Instant Poll: If it were your call, would you keep Lebby or fire him?

[Quaoarsking]

Remember, I'm not asking what we will do. We all know he's getting another year. I want to see what % of the fans here want him to get one.

[cheewgumm]

Fire

[SaintDawg]

At this point, it doesn’t matter who the coach is. State could have the second coming of Saban, Bryant and Rockne together and would still screw it up.

[Quaoarsking]

At this point, it doesn’t matter who the coach is. State could have the second coming of Saban, Bryant and Rockne together and would still screw it up.

I think with a better gameday coach we could have 7 or 8 wins right now instead of 5.

[cheewgumm]

Yet, we had 3 more games we legitimately could have (some would say should have) won.

[parabrave]

He gets one more year. But he must hire a OC and a QB coach. Even more important is to hire an advisor who is a talent evaluator who can find us guys we can afford who can make differences. These type players are out there. One just beat the crap out of us.

[HoopsDawg]

I think with a better gameday coach we could have 7 or 8 wins right now instead of 5.

Timing of this poll is not great since we just lost the Egg Bowl. But firing him now would be one of the dumbest moves in history. We wouldnt have been in the position to win those games without Lebby. We improved from Year 1 to Year 2. Thats all you can ask for. Now we will see if he makes the needed adjustments for Year 3.

[EdwardDrayton]

1. Keep KT
1. Lebby gets one more year
3. We must get him an OC
3. Preferably an OC who has success developing young QBs
5. Upgrade the DL
6. Upgrade the OL

[Quaoarsking]

We wouldnt have been in the position to win those games without Lebby.
I just don't see how you can argue that only Jeff Lebby (a 1-15 SEC coach) could have even had a chance to beat 3-9 Florida this year. Like, seriously?


We improved from Year 1 to Year 2. Thats all you can ask for.
You could say this exact same sentence if we were 3-9 instead of 5-7. Would you?

[HoopsDawg]

I just don't see how you can argue that only Jeff Lebby (a 1-15 SEC coach) could have even had a chance to beat 3-9 Florida this year. Like, seriously?


You could say this exact same sentence if we were 3-9 instead of 5-7. Would you?

Lebby gave us a chance to beat UF, Texas, and Tennessee. Pretty impressive after the mess he inherited in Year 1.

[Ranchdawg]

Lebby gave us a chance to beat UF, Texas, and Tennessee. Pretty impressive after the mess he inherited in Year 1.

Yes he did but imo he also was the primary reason we lost those games!

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby gave us a chance to beat UF, Texas, and Tennessee. Pretty impressive after the mess he inherited in Year 1.

Florida is going to finish 3-9. No loss to them can be remotely impressive

[gtowndawg]

Fire that bum

[MoreCowbell]

Keep. Won?t matter anyway there?s too many built in disadvantages for us to do anything so just keep the continuity. If he goes backwards next year then fire him but he improved us enough to keep going.

[Activated Alpha]

Timing of this poll is not great since we just lost the Egg Bowl. But firing him now would be one of the dumbest moves in history. We wouldnt have been in the position to win those games without Lebby. We improved from Year 1 to Year 2. Thats all you can ask for. Now we will see if he makes the needed adjustments for Year 3.

Pretty sure hiring Arnett was the dumbest move in our recent history

[Quaoarsking]

Interesting split...

SixPackSpeak: 73-27 FIRE
EliteDawgs: 82-18 KEEP

[sandjunky]

Fire

[DownwardDawg]

Fire, but we're not.

[JimBobDawg]

Pretty sure hiring Arnett was the dumbest move in our recent history
That was the start of this mess we are in.

[CaptainObvious]

Timing of this poll is not great since we just lost the Egg Bowl. But firing him now would be one of the dumbest moves in history. We wouldnt have been in the position to win those games without Lebby. We improved from Year 1 to Year 2. Thats all you can ask for. Now we will see if he makes the needed adjustments for Year 3.

That is not ALL I COULD ASK FOR!

[TheLostDawg]

That was the start of this mess we are in.

Yet no one has faced consequences for it and it's cost us a significant amount of money

[memsu06]

Firing Lebby would be the dumbest thing to do right now.

There isn't another coach out there we could land right now that would be better.

Support upgrades to coaching staff and NIL to get more portal players. Hire a guy to evaluate under rated talent.

[Bothrops]

Fire him. Next year the schedule is probably worse and we are no better right now than we were when Lebby arrived. We were for a moment but have regressed since.

[Coursesuper]

That was the start of this mess we are in.

Believe it or not it?s way deeper than that.

[Turfdawg67]

Nice thread... same as your last six. Wouldn't read again.

[SpaceBully]

Keep

[Dawgology]

He?s the sole reason we aren?t bowling this year. FIRE

[Crystal Balls]

Keep

[Catfish]

KEEP

[ScooterDog]

E. Drayton said it all. I'm not smart enough to copy another post. But he summed it up 100%..

[Doggie_Style]

We hired a first time AD, HC and DC. We literally signed up for the results we are seeing. Our admin. basically knew this would happen and they will throw another season onto the flaming alter of stupidity before they make a change.

[KB21]

If your goal is to end up with a service academy head coach, fire Lebby. You fire Lebby, and no credible coach will even answer the call from us. Particularly with the other jobs that are open.

[No BS Dawg]

Need a real defensive coordinator first and foremost. Hutzler is not it and defense could not top a team of grandmas on walkers the last 4 games of the season. Lebby gets another year if he does that. An OC would be nice too.

[Quaoarsking]

If your goal is to end up with a service academy head coach, fire Lebby. You fire Lebby, and no credible coach will even answer the call from us. Particularly with the other jobs that are open.

All 3 "service academy head coaches" would be an improvement over Lebby. Was that supposed to be an insult?

[KB21]

All 3 "service academy head coaches" would be an improvement over Lebby. Was that supposed to be an insult?

LOL. Yeah. The triple option is what we need to be running. No need to ever throw the ball.

[Quaoarsking]

LOL. Yeah. The triple option is what we need to be running. No need to ever throw the ball.

Brian Newberry came up as a DC and is unlikely to be committed to the "triple option." Troy Calhoun has mixed passing when he has a QB who can do it.

Most importantly, all 3 of them are good enough coaches to adapt to the SEC rather than just forcing in whatever their personal favorite system is. I'm not saying that any of them is my #1 choice, but all 3 would likely be better than 1-15 in their first 2 years as a head coach, with 0 blowouts to MAC teams and 0 losses that were entirely due to coaching fuсkups.

[KB21]

Brian Newberry came up as a DC and is unlikely to be committed to the "triple option." Troy Calhoun has mixed passing when he has a QB who can do it.

Most importantly, all 3 of them are good enough coaches to adapt to the SEC rather than just forcing in whatever their personal favorite system is. I'm not saying that any of them is my #1 choice, but all 3 would likely be better than 1-15 in their first 2 years as a head coach, with 0 blowouts to MAC teams and 0 losses that were entirely due to coaching fuсkups.

Yeah. As long as we run the ball all the time and abide by a bunch of conventional theory tropes instead of being aggressive and analytically sound.

[Quaoarsking]

Yeah. As long as we run the ball all the time and abide by a bunch of conventional theory tropes instead of being aggressive and analytically sound.

As the undisputed king of the Leach fanboys, I think we all know that I am not a "run the ball all the time" kind of guy, nor some kind of anti-analytics luddite.

I just don't think the stereotypes that you're describing apply to Newberry, Calhoun, or Monken. All 3 of them are excellent at winning with what they have and have adapted in their own ways.

[Maroon Glasses]

I guess this is where I stand alone.

For me, I don't care what offense we run as long as we win. I dont care what defense we run as long as we win. I don't care where the coach comes from as long as he is a successful coach. I get the service academies aren't flashy but they are winning with $0 of NIL money. Newberry has done a great job, imo.

I'm not calling for him to be our coach. I wouldn't throw a fit about it if he was tho. He has done more with less and I think that's the kind of coach we need if they decide to fire Lebby.

[KB21]

As the undisputed king of the Leach fanboys, I think we all know that I am not a "run the ball all the time" kind of guy, nor some kind of anti-analytics luddite.

I just don't think the stereotypes that you're describing apply to Newberry, Calhoun, or Monken. All 3 of them are excellent at winning with what they have and have adapted in their own ways.

I am 100% against a philosophy of defense first, run the ball, win TOP and all those other tropes. I?m not willing to be the SEC team that wants to see if a service academy coach will change his philosophy.

[schddog72]

Yes he did but imo he also was the primary reason we lost those games!

Just throwing this out there - University of Arizona was an absolute dumpster fire last year; they were horrible. This year they finished 9 - 3 and dough-popped Arizona State Friday night. So, one-year turnarounds ARE possible; our coaching staff is just not getting it done.

[Quaoarsking]

I am 100% against a philosophy of defense first, run the ball, win TOP and all those other tropes. I?m not willing to be the SEC team that wants to see if a service academy coach will change his philosophy.

I am 100% against that philosophy as well, and have 20 years of posting history to prove it. Nonetheless, I think all 3 service academy coaches would be an upgrade over what we currently have.

[KB21]

I am 100% against that philosophy as well, and have 20 years of posting history to prove it. Nonetheless, I think all 3 service academy coaches would be an upgrade over what we currently have.

I see no objective reason why anyone would think this. In one year, Lebby has improved this team in almost every aspect from what he inherited from Arnett. Offensive EPA/play has improved from -0.021 to +0.055. Defensive EPA/play has improved from +0.046 to -0.025.

The team has gone from just hoping to be 2-3 scores behind to actually being competitive with a chance to win some games.

Then you look at his history as a coordinator, which is littered with top 10 offenses both passing and rushing. His history with QBs is impeccable.

I think you are letting emotion be the decision maker here, and emotion is a horrible decision maker.

[Quaoarsking]

Can you link me to those metrics, and include the numbers from 2022 and 2023, since I don't really care about Lebby's improvement from 2024 when he was the head coach?

Also I'd like to see some Mullen era numbers for comparison.

[KB21]

Can you link me to those metrics, and include the numbers from 2022 and 2023, since I don't really care about Lebby's improvement from 2024 when he was the head coach?

Also I'd like to see some Mullen era numbers for comparison.

https://www.cfb-graphs.com/protected/teams

[Quaoarsking]

https://www.cfb-graphs.com/protected/teams

Interesting stuff. Currently diving into it.

[KB21]

Interesting stuff. Currently diving into it.

It shows how good we were offensively under Mike and how insane some in this fanbase was who wanted to fire him.

[KB21]

I think, with KT getting a spring under his belt as the starter and with more progression in the passing aspect of the offense, we will see Lebby have a top 20 EPA/play offense in 2026.

[The Federalist Engineer]

My friend from out of town asked me "who are you hiring to replace Lebby?"