The Jans Experience is Over

[Tater]

They've mailed it in. Embarassing. Absolutely embarassing.

It feels like we haven't gotten better at all each year. Maybe 23 -> 24 but this is pathetic.

And I don't give a damn about NIL. You're getting beaten by teams with way less NIL. A joke.

[msstate7]

I don't want him fired this season, but this is unacceptable. Let's just hope this is Jans' Dennis gates season 2 at mizzou with a bounce back next season

[Tater]

I don't want him fired this season, but this is unacceptable. Let's just hope this is Jans' Dennis gates season 2 at mizzou with a bounce back next season

Josh Hubbard missed five free throws (so far). I want Jans fired tomorrow. His coaching actively makes players shoot worse somehow.

[Cowbell]

How can you have one of the top returning starters in the country and have the appearance of a juco team?

[CaptainObvious]

Jan?s is a genius miracle worker playing Ali in overtime!

[TrapGame]

This why I don't care about basketball or baseball.

I can only lose my shit over one sport.

#Putthemoneyinfootball

[archdog]

Disagree. Rebuilding year. For some reason we are the only teams that still has those.

[Rawdawg]

How can you have one of the top returning starters in the country and have the appearance of a juco team?

You surround him with JUCO players.

[DownwardDawg]

This why I don't care about basketball or baseball.

I can only lose my shit over one sport.

#Putthemoneyinfootball

Baseball will give you the most happiness you will ever experience as a State fan. Football is always king, but thank God for MSU baseball!!!!

[BeardoMSU]

Disagree. Rebuilding year. For some reason we are the only teams that still has those.

In all sports, too.

[Todd4State]

Baseball will give you the most happiness you will ever experience as a State fan. Football is always king, but thank God for MSU baseball!!!!

Even then when we lose that first random midweek game to Austin Peay here come the pitch forks.

[KentuckyDawg13]

Score says otherwise.

[AROB44]

"Josh Hubbard missed five free throws (so far). I want Jans fired tomorrow. His coaching actively makes players shoot worse somehow."


Firing coaches is actually the favorite sport at MSU.

[R2Dawg]

They've mailed it in. Embarassing. Absolutely embarassing.

It feels like we haven't gotten better at all each year. Maybe 23 -> 24 but this is pathetic.

And I don't give a damn about NIL. You're getting beaten by teams with way less NIL. A joke.

Oh no, we are told by people on here every day NIL is the 100% cause of winning. Coaching is not a factor at all.

We just didn't buy an NBA team to compensate for poor coaching because that is what we got to do at MSU.

It takes players (the right players) and good coaching to win - period. Until MSU figures that out, we'll be poor (wasting $ on wrong players) and disappointed by the product we put out.

[R2Dawg]

Disagree. Rebuilding year. For some reason we are the only teams that still has those.

I don't think you rebuild anymore with portal but we are wasting a year of Hubbard.

[R2Dawg]

I don't want him fired this season, but this is unacceptable. Let's just hope this is Jans' Dennis gates season 2 at mizzou with a bounce back next season

Agree, Jans has earned some capital. Give him next year to right the ship. Going to be a long season.

[basedog]

"Josh Hubbard missed five free throws (so far). I want Jans fired tomorrow. His coaching actively makes players shoot worse somehow."


Firing coaches is actually the favorite sport at MSU.

LOL, well ED has some Village People! YMCA posters who post like they dress, LOL

[basedog]

I don't think you rebuild anymore with portal but we are wasting a year of Hubbard.

It is very early to really know, it is never how you start in Basketball it's how you finish! I know this firsthand, Jans isn't stupid and I expect us to play better.

[KOdawg1]

The way we're playing is unacceptable, and I don't think we're a good team.

But to say "the experiment is over" is just stupid lol.

The guy made the tournament 3 years in a row. We can argue postseason success and all of that, but if Chris Jans makes the tournament 3 out of every 4 years, he'll go down as the best coach we've ever had. Step back from the ledge people.

[Tater]

Score says otherwise.

We were down 13 points with 5 minutes to go against UNO in basketball. We were 20+ point favorites. We won on an OT buzzer beater that was a horrible offensive sequence resulting in a low quality shot that banked in.

Do not try to "well actually we won" that game. Those of us who watched know how god awful we played.

We went 15-29 from FT. Josh Hubbard went 5-12. Somehow in year 4 our guys are regressing at the FT line after Jan's has already shown that he doesn't fix a single guy at the line's shot. Someone also wanted the FBI to look into the point shaving. The O/U closed at 160.5. It was 81-78 (159 total) w/ .2 left and the refs decided to take the opportunity to expose Hubbard's point shaving even more. He bricked two more FTs.

Last night was embarassingly bad. The past week is a sign that State will be lucky to win a conference game. This is the worst looking team we've had since Rick Ray years. Might be worse - who knows where true rock bottom is.

These are not games you play close and just find a way to win. These are games you win by 20 and get guys some work. State right now needs a serious change of style and cohesion otherwise this will quickly become a lost year.

[msstate7]

We were down 13 points with 5 minutes to go against UNO in basketball. We were 20+ point favorites. We won on an OT buzzer beater that was a horrible offensive sequence resulting in a low quality shot that banked in.

Do not try to "well actually we won" that game. Those of us who watched know how god awful we played.

We went 15-29 from FT. Josh Hubbard went 5-12. Somehow in year 4 our guys are regressing at the FT line after Jan's has already shown that he doesn't fix a single guy at the line's shot. Someone also wanted the FBI to look into the point shaving. The O/U closed at 160.5. It was 81-78 (159 total) w/ .2 left and the refs decided to take the opportunity to expose Hubbard's point shaving even more. He bricked two more FTs.

Last night was embarassingly bad. The past week is a sign that State will be lucky to win a conference game. This is the worst looking team we've had since Rick Ray years. Might be worse - who knows where true rock bottom is.

These are not games you play close and just find a way to win. These are games you win by 20 and get guys some work. State right now needs a serious change of style and cohesion otherwise this will quickly become a lost year.

For the record, my fbi comment was a joke. My expectations for this season have bottomed out, and I don't see myself getting too worked up over MBK.

I'll also add in previous seasons, we've had some close calls to bad teams, and we even lost to a swac school. With this team though, well, let's just say I don't feel good about them. Perhaps Josh, Epps, and Ali have another gear

[Tater]

The way we're playing is unacceptable, and I don't think we're a good team.

But to say "the experiment is over" is just stupid lol.

The guy made the tournament 3 years in a row. We can argue postseason success and all of that, but if Chris Jans makes the tournament 3 out of every 4 years, he'll go down as the best coach we've ever had. Step back from the ledge people.

I'd argue with how college basketball is trending that we've been more of a benefactor of NIL / transfer portal / covid year than exceptional coaching. Two of those things are leveling out across the playing field while NIL is having some adverse side effects (see Kanye Clary).

Every SEC school making the tournament is going to be the norm within 10 years and missing the tournament is probably a fireable offense.

Not just losing to UNO but playing 35 minutes of atrocious basketball and being down 10+ should never happen. Box score watching does not emphasize how bad last night was.

Zigging with a defensive experiment that forgoes FTs and 3s in the FTs and 3s era is both frustrating to watch and yielding frustrating results. We're six games in and so far:

Trailed by 9 in the second half against North Alabama (24 point favorites)
Lost by double digits and never competed against Iowa State
Led by as little as 2 against SELA in the second half and only won by 7 (27 point favorites)
Never competed against Kansas State and lost a game we were favored to win by 21
Earned a transitive loss to Jans last school, New Mexico State, by losing to New Mexico. (This honestly is the only game so far on the schedule that at least is somewhat ok - but again shows we struggle to beat tourney teams)
Then last night's pathetic performance against UNO - down 13 with 5 to go.

Objectively - we gotta ask are we getting the ROI that we should be here? We're paying a coach 4 million. We're paying a ton in basketball NIL. Yet we have no tourney wins and look worse offensively and are seeing players regress under Jans tutelage. Sure historically this would be a good run for State. Historically we also didn't pay players to this degree nor a coach this high of a salary.

The standard shouldn't be our past. The standard should be our SEC peers. And right now - Jans is bottom 3 relative to his peers.

[KOdawg1]

I'd argue with how college basketball is trending that we've been more of a benefactor of NIL / transfer portal / covid year than exceptional coaching. Two of those things are leveling out across the playing field while NIL is having some adverse side effects (see Kanye Clary).

Every SEC school making the tournament is going to be the norm within 10 years and missing the tournament is probably a fireable offense.

Not just losing to UNO but playing 35 minutes of atrocious basketball and being down 10+ should never happen. Box score watching does not emphasize how bad last night was.

Zigging with a defensive experiment that forgoes FTs and 3s in the FTs and 3s era is both frustrating to watch and yielding frustrating results. We're six games in and so far:

Trailed by 9 in the second half against North Alabama (24 point favorites)
Lost by double digits and never competed against Iowa State
Led by as little as 2 against SELA in the second half and only won by 7 (27 point favorites)
Never competed against Kansas State and lost a game we were favored to win by 21
Earned a transitive loss to Jans last school, New Mexico State, by losing to New Mexico. (This honestly is the only game so far on the schedule that at least is somewhat ok - but again shows we struggle to beat tourney teams)
Then last night's pathetic performance against UNO - down 13 with 5 to go.

Objectively - we gotta ask are we getting the ROI that we should be here? We're paying a coach 4 million. We're paying a ton in basketball NIL. Yet we have no tourney wins and look worse offensively and are seeing players regress under Jans tutelage. Sure historically this would be a good run for State. Historically we also didn't pay players to this degree nor a coach this high of a salary.

The standard shouldn't be our past. The standard should be our SEC peers. And right now - Jans is bottom 3 relative to his peers.

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[R2Dawg]

It is very early to really know, it is never how you start in Basketball it's how you finish! I know this firsthand, Jans isn't stupid and I expect us to play better.

Agree, Jans mixes up the lineups this time of year too. We have some talent just raw and team chemistry isn't there right now.

I don't think I called Jans stupid? Sure he is smart and all these coaches do the best they can with what they got in the lottery transfer game every year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Last night was not good and the stats bear that out. A few positives though:

1. We won. Please do not let that get lost in all this. We were down 66-53 with 5:14 to go and they scored 2 points the rest of the way in regulation. Sometimes you have to find ways to win on your worst nights, even if you're a bad team.

2. We won without our second scoring option in Epps and without one of our bench guys in Macura. That seems to be getting lost in all of this. We lost 2 guys who are in our top 7. Other guys stepped up.

3. We may have found something with Ali. The kid plays hard and can attack the basket. If it was me, I'd replace Achor with Ali moving forward. Ali is longer and gives us a little more defensively.


Any way you slice it, last night was not good. But it would've been EXPONENTIALLY worse with a loss. For the folks that are saying we need to fire Jans, get a damn grip. The guy has taken us to 3 straight tournaments. He's went to one of those tournaments with ZERO shooting. This team is still trying to gel and when they do we'll be fine. I'm not predicting us to get to the S16 or anything, but if we can get going, we're going to be just fine in the long term. We have a couple of these games every damn year. Last year we struggled with Prairie View and were run off the floor by a bad Butler team. Two years ago, we lost to freaking Southern and were dominated by a god awful Georgia Tech team.

[Tater]

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*checks bingo spot for Mississippian bragging about its illiteracy off my Thanksgiving bingo card*

[Tater]

Last night was not good and the stats bear that out. A few positives though:

1. We won. Please do not let that get lost in all this. We were down 66-53 with 5:14 to go and they scored 2 points the rest of the way in regulation. Sometimes you have to find ways to win on your worst nights, even if you're a bad team.

2. We won without our second scoring option in Epps and without one of our bench guys in Macura. That seems to be getting lost in all of this. We lost 2 guys who are in our top 7. Other guys stepped up.

3. We may have found something with Ali. The kid plays hard and can attack the basket. If it was me, I'd replace Achor with Ali moving forward. Ali is longer and gives us a little more defensively.


Any way you slice it, last night was not good. But it would've been EXPONENTIALLY worse with a loss. For the folks that are saying we need to fire Jans, get a damn grip. The guy has taken us to 3 straight tournaments. He's went to one of those tournaments with ZERO shooting. This team is still trying to gel and when they do we'll be fine. I'm not predicting us to get to the S16 or anything, but if we can get going, we're going to be just fine in the long term. We have a couple of these games every damn year. Last year we struggled with Prairie View and were run off the floor by a bad Butler team. Two years ago, we lost to freaking Southern and were dominated by a god awful Georgia Tech team.

It's the same story every year. No outside shooting. Guys regressing at the FT line. Cool we locked up ****ing UNO for 5 minutes on defense. That's Jans signature - we have 5 minute spurt of defense every game where the opponent doesn't score. Too bad when we play teams with a pulse they just take the 5 minutes of porous defense we have and score 30 in that.

Again - it's ridiculous for us to judge against Mississippi State historically when the recruiting / portal / NIL are vastly different. The SEC and B10 are setup to be half of the NCAA tourney moving forward just because of the patch on the jersey and the "SoS" (aka money spent by everyone on the rosters). We're worse than our peers in that regard.

Maybe we come together and use last night as rock bottom. More likely - we crater and are all enjoying baseball season in March.

[msstate7]

It's the same story every year. No outside shooting. Guys regressing at the FT line. Cool we locked up ****ing UNO for 5 minutes on defense. That's Jans signature - we have 5 minute spurt of defense every game where the opponent doesn't score. Too bad when we play teams with a pulse they just take the 5 minutes of porous defense we have and score 30 in that.

Again - it's ridiculous for us to judge against Mississippi State historically when the recruiting / portal / NIL are vastly different. The SEC and B10 are setup to be half of the NCAA tourney moving forward just because of the patch on the jersey and the "SoS" (aka money spent by everyone on the rosters). We're worse than our peers in that regard.

Maybe we come together and use last night as rock bottom. More likely - we crater and are all enjoying baseball season in March.

Perhaps you're right... which sec teams have made the tourney 3 of last 3 seasons?

[msstate7]

Here's a top 10 in nil spending in MBK...

https://collegefootballnetwork.com/mens-college-basketball/top-10-college-basketball-programs-that-have-spent-the-most-nil-money-so-far-this-season/

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I wish it were a longer list, but it gives you a glimpse into MBK. The sec isn't gonna spend like they do in football compared to the rest of the country.

[R2Dawg]

Here's a top 10 in nil spending in MBK...

https://collegefootballnetwork.com/mens-college-basketball/top-10-college-basketball-programs-that-have-spent-the-most-nil-money-so-far-this-season/

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I wish it were a longer list, but it gives you a glimpse into MBK. The sec isn't gonna spend like they do in football compared to the rest of the country.

That is very interesting. How in the world does the SEC win games and titles not spending the most money on NIL?

According to football experts, if you are not #1 in NIL, you can't win. Can anyone explain this? Only one SEC team in top 10 UK (no surprise) but they can't win big in the lowly SEC who don't spend national money in NIL?

[msugolf]

Here's a top 10 in nil spending in MBK...

https://collegefootballnetwork.com/mens-college-basketball/top-10-college-basketball-programs-that-have-spent-the-most-nil-money-so-far-this-season/

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I wish it were a longer list, but it gives you a glimpse into MBK. The sec isn't gonna spend like they do in football compared to the rest of the country.

That list isn?t accurate. There?s some mixed truths in there but Evan even states in there that it only includes transfers and not entire rosters.

[Homedawg]

Here's a top 10 in nil spending in MBK...

https://collegefootballnetwork.com/mens-college-basketball/top-10-college-basketball-programs-that-have-spent-the-most-nil-money-so-far-this-season/

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I wish it were a longer list, but it gives you a glimpse into MBK. The sec isn't gonna spend like they do in football compared to the rest of the country.

If you believe the numbers on that list I've got some land to sell you. It's not even remotely close.

[Coach34]

If you believe the numbers on that list I've got some land to sell you. It's not even remotely close.

yeah no doubt. We spent more than whats posted on that list. UPig and Kentucky spent $20MM plus

[msstate7]

If you believe the numbers on that list I've got some land to sell you.

So where do you think we are? Top 20? Top 37? I use 37 bc there are 37 at large bids in the ncaa tourney.

[msstate7]

yeah no doubt. We spent more than whats posted on that list. UPig and Kentucky spent $20MM plus

That's was estimated on transfers only

[Coach34]

So where do you think we are? Top 20? Top 37? I use 37 bc there are 37 at large bids in the ncaa tourney.

Supposedly we are middle to lower middle of the pack in the SEC

[msstate7]

Supposedly we are middle to lower middle of the pack in the SEC

And that's good for us. That would still put us 30-40th nationwide or worse

[WSOPdawg]

We went 15-29 from FT. Josh Hubbard went 5-12. Somehow in year 4 our guys are regressing at the FT line after Jan's has already shown that he doesn't fix a single guy at the line's shot. Someone also wanted the FBI to look into the point shaving. The O/U closed at 160.5. It was 81-78 (159 total) w/ .2 left and the refs decided to take the opportunity to expose Hubbard's point shaving even more. He bricked two more FTs.



This exact thought actually crossed my mind as I watched Josh shoot FT's last night as if he was Shaquille O'neil... totally unlike the automatic FT-making machine we know Josh is. With betting scandals now prevalent in MLB, NBA, NCAAhoops, UFC, etc. it's almost impossible for a spectator or fan to even think about placing a bet anymore.

[tcdog70]

Wish we could’ve kept Nowoko. We won, although Epps didn’t play and Hub was awful for most of the game. We would have won by ten if we hadn’t missed so many free throws. Hub missed many. Jan’s is trying to find out the right mixture. I’m hold out for a few more games before I’m on the fire Jan’s train.

[Coach34]

lol- we arent firing coaches with huge buyouts left. Jan has 3 more years left after this season

[Pancho]

Next year all will be talking about how well the team meshes

[Thick]

lol- we arent firing coaches with huge buyouts left. Jan has 3 more years left after this season

Hindsight being 20/20?..****ed ourselves again.

[EdwardDrayton]

We need to change the model. Salaries should be stair-stepped based on season performance. Perform like an assistant coach, get paid and bought out like an assistant.

[War Machine Dawg]

We need to change the model. Salaries should be stair-stepped based on season performance. Perform like an assistant coach, get paid and bought out like an assistant.

Losing should be a "for cause" reason to terminate the contract of a coach, if he or she is below a certain win percentage. Having to pay coaches to leave when they suck is stupid. Becoming a head coach in the SEC is like winning the lottery. Even if you only last a year, you're set for life. I like the idea of making the contacts for coaches heavily incentive based, as you mentioned. You want to make the big money as a coach? Win.

I don't really care about basketball, so I don't have a dog in the hunt. My opinion is Jans has plenty of credit in the bank due to 3 straight Tournament appearances. Unless it goes horribly wrong, this year is a free hit. But he'll need to start strong next year or he's got to go.

[SpaceBully]

Disagree. Rebuilding year. For some reason we are the only teams that still has those.

Yeah, and the school 90 miles to the east of us just keeps reloading year after year and doesn't miss a beat.

[SpaceBully]

We need to change the model. Salaries should be stair-stepped based on season performance. Perform like an assistant coach, get paid and bought out like an assistant.

100% agree. In fact, I'd like to see a coach's pay weighted heavier on incentives than on his base. Pay him a base of 2-3 million per year, and have incentives if fully met, amounting to about 3-4 million per year.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Yeah, and the school 90 miles to the east of us just keeps reloading year after year and doesn't miss a beat.

Alabama also has a historically better program than us in pretty much all aspects, especially now that they got a final 4. I do think Auburn will drop off a good bit though now that Pearl is gone.

[Coach34]

Yeah, and the school 90 miles to the east of us just keeps reloading year after year and doesn't miss a beat.

2 reasons:

Bama has a fun run and gun offense
Bama spends more in NIL than we do

[somebodyshotmypaw]

We need to change the model. Salaries should be stair-stepped based on season performance. Perform like an assistant coach, get paid and bought out like an assistant.

College coaches have a gravy train. Contracts. They don’t have to compete on a daily basis because you owe them big money if you fire them. I go to work and compete every single day because I can be let go at any time. And yet 99% of these coaches never win anything. They are constantly rewarded for a lack of success. I’m not talking specifically about Jans, but rather the entire industry. Kiffin has never won a championship and he is pursued. It’s honestly crazy. But it is what it is.

[msstate7]

College coaches have a gravy train. Contracts. They don?t have to compete on a daily basis because you owe them big money if you fire them. I go to work and compete every single day because I can be let go at any time. And yet 99% of these coaches never win anything. They are constantly rewarded for a lack of success. I?m not talking specifically about Jans, but rather the entire industry. Kiffin has never won a championship and he is pursued. It?s honestly crazy. But it is what it is.

Kiffin's run at OM has earned OM and Oxford far more than they've paid him. Having a successful football program is very profitable. OM now has the most students in the state, and you can thank their football program for that

[somebodyshotmypaw]

Kiffin's run at OM has earned OM and Oxford far more than they've paid him. Having a successful football program is very profitable. OM now has the most students in the state, and you can thank their football program for that

Agreed. But he still hasn’t won anything. He only competes against 13 other teams (now 15 since expansion) and has yet to win a conference title. That’s mediocrity. It’s a highly lucrative profession.

[NCMSTFAN]

I was curious about some of the guys who left and how they were doing at their new locations. Alot of guys are playing really well, I know money plays a factor in alot of this but why couldn't we keep some of that talent we had on the roster? If we had a few of these guys still, I think our season would look a little different:

Riley Kugel 17.7 ppg 2.6 rpg 3.1 apg at UCF
Mike Nwoko 19 ppg 5.4 rpg 76% FG at LSU
Martavious Russell 16.7 ppg 3.1 rpg 1.1 apg at ULM
Keshawn Murphy 12.4 ppg 5.4 rpg 1.8 apg at Auburn

To a lesser extent Kanye Clary and Trey Fort are both at 7 ppg at Oklahoma State and Michigan state respectively and I would take them both on this team right now. At the end of the day recruiting is what matters and keeping your best players matter as well. As you can see we lost alot of talent and didn't replace it well at all. Again I know money plays a factor now but according to some who have more insight, some of those players were offered what they wanted but still left. Of our new transfers the only one that gives me hope is Epps and on occasion Mcghee... hopefully we can get this thing turned around because one thing about basketball is we have plenty of time and opportunity to get back on track. It starts against SMU next game, we desperately need a solid non conference win.

[Coach34]

Murphy got a nice raise to leave and we didnt really encourage Kugel to stay. Cant speak as to the other guys

[Tater]

Murphy got a nice raise to leave and we didnt really encourage Kugel to stay. Cant speak as to the other guys

Keeping Kugel instead of Jones doesn't fit Jans vision for this team. Even though with Hubbard - having high scoring outputs around him is what we need. It just is what it is with Jans at this point and his ceiling is clearly showing unless he re-invents himself.

Let's start by making every player shoot 500 FTs a day and have to end on 10 straight makes.

[WSOPdawg]

I was curious about some of the guys who left and how they were doing at their new locations. Alot of guys are playing really well, I know money plays a factor in alot of this but why couldn't we keep some of that talent we had on the roster? If we had a few of these guys still, I think our season would look a little different:

Riley Kugel 17.7 ppg 2.6 rpg 3.1 apg at UCF
Mike Nwoko 19 ppg 5.4 rpg 76% FG at LSU
Martavious Russell 16.7 ppg 3.1 rpg 1.1 apg at ULM
Keshawn Murphy 12.4 ppg 5.4 rpg 1.8 apg at Auburn



Wow, we knew Keshawn would be a loss, but does anybody know how far off with NIL $ we were for Kugel and Nwoko? Several say Kugel was an attitude problem for the team, but the dude had talent when he was "on." I'm surprised Nwoko is doing so well at LSU, which makes me wonder why it seems a change of venue away from Starkville is what it takes for some other coach to get the most out of our players after they transfer - what are we doing wrong?

And it's not just basketball, just to name a few...
- Slate Alford turned into a great teammate with high offensive output at UGA on the diamond the last 2 years;
- Mario Craver with aTm this year (although we did upgrade with Brenen Thompson imo);
- Sawyer Roberson at Baylor;
- Woody Marks at USC several years back;
- Garrett Schraeder to Syracuse several years back;

I'm sure there are others that I'm missing but these come to mind right off.

[Thick]

Anybody watching Syracuse vs Iowa State? Good basketball being played on TNT.

[Coach34]

I'm surprised Nwoko is doing so well at LSU, which makes me wonder why it seems a change of venue away from Starkville is what it takes for some other coach to get the most out of our players after they transfer - what are we doing wrong?
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Works both ways.

Thompson has done more this year than his previous 3 years combined. Same with Evans
Shapen is having one of his better years and his best completion percentage.
Lanier is having a great season.
Melendez was the same guy for Jan he was at Georgia
Kugel's stats were a little better last year than the year before- so was Nwoko's

And even tho Lemon couldnt keep the program where it needed to be- he brought in some great transfers that thrived for us- Reece, Purdue, Sully, Frei, Hugesack, Dohm, Ledbetter, etc

[BrunswickDawg]

Works both ways.

Thompson has done more this year than his previous 3 years combined. Same with Evans
Shapen is having one of his better years and his best completion percentage.
Lanier is having a great season.
Melendez was the same guy for Jan he was at Georgia
Kugel's stats were a little better last year than the year before- so was Nwoko's

And even tho Lemon couldnt keep the program where it needed to be- he brought in some great transfers that thrived for us- Reece, Purdue, Sully, Frei, Hugesack, Dohm, Ledbetter, etc

Sometimes it is really about the opportunity of a fresh start. Going from 2nd or 3rd string to a place where you compete for first can re-invent players.
Even starters get stale sometimes - and the change pushes them to do better.

[Maroon Glasses]

Sometimes it is really about the opportunity of a fresh start. Going from 2nd or 3rd string to a place where you compete for first can re-invent players.
Even starters get stale sometimes - and the change pushes them to do better.

This and just being another year older. That's another year of practice, experience, growth, etc.

This is what use to make college sports so great. You build a team and they grow together. That's where dynasties came from. All that is a thing of the past now. Shoot from the hip on a player in the portal and hope.for the best.

[Thick]

Iowa State is pretty good. It was a 1 point game at the half. Iowa State won by 32!

[msstate7]

Iowa State is pretty good. It was a 1 point game at the half. Iowa State won by 32!

They've also beat St. John's and drilled creighton

[R2Dawg]

Iowa State is pretty good. It was a 1 point game at the half. Iowa State won by 32!

ISU is a final 4 quality team - veterans too. If we hadn't played so sloppy with TO we could have played with them.

Our team is just very raw and no chemistry yet. I've not given up on them yet. When you got Hubbard and Epps one of best backcourts in SEC, you got a chance.

[Thick]

ISU is a final 4 quality team - veterans too. If we hadn't played so sloppy with TO we could have played with them.

Our team is just very raw and no chemistry yet. I've not given up on them yet. When you got Hubbard and Epps one of best backcourts in SEC, you got a chance.

We definitely made it easy for Iowa State, but I?m not sure about Epps & Hubb being one of the best backcourts in the country. We need bigger perimeter players in my opinion.

[Coach34]

but I?m not sure about Epps & Hubb being one of the best backcourts in the country. We need bigger perimeter players in my opinion.

Yes. We do not have one of the best backcourts in the country. We are probably middle of the pac in the SEC. Hubbard scores but he doesnt defend all that well. Epps is solid for sure.

[NCMSTFAN]

Wow, we knew Keshawn would be a loss, but does anybody know how far off with NIL $ we were for Kugel and Nwoko? Several say Kugel was an attitude problem for the team, but the dude had talent when he was "on." I'm surprised Nwoko is doing so well at LSU, which makes me wonder why it seems a change of venue away from Starkville is what it takes for some other coach to get the most out of our players after they transfer - what are we doing wrong?

And it's not just basketball, just to name a few...
- Slate Alford turned into a great teammate with high offensive output at UGA on the diamond the last 2 years;
- Mario Craver with aTm this year (although we did upgrade with Brenen Thompson imo);
- Sawyer Roberson at Baylor;
- Woody Marks at USC several years back;
- Garrett Schraeder to Syracuse several years back;

I'm sure there are others that I'm missing but these come to mind right off.

Good points but Jans lost all this this past season other than Trey Fort who transferred the year before.. thats a heck of alot of talent we lost in a very short period of time. We lose guys and they go to other schools and lead them in scoring. Jans didnt replace what we lost well at all. The examples you gave ( while accurate) were several years apart..

[PGHBulldogBG]

Basically we have a roster of 1 SEC level player in Hubbard. A borderline one in Eppes and then a bunch of players that are not really G5 talent. Grace and Fleming are raw freshmen and Bartlett decided to not show up ready so that is why we are in this situation.