first snap and sat him. Lebby didn't do it but that's his business.

I do think it proves my point that our fans value QB running too much when we played a guy who couldn't complete 50% of his passes the whole game and we scored fewer points and we have fans that talk about how it was the right move.

[Todd4State]

Agree with Ed here. Lebby didn't play Shapen because the fans wanted him to. Lebby made that decision because he thought KT gave us the best chance to win. Imo Shapen doesn't score anymore points that KT did. OM got pressure all day and Shaoen would have been sacked 6+ times. KT missed throws but Shapen also does. In the end, it wouldn't have mattered. We got to see the future if we can keep him.

I understand your point about Senior Day. But in the end it's a business. Even more now than ever. I'm glad he went with KT. 380 yards of offense isn't too bad. Especially with our O line.

The 26 PPG in SEC play coming in to the 19 we scored says otherwise. I think the "right thing" to do was to play both.

My hope is now that KT has the reigns and improves as a passer that our fans will come around. But they probably won't.

[Cowbell]

Nope. Will Rogers ran for -97 yards on 62 carries in 2021

Dangit. Should have known. Those two are the closest to be the same as any two QBs we have had in recent memory.

[Coach34]

I do think it proves my point that our fans value QB running too much when we played a guy who couldn't complete 50% of his passes the whole game and we scored fewer points and we have fans that talk about how it was the right move.

He couldnt complete 50% and it was our 2nd worst scoring day this season and our fans act like he put on a Heisman performance- lol. It's hilarious

[Cowbell]

I'm not complaining about it. I'm wondering why someone else was.

But yeah- he did **** him over. Could have had him take the first snap and sat him. Lebby didn't do it but that's his business.

I do think it proves my point that our fans value QB running too much when we played a guy who couldn't complete 50% of his passes the whole game and we scored fewer points and we have fans that talk about how it was the right move.

Lebby didn't do anything to Shapen. Shapen earned his warm seat on the bench.

[Quaoarsking]

Why is only the Lebby supporters who are saying Lebby was wrong to play Taylor over Shapen in the Egg Bowl? If you really think he succumbed to fan pressure and made a decision that made us less likely to win, shouldn't that be yet another reason to want to move on from him?

[Maroon Glasses]

The 26 PPG in SEC play coming in to the 19 we scored says otherwise. I think the "right thing" to do was to play both.

My hope is now that KT has the reigns and improves as a passer that our fans will come around. But they probably won't.

I can agree that Shapen should have started. For sure.

And I'm not a fan that wants just a running qb. I dont want Sellers at SC, any of Auburns QB the past few years, Van Buren, etc. Thats not the kind of qb I want. I want one that can throw and run. I have emphasized alot on KT running abilities and that's only because of our horrendous O Line. And the Egg Bowl showed why it's so important. It's just the ability to turn a negative into a positive. I hope he turns out to be our leading passer in school history and escape the pressure when he needs to. I will never want to just have a guy that can run at the qb position. That's the worse "positive" thing that can happen.. especially in our conference.

[msstate7]

I can agree that Shapen should have started. For sure.

And I'm not a fan that wants just a running qb. I dont want Sellers at SC, any of Auburns QB the past few years, Van Buren, etc. Thats not the kind of qb I want. I want one that can throw and run. I have emphasized alot on KT running abilities and that's only because of our horrendous O Line. And the Egg Bowl showed why it's so important. It's just the ability to turn a negative into a positive. I hope he turns out to be our leading passer in school history and escape the pressure when he needs to. I will never want to just have a guy that can run at the qb position. That's the worse "positive" thing that can happen.. especially in our conference.

Vs sec only...
Shapen 134 passer rating
KT 124 passer rating

Both were horrible passing in the sec, but one could actually be productive with his legs. Not sure where Shapen being a good passer is coming from

[Coach34]

Vs sec only...
Shapen 134 passer rating
KT 124 passer rating

Both were horrible passing in the sec, but one could actually be productive with his legs. Not sure where Shapen being a good passer is coming from

unfortunately games outside of conference count also. Shapen competed 64.4% of his passes this year. Thats pretty good.

[msstate7]

unfortunately games outside of conference count also. Shapen competed 64.4% of his passes this year. Thats pretty good.

Ok, all games...
Shapen 143 passer rating
KT 134 passer rating

[Maroon Glasses]

He couldnt complete 50% and it was our 2nd worst scoring day this season and our fans act like he put on a Heisman performance- lol. It's hilarious

I have read this board pretty heavy and haven't seen anyone even refer to a heisman like performance.

What everyone is happy about as fans of Mississippi State.. is a freshman in his first start got the opportunity against their rival who happened to be the #7 team in the country and led an opening drive of 97 yards. In the end, he accounted for over 380 yards of total offense. That's with completing under 50% of his passes.

I can be proud of a performance like that by any of our players. I dont care their name, position, graduation year... whatever. I dont care about none of that. I am proud I watched our freshman qb perform better than most thought be would. Wasn't a "Heisman performance" but considering all the circumstances... it was a damn good performance. Hail State.

[msstate7]

Qbr...
Shapen 56.1 (16th of 16 qualifiers in sec)
KT 88.9

[Maroon Glasses]

Qbr...
Shapen 56.1 (16th of 16 qualifiers in sec)
KT 88.9

It's probably pointless man. Some people choose not to see it.

[Coach34]

Ok, all games...
Shapen 143 passer rating
KT 134 passer rating

He built his passer rating in blowouts vs Georgia and Mizzou plus a 1 yd tipped TD pass vs Texas and a trick play vs the mighty Alcorn Braves. Gtfo with the stat shit

[Coach34]

Qbr...
Shapen 56.1 (16th of 16 qualifiers in sec)
KT 88.9

of passers in the SEC with 300 passes- Shapen is 7th in completion percentage...I can do this too

[msstate7]

He built his passer rating in blowouts vs Georgia and Mizzou plus a 1 yd TD pass vs Texas and a trick play vs the mighty Alcorn Braves. Gtfo with the stat shit

Yeah, all metrics are wrong

[Coach34]

Yeah, all metrics are wrong

They kinda are. We averaged 30.5 PPG this year. Offense wasnt the problem. Our lack of talent on D was our problem. Until we buy a defense- QB play doesnt really matter. KT will be a good QB next year. We better spend alot of money on the trenches

[msstate7]

They kinda are. We averaged 30.5 PPG this year. Offense wasnt the problem. Our lack of talent on D was our problem. Until we buy a defense- QB play doesnt really matter. KT will be a good QB next year. We better spend alot of money on the trenches

KT helped with that. He was tied with booth for rushing td lead. Booth missing the 1st half didn't help us scoring wise Friday

[BlackSailsDawg]

unfortunately games outside of conference count also. Shapen competed 64.4% of his passes this year. Thats pretty good.


Yeah, Shapen was not bad. Considering the OL, he was actually really good. People trying to trash him are always the same ones. They think the back up is always the second coming. They don't really care about the actual issues but somebody has to pay the price for their misery. Never mind what Shapen did and how the defense did not help. But changing out a QB cures all!


I have high hope for KT, but he took just as many sacks on average as Shapen. He passed for 48% vs ole miss.

[Activated Alpha]

Yall can get off your knees and wipe the slobber away from your chins boys, Shapen isn?t coming back. Swear, haven?t seen this much jaw stretching since Arnett was running the SEC

[msstate7]

Yeah, Shapen was not bad. Considering the OL, he was actually really good. People trying to trash him are always the same ones. They think the back up is always the second coming. They don't really care about the actual issues but somebody has to pay the price for their misery. Never mind what Shapen did and how the defense did not help. But changing out a QB cures all!


I have high hope for KT, but he took just as many sacks on average as Shapen. He passed for 48% vs ole miss.

KT's 351 total yards Friday is more than Shapen put up in his career (41 games). It was KT's first career start.

[EdwardDrayton]

He couldnt complete 50% and it was our 2nd worst scoring day this season and our fans act like he put on a Heisman performance- lol. It's hilarious

It was LEBBY who thought it was the right move. Probably because he didn't think Shapen was 100%.

[msstate7]

It was LEBBY who thought it was the right move.

The ones arguing with me saying Shapen is better also defend Lebby at every turn. Quite the pretzel they're twisting themselves into

[EdwardDrayton]

The ones arguing with me saying Shapen is better also defend Lebby at every turn. Quite the pretzel they're twisting themselves into

Think Lebby made it pretty clear Shapen would play if 100%. Therefore it doesn't really matter who is the better QB. Lebby felt KT was the better choice based on the circumstances. Now why he didn't get the first snap, I wouldn't be surprised if Shapen reacted badly to that prospect and that's why it didn't happen.

[RisperDawg]

I've been out of the loop most of the day aside from a text from a friend about Lane and then a quick scroll of Reddit to read about that. I was happy to come to my favorite State board to find a thread entitled "2026 Football Coaching Staff Tracker." With over 100 posts, I was excited to read about what were surely some major developments. Instead, it's nearly six pages of the same back and forth from the other threads about Lebby, Dan, etc., with no end in sight. Lol. Should've known better.

[Brobi-wan]

The ones arguing with me saying Shapen is better also defend Lebby at every turn. Quite the pretzel they're twisting themselves into

I think we probably would’ve hit on a big pass or two with Blake and maybe scored 1 extra TD. It would’ve changed exactly nothing. Giving KT the reigns to learn and build was the right move. I do think we probably get 1 extra score and a pick 6/strip sack with Blake

[Maroon Glasses]

Another stat... Shapen only has 2 career games where he has gone over 300 yards against SEC opponents. Florida and Texas.

6 total if you go back to Baylor. Those include some stout defenses. Toledo, OK State, West Virginia, and Texas State.

[Quaoarsking]

I've been out of the loop most of the day aside from a text from a friend about Lane and then a quick scroll of Reddit to read about that. I was happy to come to my favorite State board to find a thread entitled "2026 Football Coaching Staff Tracker." With over 100 posts, I was excited to read about what were surely some major developments. Instead, it's nearly six pages of the same back and forth from the other threads about Lebby, Dan, etc., with no end in sight. Lol. Should've known better.

I mean ... the OP of the thread posted about boosters trying to get Mullen in reply #1, and nobody has posted anything about who the assistants are going to be. So what else would be discussing here?

[RisperDawg]

I mean ... the OP of the thread posted about boosters trying to get Mullen in reply #1, and nobody has posted anything about who the assistants are going to be. So what else would be discussing here?

Well, that's what I'm saying. Me coming into it blind, I thought there must be some upheaval going on with the assistants. I can't complain much as I don't live in MS anymore and don't know anyone in the know, so not like I can contribute any news.

[BlackSailsDawg]

KT's 351 total yards Friday is more than Shapen put up in his career (41 games). It was KT's first career start.

And netted 19 points. I'm going to make this very clear for the few of you that have the boner for the back up year after year. 48% completions will lead to not competing. That's called one dimensional. It will take all of 3 games before the SEC defense simply do what they do. Man up and spy the QB. And KT will not make it through the season. He got banged up in the one game he started.

I'm pulling for KT, there is what I consider a very high ceiling, and Lebby has a great history on QBs. But some times, things go wrong. So you will see Lebby pull in another QB in the portal.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The ones arguing with me saying Shapen is better also defend Lebby at every turn. Quite the pretzel they're twisting themselves into

Nobody is twisting anything. It was Lebby's decision. I got behind that. I'm not blaming Lebby for starting KT and I am not calling for his job for not starting Shapen. In short, I'm not an over the top person who gets his kicks on tearing down coaches and players.

But you do you. I'm not begrudging you that.

[msstate7]

And netted 19 points. I'm going to make this very clear for the few of you that have the boner for the back up year after year. 48% completions will lead to not competing. That's called one dimensional. It will take all of 3 games before the SEC defense simply do what they do. Man up and spy the QB. And KT will not make it through the season. He got banged up in the one game he started.

I'm pulling for KT, there is what I consider a very high ceiling, and Lebby has a great history on QBs. But some times, things go wrong. So you will see Lebby pull in another QB in the portal.

It was his first game to start and it was vs a playoff team. You're an idiot if you think he's come close to capping out. Shapen capped out years ago, and it wasn't very high. We have a stud freshman qb that we should be building our program around

[BlackSailsDawg]

It was his first game to start and it was vs a playoff team. You're an idiot if you think he's come close to capping out. Shapen capped out years ago, and it wasn't very high

I don't care if it was his first or not. I don't care that is was against a play off team or not. You making excuses now? Where was your excuse for Shapen? Oh yeah.. he was not the back up.

It was made clear on here that if KT started, the results would be the same or worse. The logical reasons were given. He took as many sacks! Period. No excuses, the same average. Now, here is where we part ways. I'm not tearing KT down and calling him a statue, a loser, etc. I'm pointing out that KT suffered from the same issue that you BLAMED Shapen for. Being sacked. Let me guess... wasn't KT's fault right?

We never had a QB issue this year. We had an OL issue. And it showed up with KT too. He did not magically make those issues disappear because he ran it. It's not the way that works.

Luckily, money people saw the promise of what could have been with an OL and a DL. So we now have the money to go shopping. A better OL and we win 8+. A better DL and we take the pressure off the DBs and we win 8+.

BTW... Read what I stated again. I did not say he's capped out... LOL I clearly stated he has a high ceiling. Clearly.

[Todd4State]

I don't care if it was his first or not. I don't care that is was against a play off team or not. You making excuses now? Where was your excuse for Shapen? Oh yeah.. he was not the back up.

It was made clear on here that if KT started, the results would be the same or worse. The logical reasons were given. He took as many sacks! Period. No excuses, the same average. Now, here is where we part ways. I'm not tearing KT down and calling him a statue, a loser, etc. I'm pointing out that KT suffered from the same issue that you BLAMED Shapen for. Being sacked. Let me guess... wasn't KT's fault right?

We never had a QB issue this year. We had an OL issue. And it showed up with KT too. He did not magically make those issues disappear because he ran it. It's not the way that works.

Luckily, money people saw the promise of what could have been with an OL and a DL. So we now have the money to go shopping. A better OL and we win 8+. A better DL and we take the pressure off the DBs and we win 8+.

BTW... Read what I stated again. I did not say he's capped out... LOL I clearly stated he has a high ceiling. Clearly.

Roast them!

They still can't admit that they just want a QB run around a bunch of times. Everything is an excuse. "Well his mobility means he can make the offensive line look better." It didn't. "Him running around will let the defense rest." Stupid.

And that's why the really want Dan back. Because they know he'll run KT into the ground like every other QB that Dan had too. All the while acting like a complete bitch against Alabama and Georgia. Just beat Arkansas, Kentucky, and Ole Miss and they're happy.

[Maroon Glasses]

I don't care if it was his first or not. I don't care that is was against a play off team or not. You making excuses now? Where was your excuse for Shapen? Oh yeah.. he was not the back up.

It was made clear on here that if KT started, the results would be the same or worse. The logical reasons were given. He took as many sacks! Period. No excuses, the same average. Now, here is where we part ways. I'm not tearing KT down and calling him a statue, a loser, etc. I'm pointing out that KT suffered from the same issue that you BLAMED Shapen for. Being sacked. Let me guess... wasn't KT's fault right?

We never had a QB issue this year. We had an OL issue. And it showed up with KT too. He did not magically make those issues disappear because he ran it. It's not the way that works.

Luckily, money people saw the promise of what could have been with an OL and a DL. So we now have the money to go shopping. A better OL and we win 8+. A better DL and we take the pressure off the DBs and we win 8+.

BTW... Read what I stated again. I did not say he's capped out... LOL I clearly stated he has a high ceiling. Clearly.

The promise of what could have been. Bingo.

That's all that matters now. Go get some players and let's turn this thing around. Starting with Brayland Womack! That would be huge to flip him. I know he isn't a trench guy but would be a huge momentum piece to build a class around. Dorian Barney decommited from OM today. 4 star CB. I don't know if he would be an immediate impact guy or not but I think Womack will be. We just need something positive to get things rolling in the right direction.

[Tater]

Jesus ****.

[Tater]

I posted what I heard and not a ******* one of yall added what you're hearing, just wishcasting and ****ing same old debates.

I don't ****ing care if you like Mullen or not. I'm telling you what I was told was discussed and is good to post here. Everyone latched onto the fact that Mullen was discussed but that ultimately Lebby is safe.

No one else confirmed it - so as of now, it doesn't have double confirmation and so I'm not running it as official news. If anyone has anything to add to rumors they are hearing about our current staffing turnover - post them here. actually no the posters who said re-do this are probably right.

[Maroon Glasses]

Roast them!

They still can't admit that they just want a QB run around a bunch of times. Everything is an excuse. "Well his mobility means he can make the offensive line look better." It didn't. "Him running around will let the defense rest." Stupid.

And that's why the really want Dan back. Because they know he'll run KT into the ground like every other QB that Dan had too. All the while acting like a complete bitch against Alabama and Georgia. Just beat Arkansas, Kentucky, and Ole Miss and they're happy.

I'm not sure if you're referring to me or not, either way it's cool. I've made it clear I do not just want a running qb. It's not a recipe for success. I want KT to become a prolific passer. Break all the passing records.

But I also stand by his mobility as being important and a huge tool that can and needs to be utilized. As I'm sure it will be. Hurts, Newton, Tebow, Manziel, Burrow, Bennet, Lawrence.. the list can go in. All these guys had 2 things in common. They could pass #1. And 2.. they are mobile. They make things happen outside of the pocket utilizing their feet. It's not 1990 and 2000 anymore and I know you know this. But your standard sit in the pocket like a statue isn't set up for modern offenses. Teams are going to offer KT big money with a capital M because of what they see he possesses in his skill set.

That's all I'm saying man. Not trying to argue or seem like a know it all on here. I could careless if Dan comes back. And I wanna win them all.

[Todd4State]

I'm not sure if you're referring to me or not, either way it's cool. I've made it clear I do not just want a running qb. It's not a recipe for success. I want KT to become a prolific passer. Break all the passing records.

But I also stand by his mobility as being important and a huge tool that can and needs to be utilized. As I'm sure it will be. Hurts, Newton, Tebow, Manziel, Burrow, Bennet, Lawrence.. the list can go in. All these guys had 2 things in common. They could pass #1. And 2.. they are mobile. They make things happen outside of the pocket utilizing their feet. It's not 1990 and 2000 anymore and I know you know this. But your standard sit in the pocket like a statue isn't set up for modern offenses. Teams are going to offer KT big money with a capital M because of what they see he possesses in his skill set.

That's all I'm saying man. Not trying to argue or seem like a know it all on here. I could careless if Dan comes back. And I wanna win them all.

Wasn't talking to you.

But yes, mobility is a good thing. But a QB must be able to pass #1 as you said. Some of our fans have that backwards. KT missed Thompson twice and on the drives we had to settle for field goals he missed Evans twice. If those are completed we likely end up with TD's. That cost us about 22 points (14 for the two Thompson and 8 for the two that resulted in field goals). And if my math is correct that meant we should have scored 41 points. That's the difference in being able to do one but not the other.

[KB21]

I don?t have the sources some of you do, but I do have a guy that who told me that we were getting BOC before it ever happened. So there?s that. The same guy tells me that we have an offer in the table to Will Muschamp to be DC and are waiting on his response.

Now, my thoughts are that he?s not interested in returning to a full time coaching job yet, but that?s out there in the ether.

No. That wasn?t Bo Bounds that I got that from. It was from one of my physician colleagues who has some booster patients. FWIW.

[msstate7]

Shapen won exactly 1 sec game, and in that game KT accounted for the same amount of tds as shapen.

Sec tds this season...
Shapen 10 (283 touches) = td every 28.3 touches
KT 10* (109 touches) = td every 10.9 touches

*if you throw out stats where Shapen started the drive, this goes to...
8 TD (97 touches) = 1 td every 12.1 touches

KT is the more explosive player and it isn't even close. This is bore out in QBR.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Roast them!

They still can't admit that they just want a QB run around a bunch of times. Everything is an excuse. "Well his mobility means he can make the offensive line look better." It didn't. "Him running around will let the defense rest." Stupid.

And that's why the really want Dan back. Because they know he'll run KT into the ground like every other QB that Dan had too. All the while acting like a complete bitch against Alabama and Georgia. Just beat Arkansas, Kentucky, and Ole Miss and they're happy.

Exactly. Dan was not GREAT here at all. We had 1 10 win season. And todate had a better Rosters than Lebby. Even in the pre NIL error, he only had 1 winning season in SEC play. People want to relive that 1 season and think KT is it. It's like saying "HEY DAN!!! We found another DAK for you since YOU COULD NOT DUPLICATE IT IN ALL YOUR YEARS HERE... But We Found him.. We found him DAN! COME ON BACK!" WTH! Come on.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The promise of what could have been. Bingo.

That's all that matters now. Go get some players and let's turn this thing around. Starting with Brayland Womack! That would be huge to flip him. I know he isn't a trench guy but would be a huge momentum piece to build a class around. Dorian Barney decommited from OM today. 4 star CB. I don't know if he would be an immediate impact guy or not but I think Womack will be. We just need something positive to get things rolling in the right direction.

Thats truth. That is all that matters at this point. But it was SHAPEN and LEBBY who did their jobs and did them well to show the money people what can..CAN be at MSU. And people trying to take a crap on that because they get weird hard ons for Dan friggin "I want out of Starkville" Mullen.

[msstate7]

Thats truth. That is all that matters at this point. But it was SHAPEN and LEBBY who did their jobs and did them well to show the money people what can..CAN be at MSU. And people trying to take a crap on that because they get weird hard ons for Dan friggin "I want out of Starkville" Mullen.

Shapen and Lebby - good
KT and Mullen - bad

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm with Tater on this. If y'all want to create a megathread to reignite the Air Raid vs Ground and Pound people arguing in different form, go right ahead. But every thread doesn't have to be hijacked into the same talking points.

[Coursesuper]

I'm with Tater on this. If y'all want to create a megathread to reignite the Air Raid vs Ground and Pound people arguing in different form, go right ahead. But every thread doesn't have to be hijacked into the same talking points.

Amen brother. There is a bunch of professional gaslighting going on in this garbage.

[msstate7]

I'm with Tater on this. If y'all want to create a megathread to reignite the Air Raid vs Ground and Pound people arguing in different form, go right ahead. But every thread doesn't have to be hijacked into the same talking points.

Anyone that would take Shapen over KT going forward is a moron, period

[StarkVegasSteve]

Anyone that would take Shapen over KT going forward is a moron, period

I don't disagree with you. Actually stated that on Friday after the game. But that's not the point. The point is, if y'all want to argue another iteration of Leach vs Anti Leach( This time it's Lebby vs Mullen/ Shapen vs Kamario) then just create a separate thread for it. I bet Scooba would even sticky it to the top for everyone.

[Coach34]

Shapen won exactly 1 sec game.

Shapen doesnt play defense. We gave up 38 PPG in conference games.

You can post all the stats you want- at the end of the day the only stat that matters is points scored. He scored 19. 2nd worst all year. You cant statsplain that away. Will he be good for us next year? 100%. Will it be tough for us to keep him for his Jr year? 100%.

[Coach34]

Anyone that would take Shapen over KT going forward is a moron, period

Who said they would? I havent seen anybody post that

[msstate7]

I don't disagree with you. Actually stated that on Friday after the game. But that's not the point. The point is, if y'all want to argue another iteration of Leach vs Anti Leach( This time it's Lebby vs Mullen/ Shapen vs Kamario) then just create a separate thread for it. I bet Scooba would even sticky it to the top for everyone.

Any thread that turns in to a run down our future qb will be a thread I go down swinging in on his behalf

[msstate7]

Shapen doesnt play defense. We gave up 38 PPG in conference games.

You can post all the stats you want- at the end of the day the only stat that matters is points scored. He scored 19. 2nd worst all year. You cant statsplain that away. Will he be good for us next year? 100%. Will it be tough for us to keep him for his Jr year? 100%.

Sec tds this season...
Shapen 10 (283 touches) = td every 28.3 touches
KT 10* (109 touches) = td every 10.9 touches

*if you throw out stats where Shapen started the drive, this goes to...
8 TD (97 touches) = 1 td every 12.1 touches

KT is the more explosive player and it isn't even close. This is bore out in QBR.

If you wanna use ppg in sec play, KT accounted for the same amount in half the plays

[Coursesuper]

Sec tds this season...
Shapen 10 (283 touches) = td every 28.3 touches
KT 10* (109 touches) = td every 10.9 touches

*if you throw out stats where Shapen started the drive, this goes to...
8 TD (97 touches) = 1 td every 12.1 touches

KT is the more explosive player and it isn't even close. This is bore out in QBR.

If you wanna use ppg in sec play, KT accounted for the same amount in half the plays

Explain to me this simple football thing please.

This is old school as it gets. 40 base, pinch, cover cloud. What does that mean?

[BlackSailsDawg]

Shapen won exactly 1 sec game, and in that game KT accounted for the same amount of tds as shapen.

Sec tds this season...
Shapen 10 (283 touches) = td every 28.3 touches
KT 10* (109 touches) = td every 10.9 touches

*if you throw out stats where Shapen started the drive, this goes to...
8 TD (97 touches) = 1 td every 12.1 touches

KT is the more explosive player and it isn't even close. This is bore out in QBR.

WTH? LOL! WOW.

[Turfdawg67]

I'm with Tater on this. If y'all want to create a megathread to reignite the Air Raid vs Ground and Pound people arguing in different form, go right ahead. But every thread doesn't have to be hijacked into the same talking points.

^^^^^

[msstate7]

Explain to me this simple football thing please.

This is old school as it gets. 40 base, pinch, cover cloud. What does that mean?

4 down linemen
Slant to inside
Corners low, safety deep

[BlackSailsDawg]

Shapen and Lebby - good
KT and Mullen - bad

No.

Lebby and Shapen - Great. Why? The OL sucked ass and could not block How we were even in those games with this Roster is a massive credit to them.

Mullen, has nothing to do with KT. He will never be at MSU again. He burned his bridges and we have a better coach now.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Who said they would? I havent seen anybody post that

Nobody has stated that.

[Coursesuper]

4 down linemen
Slant to inside
Corners low, safety deep

Close cover 4. Now lets move on a little dont' google it this time. 41 scrape drop 2 halves.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Any thread that turns in to a run down our future qb will be a thread I go down swinging in on his behalf

Then why are you talking? Nobody has run down KT.

[msstate7]

No.

Lebby and Shapen - Great. Why? The OL sucked ass and could not block How we were even in those games with this Roster is a massive credit to them.

Mullen, has nothing to do with KT. He will never be at MSU again. He burned his bridges and we have a better coach now.

Lebby chose KT.

[msstate7]

Close cover 4. Now lets move on a little dont' google it this time. 41 scrape drop 2 halves.

What's the point of this? You asked your question, and I answered.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Lebby chose KT.

Do you get off on making arguments against things nobody has even argued?

[Coursesuper]

What's the point of this? You asked your question, and I answered.

Baseline understanding, If you don't want to okay.

[Turfdawg67]

What's the point of this? You asked your question, and I answered.

It is a little strange.

[Coursesuper]

It is a little strange.

You can always text me.