If Lebby fails nexts season, should we look at what byu and Utah do?

[msstate7]

As teams are getting lighter and lighter on defense to deal with spread offenses, Utah and byu are playing power football. Both are ranked teams.

I have no idea if this would work in the sec, but I think we have to try to figure out how to stay ahead of the curve. Trying to do what other teams with better funding do isn't really a path to success. So whether it's power football or something else, we have to try and find a way to neutralize our disadvantages.

Let's just hope Lebby doesn't fail, and this ain't an issue.

[Tater]

The answer was Leach with a mobile QB. Sawyer Robertson would have us in the playoffs last year / this year.

I'd love Brennan Marion. Had a really solid first year at Sacramento State. Only one "wtf" loss. Played an FBS team close. Played a top 5 FCS team close. First game got smacked by a different top 5 FCS team.

It's early in his trajectory but him and his "Go-Go" offense with two backs set in different spots is unique enough to cause fits. By 2030 he'll have a major head coaching job or be the hottest name on every search board. He's gonna take his lumps right now - would be awesome to get a guy so obvious a rising star like that.

[msstate7]

The answer was Leach with a mobile QB. Sawyer Robertson would have us in the playoffs last year / this year.

I'd love Brennan Marion. Had a really solid first year at Sacramento State. Only one "wtf" loss. Played an FBS team close. Played a top 5 FCS team close. First game got smacked by a different top 5 FCS team.

It's early in his trajectory but him and his "Go-Go" offense with two backs set in different spots is unique enough to cause fits. By 2030 he'll have a major head coaching job or be the hottest name on every search board. He's gonna take his lumps right now - would be awesome to get a guy so obvious a rising star like that.

Sounds interesting.

[Quaoarsking]

I like the idea of Brian Newberry at Navy. The guy has won a whole lot with disciplined football, but he came up through the defensive side of the ball, so I don't think he would force us to be a triple option team or anything like that.

[Really Clark?]

The answer was Leach with a mobile QB. Sawyer Robertson would have us in the playoffs last year / this year.

I'd love Brennan Marion. Had a really solid first year at Sacramento State. Only one "wtf" loss. Played an FBS team close. Played a top 5 FCS team close. First game got smacked by a different top 5 FCS team.

It's early in his trajectory but him and his "Go-Go" offense with two backs set in different spots is unique enough to cause fits. By 2030 he'll have a major head coaching job or be the hottest name on every search board. He's gonna take his lumps right now - would be awesome to get a guy so obvious a rising star like that.

Not to pick on you but there is no such thing as obvious rising star. Several guys people thought were the hot rising stars when we hired Lebby and stumped for them, are now cold 2 years later.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not to pick on you but there is no such thing as obvious rising star. Several guys people thought were the hot rising stars when we hired Lebby and stumped for them, are now cold 2 years later.

Oh lest we forget the can't miss rising star candidate Jamey Chadwell who is, checks notes, 4-6 this year. That's after going an unimpressive 8-4 last year where he only beat 2 teams with a winning record.

[Coach34]

If Lebby fails it will because we didnt have the money to sign enough players on D. Next year's offense has the potential to be the best we've had since 2014/2015 and possibly ever

[StarkVegasSteve]

If Lebby fails it will because we didnt have the money to sign enough players on D. Next year's offense has the potential to be the best we've had since 2014/2015 and possibly ever

Next year's offense could be scary but we need to get a couple of OLs and 3 WRs.

I agree on defense though. We have to be able to sign some defensive guys this cycle, especially along the LOS.

[Matt3467]

Next years offense being great depends on if we're able to keep what we have already.

[msstate7]

Next years offense being great depends on if we're able to keep what we have already.

Exactly. Our leading receiver last season is mizzou's leading receiver this season

[Coach34]

Exactly. Our leading receiver last season is mizzou's leading receiver this season

dolla bills ya'll

[Matt3467]

Exactly. Our leading receiver last season is mizzou's leading receiver this season

Basically the same thing with Craver at A&M.

[msstate7]

dolla bills ya'll

After all these new coaches are hired, the gap will widen, not shrink

[bulldawg28]

Exactly. Our leading receiver last season is mizzou's leading receiver this season

And our starting replacements are wayyyyyy better than Coleman.

[msstate7]

And our starting replacements are wayyyyyy better than Coleman.

Lebby is a great evaluator at wr. Hopefully he gets better at qb and oline

[Cowbeller]

After all these new coaches are hired, the gap will widen, not shrink

What gap are you referring to?

[Matt3467]

And our starting replacements are wayyyyyy better than Coleman.

I don't think it's that cut and dry. We've seen Coleman play and he's reliable with sure hands. I would take Coleman and Craver over Evans any day of the week. I can't remember the specific games but I know several instances where Evans has cost us big. Big moment dropped passes and didn't he basically toss the ball into a defenders hands for a TD a few weeks ago? That's what separates Evans from Coleman and Craver. Thompson is more debatable.

[Tripp McNeely]

As teams are getting lighter and lighter on defense to deal with spread offenses, Utah and byu are playing power football. Both are ranked teams.

I have no idea if this would work in the sec, but I think we have to try to figure out how to stay ahead of the curve. Trying to do what other teams with better funding do isn't really a path to success. So whether it's power football or something else, we have to try and find a way to neutralize our disadvantages.

Let's just hope Lebby doesn't fail, and this ain't an issue.

Pat Fitzgerald

[msstate7]

What gap are you referring to?

Money.

Every program that hires this offseason will step up NIL

[Cowbeller]

Money.

Every program that hires this offseason will step up NIL

Eh I think the opposite might play out. These guys have to pay buyouts and crazy new coach contracts that will have to pull away from it. Not saying average fans wont step up but the big money will be tied elsewhere.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Eh I think the opposite might play out. These guys have to pay buyouts and crazy new coach contracts that will have to pull away from it. Not saying average fans wont step up but the big money will be tied elsewhere.

Most programs have basically slush funds for hiring/firing coaches.

[Cowbeller]

Most programs have basically slush funds for hiring/firing coaches.

If the LSU saga is any indication their slush funds arent keeping up with the actual dollars

[Coach34]

Eh I think the opposite might play out. These guys have to pay buyouts and crazy new coach contracts that will have to pull away from it. Not saying average fans wont step up but the big money will be tied elsewhere.

LSU has promised Lame a $30MM roster

[Coursesuper]

If the LSU saga is any indication their slush funds arent keeping up with the actual dollars

They have a nearly bottomless pit of chicken fingers for hiring and firing coaches.

[shoeless joe]

If Lebby fails it will because we didnt have the money to sign enough players on D. Next year's offense has the potential to be the best we've had since 2014/2015 and possibly ever

i don't disagree with anything here. but how much money on D and how good will the offense have to be to overcome the in-game non sense?

[msstate7]

LSU has promised Lame a $30MM roster

Imagine how pissed a tommie Frazier is today watching NIL era. Guys like Frazier that never sniffed an nfl deal, but coulda been set for life in this era

[StarkVegasSteve]

Imagine how pissed a tommie Frazier is today watching NIL era. Guys like Frazier that never sniffed an nfl deal, but coulda been set for life in this era

I think of 3 players in my lifetime of really watching football that would've taken paycuts to go to the NFL.

1. Cam Newton-This one is obvious but his NIL deal would've been 6-8 million and they probably would've renegotiated him closer to 10-12 by the end of the season.

2. Johnny Manziel- I don't even know what the NIL deal would've been in 2013 and I feel sure he would've come back in 14 for 20+ mil.

3. Reggie Bush- Granted he kind of got an NIL deal but he could've been pushing 8 figures easily with NIL.

[Coach34]

Imagine how pissed a tommie Frazier is today watching NIL era. Guys like Frazier that never sniffed an nfl deal, but coulda been set for life in this era

Think of the players that would have been stolen away from us thru the years

[msstate7]

Think of the players that would have been stolen away from us thru the years

No way we hold dak his senior year

[Tater]

Not to pick on you but there is no such thing as obvious rising star. Several guys people thought were the hot rising stars when we hired Lebby and stumped for them, are now cold 2 years later.

I was closer to OU than most here so I didn't see Lebby as a good hire or rising star.

I've stumped for Marion for a while. UNLV was so good at OC. Look at his resume and the players he's coached. Rising stars can flame out - but man I just love what he's got going for him. He better get a look if we're moving on next year.

[Coursesuper]

I was closer to OU than most here so I didn't see Lebby as a good hire or rising star.

I've stumped for Marion for a while. UNLV was so good at OC. Look at his resume and the players he's coached. Rising stars can flame out - but man I just love what he's got going for him. He better get a look if we're moving on next year.

Tate, can you summarize the go go offense for me? I’m not that familiar with it.

[Coach34]

Tate, can you summarize the go go offense for me? I’m not that familiar with it.

https://throwdeeppublishing.com/blogs/news/6-formations-from-william-mary-you-probably-havent-seen-before

[Brobi-wan]

Tate, can you summarize the go go offense for me? I’m not that familiar with it.

This was a great name for an offense based in Vegas .

[msstate7]

https://throwdeeppublishing.com/blogs/news/6-formations-from-william-mary-you-probably-havent-seen-before

Nice. This is exactly the type of stuff we need to be looking for if Lebby flames out.

[Todd4State]

Nice. This is exactly the type of stuff we need to be looking for if Lebby flames out.

Offense isn't our problem right now. Our main problem is defense and special teams which is what we are historically better at than offense.

[Coursesuper]

https://throwdeeppublishing.com/blogs/news/6-formations-from-william-mary-you-probably-havent-seen-before

Okay, after reading that, this isn’t some new groundbreaking football voodoo, it’s just making the defense line up and ID the ineligible guy. That’s just a wrinkle if I read that correctly.

[Tater]

Okay, after reading that, this isn’t some new groundbreaking football voodoo, it’s just making the defense line up and ID the ineligible guy. That’s just a wrinkle if I read that correctly.

That's one wrinkle listed in the article. The other that it doesn't emphasize as well is the stacking of running backs both horizontal and vertical next to a QB in shotgun. That's something I hadn't seen anyone doing before. I love the youthful innovation there.

On top of that - looking at who he's coached - he's considered an ace recruiter.

https://www.footballscoop.com/2025/07/12/meet-the-new-college-coach-who-just-helped-sacramento-state-land-its-highest-ranked-recruit

Jordan Addison is a big name. The biggest knock is the dude does not stay in one place long at all. Which - good problem to have a guy in demand. I'd trade our situation for OM's today right now. But he's just too successful everywhere he goes that I see him only going upward.

ETA: It's power spread but with fun wrinkles and high recruiting ceiling. He reminds me a lot Dan Mullen in 2008. (Also a guy from Pennsylvania) Except instead of going G5 OC to P5 OC to State HC, Marion is on the P5 assistant to G5 OC to FCS HC to ??? ascension. If Sac State does well next year again - I expect him to be at least a G5 coach if not busting directly into the P4.

[DownwardDawg]

As teams are getting lighter and lighter on defense to deal with spread offenses, Utah and byu are playing power football. Both are ranked teams.

I have no idea if this would work in the sec, but I think we have to try to figure out how to stay ahead of the curve. Trying to do what other teams with better funding do isn't really a path to success. So whether it's power football or something else, we have to try and find a way to neutralize our disadvantages.

Let's just hope Lebby doesn't fail, and this ain't an issue.

I don't post near as much as you do 7, but I believe I've mentioned the same thing here a few times in the past. I talk about it a lot at work. Defenses today wouldn't be able to stop an old school smash mouth running game. Like a JWS team or one of the past Alabama teams. A dual threat QB, big bruising RB's, and a big O-line would run for 8 yards or more per carry.

Now to Taters point, Leach would have us in the playoffs already. He had adapted enough to know when to run then get back to his air raid. Sawyer would have been awesome in his offense. He hated recruiting so NIL would have made his job easier.

[Tater]

I don't post near as much as you do 7, but I believe I've mentioned the same thing here a few times in the past. I talk about it a lot at work. Defenses today wouldn't be able to stop an old school smash mouth running game. Like a JWS team or one of the past Alabama teams. A dual threat QB, big bruising RB's, and a big O-line would run for 8 yards or more per carry.

Now to Taters point, Leach would have us in the playoffs already. He had adapted enough to know when to run then get back to his air raid. Sawyer would have been awesome in his offense. He hated recruiting so NIL would have made his job easier.

That bold last point is why I'm good with a Dan reunion and think Mullenv2 will work.

And I agree with you but I take it a step further. The tush push offense - I could get banned in a year - maybe less. Against defenses these days - give me 11 400+ lb sumo wrestlers pushing in unison. You are not stopping me from getting 10 yards across 4 plays. You don't have the size to stop it. Hell we probably just push down the field for a TD every play. It'd be a glorious season and then immediately banned because the product would be awful to watch, but there's no ****ing stopping us.

[Percho]

The answer was Leach with a mobile QB. Sawyer Robertson would have us in the playoffs last year / this year.

I'd love Brennan Marion. Had a really solid first year at Sacramento State. Only one "wtf" loss. Played an FBS team close. Played a top 5 FCS team close. First game got smacked by a different top 5 FCS team.

It's early in his trajectory but him and his "Go-Go" offense with two backs set in different spots is unique enough to cause fits. By 2030 he'll have a major head coaching job or be the hottest name on every search board. He's gonna take his lumps right now - would be awesome to get a guy so obvious a rising star like that.

I could have lived with an Odom Marion hire when we hired Lebby.

[Maverick91]

That bold last point is why I'm good with a Dan reunion and think Mullenv2 will work.

And I agree with you but I take it a step further. The tush push offense - I could get banned in a year - maybe less. Against defenses these days - give me 11 400+ lb sumo wrestlers pushing in unison. You are not stopping me from getting 10 yards across 4 plays. You don't have the size to stop it. Hell we probably just push down the field for a TD every play. It'd be a glorious season and then immediately banned because the product would be awful to watch, but there's no ****ing stopping us.

Every time you bring this up I laugh the whole time reading it. It would be such bad TV but dang from a football perspective you cannot argue it.

[DownwardDawg]

That bold last point is why I'm good with a Dan reunion and think Mullenv2 will work.

And I agree with you but I take it a step further. The tush push offense - I could get banned in a year - maybe less. Against defenses these days - give me 11 400+ lb sumo wrestlers pushing in unison. You are not stopping me from getting 10 yards across 4 plays. You don't have the size to stop it. Hell we probably just push down the field for a TD every play. It'd be a glorious season and then immediately banned because the product would be awful to watch, but there's no ****ing stopping us.

Haha!! That'd be awesome for one season!!!

[FISHDAWG]

Every time you bring this up I laugh the whole time reading it. It would be such bad TV but dang from a football perspective you cannot argue it.

Wouldn't it though... in years and decades in the past I longed for a good passing game... Mullen kinda brought us into that but he was well balanced.... now I find myself wishing exactly what the op just said

[msstate7]

Wouldn't it though... in years and decades in the past I longed for a good passing game... Mullen kinda brought us into that but he was well balanced.... now I find myself wishing exactly what the op just said

It's not my preference. I actually like what we do on offense with this coach. I just think doing something completely opposite of what everyone else is doing could be effective

[FISHDAWG]

It's not my preference. I actually like what we do on offense with this coach. I just think doing something completely opposite of what everyone else is doing could be effective

Even when Mullen was here, we kept saying rtgdfb on this board. I appreciate Lebbys offense but I think power football is still worth a try

[BulldogBear]

dolla bills ya'll

This AND a better 4th down IQ. That may not happen until we get an OC. Lebby needs to learn to think like a HC. Right now, sure he wants tonwin. But ONLY win HIS way. I hope he will grow, but I'm not sure he will. He always defends every decision. He's not learning. Maybe it's just coach speak and he really doesn't believe everything that he spouts off defending some really low coaching IQ decisoons.

[BrunswickDawg]

Okay, after reading that, this isn’t some new groundbreaking football voodoo, it’s just making the defense line up and ID the ineligible guy. That’s just a wrinkle if I read that correctly.

Yeah - it looks like variants on the old Wing-T and Single Wing formations

[PGHBulldogBG]

I don?t think Odom has won a big 10 game this year @ Purdue. They have an easier schedule too. Would have been the same results with that hire as with Lebby if not worse. He is a good DC and coach at place like UNLV but I don?t see him being a good P4 coach

[msstate7]

I don?t think Odom has won a big 10 game this year @ Purdue. They have an easier schedule too. Would have been the same results with that hire as with Lebby if not worse. He is a good DC and coach at place like UNLV but I don?t see him being a good P4 coach

This could be an argument for Marion, who was odom's OC last year at unlv

[PGHBulldogBG]

This could be an argument for Marion, who was odom's OC last year at unlv

Gotcha. I didn?t know who Marion was but just looked him up. Seems like he could be a good coach and seems like a good OC

[Coursesuper]

Yeah - it looks like variants on the old Wing-T and Single Wing formations

Not far from it for sure. If they had a little dirty slot like we see some again now it’s not too far from an RPO out of the notre dame box.

[Bothrops]

As teams are getting lighter and lighter on defense to deal with spread offenses, Utah and byu are playing power football. Both are ranked teams.

I have no idea if this would work in the sec, but I think we have to try to figure out how to stay ahead of the curve. Trying to do what other teams with better funding do isn't really a path to success. So whether it's power football or something else, we have to try and find a way to neutralize our disadvantages.

Let's just hope Lebby doesn't fail, and this ain't an issue.

I think the inability to allocate the necessary players will be the biggest reason Lebby won't make it. I havent seen anything to believe we can do this as a program. Making matters worse is 4 SEC teams with new coaches are going to clean out the portal leaving us with dry crumbs.

[Todd4State]

I think the inability to allocate the necessary players will be the biggest reason Lebby won't make it. I havent seen anything to believe we can do this as a program. Making matters worse is 4 SEC teams with new coaches are going to clean out the portal leaving us with dry crumbs.

I think if we tried it the odds are it would work about as well as anything else we tried.

The whole premise is this would work because we are "bigger" than our opponents but in the SEC the issue is the players are both big and fast. The only logical way to counter it is to be big and fast ourselves.

[Maroonthirteen]

BYU and Tech play in the Big12. Maybe State should try that.

[StarkVegasSteve]

BYU and Tech play in the Big12. Maybe State should try that.

BINGO.

[msstate7]

We literally brought an OC to be our HC from the big 12

[Coursesuper]

BINGO.

I honestly think that we would be a 7 or 8 win team in the big 12 right now.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I honestly think that we would be a 7 or 8 win team in the big 12 right now.

Well let's just take a random schedule, say TCU's schedule. We'll keep our non con the same and sub UNC for ASU since ASU is in the Big 12. They also have 9 conference games so I'm taking out Northern Illinois

@USM-W
UNC-W
Alcorn-W
@Arizona St-I think we lose this in Tempe. So L
Colorado-W
@Kansas St-L
Baylor-W
@West Virginia-W
Iowa St-W
@BYU-L
@Houston-L


So yes, I believe we'd probably be a 7-8 win team in that league. And I'm giving us a couple of L's where I think we'd get a win.

[msstate7]

Well let's just take a random schedule, say TCU's schedule. We'll keep our non con the same and sub UNC for ASU since ASU is in the Big 12. They also have 9 conference games so I'm taking out Northern Illinois

@USM-W
UNC-W
Alcorn-W
@Arizona St-I think we lose this in Tempe. So L
Colorado-W
@Kansas St-L
Baylor-W
@West Virginia-W
Iowa St-W
@BYU-L
@Houston-L


So yes, I believe we'd probably be a 7-8 win team in that league. And I'm giving us a couple of L's where I think we'd get a win.

The discussion was what Utah and byu are doing. I don't think they're much more talented than us, but Utah beat asu 42-10. BYU doesn't have a common opponent

[Coursesuper]

Well let's just take a random schedule, say TCU's schedule. We'll keep our non con the same and sub UNC for ASU since ASU is in the Big 12. They also have 9 conference games so I'm taking out Northern Illinois

@USM-W
UNC-W
Alcorn-W
@Arizona St-I think we lose this in Tempe. So L
Colorado-W
@Kansas St-L
Baylor-W
@West Virginia-W
Iowa St-W
@BYU-L
@Houston-L


So yes, I believe we'd probably be a 7-8 win team in that league. And I'm giving us a couple of L's where I think we'd get a win.

That's perfectly reasonable. It's just not nearly as much of a line of scrimmage league as the SEC.