Black Friday Can Be Lebby's 09 Egg Bowl Moment

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lebby has a chance to right every wrong in some folks eyes 11 days from now. Go back to November 28, 2009 (also Black Friday btw). We were 4-7 and were going nowhere and OM was 8-3 and headed to their 2nd straight Cotton Bowl. Mullen saw the offense needed a spark and inserted Chris Relf. The rest is history.

Jeff Lebby has the chance to do the same thing. Start Kamario Taylor, who has been mostly hidden, and take the reigns off. If it works, he goes 6-6 and goes to a bowl. He would force OM AT A MINIMUM on the road for a playoff game. And he could give Lane Kiffin an L heading out the door.

At a certain point you have to start thinking about the future. Dan Mullen realized that on Black Friday at halftime in that locker room. Jeff Lebby needs to realize before that. This is not a knock on Blake Shapen. I think Blake Shapen gave us everything he could. And he gave us some good moments. He gave us some bad ones too. He just cannot hold up behind that line and be successful. It's time to make switch for no other reason than we need to know what we have. Because if Kamario balls out, then we're looking for a high level backup out of the portal and can spend money at other positions. If he bombs, you have to go get a P4 starter caliber QB and that will cost you 1.5 MINIMUM.

Now the 4 million dollar question, do I actually think he will go with Kamario Taylor? I do. I think if we didn't have a bye right now I'd say differently, but the bye gives us the opportunity to formulate a gameplan around Kamario.

[BeardoMSU]

Not necessarily a likelihood, but there's a real chance Lebby could be coaching against an interim at OM in that game.

In that case...it's an absolute must win game.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Not necessarily a likelihood, but there's a real chance Lebby could be coaching against an interim at OM in that game.

In that case...it's an absolute must win game.

I've talked to enough people yesterday and today to believe it would have to REALLY sideways over the next 10 days for Lane to not coach the Egg Bowl. Like it would have to get really toxic. I don't see that happening.

[Quaoarsking]

I hope he gets it done, but it's more likely to be his 2008 Egg Bowl moment.

[R2Dawg]

Lebby has proven over and over he does not have the ability to learn on the job. Shapen will start, O will stall. and D will quit again if they ever start.

[DownwardDawg]

I hope he gets it done, but it's more likely to be his 2008 Egg Bowl moment.

This is what I expect.

[mparkerfd20]

Lebby is much closer to Croom IQ so my money is on 2008 Egg Bowl performance.

[Tbonewannabe]

It is crazy to think that Shapen has thrown more pick 6s than any QB in MSU history and hasn't even played an entire season. That doesn't even include the scoop and score that broke our backs against ASU last year. Say whatever you want, Shapen might be tough as hell but he has kept us out of as many games as in them. Our defense being as bad as it is can't afford for the QB to consistently 17em.

[Maroon Glasses]

I think Shapen is done and I don't mean he has given up. I think mentally he is cooked. The kid has taken a beaten on and off the field and that has to cook your confidence. I appreciate everything he has done. The dude is a competitor and gives it his all on the field but it's time to pass the torch. KT gives us the best chance to win imo. Mainly due to our putrid O Line. I do not think Lebby will start KT tho. Inwould be shocked if he does. I think the guy is hell bent on proving he can win with Shapen. With that being said.. I don't think we will get it done but dang I sure hope so. Here's to hoping Lebby comes up with a great gameplay and makes the right in game decisions.

[confucius say]

I've talked to enough people yesterday and today to believe it would have to REALLY sideways over the next 10 days for Lane to not coach the Egg Bowl. Like it would have to get really toxic. I don't see that happening.

Om has no leverage. Lane can just say he's going to wait until after the season for a decision. What is OM going to do? Fire him and pay a 50 million buyout? Lane has all the leverage.

[Maroon Glasses]

It is crazy to think that Shapen has thrown more pick 6s than any QB in MSU history and hasn't even played an entire season. That doesn't even include the scoop and score that broke our backs against ASU last year. Say whatever you want, Shapen might be tough as hell but he has kept us out of as many games as in them. Our defense being as bad as it is can't afford for the QB to consistently 17em.

I didn't realize he holds that record. That's not the side of the record book you wanna be on.

[parabrave]

Lebby has proven over and over he does not have the ability to learn on the job. Shapen will start, O will stall. and D will quit again if they ever start.

This is about it. He makes Croom look like a mensa honor student.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Om has no leverage. Lane can just say he's going to wait until after the season for a decision. What is OM going to do? Fire him and pay a 50 million buyout? Lane has all the leverage.

I mean they could tell him he either signs the extension or he can resign. If he's suspended without pay then he can't sign an agreement with Florida or LSU. He HAS to resign from Ole Miss to sign the contract with Florida or LSU. There are laws that prevent him from signing anything with Florida or LSU while he is employed at Ole Miss. You cannot sign an agreement with one state school and be employed by another state school.

So Lane has leverage to an extent, but it's not as much as some perceive him to have.

[Coursesuper]

I didn't realize he holds that record. That's not the side of the record book you wanna be on.

Kid also has played behind two of the single worst offensive lines in the history of MSU.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kid also has played behind two of the single worst offensive lines in the history of MSU.

He has but he also can't be completely absolved of blame. He gets HR happy back there when he actually has time and by the time he realizes the HR isn't there he tries to force something.

[TrapGame]

He has but he also can't be completely absolved of blame. He gets HR happy back there when he actually has time and by the time he realizes the HR isn't there he tries to force something.

I saw at least twice Saturday night where Shapen could have hit Traore in the flat for a 7 to 10 yard gain but held it too long looking for Evans or Thompson to get open.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I saw at least twice Saturday night where Shapen could have hit Traore in the flat for a 7 to 10 yard gain but held it too long looking for Evans or Thompson to get open.

And that's a definite issue. Because when he has time he tends to look for that HR. And sometimes he hit, but sometimes you have to be Checkdown Charlie and get the 7 yds to stay in front of the chains. I think he does that ok when he's pressured, but oddly enough struggles with it when he has time.

[Pancho]

Lames decision should be known in a week from today. Getting serious on the plantation with them touring high schools in florida and baton rouge

[StarkVegasSteve]

Lames decision should be known in a week from today. Getting serious on the plantation with them touring high schools in florida and baton rouge

I would say it's known by the weekend. If they get into game prep, which will probably start Friday, and something isn't signed by that point. There will be A TON of worry in Oxford.

[Coursesuper]

He has but he also can't be completely absolved of blame. He gets HR happy back there when he actually has time and by the time he realizes the HR isn't there he tries to force something.

Wasn't absolving the kid of blame, but have to add the context that he has taken a beating behind some poor OL play.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Wasn't absolving the kid of blame, but have to add the context that he has taken a beating behind some poor OL play.

He has. No doubt at all. I'm not saying one way or the other. Blake has done some good things for us and he's done some bad things for us. I just think at this point, we need to see what we have in Taylor. Because the offseason, win or not, starts November 28th at about 3 PM. We have to see what we have and look, OM has had trouble with mobile QBs this year. Kamario is that.

[TrapGame]

He has. No doubt at all. I'm not saying one way or the other. Blake has done some good things for us and he's done some bad things for us. I just think at this point, we need to see what we have in Taylor. Because the offseason, win or not, starts November 28th at about 3 PM. We have to see what we have and look, OM has had trouble with mobile QBs this year. Kamario is that.

And I really want to see how far Kamario matures from now until next season. Seeing how he has grown and matured in just three months makes me wonder how good he will be with a spring practice, summer workouts and a fall camp.

[DownwardDawg]

Kid also has played behind two of the single worst offensive lines in the history of MSU.

Absolute fact.

[Tbonewannabe]

Wasn't absolving the kid of blame, but have to add the context that he has taken a beating behind some poor OL play.

It says something that Kevin Fant played for 4 years but Shapen has the record. No one is worse than Richard Burch at LT. Dude got the DE from Auburn drafted on one game. I think he had 4 or 5 sacks.

[StarkVegasSteve]

And I really want to see how far Kamario matures from now until next season. Seeing how he has grown and matured in just three months makes me wonder how good he will be with a spring practice, summer workouts and a fall camp.

Well I want to see what he's going to do when he's given the reigns. Because if he struggles then we need to seriously consider looking at a transfer QB. We're going to need one regardless because Kromenhoek will out of all likelihood transfer. So we need to know whether we need a high level backup or we need a bonafide P4 starter.

And btw, I am not talking misses a couple of passes as struggles. I am talking like he consistently makes the wrong reads, with layering the ball, etc. Problems that cannot be worked out overnight or with more practice.

[Maroon Glasses]

And that's a definite issue. Because when he has time he tends to look for that HR. And sometimes he hit, but sometimes you have to be Checkdown Charlie and get the 7 yds to stay in front of the chains. I think he does that ok when he's pressured, but oddly enough struggles with it when he has time.

I think the reason he struggles when he does have time is due to how bad the O Line is. He has been hit all year. So he probably never expects time and when it's there its just added pressure on Shapen because he knows a hit is coming. I don't know if that makes sense how I worded it but that's how I would feel if I'm in Shapens shoes.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think the reason he struggles when he does have time is due to how bad the O Line is. He has been hit all year. So he probably never expects time and when it's there its just added pressure on Shapen because he knows a hit is coming. I don't know if that makes sense how I worded it but that's how I would feel if I'm in Shapens shoes.

You're saying he's seeing ghosts and feeling pressure when it's not there. That makes complete sense and I think that is definitely part of the issue.

[Maroon Glasses]

You're saying he's seeing ghosts and feeling pressure when it's not there. That makes complete sense and I think that is definitely part of the issue.

Yes sir.. thank you for putting it into a better perspective. 100% agree with you on why KT should play. I'm sure the price difference between a sure enough starter and strong backup is pretty significant. But might be closer than I think.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yes sir.. thank you for putting it into a better perspective. 100% agree with you on why KT should play. I'm sure the price difference between a sure enough starter and strong backup is pretty significant. But might be closer than I think.

A really good backup could be gotten for 600-700K. OM got Chambliss on a bit of a discount because he was FCS.

A P4 starter is probably going to start at 1.5 this year. You could get two HIGH LEVEL OLs for that price so we really need Kamario to be the real deal.

[TrapGame]

A really good backup could be gotten for 600-700K. OM got Chambliss on a bit of a discount because he was FCS.

A P4 starter is probably going to start at 1.5 this year. You could get two HIGH LEVEL OLs for that price so we really need Kamario to be the real deal.

Kentucky got Calzada for 1.5 and benched him. Of course I would not have gone after Calzada in the first place.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Kentucky got Calzada for 1.5 and benched him. Of course I would not have gone after Calzada in the first place.

Arnold costs Auburn 2.5 and they benched him.

[TrapGame]

Arnold costs Auburn 2.5 and they benched him.

Ouch. I forgot about that.

Think we can get a discount on Arnold as a backup?****

[Maroon Glasses]

Kentucky got Calzada for 1.5 and benched him. Of course I would not have gone after Calzada in the first place.

That's the sh!tty thing about NIL right now. 1.5 mill to get benched and then he flexed his money on social media with videos. I don't know the fine print of it all but hopefully they can come up with a solution for players like this. And I wanna add that if it's just a bad eval then that should just eat the loss. But if it's a discipline issue or a player just says screw it, the university should be able to get that money back. I'm assuming Calzada got benched due to poor playing but it aggravates me that he basically doesn't care and did all that on social media.

[R2Dawg]

Kid also has played behind two of the single worst offensive lines in the history of MSU.

Kevin Fant might have an argument with you.

[Maroon Glasses]

Arnold costs Auburn 2.5 and they benched him.

We dodged a bullet on that one.. I don't think anyone seen that coming.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Ouch. I forgot about that.

Think we can get a discount on Arnold as a backup?****

I'm not trying to start anything but I would not be least bit shocked if he was brought in. Personally I think he's going to UNT. I think Mestemaker ends up at Texas Tech and Arnold takes over for him there. I mean it's 7 miles Denton-Guyer to DATCU Stadium.

[Tbonewannabe]

Kevin Fant might have an argument with you.

Yeah talking about feeling ghosts. Towards the end, he would go down as soon as any Dline got pressure and I didn't blame him as much as he got hit.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Yeah talking about feeling ghosts. Towards the end, he would go down as soon as any Dline got pressure and I didn't blame him as much as he got hit.

In his defense, he knew what was coming. And it was kidney shot from his blind side.

[EdwardDrayton]

Om has no leverage. Lane can just say he's going to wait until after the season for a decision. What is OM going to do? Fire him and pay a 50 million buyout? Lane has all the leverage.

It's hard to imagine LSU or Florida would allow him that long to decide.

[parabrave]

go listen to Borkys Sports Talk Miss OM section and it sounds like there is about to be an implosion over there/

[DownwardDawg]

go listen to Borkys Sports Talk Miss OM section and it sounds like there is about to be an implosion over there/

Why are me and you always up at this time of the night. Two old dudes. Lol

[parabrave]

Why are me and you always up at this time of the night. Two old dudes. Lol

Yep. I take care of my 98 year old mother so I'm up at all hours. But they're going off on LK worse than we ever did with Mullen

[Todd4State]

Yep. I take care of my 98 year old mother so I'm up at all hours. But they're going off on LK worse than we ever did with Mullen

You know, when Dan was looking around it never was quite as completely obvious.

[DownwardDawg]

Yep. I take care of my 98 year old mother so I'm up at all hours. But they're going off on LK worse than we ever did with Mullen

My wife is a nurse and works some night shifts. So when I'm not working, my schedule is all jacked up!!!
I've been seen cutting with my saws and blowing off the driveway at 3:00 am.

[DownwardDawg]

You know, when Dan was looking around it never was quite as completely obvious.

True

[TrapGame]

You know, when Dan was looking around it never was quite as completely obvious.

Megan and the kids were not getting off a private jet in Miami.

[Lord McBuckethead]

Lebby has proven over and over he does not have the ability to learn on the job. Shapen will start, O will stall. and D will quit again if they ever start.

Well, yeah probably. Here is the thing I hope everyone can remember...... our OL and DL are the real issues.

Our DL is 100% a non-factor. They might as well put 3 kickers out there to play on the DL. They get zero pressure. They make zero tackles. They actually get pushed backwards into the linebackers and make them less effective. Hence why our safeties have to make literally every single tackle on a running back. Just like last year.

And I don't care if you have Jesus H Christ back there running the offense. If the OL cannot block consistently, there is no offense you can run that will be successful. The passing game evaporates because on every single snap, there are 2 different OL that just completely whiffs on a block. They must be blind because they never see a blitzer and they never see a stunt. So you cannot comfortably sit back there and throw the ball. And they really suck at run blocking. They have the opposite of a mean streak. Its almost like, in peewee football the linemen not understanding the strategy of the game. Its almost like they don't understand that all they have to do is time up some blocks to create a small hole for our running backs to cut through. Hard to do when the defense knows they get all the pressure they need with 3 or 4 rushers and they can all sit back on routes all day long.

Stop with this QB crap, or running back crap. It's the OL and DL. End of story.

Edited to add..... We need to put Evans or Guyton back there to return kickoffs and stop being a ***** about it. We need hidden yards.

[parabrave]

Well, yeah probably. Here is the thing I hope everyone can remember...... our OL and DL are the real issues.

Our DL is 100% a non-factor. They might as well put 3 kickers out there to play on the DL. They get zero pressure. They make zero tackles. They actually get pushed backwards into the linebackers and make them less effective. Hence why our safeties have to make literally every single tackle on a running back. Just like last year.

And I don't care if you have Jesus H Christ back there running the offense. If the OL cannot block consistently, there is no offense you can run that will be successful. The passing game evaporates because on every single snap, there are 2 different OL that just completely whiffs on a block. They must be blind because they never see a blitzer and they never see a stunt. So you cannot comfortably sit back there and throw the ball. And they really suck at run blocking. They have the opposite of a mean streak. Its almost like, in peewee football the linemen not understanding the strategy of the game. Its almost like they don't understand that all they have to do is time up some blocks to create a small hole for our running backs to cut through. Hard to do when the defense knows they get all the pressure they need with 3 or 4 rushers and they can all sit back on routes all day long.

Stop with this QB crap, or running back crap. It's the OL and DL. End of story.

Edited to add..... We need to put Evans or Guyton back there to return kickoffs and stop being a ***** about it. We need hidden yards.

Word!! Also and this is for the "posters in the Know" does MSU have any Corporate Sponsors and I mean ones that put real money into the program? Listening to Borky last night/morning and he was talking about partnerships OM has with Real Tree and now AFLAC. Does MSU partner with anybody?

[R2Dawg]

Well, yeah probably. Here is the thing I hope everyone can remember...... our OL and DL are the real issues.

Our DL is 100% a non-factor. They might as well put 3 kickers out there to play on the DL. They get zero pressure. They make zero tackles. They actually get pushed backwards into the linebackers and make them less effective. Hence why our safeties have to make literally every single tackle on a running back. Just like last year.

And I don't care if you have Jesus H Christ back there running the offense. If the OL cannot block consistently, there is no offense you can run that will be successful. The passing game evaporates because on every single snap, there are 2 different OL that just completely whiffs on a block. They must be blind because they never see a blitzer and they never see a stunt. So you cannot comfortably sit back there and throw the ball. And they really suck at run blocking. They have the opposite of a mean streak. Its almost like, in peewee football the linemen not understanding the strategy of the game. Its almost like they don't understand that all they have to do is time up some blocks to create a small hole for our running backs to cut through. Hard to do when the defense knows they get all the pressure they need with 3 or 4 rushers and they can all sit back on routes all day long.

Stop with this QB crap, or running back crap. It's the OL and DL. End of story.

Edited to add..... We need to put Evans or Guyton back there to return kickoffs and stop being a ***** about it. We need hidden yards.

Many things can be true at once. OL not been great all year but D has been good till last two games - they have quit. We were running the ball good till OL and RB injuries. Shapen was OK early in year but gotten worse - yes some is tied to OL but KT has played behind that same line and produced. They can't pin their ears back with him in there. Coaching has lost us 3 games period.

My post you responded to said nothing about above, you brought all that up.

We had #1 D in 18 and lost 5 games so was OL worst in football history? No, all parts of the team contribute to winning. I have always said though control the LOS and you'll win most of time but you can't be inept in all other areas either.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I would be absolutely shocked if Shapen doesnt start.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I would be absolutely shocked if Shapen doesnt start.

I heard Sunday night and a lot of Monday that the self scout was not kind to the offensive staff. Said Lebby was there pretty late Sunday night and they are trying to formulate something for Kamario as to not just let Golding tee off and dare Kamario to throw it deep every play. I think that is the concern for the staff. Can Kamario hit 2-3 of those deep throws early to back OM off and open up the quick game and the run game.

[War Machine Dawg]

Lebby has about as much chance of a 2009 Battle for the Golden Egg moment as I do of dating Sydney Sweeney. I watched that 09 team and this team. Let me tell you, it was obvious how well coached that team was. We were Tyson Lee not pitching to Dixon and the refs taking the Houston game from us from being 6-5 going into that game.

No head scratching coaching decisions cost us games. It was purely lack of talent at QB and depth in general. When Mullen won in 09, while a surprise, it wasn't a fluke. We thought we had a chance.

Hope like hell I'm wrong and Lebby pulls off the upset. I'd take my crow deep fried and enjoy every bite of it. Of all years, beating that lot would be especially sweet this year. But I don't see it. We're not well coached. A blind man can see it.

[Todd4State]

Lebby has about as much chance of a 2009 Battle for the Golden Egg moment as I do of dating Sydney Sweeney. I watched that 09 team and this team. Let me tell you, it was obvious how well coached that team was. We were Tyson Lee not pitching to Dixon and the refs taking the Houston game from us from being 6-5 going into that game.

No head scratching coaching decisions cost us games. It was purely lack of talent at QB and depth in general. When Mullen won in 09, while a surprise, it wasn't a fluke. We thought we had a chance.

Hope like hell I'm wrong and Lebby pulls off the upset. I'd take my crow deep fried and enjoy every bite of it. Of all years, beating that lot would be especially sweet this year. But I don't see it. We're not well coached. A blind man can see it.

Are you serious? Dan not handing off to AD on the goal line against LSU was every bit as questionable as anything Lebby has done. And as far as the refs and Houston- maybe they don't screw us if Dan calls timeout and asks for a replay.

[Maroon Glasses]

Are you serious? Dan not handing off to AD on the goal line against LSU was every bit as questionable as anything Lebby has done. And as far as the refs and Houston- maybe they don't screw us if Dan calls timeout and asks for a replay.

That goal line sequence still haunts me to this day! Pure heartbreak. The one of infinite so far.

[Quaoarsking]

Are you serious? Dan not handing off to AD on the goal line against LSU was every bit as questionable as anything Lebby has done. And as far as the refs and Houston- maybe they don't screw us if Dan calls timeout and asks for a replay.

Dan handed it off to Dixon on 1st down and 2nd down. On 3rd down, he called the jump pass and the WR was wide open, but Lee didn't get the ball to him. On 4th down, it was an option and again the TD was there if Lee had pitched it to Dixon.

I have no qualms about how Mullen called that series.

[DownwardDawg]

Are you serious? Dan not handing off to AD on the goal line against LSU was every bit as questionable as anything Lebby has done. And as far as the refs and Houston- maybe they don't screw us if Dan calls timeout and asks for a replay.

Hand the ball to Anthony Dixon 4 times in a row if needed and we would have run. That was horrible play calling. One of the many reasons I've always said Malzahn is a much better play caller than Dan.

[BuckyIsAB****]

I just think if you are waiting on Lebby to change you are going to be waiting a while

[Turfdawg67]

That goal line sequence still haunts me to this day! Pure heartbreak. The one of infinite so far.

Thanks to the pause and rewind button, I was behind and not watching live. I had a friend text me and congratulated me on beating LSU. So imagine going through that agonizing series “thinking” we scored when we actually didn’t! Later when I asked him about the text he said he just assumed that we would score from the 1 yard line.

[Goldendawg]

Dan handed it off to Dixon on 1st down and 2nd down. On 3rd down, he called the jump pass and the WR was wide open, but Lee didn't get the ball to him. On 4th down, it was an option and again the TD was there if Lee had pitched it to Dixon.

I have no qualms about how Mullen called that series.

Hard for for Lee, a 5'9", at best, QB, to see over a SEC DL and this is right down there with our 6'2" (?), QB throwing a possible game changing interception to a 6'5" 320 lb NG that he said after the game that he didn't see drop back in coverage for FL. Lebby will never be as successful as Dan in his career at State and yes, the game has changed. Upset OM!

[R2Dawg]

I just think if you are waiting on Lebby to change you are going to be waiting a while

Lebby needs a mentor or consultant or someone to get him to change approach and change fast. He has an opportunity in egg bowl, that he may not get again. Its now or never.

[R2Dawg]

Hard for for Lee, a 5'9", at best, QB, to see over a SEC DL and this is right down there with our 6'2" (?), QB throwing a possible game changing interception to a 6'5" 320 lb NG that he said after the game that he didn't see drop back in coverage for FL. Lebby will never be as successful as Dan in his career at State and yes, the game has changed. Upset OM!

Yep, Relf and Dixion there and we win that one. Even though we lost games that year, we finished strong and improved and gave hope for future. However the outcome Friday game, we need some hope for future - like KT showing out and team rallying around him. A win would do it too but we got to show something better than the last two weeks.

[Maroon Glasses]

Thanks to the pause and rewind button, I was behind and not watching live. I had a friend text me and congratulated me on beating LSU. So imagine going through that agonizing series ?thinking? we scored when we actually didn?t! Later when I asked him about the text he said he just assumed that we would score from the 1 yard line.

Mannnnn that had to be agonizing! Lol.. just waiting for the go ahead TD that never came! Tragic but funny story!

[Maroon Glasses]

FWIW... Lebby said Shapen would be the starter in the Egg Bowl if Shapen is 100%.

[StarkVegasSteve]

FWIW... Lebby said Shapen would be the starter in the Egg Bowl if Shapen is 100%.

That if he's 100% thing is why I think we end up seeing Kamario. He keeps mentioning that and now he'll have 13 days to get Kamario ready. It's also a bit of gamesmanship. He makes OM prepare for both.

Now am I going to sit here today and say that Shapen doesn't "ceremonially" take the first snap or even play the first series? No. But I think Lebby unleashes everything at Kiffin and Golding in 9 days. And unleashing everything in the clip involves having Kamario involved. OM has trouble with mobile QBs, see Taylen Green and DJ Lagway. Kamario is who gives us the best chance Saturday. He's shown enough at this point to show he can hold up. It's time. I don't know that he's completely ready. But Chris Relf wasn't completely ready 16 years ago either.

[Maroon Glasses]

That if he's 100% thing is why I think we end up seeing Kamario. He keeps mentioning that and now he'll have 13 days to get Kamario ready. It's also a bit of gamesmanship. He makes OM prepare for both.

Now am I going to sit here today and say that Shapen doesn't "ceremonially" take the first snap or even play the first series? No. But I think Lebby unleashes everything at Kiffin and Golding in 9 days. And unleashing everything in the clip involves having Kamario involved. OM has trouble with mobile QBs, see Taylen Green and DJ Lagway. Kamario is who gives us the best chance Saturday. He's shown enough at this point to show he can hold up. It's time. I don't know that he's completely ready. But Chris Relf wasn't completely ready 16 years ago either.

I dont know if he is completely ready either but I dont think it matters at this point. I think he needs to play a considerable amount of the snaps. Like you said.. Even if Shapen starts, KT needs to be involved. And not just red zone situations. Simply for the fact that I think Shapens confidence is shot. Plus as you mentioned, OM does have trouble with dual threat guys.

I was wondering about the 100% thing. I didn't think Shapen was injured. I figured it was a gamesmanship thing like you said or just saying coach speak to keep Shapen involved and try and build some confidence up.

[Turfdawg67]

Mannnnn that had to be agonizing! Lol.. just waiting for the go ahead TD that never came! Tragic but funny story!

Absolutely brutal... and on 4th down, I've already told the family and friends watching it with me that we had scored. So when we didn't, the loss was 10 fold as painful.

[Cowbeller]

Lebby needs a mentor or consultant or someone to get him to change approach and change fast. He has an opportunity in egg bowl, that he may not get again. Its now or never.

If only he had a family member with a proven track record of successful P4 teams.

I think Lebby will be fine and probably gets some advice from the in law. If Steve is right and we are actually game planning KT we have a shot.

[War Machine Dawg]

Dan handed it off to Dixon on 1st down and 2nd down. On 3rd down, he called the jump pass and the WR was wide open, but Lee didn't get the ball to him. On 4th down, it was an option and again the TD was there if Lee had pitched it to Dixon.

I have no qualms about how Mullen called that series.

Bingo. The only thing that went wrong that series was not pitching to AD on the option. Now should Dan have told Lee to pitch it to AD unless Lee saw he'd walk in untouched? Probably. But coaching didn't cost us that game.

[Coach34]

Bingo. The only thing that went wrong that series was not pitching to AD on the option. Now should Dan have told Lee to pitch it to AD unless Lee saw he'd walk in untouched? Probably. But coaching didn't cost us that game.

In defense of Tyson Lee- Chad Jones made a hellacious defensive play to keep us from scoring. It was a great call by Mullen. As was his call on 4th down. If you watch the replay- Tyson saw some daylight and tried to get in it to score and unfortunately he didnt. But yeah- pitch it and we win the game. Losses like that are so tough to take.

[1eyedog]

In defense of Tyson Lee- Chad Jones made a hellacious defensive play to keep us from scoring. It was a great call by Mullen. As was his call on 4th down. If you watch the replay- Tyson saw some daylight and tried to get in it to score and unfortunately he didnt. But yeah- pitch it and we win the game. Losses like that are so tough to take.

I have defended that call for years, only an incredible play by a great player saved them....it was a great call. If you have seen as many DOG losses as I have by going conservative and running up the middle where there was no opening (especially in big games), it would make you sick.....

[War Machine Dawg]

In defense of Tyson Lee- Chad Jones made a hellacious defensive play to keep us from scoring. It was a great call by Mullen. As was his call on 4th down. If you watch the replay- Tyson saw some daylight and tried to get in it to score and unfortunately he didnt. But yeah- pitch it and we win the game. Losses like that are so tough to take.

I think we're all agreeing/saying basically the same thing. Regardless, my point that Mullen winning the 09 Battle for the Golden Egg wasn't some fluke that no one saw coming. That's exactly what Lebby winning in two weeks would be.