State vs K-State

[Coach34]

Big game for us

Up 9-7 at the 14 min mark

[Coach34]

Epps came to play

[Quaoarsking]

Peacock isn't working for me. Anyone else having problems?

[Coach34]

22-20 K-State after a Hubbard turnover

[Coach34]

Epps is ballin

[DawgFromOxford]

Epps looking good in his minutes. Going to need him all season.

Team not defending the 3 ball well right

[Santiago]

I have not yet kept up with all the new players, but how good is Epps supposed to be for us on a consistent basis

[Coach34]

26-22 K-State with 8 mins

[Coach34]

I have not yet kept up with all the new players, but how good is Epps supposed to be for us on a consistent basis

We need Epps to be a shooter for us to clear up the paint some

[Coach34]

Our offense is shitty right now. Nobody knows what to do or where they fit in

[msstate7]

Stupid TOs! We've stepped on the baseline 3 times!

[DawgFromOxford]

Our offense is shitty right now. Nobody knows what to do or where they fit in

Somehow our defense is worse

[msstate7]

King grace, take a seat. I've saw enough of him tonight

[Coach34]

We are clueless on offense and have to get better at rotating on D. This team can be pretty good- but it has a long way to go

[DawgFromOxford]

Look at that another game against a P4 team another game we?ll have to come from behind in the 2nd half?

[ZedFedder]

Defense is off again. 44 points given up at half.

[PGHBulldogBG]

This is shaping up to be a long year. I was shocked we were favored. We have spurts we look decent but a lot of times we just look out of rhythm and unmatched against these type of teams

[msudawg1200]

Defense is off again. 44 points given up at half.
I thought Jans was a defensive genius?

[msstate7]

McGhee: 16 min 1 pt, 1 assist, 2 TO
Epps: 7 min 9 pt

Jans, you're hurting the team making your point.

[msstate7]

This team isn't gonna defend. Just roll with your best scorers

[StarkVegasSteve]

Shut down Haggerty and this one is over. That is a big ask though.

[ZedFedder]

If a Jans team doesn't defend, it doesn't win. We got lucky that we had some really good talent last year to offset the bad defense. I don't know if coaches have figured Jans out or what, but the defense does not seem the same.

[Young dawg]

We need to try a zone or something they are just blowing by us one their way to the basket

[NCMSTFAN]

We just dont have enough offense to be a good team this year. Other than Hubbard's consistency we have no other options. Epps is playing pretty good tonight but he hasn't been consistent, neither has Jones or McGhee. Defense doesn't look good either... gonna be a long season

[msstate7]

I really hope our priority this upcoming season among all sports is to get a real star to play with Hubbard before next season.

[msstate7]

Is that the first TO they didn't score on?

[DawgFromOxford]

I really hope our priority this upcoming season among all sports is to get a real star to play with Hubbard before next season.

Jans has had 2 years to do it. Don?t get your hopes up

[Bothrops]

If a Jans team doesn't defend, it doesn't win. We got lucky that we had some really good talent last year to offset the bad defense. I don't know if coaches have figured Jans out or what, but the defense does not seem the same.

A common characteristic of portal players.

[msstate7]

McGhee can't score... not even from the FT line. Get Epps in

[Cowbeller]

I dont understand why we look so much worse this year. The talent is still there

[msstate7]

Jans has had 2 years to do it. Don?t get your hopes up

I think getting a star is gonna require more than Jans. That's gonna require our NIL money

[msstate7]

You can challenge to see a foul?

[DawgFromOxford]

I think getting a star is gonna require more than Jans. That's gonna require our NIL money

I?m not in the know but according to this board Jans was told the money is there to make some moves

[PGHBulldogBG]

I dont understand why we look so much worse this year. The talent is still there

I don?t see the same talent as last year. I never did from after the portal class. I think we have some young potential talent, but Tee Bartlett showing up not ready was problematic

[msstate7]

I?m not in the know but according to this board Jans was told the money is there to make some moves

So we just chose McGhee over haggerty? Do you really believe this? Haggerty coulda gone anywhere, and he's at KSU bc they paid him

[msstate7]

Jans continuing to play McGhee should probably get him on the hot seat

[msstate7]

This season is over if Jans wants to play McGhee over the better player (Epps). I really hope jans decides that making a point isn't as important as totally screwing the team in the process by tomorrow

[DawgFromOxford]

Can?t defend and have less scoring than last year. Going to be a long season

[msstate7]

We can't score and Epps has 12 pts in 10 mins

[DawgFromOxford]

We can't score and Epps has 12 pts in 10 mins

Comes in and nails a 3. He better not leave the court the rest of the way

[msstate7]

McGhee is horrid

[DawgFromOxford]

McGhee has done nothing but give kstate points

[LC Dawg]

I think Jans is a good coach but we often don't look well coached.
It's good to see Epps scoring. Maybe Jans will notice.

[parabrave]

Hubbard only 3 FTs so far and 1-6 at the 3s. Let Epps shoot the 3s and take it to the boards and draw the dam fouls,

[msstate7]

McGhee doing McGhee things.

[parabrave]

McGhee has done nothing but give kstate points

He hasn't given anything.

[DawgFromOxford]

McGhee comes back in and immediately commits a foul. Smh

[msstate7]

Anyone have a good way of getting McGee kicked off the team? We need to take him away from Jans

[DawgFromOxford]

In the bonus with 9:24. The ball better work its way into the paint every possession

[parabrave]

There we go Hub. keep on doing this.

[msstate7]

We suck, but damn, stop playing P4 teams in "neutral court" games that are home games for them

[PGHBulldogBG]

We suck, but damn, stop playing P4 teams in "neutral court" games that are home games for them

We have another one in a few weeks with Utah.

[msstate7]

We have another one in a few weeks with Utah.

Stupid. If they wanna play us at home, then go to their place. Letting them get the neutral court game with it being a home court is stupidity

[PGHBulldogBG]

Stupid. If they wanna play us at home, then go to their place. Letting them get the neutral court game with it being a home court is stupidity

Agreed. We did it 2 years ago with Rutgers too but luckily we had a good enough defensive team that year to win

[DawgFromOxford]

This team sucks

[parabrave]

Dam did Rick Ray come back and coach.

[HoopsDawg]

If Jans is going to remain our coach, we are going to need a general manager/portal evaluator.

[msstate7]

This athletic program sucks FIFY

[LC Dawg]

It's good to see Jans get back to his roots of coaching hard nosed defense.**

[DawgFromOxford]

I better not see one ?Pack the Hump? comment this season. There's nothing fun about this team

[tcdog70]

Iowa St and Kansas St are really good

[Young dawg]

Hate we are wasting Hubbard on this team

[msstate7]

Iowa St and Kansas St are really good

Idk anymore. I think it's us

[Cowbeller]

I figured it out. We made another roster around having a dominant defense that cant defend

[parabrave]

Dam the bottom just fell out.

[Young dawg]

This team is so soft. Really missing the grit and toughness that cam Matthews brought

[PGHBulldogBG]

It?s concerning that we are just getting dominated against any team we play with a pulse. We still have SMU, GT, Utah and Memphis in the non conference. We might be staring down 8-5 going into SEC play

[LC Dawg]

Iowa St and Kansas St are really good

Maybe so. But to be an NCAA tournament team you should be competitive against really good teams. We are far from that which is disappointing.

[HoopsDawg]

This team is so soft. Really missing the grit and toughness that cam Matthews brought

Cam? Man I would take Nwoko at this point.

Last years team would beat this years team by 20. And we went 1 and done last year.

[HoopsDawg]

What a gift from Vegas. Thank you!!

[PGHBulldogBG]

Jans made some really bad portal evaluations this year. We need to do better there. We have Hubbard and a bunch of G6 level players

[DawgFromOxford]

Iowa St and Kansas St are really good

We were a 2.5 point favorite tonight

[msugolf]

The bottom line is that most guys don?t like playing for Jans. Especially the better players. He ran off Kugel, Nwoko and Murphy had enough of his BS despite us offering him the same amount as Auburn. His little man a** hole schtick isn?t going to fly in todays game

[msstate7]

The bottom line is that most guys don?t like playing for Jans. Especially the better players. He ran off Kugel, Nwoko and Murphy had enough of his BS despite us offering him the same amount as Auburn. His little man a** hole schtick isn?t going to fly in todays game

Perhaps so, but no player in the country is picking Jans over pearl. Hell, I love Jans and state, but I'd pick pearl. Pearl was probably the most fun coach in the country to play for.

Not saying we don't have some issues bc we clearly do, but we will have to outbid when we go head to head with elite programs

[DawgFromOxford]

Sucks to be 4 games into the season and already know this is going to be a wasted basketball year. Unacceptable

[Thick]

Man, what an ass whipping! I wonder if Selmon has a short list, bc Jans is not going to change his ways. We have no leadership on this team, and right now we suck on both ends of the court! I don?t see this changing any time soon.

[RezDog7]

Cancelled YouTube tv with plans to get the espn bundle. Guess I'll wait until baseball season now. I hate being a fan of this school. I feel nothing.

[msstate7]

Cancelled YouTube tv with plans to get the espn bundle. Guess I'll wait until baseball season now. I hate being a fan of this school. I feel nothing.

You know what's coming for baseball, right? This is perhaps the worst sports year of my life... Braves were awful, saints have been awful, football is still awful, grizzlies are awful, and now Jans has fell off. I wish I was addicted to Netflix or something instead of crap sport teams

[Maroon Glasses]

Jans made some really bad portal evaluations this year. We need to do better there. We have Hubbard and a bunch of G6 level players

This seems to be the most consistent part about our sport teams. Well... except losing.

[Maroon Glasses]

You know what's coming for baseball, right? This is perhaps the worst sports year of my life... Braves were awful, saints have been awful, football is still awful, grizzlies are awful, and now Jans has fell off. I wish I was addicted to Netflix or something instead of crap sport teams

Baseball will be our saving grace... gotta have something to look forward to in this life. Even if it might be a lie

[NCMSTFAN]

The bottom line is that most guys don?t like playing for Jans. Especially the better players. He ran off Kugel, Nwoko and Murphy had enough of his BS despite us offering him the same amount as Auburn. His little man a** hole schtick isn?t going to fly in todays game

Ive been saying this for a while and its true, Jans is a hard coach to play for. He is very demanding, he will cuss you out and he's not a great offensive coach (most kids love offense obviously). This isnt New Mexico State where guys have minimal offers or are coming out of JUCO and are hungry so they will put up with being cussed at, he's just not a coach alot of players are tearing the door down to come and play for.

Last time I said this I was accused of wanting the man fired.. I am not saying that but I also dont like the way this team looks or our energy. Everyone just looks pissed off, no one seems to be having fun. I think guys like Cam Matthews and even Tolu Smith held these teams together.

[maroonmania]

We suck, but damn, stop playing P4 teams in "neutral court" games that are home games for them

Agree, thjs is idiotic scheduling. If you are going to play a road game make sure it counts as a road game. If its in the home state of the team you are playing then its not a neutral site game.

[Saltydog]

Big game for us

Up 9-7 at the 14 min mark

It's year 4. We should be better than this. This year is going to be abysmal.

[maroonmania]

It's year 4. We should be better than this. This year is going to be abysmal.

And I love these MSU fans that get mad that we emphasize baseball. ITS ALL WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW!

[msstate7]

It's year 4. We should be better than this. This year is going to be abysmal.

Certainly not a good thing, but I do think you'll see more stinkers out of nowhere now with NIL for lots of teams. In the past, you built up a team and you generally could count on teams staying consistent or improving. Now you have massive turnover, so it makes sense that you'll have more boom and bust years.

If things don't improve, I wanna play grace, Davis-Fleming, macura, Ali, Bartlett, etc. Just see what we got in these guys.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Agree, thjs is idiotic scheduling. If you are going to play a road game make sure it counts as a road game. If its in the home state of the team you are playing then its not a neutral site game.

Yea we really need to stop doing this. Just go play them on their home court. It's better for your NET anyways.

Right now we are NOT a good basketball team. I think we can get there but right now we suck. We are BAD defensively right now. There is no way around that. I did take a couple of positives from last night, I thought Jayden Epps had his best game and I thought Ballard finally got a little bit involved. It's a long season so it's not terrible that we're losing this early to really good teams, but we need to get it together before conference play begins.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Certainly not a good thing, but I do think you'll see more stinkers out of nowhere now with NIL for lots of teams. In the past, you built up a team and you generally could count on teams staying consistent or improving. Now you have massive turnover, so it makes sense that you'll have more boom and bust years.

If things don't improve, I wanna play grace, Davis-Fleming, macura, Ali, Bartlett, etc. Just see what we got in these guys.

Bartlett can't get up and down the floor. The coaches were really disappointed with how he showed up. He was WAY overweight. I don't disagree with getting a little more run out of JDF. I think he's been really good early on, especially for a Freshman. Macura is still learning how to play the American game. That will come. I think he's a big X factor for us as we move forward. Grace is going to get minutes. We need to figure out what we want to do with Ali. I think he can be good, but the coaches just simply don't trust him.

[Coach34]

Yep. We have 1 month to get things figured out.

[Dawgology]

And I love these MSU fans that get mad that we emphasize baseball. ITS ALL WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW!

Only because the money and emphasis we place on it. Congrats. You?ve pointed out the issue. We need to place the same amount of emphasis and the same level of funding to other sports. Baseball is fun and all but I can guarantee you this. 100%. The boosters continue to focus on baseball first then our children and grandchildren will be watching State play baseball in a G5 conference.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Only because the money and emphasis we place on it. Congrats. You?ve pointed out the issue. We need to place the same amount of emphasis and the same level of funding to other sports. Baseball is fun and all but I can guarantee you this. 100%. The boosters continue to focus on baseball first then our children and grandchildren will be watching State play baseball in a G5 conference.

I'll go a step further and say if we continue to prioritize it like we do, those same people that prioritize it will be sitting on their rigs watching us play Troy in a weekend series in 5 years.

LSU can fund it the way they do because they completely privately fund it. Todd Graves and Gordon McKernan basically fund LSU's baseball NIL by themselves.

[HoopsDawg]

I'll go a step further and say if we continue to prioritize it like we do, those same people that prioritize it will be sitting on their rigs watching us play Troy in a weekend series in 5 years.

LSU can fund it the way they do because they completely privately fund it. Todd Graves and Gordon McKernan basically fund LSU's baseball NIL by themselves.

This basketball squad has absolutely nothing to do with our baseball program. Nada, zilch, Zero. You guys really get confused a lot.

[StarkVegasSteve]

This basketball squad has absolutely nothing to do with our baseball program. Nada, zilch, Zero. You guys really get confused a lot.

There was a baseball quote made and people were responding to it.

We're quite aware that Brian O Conner getting [insert Virginia player] from the transfer portal had nothing to do with Chris Jans not being able to find a lockdown perimeter defender. Hell our basketball NIL is actually pretty well funded between Oscar and Richard.

[Tbonewannabe]

Yep. We have 1 month to get things figured out.

The problem is that after a month we might have to have a winning record in the SEC to even make the NIT. Jans is going to have to figure out how to recruit in the NIL era. Right now we are wasting a lot of money to get guys here and either not play or half ass play.

[Dawgology]

This basketball squad has absolutely nothing to do with our baseball program. Nada, zilch, Zero. You guys really get confused a lot.

I was responding directly to another poster who called out “fans who get mad we emphasize baseball”. I guess their stance is we should emphasize baseball because the basketball and football programs suck. Which is a terrible take and also relates to the overall theme of this thread following another basketball loss.

[StarkVegasSteve]

The problem is that after a month we might have to have a winning record in the SEC to even make the NIT. Jans is going to have to figure out how to recruit in the NIL era. Right now we are wasting a lot of money to get guys here and either not play or half ass play.

10 SEC wins should still get you in. We have another Q1 opportunity tonight. We get SMU in a week, Memphis next month, and then SEC play starts.

Now, we have to win those games, but like C34 said we have a month to figure it out. That starts tonight. We really could use a win.

[maroonmania]

Only because the money and emphasis we place on it. Congrats. You?ve pointed out the issue. We need to place the same amount of emphasis and the same level of funding to other sports. Baseball is fun and all but I can guarantee you this. 100%. The boosters continue to focus on baseball first then our children and grandchildren will be watching State play baseball in a G5 conference.

Dollars go a LOT further in baseball. To do the 'same level of funding' in football would take every NIL dollar we have and then some. We still put way, way more NIL into football than baseball and we all see the results. A part of our issue in football is NIL for players but another big part is a G5 level coaching staff. Probably be better to spend extra money there first if thats what it takes to get an SEC level staff. Our defensive staff and special teams coaching are really bad.

[Coach34]

LSU can fund it the way they do because they completely privately fund it. Todd Graves and Gordon McKernan basically fund LSU's baseball NIL by themselves.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elTlNo_7sY4

[StarkVegasSteve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elTlNo_7sY4

That guy is an ass but damn he prints money. Why can't we get us a sleazy personal injury lawyer? Hell, State puts tons of attys through OM law school. We just need one of them

[HoopsDawg]

10 SEC wins should still get you in. We have another Q1 opportunity tonight. We get SMU in a week, Memphis next month, and then SEC play starts.

Now, we have to win those games, but like C34 said we have a month to figure it out. That starts tonight. We really could use a win.

I love the optimism but it aint happening.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I love the optimism but it aint happening.

At present moment you are not wrong. We are very flawed currently.

[AROB44]

At present moment you are not wrong. We are very flawed currently.

"Currently" is the operative word here. I'm just amazed at the posters that trash Jan's. He's taken us to NCAA'S 4 straight years. But, I guess that's not enough.....he should have been to the final four by now.*******

[msstate7]

"Currently" is the operative word here. I'm just amazed at the posters that trash Jan's. He's taken us to NCAA'S 4 straight years. But, I guess that's not enough.....he should have been to the final four by now.*******

Obviously I was a complete dummy his first season, but I wised up quickly. Anyone talking of getting rid of Jans is a moron

[Tbonewannabe]

10 SEC wins should still get you in. We have another Q1 opportunity tonight. We get SMU in a week, Memphis next month, and then SEC play starts.

Now, we have to win those games, but like C34 said we have a month to figure it out. That starts tonight. We really could use a win.

Yeah, we are getting to the point of backs against the wall. I don't have a lot of faith in a team getting killed by just good not great teams before we get to the SEC. We were blown out by 2 teams that would be lower half of the SEC.

[Tbonewannabe]

"Currently" is the operative word here. I'm just amazed at the posters that trash Jan's. He's taken us to NCAA'S 4 straight years. But, I guess that's not enough.....he should have been to the final four by now.*******

I haven't seen anyone that is saying to fire Jans. He has done enough to get the season and next year would be when he was on the hot seat. His seat isn't even room temperature right now.

Saying that, this team looks like it will be about as competitive in the SEC as last year's football team. Toledo was a good football program that walked all over us. Iowa St and K St are better than that but would still be bottom half of the SEC right now. That doesn't bode well for us currently. We need to do a 180 right now. We can't really afford to make up wins in the SEC. The SEC is a top 2-3 basketball conference now if not possibly #1.

[msstate7]

I haven't seen anyone that is saying to fire Jans. He has done enough to get the season and next year would be when he was on the hot seat. His seat isn't even room temperature right now.

Saying that, this team looks like it will be about as competitive in the SEC as last year's football team. Toledo was a good football program that walked all over us. Iowa St and K St are better than that but would still be bottom half of the SEC right now. That doesn't bode well for us currently. We need to do a 180 right now. We can't really afford to make up wins in the SEC. The SEC is a top 2-3 basketball conference now if not possibly #1.

Iowa st wouldn't be bottom half of the sec. Here's their last 3 year kenpom rankings...

2025: 8th
2024: 11th
2023: 8th

BPI...
2025: 6th
2014: 7th
2023: 5th

Iowa st is one of the best programs in the country. Now KSU is a different story. Unless haggerty (1st string AA) has really elevated them, they aren't on that level.

[RezDog7]

You know what's coming for baseball, right? This is perhaps the worst sports year of my life... Braves were awful, saints have been awful, football is still awful, grizzlies are awful, and now Jans has fell off. I wish I was addicted to Netflix or something instead of crap sport teams

I will throw my phone in the Rez just as soon as Oak loses that first series. Nothing else matters anymore.

[msstate7]

I will throw my phone in the Rez just as soon as Oak loses that first series. Nothing else matters anymore.

lol, I think we will be fine.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah, we are getting to the point of backs against the wall. I don't have a lot of faith in a team getting killed by just good not great teams before we get to the SEC. We were blown out by 2 teams that would be lower half of the SEC.

Iowa St is ranked 14th in the country and 12 in the NET. They would not be lower half of the SEC.

Kansas St is a good team and I do think they'll make the tourney. They are not Iowa St though

[msstate7]

Looking at sec OOC games it seems the sec may be down this year. Of course, we'd be down when the rest are too

[Thick]

None of that matters, what does matter is we suck! We are going to continue to suck this year, bc our offense blows and this group that he brought in cannot play defense. Watching us play is boring, undisciplined basketball. Fire away, but Jans will be here for 2 more years, and in that time period we lose Hubb and he will run several off and replace them with retreads that aren?t much better.