Just here to say that we have money issues.. not coaching

[BlackSailsDawg]

We are having to pinch pennies unlike Ole Miss or most on our schedule. An example is Hardy. You the guy that ran all over us last night? We had to pass on him due to money. We went with option 2 to save money to be able to spend elsewhere.

I see so much jealously of Ole Miss on here without the understanding. Lane Kiffin does exactly what you are complaining that Lebby does. Lane went for it on 4th inside his own 20 on the road vs OU this season. He did it verses Bama 2 years ago. In fact he lost that game. The OU game this year, he had the talent to make up for it.

This isn't a poor ole state. It's a simple truth and it is what it is. Until we get way more money in NIL we are going to have this same discussion over and over no matter who the QB is nor the HC is. It's always going to be somebody's fault that our 3 star OL could not block a 5 star DL and LB rather than understanding our lack of purchasing power.

When you get to that point, you begin to grasp how well this staff has done with what we have. We should not have been in the Tenn, Tx, TAMU, UF, nor Mizzou game at any point.


I love MSU! I will always watch til the end. But this constant blaming everybody except for THE issue is mind numbing.

[Quaoarsking]

The idea that no one on here understands we are in a bad money position and just jealous of Ole Miss is hysterically out-of-touch. We all get it.

We need a coach who can win despite the financial disadvantages. Even if Lebby could hypothetically be a good coach at a richer school (which I doubt), he doesn't appear to be the right coach for us.

[BlackSailsDawg]

The idea that no one on here understands we are in a bad money position and just jealous of Ole Miss is hysterically out-of-touch. We all get it.

We need a coach who can win despite the financial disadvantages. Even if Lebby could hypothetically be a good coach at a richer school (which I doubt), he doesn't appear to be the right coach for us.

We are not going to. We are competitive this season. But we will not take another step forward until money flows.

[Maroon Glasses]

I'm not arguing we don't have a money problem.. of course we do. But money problems has nothing to do with Lebby's coaching decisions last night and previous games this year. We can argue his play calling was because of lack of personal, sure. Get creative. COACH like you're paid to do. If money shortage played a part in deciding to pass against Florida, punt to Texas, and run 8 straight QB draws against Mizz then I really dont understand this game called football. And that is just a fraction of a fraction of questionable coaching decisions this year.

Agree with you we need more money and better players. But last night 1000% got me off the Lebby train. In game decisions have killed this season.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I'm not arguing we don't have a money problem.. of course we do. But money problems has nothing to do with Lebby's coaching decisions last night and previous games this year. We can argue his play calling was because of lack of personal, sure. Get creative. COACH like you're paid to do. If money shortage played a part in deciding to pass against Florida, punt to Texas, and run 8 straight QB draws against Mizz then I really dont understand this game called football. And that is just a fraction of a fraction of questionable coaching decisions this year.

Agree with you we need more money and better players. But last night 1000% got me off the Lebby train. In game decisions have killed this season.

The UF game. Personally I would have ran it instead of passing it. But I understand the thought process. If we get a TFL it makes the FG near impossible. So a quick pass, speaking stat wise, should result in positive yards OR incomplete pass, and rarely an INT.

We did not run 8 straight draws vs Mizzou. Those were RPOs and both QBs saw they had the numbers. When you have the numbers you take it. So what happened? Piss poor blocking. We had numbers and still could do nothing. On the flip side of that, if the QBs do not take the numbers, our wrs have little room because that's where they put the numbers at.

We have a 3 star line trying to defend against 5 and 4 star players at DE, DL, and LB.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Anyone paying attention can tell we have improved from last year to this one. We are playing harder and are in games which is a credit to Lebby and staff.

However,

Not money, not facilities, not (insert whatever other excuse you want). The reason we lost the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games are Lebby and Lebby alone. His play calling- specifically going for it over and over on 4th down on our own side of the field have been the difference. That is COMPLETELY on him. As a coach you have to have some feel for the game, and he apparently does not. I never bought into the line of "He's young and learning how to win". Going for it on our own 36 against Texas was maybe the dumbest call I have ever seen. He shows no remorse for it and generally blames the players for his own mistakes. He is about to lose this locker room. We are in positions to win and he takes away our chances.

I am generally never in favor of firing a coach after 2 years but he has proved to me things arent going to change.

[SPMT]

How do we get more money?

Are Ole Miss boosters that much wealthier than MSU boosters?

Are we just not as committed as Ole Miss?

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

How do we get more money?

Are Ole Miss boosters that much wealthier than MSU boosters?

Are we just not as committed as Ole Miss?

Our fans don't really care for football. We have proved it over and over.

[Maroon Glasses]

The UF game. Personally I would have ran it instead of passing it. But I understand the thought process. If we get a TFL it makes the FG near impossible. So a quick pass, speaking stat wise, should result in positive yards OR incomplete pass, and rarely an INT.

We did not run 8 straight draws vs Mizzou. Those were RPOs and both QBs saw they had the numbers. When you have the numbers you take it. So what happened? Piss poor blocking. We had numbers and still could do nothing. On the flip side of that, if the QBs do not take the numbers, our wrs have little room because that's where they put the numbers at.

We have a 3 star line trying to defend against 5 and 4 star players at DE, DL, and LB.

According to Lebby in his post game interview.. he said the QB runs was part of their gameplan. Said they thought they could utilize it against Mizz defense. I get they are rpo plays. But if it doesn't work and clearly isn't working.. you can't keep going to it and expect a different outcome. That is my problem with Lebby. He literally kept trying,trying, and trying it. Roll the QB outside the pocket. Give it to a RB. Get in the I formation. Idc what he calls but QB draw, rpo, whatever it was... did not work and he literally kept rolling with it. Now I'm not a coach so I don't wanna sound like a know it all cause I'm not. But decisions have been questionable to say the least. I'm just aggravated. We definitely, definitely need more money tho. No argument from me there.

[Maroon Glasses]

Anyone paying attention can tell we have improved from last year to this one. We are playing harder and are in games which is a credit to Lebby and staff.

However,

Not money, not facilities, not (insert whatever other excuse you want). The reason we lost the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games are Lebby and Lebby alone. His play calling- specifically going for it over and over on 4th down on our own side of the field have been the difference. That is COMPLETELY on him. As a coach you have to have some feel for the game, and he apparently does not. I never bought into the line of "He's young and learning how to win". Going for it on our own 36 against Texas was maybe the dumbest call I have ever seen. He shows no remorse for it and generally blames the players for his own mistakes. He is about to lose this locker room. We are in positions to win and he takes away our chances.

I am generally never in favor of firing a coach after 2 years but he has proved to me things arent going to change.

100% my thoughts. Great post

[BlackSailsDawg]

Anyone paying attention can tell we have improved from last year to this one. We are playing harder and are in games which is a credit to Lebby and staff.

However,

Not money, not facilities, not (insert whatever other excuse you want). The reason we lost the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games are Lebby and Lebby alone. His play calling- specifically going for it over and over on 4th down on our own side of the field have been the difference. That is COMPLETELY on him. As a coach you have to have some feel for the game, and he apparently does not. I never bought into the line of "He's young and learning how to win". Going for it on our own 36 against Texas was maybe the dumbest call I have ever seen. He shows no remorse for it and generally blames the players for his own mistakes. He is about to lose this locker room. We are in positions to win and he takes away our chances.

I am generally never in favor of firing a coach after 2 years but he has proved to me things arent going to change.

Gotta disagree. It was his play calling that got us in position to win to begin with. Imagine if we had an OL that was comparable to ANYBODY else in the SEC. We don't. If we did, we would be an 8 win team. That goes for the DL/LB too. Being thin has hurt us at the end of games (tx and UT).

We are not far off. We need maybe 5 to 7 million more to raise the bar at OL and DL/LB.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

Gotta disagree. It was his play calling that got us in position to win to begin with. Imagine if we had an OL that was comparable to ANYBODY else in the SEC. We don't. If we did, we would be an 8 win team. That goes for the DL/LB too. Being thin has hurt us at the end of games (tx and UT).

We are not far off. We need maybe 5 to 7 million more to raise the bar at OL and DL/LB.

If we punt the ball against Texas, they simply do not have enough time to come back on us. Running Kamario off left tackle in the Florida game gives us a ~45 yard attempt. If he misses the field goal- fine- at least we had an opportunity. Lebby is erasing these chances with his own stupidity. It has nothing to do with depth.

[BlackSailsDawg]

How do we get more money?

Are Ole Miss boosters that much wealthier than MSU boosters?

Are we just not as committed as Ole Miss?

I think it's several problems. Ole Miss will look like their home game. Watch. That's horrible on our fan's part. They want to complain about not winning, but damn sure don't call them out on that part. we don't seem to care as a fan base to do what we need to do. Show up, and sell it out. We want the wins without playing our role/part. Another way to look at that is friends are few and far between until you win the lottery. Then you meet all of your best friends that you never knew you had. They are willing to do what ever it takes to just get that little bit of "I rubbed shoulders with" feeling. Selling out brings money in.

Next is we do not have the booster pool that can do what Arkansas is about to do. They are about to leave us in the dirt with one of the worst in state talent pool in the SEC. Now... do we have enough boosters to make us better. Yes. If they buy in.

Ole miss has always purchased a team. It was just illegal back in the day. So if they are willing to risk the NCAA hammering them, then you know they are all in now.

[CaptainObvious]

Well, we aren?t going to get the money. It just isn?t there for Football nor will it ever be if our wealthy NFL players don?t step up and make sizable donations. And frankly, I don?t think they care. They got what they needed out of State and have moved on in life. I would be very surprised if any of their kids that turn out to be great athletes even think about attending MSU. The Jenkins kid is a different situation because it is a football dad raising a very talented baseball son. Where are our legacy star football players? None. Where is our athletics department bringing all those Probowlers in during the off-season to try and get them on board with helping with NIL and Coaches Salaries?

I said earlier, we could charge an NIL fee on top of every ticket but ticket prices are already pricing out the average State fans family.

[BlackSailsDawg]

If we punt the ball against Texas, they simply do not have enough time to come back on us. Running Kamario off left tackle in the Florida game gives us a ~45 yard attempt. If he misses the field goal- fine- at least we had an opportunity. Lebby is erasing these chances with his own stupidity. It has nothing to do with depth.

That's pure speculation Bruce. You don't know that Taylor would have made yards. He takes TFLs too. And that is due to what? The 3 star OL. Yes it does have to do with depth. You can not be serious in thinking that Smith and Whitson have not been missed. Did you know that Whitson has not played since the 2nd game but still leads our team in sacks? Do you think Smith doesn't set the edges better than Washington?

So yeah. Depth matters a hell of a whole lot.

[CaptainObvious]

Gotta disagree. It was his play calling that got us in position to win to begin with. Imagine if we had an OL that was comparable to ANYBODY else in the SEC. We don't. If we did, we would be an 8 win team. That goes for the DL/LB too. Being thin has hurt us at the end of games (tx and UT).

We are not far off. We need maybe 5 to 7 million more to raise the bar at OL and DL/LB.

Whose responsibility is the offensive line and the defense? The guy with whom the buck stops.

Not only is Lebby a bad in game coach, he is a horrible talent evaluator. So forget about the money. It ain?t coming! Get a gimmicky established head coach who has won at the lower level or at even tougher places to win than State and hire a Stealth Jet to take the coaches and all the returning players to a remote island where they do nothing but practice for 300 days straight. It may be cheating but the Law has made cheating in football legal so cheat away!

[CaptainObvious]

That's pure speculation Bruce. You don't know that Taylor would have made yards. He takes TFLs too. And that is due to what? The 3 star OL. Yes it does have to do with depth. You can not be serious in thinking that Smith and Whitson have not been missed. Did you know that Whitson has not played since the 2nd game but still leads our team in sacks? Do you think Smith doesn't set the edges better than Washington?

So yeah. Depth matters a hell of a whole lot.

Everybody has 3 star offensive linemen. And I mean EVERYBODY from Ohio State to Georgia!

There are only 32 5 star players rated 98 or higher) every year and rarely are more than 1 or 2 an Offensive Lineman.
There are between 200 and 250 4 star players (rated 89.5 to 97.9) every year. Probably 30-45 of those are offensive linemen and a third of that Left Tackles. We ain?t getting them.

I pointed this out the other day. In Auburn?s heyday, they redshirted entire classes of offensive linemen to where they had 7 seniors and juniors every single year on the line. It was a Pat Dye?s and Pie Vann?s way and it was successful.

[SPMT]

I think it's several problems. Ole Miss will look like their home game. Watch. That's horrible on our fan's part. They want to complain about not winning, but damn sure don't call them out on that part. we don't seem to care as a fan base to do what we need to do. Show up, and sell it out. We want the wins without playing our role/part. Another way to look at that is friends are few and far between until you win the lottery. Then you meet all of your best friends that you never knew you had. They are willing to do what ever it takes to just get that little bit of "I rubbed shoulders with" feeling. Selling out brings money in.

Next is we do not have the booster pool that can do what Arkansas is about to do. They are about to leave us in the dirt with one of the worst in state talent pool in the SEC. Now... do we have enough boosters to make us better. Yes. If they buy in.

Ole miss has always purchased a team. It was just illegal back in the day. So if they are willing to risk the NCAA hammering them, then you know they are all in now.


The games have been packed and it wasn?t that long ago, post Leach we have struggled.

It?s a leadership issue from the people employed by the university as much as it is the fans, maybe more. It is their job to create more buy in.

[Cowbeller]

Donate. Donate. Donate again. Call your rich buddy and get him to donate.

Until we change the culture of the fanbase towards NIL we will continue to be 5-6 wins. It can be done but it starts with us

[Quaoarsking]

The games have been packed and it wasn?t that long ago, post Leach we have struggled.

It?s a leadership issue from the people employed by the university as much as it is the fans, maybe more. It is their job to create more buy in.

The administration shouldn't have hired a coach nobody wanted, and then said coach should have worked harder to get the fans back on board instead of getting his ass kicked by Toledo.

[Quaoarsking]

Donate. Donate. Donate again. Call your rich buddy and get him to donate.

Until we change the culture of the fanbase towards NIL we will continue to be 5-6 wins. It can be done but it starts with us

It will be easier to get donations when we have a coach that our fans like and believe in.

Maybe Lebby can still be that guy if he wins the Egg Bowl, but outside of that, he's a lame duck and we'll have someone new in 2027.

[THE Bruce Dickinson]

That's pure speculation Bruce. You don't know that Taylor would have made yards. He takes TFLs too. And that is due to what? The 3 star OL. Yes it does have to do with depth. You can not be serious in thinking that Smith and Whitson have not been missed. Did you know that Whitson has not played since the 2nd game but still leads our team in sacks? Do you think Smith doesn't set the edges better than Washington?

So yeah. Depth matters a hell of a whole lot.

Not saying depth doesn't matter. Of course it does. But it didn't matter in those 2 examples. Maybe KT isn't getting 5 yards but he's like not losing any on a direct snap off tackle QB run. maybe he gets 0 but it still puts the ball in the middle of the field in OUR possession. and I am not speculating in regards to the Texas game. If we punt the ball on our own 36 it takes them at least 5-6 extra minutes to score. They don't have time to come back at that point.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Whose responsibility is the offensive line and the defense? The guy with whom the buck stops.

Not only is Lebby a bad in game coach, he is a horrible talent evaluator. So forget about the money. It ain?t coming! Get a gimmicky established head coach who has won at the lower level or at even tougher places to win than State and hire a Stealth Jet to take the coaches and all the returning players to a remote island where they do nothing but practice for 300 days straight. It may be cheating but the Law has made cheating in football legal so cheat away!

It stops with the quality of players. Asking Saban to come in and spend next to nothing in comparison to all other SEC teams will still not result in taking a barley 3 star player and turning him into a 5 star. Especially in a year.

I'm all for cheating. I say take millions and invest it to build funds for recruiting.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Everybody has 3 star offensive linemen. And I mean EVERYBODY from Ohio State to Georgia!

There are only 32 5 star players rated 98 or higher) every year and rarely are more than 1 or 2 an Offensive Lineman.
There are between 200 and 250 4 star players (rated 89.5 to 97.9) every year. Probably 30-45 of those are offensive linemen and a third of that Left Tackles. We ain?t getting them.

I pointed this out the other day. In Auburn?s heyday, they redshirted entire classes of offensive linemen to where they had 7 seniors and juniors every single year on the line. It was a Pat Dye?s and Pie Vann?s way and it was successful.

Dude. Please don't make me post rosters on here. You are simply wrong. Those teams we lost to do not have 3 star offensive lines. They may have them on roster, but they are not starting but in rare cases.

Tennessee has a couple of 5 star guys and 6 4*s on the OL.

Tx has a couple of 5*s and 7 4*s

UGA has 14 4* Olmen.

If you think that doesn't matter, then hey.. fire everybody because dang it, our guys are as good as everybody elses.

[CadaverDawg]

The fans showed up for Lenny and gave max effort in some big games this year. Time after time those big crowds have left the stadium after losses where our coach blew leads. Did he help create the leads? Sure. But he failed to close them so after a while the fans will say, screw this.

Mullen asked for support, and our fans did it. The team won, and it was a reciprocal deal. Fans did the same with Lenny, and while close on a few, he hasn't delivered. That's on him.
That's like asking me to continue contributing my money to a fund that is bringing in negative returns year after year....eventually I'm going to say this Money is better spent in a shoebox in my closet.

* And I was going to edit "Lenny" to Lebby, but he doesn't deserve it. He's Lenny until he earns the proper spelling.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Not saying depth doesn't matter. Of course it does. But it didn't matter in those 2 examples. Maybe KT isn't getting 5 yards but he's like not losing any on a direct snap off tackle QB run. maybe he gets 0 but it still puts the ball in the middle of the field in OUR possession. and I am not speculating in regards to the Texas game. If we punt the ball on our own 36 it takes them at least 5-6 extra minutes to score. They don't have time to come back at that point.

Taylor took several TFLs. It's not a given.

[Quaoarsking]

* And I was going to edit "Lenny" to Lebby, but he doesn't deserve it. He's Lenny until he earns the proper spelling.

Reference to Of Mice and Men?

[BankerDog]

It?s simple. We care more about baseball than football or basketball. We are not all in. For football specific, I was told this by a long time booster and money guy this morning:

The problem in Starkville is the lack of football knowledge with a large amount of arrogance mixed on top of it. Opinions are built based on access and people being nice to folks. Knowledge without personality is run out of town. Funny how we always overvalue West Point, Louisville, and Starkville and undervalue more rural areas.

[CadaverDawg]

It?s simple. We care more about baseball than football or basketball. We are not all in. For football specific, I was told this by a long time booster and money guy this morning:

The problem in Starkville is the lack of football knowledge with a large amount of arrogance mixed on top of it. Opinions are built based on access and people being nice to folks. Knowledge without personality is run out of town. Funny how we always overvalue West Point, Louisville, and Starkville and undervalue more rural areas.

Well then that makes me want to leave this fan base, bc that's just dumb.

I'd rather shut down baseball and basketball and go all in on football. It's the only sport that matters

[BankerDog]

Also it?s the most Mississippi state thing to give KT the keys when Luke K is the hugest ranked QB prospect we have ever had on campus. Too bad he only knows 1/3 of the playbook.

[LC Dawg]

There is no doubt that more money will help but there are only so many SEC level OL and DL in the portal each year and it will always be difficult for us to outbid others for them. We are going to have to be very good at evaluating players in the portal and I think we need to focus on getting good lineman out of high school and develop them.
I don't know how much money we dedicate to recruiting and portal evaluation but I'm sure it's not enough.

[bulldawg28]

We have enough money to be a 8 win team this year. It's obviously not the money

[BlackSailsDawg]

The fans showed up for Lenny and gave max effort in some big games this year. Time after time those big crowds have left the stadium after losses where our coach blew leads. Did he help create the leads? Sure. But he failed to close them so after a while the fans will say, screw this.

Mullen asked for support, and our fans did it. The team won, and it was a reciprocal deal. Fans did the same with Lebby, and while close on a few, he hasn't delivered. That's on him.
That's like asking me to continue contributing my money to a fund that is bringing in negative returns year after year....eventually I'm going to say this Mo eh is better spent in a shoebox in my closet.

* And I was going to edit "Lenny" to Lebby, but he doesn't deserve it. He's Lenny until he earns the proper spelling.

No, it's on us. You are literally suggesting that our lack of NIL is his problem and he should over come that just to get you in the stands. How can he over come that? developing players? That takes time. Not an off season. And our fans are under the impression that it's no big deal to do that.

So here is what your route takes us to. A revolving door in coaching with not stability in recruiting. No player is going to come here for less money and an unsure situation every year to 2 years. The problem becomes compounded by having to pay off coaches which cuts into our ability to hire a coaching staff.

If that's where you are, have at it. I will still be a state fan and wish for the best. But I will never expect more than what we are paying for in relation to other schools.

[BankerDog]

Well then that makes me want to leave this fan base, bc that's just dumb.

I'd rather shut down baseball and basketball and go all in on football. It's the only sport that matters

Look back at past decisions and you can tell we are not all in on our football program. Never have been outside of a few years with Mullen and Jackie. We continue to shoot ourselves in the foot.

I mean we have a certain group of people on AD office that have been here too long. Reason why we had to bring Peterson, Will Friend, Bumphis, and Turner back. I mean what has Turner done besides ride off the success of Chris Jones? He hasn?t produced a DL in a long time. A lot of our issues on defense are him trying to play gap contain and not create penetration with his DL. Same guy told Will Echoles at OM he was never going to be a SEC DL. Kalvin Dinkins and Trevion Williams have not improved one bit since getting on campus three years ago with Turner.

Everyone wants to tag the line of ?hiring friends? our boosters do that in football with every damn hire. Amazing some of our best years are with guys people hated because they didn?t have access?Mullen/Leach/Jackie.

Maybe certain old heads need to look themselves in the mirror and realize it isn?t the same day and age as it use to be. And don?t give me the adage ?we don?t have money?. We have it. A lot more than people care to admit. It?s time for us to start going all in like the guys up north.

[bulldawg28]

Also it?s the most Mississippi state thing to give KT the keys when Luke K is the hugest ranked QB prospect we have ever had on campus. Too bad he only knows 1/3 of the playbook.

There's no way possible he's been here the entire year and only knows 1/3 of the playbook. It's not rocket science and you have the coach in your helmet for an extended period of time.

[BlackSailsDawg]

There is no doubt that more money will help but there are only so many SEC level OL and DL in the portal each year and it will always be difficult for us to outbid others for them. We are going to have to be very good at evaluating players in the portal and I think we need to focus on getting good lineman out of high school and develop them.
I don't know how much money we dedicate to recruiting and portal evaluation but I'm sure it's not enough.

Our fans are not willing to give a HC time to develop the program and players. We are under the misguided impression that we have the NIL dollars to flip the roster with a ready made team and if that does not happen, we fire everybody.

[BlackSailsDawg]

We have enough money to be a 8 win team this year. It's obviously not the money

No we didn't. Or we would be. What you saw was a staff getting every ounce of the players we have just to be in that situation.

[CadaverDawg]

No, it's on us. You are literally suggesting that our lack of NIL is his problem and he should over come that just to get you in the stands. How can he over come that? developing players? That takes time. Not an off season. And our fans are under the impression that it's no big deal to do that.

So here is what your route takes us to. A revolving door in coaching with not stability in recruiting. No player is going to come here for less money and an unsure situation every year to 2 years. The problem becomes compounded by having to pay off coaches which cuts into our ability to hire a coaching staff.

If that's where you are, have at it. I will still be a state fan and wish for the best. But I will never expect more than what we are paying for in relation to other schools.

I think you're confusing me for another poster. I didn't say it was a NIL issue or anything else. I'm fine with giving him time but you can't expect people to keep showing up for a garbage product, especially when those games we clearly had enough talent to win bc we led all of them late, but Lebby blew it.

Hell, Kiffin is taking Ole Miss to the playoffs and is still bitching about bad crowds, yet State fans are supposed to "pack the house" for garbage week in a week out? Sounds beautiful and delightful, but far from reality in my opinion.

[bulldawg28]

No we didn't. Or we would be. What you saw was a staff getting every ounce of the players we have just to be in that situation.

Money was not the reason we lost to Florida, TN, or Texas. Everything was there to win. Poor coaching and situational football lost those 3.

[Quaoarsking]

No we didn't. Or we would be. What you saw was a staff getting every ounce of the players we have just to be in that situation.

It's just delusional and cultish to say that actually we weren't good enough to compete with a 3-9 Florida team, and that actually the fact that Lebby was able to screw it up and cost us the win is a testament to how good of a coach he actually is.

Any reasonably competent coach would have beaten Florida this year with the amount of NIL funding we had. Lebby almost did it himself but his decisions (including the one at the end, but also earlier ones) cost the team the win.

[LC Dawg]

Our fans are not willing to give a HC time to develop the program and players. We are under the misguided impression that we have the NIL dollars to flip the roster with a ready made team and if that does not happen, we fire everybody.

I think if fans see the development they may be more patient but we have multiple offensive and defensive linemen that show virtually no improvement in the two years Lebby has been here.

[Fred Garvin]

It?s simple. We care more about baseball than football or basketball. We are not all in. For football specific, I was told this by a long time booster and money guy this morning:

The problem in Starkville is the lack of football knowledge with a large amount of arrogance mixed on top of it. Opinions are built based on access and people being nice to folks. Knowledge without personality is run out of town. Funny how we always overvalue West Point, Louisville, and Starkville and undervalue more rural areas.

Nailed it. Of course, this describes most of the decisions made in Mississippi.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Look back at past decisions and you can tell we are not all in on our football program. Never have been outside of a few years with Mullen and Jackie. We continue to shoot ourselves in the foot.

I mean we have a certain group of people on AD office that have been here too long. Reason why we had to bring Peterson, Will Friend, Bumphis, and Turner back. I mean what has Turner done besides ride off the success of Chris Jones? He hasn?t produced a DL in a long time. A lot of our issues on defense are him trying to play gap contain and not create penetration with his DL. Same guy told Will Echoles at OM he was never going to be a SEC DL. Kalvin Dinkins and Trevion Williams have not improved one bit since getting on campus three years ago with Turner.

Everyone wants to tag the line of ?hiring friends? our boosters do that in football with every damn hire. Amazing some of our best years are with guys people hated because they didn?t have access?Mullen/Leach/Jackie.

Maybe certain old heads need to look themselves in the mirror and realize it isn?t the same day and age as it use to be. And don?t give me the adage ?we don?t have money?. We have it. A lot more than people care to admit. It?s time for us to start going all in like the guys up north.

Auburn like

[Bothrops]

We are having to pinch pennies unlike Ole Miss or most on our schedule. An example is Hardy. You the guy that ran all over us last night? We had to pass on him due to money. We went with option 2 to save money to be able to spend elsewhere.

I see so much jealously of Ole Miss on here without the understanding. Lane Kiffin does exactly what you are complaining that Lebby does. Lane went for it on 4th inside his own 20 on the road vs OU this season. He did it verses Bama 2 years ago. In fact he lost that game. The OU game this year, he had the talent to make up for it.

This isn't a poor ole state. It's a simple truth and it is what it is. Until we get way more money in NIL we are going to have this same discussion over and over no matter who the QB is nor the HC is. It's always going to be somebody's fault that our 3 star OL could not block a 5 star DL and LB rather than understanding our lack of purchasing power.

When you get to that point, you begin to grasp how well this staff has done with what we have. We should not have been in the Tenn, Tx, TAMU, UF, nor Mizzou game at any point.


I love MSU! I will always watch til the end. But this constant blaming everybody except for THE issue is mind numbing.

This is the way.

[Dawgface]

So money issues caused Lebby to run a qb keeper 7 straight times(or however many) on the goal line?😂

[BlackSailsDawg]

So money issues caused Lebby to run a qb keeper 7 straight times(or however many) on the goal line?��

We did not do that. Thats been explained. Both Qbs made the same read where we have the numbers inside the box. That means more hats than they do and we could not block. At the same time, that means they put their numbers to defend pass. Those are RPOs.

But the reason they were not successful is due to the lack of talent on the Line. which is a money issue.

[CadaverDawg]

We did not do that. Thats been explained. Both Qbs made the same read where we have the numbers inside the box. That means more hats than they do and we could not block. At the same time, that means they put their numbers to defend pass. Those are RPOs.

But the reason they were not successful is due to the lack of talent on the Line. which is a money issue.

I was with you until this one. If you know your line sucks, and you know the P in the RPO won't have time, you call a different freaking play. You're the coach. 7 straight times you think the OL is going to magically get better on one of them? Nope. You lose me on that one.

[CaptainObvious]

Those of you who think we are going to take money given specifically for baseball and give it to football need to do one of two things. 1) Find a new football program to cheer for. 2) see number 1!

Yall can stop with your crapping on baseball too while you are looking for another school football program. It ain?t gonna change. Get over it! Sell your homes and cars and boats and kids and give it to the football program if you want. Otherwise accept that as long as State is IN THE SEC State will be a 5-7 team at best and a 2-10 team at worst. Some of us just ain?t got the money to pour into a program that even our administration fails to take seriously and go hire a winning head coach and pay them $8 to $10 million, and spend all the money earmarked for facility improvements on buying football players.

How much did they pay for the LED lighting to have 1 night game this year? Asinine!!!

[Cowbeller]

It will be easier to get donations when we have a coach that our fans like and believe in.

Maybe Lebby can still be that guy if he wins the Egg Bowl, but outside of that, he's a lame duck and we'll have someone new in 2027.

Hey thickskull thats what I am saying. We arent going to believe in any coach until we field the talent required to have said coach succeed

[Quaoarsking]

Hey thickskull thats what I am saying. We arent going to believe in any coach until we field the talent required to have said coach succeed

We had the talent to succeed this year. Lebby alone cost us wins against Florida and Texas by being a dumbass who wasn't ready for an SEC head coaching job.

Let me say it again: We had the talent to be a 7-5/8-4 type team this year. Maybe a little better if we had a really good coach. But because of Lebby we underachieved.

We got unexpectedly lucky that the schedule wasn't as bad as we thought, and we still likely don't even make a bowl. What happens next year if the luck switches and the schedule is actually harder than we think? That could easily happen with LSU and Auburn replacing their coaches, especially if Ole Miss and Vanderbilt are able to keep theirs.

[Cowbeller]

We had the talent to succeed this year. Lebby alone cost us wins against Florida and Texas by being a dumbass who wasn't ready for an SEC head coaching job.

Let me say it again: We had the talent to be a 7-5/8-4 type team this year. Maybe a little better if we had a really good coach. But because of Lebby we underachieved.

We got unexpectedly lucky that the schedule wasn't as bad as we thought, and we still likely don't even make a bowl. What happens next year if the luck switches and the schedule is actually harder than we think? That could easily happen with LSU and Auburn replacing their coaches, especially if Ole Miss and Vanderbilt are able to keep theirs.

You can scream it from the roof tops and it doesnt make it true. The worst O and D line in the league and you dont even need stats to prove it, regular eyeballs can tell you that.

[DownwardDawg]

According to Lebby in his post game interview.. he said the QB runs was part of their gameplan. Said they thought they could utilize it against Mizz defense. I get they are rpo plays. But if it doesn't work and clearly isn't working.. you can't keep going to it and expect a different outcome. That is my problem with Lebby. He literally kept trying,trying, and trying it. Roll the QB outside the pocket. Give it to a RB. Get in the I formation. Idc what he calls but QB draw, rpo, whatever it was... did not work and he literally kept rolling with it. Now I'm not a coach so I don't wanna sound like a know it all cause I'm not. But decisions have been questionable to say the least. I'm just aggravated. We definitely, definitely need more money tho. No argument from me there.

Lebby has ZERO in game situational awareness. None. He's the worst I've ever seen.

[DownwardDawg]

Leach would have won 8 games this season with the same money. Mullen would have won at least 7. Malzahn would have won at least 7. And the list goes on and on.

We have a coaching problem number one!!! The money would elevate that to 9 wins or more, but a good coach would have us winning and the money would flow.

[Quaoarsking]

You can scream it from the roof tops and it doesnt make it true. The worst O and D line in the league and you dont even need stats to prove it, regular eyeballs can tell you that.

I don't have to shout anything from the rooftops. Anyone who watched either of those games knows it to be true. We didn't lose to Florida or Texas because of talent, we lost because our coach was in over his head.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Those of you who think we are going to take money given specifically for baseball and give it to football need to do one of two things. 1) Find a new football program to cheer for. 2) see number 1!

Yall can stop with your crapping on baseball too while you are looking for another school football program. It ain?t gonna change. Get over it! Sell your homes and cars and boats and kids and give it to the football program if you want. Otherwise accept that as long as State is IN THE SEC State will be a 5-7 team at best and a 2-10 team at worst. Some of us just ain?t got the money to pour into a program that even our administration fails to take seriously and go hire a winning head coach and pay them $8 to $10 million, and spend all the money earmarked for facility improvements on buying football players.

How much did they pay for the LED lighting to have 1 night game this year? Asinine!!!

8 million is chump change. SMU is paying 4 million more than that.

[BlackSailsDawg]

We had the talent to succeed this year. Lebby alone cost us wins against Florida and Texas by being a dumbass who wasn't ready for an SEC head coaching job.

Let me say it again: We had the talent to be a 7-5/8-4 type team this year. Maybe a little better if we had a really good coach. But because of Lebby we underachieved.

We got unexpectedly lucky that the schedule wasn't as bad as we thought, and we still likely don't even make a bowl. What happens next year if the luck switches and the schedule is actually harder than we think? That could easily happen with LSU and Auburn replacing their coaches, especially if Ole Miss and Vanderbilt are able to keep theirs.

No we did not. We just luckily fail into being in those games? LMAO! What? 2 sides to the coin. He put us in position to win those games with lesser talent. TX leaned on their top recruited players to win at the end when our horses were tired. That's the difference in Roster showing up.

[BlackSailsDawg]

You can scream it from the roof tops and it doesnt make it true. The worst O and D line in the league and you dont even need stats to prove it, regular eyeballs can tell you that.

Winner winner!

Love how some people think all things are equal. They seem to truly think that a 3 star OL is as good and should be equal to a 5 star DE. Why even have rankings? Hell they are all the same. I watch Lewis get juked out of position a lot leaving the QB blind sided.

[Quaoarsking]

Winner winner!

Love how some people think all things are equal. They seem to truly think that a 3 star OL is as good and should be equal to a 5 star DE. Why even have rankings? Hell they are all the same. I watch Lewis get juked out of position a lot leaving the QB blind sided.

Literally no one is saying anything resembling this. The Lebby Hive Mind has become completely out of touch with reality as far as what the arguments against him are. We all know that there is a talent gap that we may never be able to overcome. That's why it's so important to have a coach who can scrape out every win we have a chance at, because some games (such as A&M and Georgia this year) we'll be so outmatched and have almost no chance. No one is holding those 2 games against Lebby.

Despite being full of "talent" (or what was perceived to be talent in the offseason), 3-9 Florida was a winnable game, and our team, OL and DL included, played well enough to win, but Lebby's coaching let us down. Texas (overrated all year with an overhyped and overpaid QB) was also a game where they played well enough to win, but somehow Lebby neglected to run clock. Anyone who watched those games knows that they're all on Lebby and his coaching.

[BankerDog]

There's no way possible he's been here the entire year and only knows 1/3 of the playbook. It's not rocket science and you have the coach in your helmet for an extended period of time.

Lebby has 90 plays. Shapen and Taylor know all 84. Luke knows like 30. Leb doesn?t trust KT because in the Florida game, he called three RPOs that had guys open and KT ran it instead.

[Dawgface]

We did not do that. Thats been explained. Both Qbs made the same read where we have the numbers inside the box. That means more hats than they do and we could not block. At the same time, that means they put their numbers to defend pass. Those are RPOs.

But the reason they were not successful is due to the lack of talent on the Line. which is a money issue.

Well that doesn’t say much for our coaches to continue to allow the same crap to happen. A half way smart coach will override something that is not working.

[BankerDog]

Those of you who think we are going to take money given specifically for baseball and give it to football need to do one of two things. 1) Find a new football program to cheer for. 2) see number 1!

Yall can stop with your crapping on baseball too while you are looking for another school football program. It ain?t gonna change. Get over it! Sell your homes and cars and boats and kids and give it to the football program if you want. Otherwise accept that as long as State is IN THE SEC State will be a 5-7 team at best and a 2-10 team at worst. Some of us just ain?t got the money to pour into a program that even our administration fails to take seriously and go hire a winning head coach and pay them $8 to $10 million, and spend all the money earmarked for facility improvements on buying football players.

How much did they pay for the LED lighting to have 1 night game this year? Asinine!!!

Half of this board was bitching about how we didn?t have LED lights last year.

But yeah keep funding that baseball program and stadium. Gonna look real nice in the Sun Belt in a few years!

[BlackSailsDawg]

Literally no one is saying anything resembling this. The Lebby Hive Mind has become completely out of touch with reality as far as what the arguments against him are. We all know that there is a talent gap that we may never be able to overcome. That's why it's so important to have a coach who can scrape out every win we have a chance at, because some games (such as A&M and Georgia this year) we'll be so outmatched and have almost no chance. No one is holding those 2 games against Lebby.

Despite being full of "talent" (or what was perceived to be talent in the offseason), 3-9 Florida was a winnable game, and our team, OL and DL included, played well enough to win, but Lebby's coaching let us down. Texas (overrated all year with an overhyped and overpaid QB) was also a game where they played well enough to win, but somehow Lebby neglected to run clock. Anyone who watched those games knows that they're all on Lebby and his coaching.

Here we go. "Hive Mind!" "You are a CULTIST!!!!! OMG !!!!"


- No. We will not do anything about the talent gap because we demand everything else in attempts to fix it other than fixing the issue.

- no.. They didn't play well enough. They exceeded their abilities and you can only do that so much and for so long.

I said this in the OP and now will say it in a different way.

There is no super secret perfect coach. Not even SABAN was perfect in his coaching. If he was they would have never lost. There are no perfect players, not even 5 star guys. They just have a higher ceiling and capabilities that make them better. Lane Kiffin made the same coaching choices as Lebby. Other coaches have too. The issue happens when you don't have the talent to over come those choices. That doesn't mean it was a bad choice, it just means your 3 star f'd up at a higher rate than the 5 star across from him did.

And to push this conversation more so into reality, Arkansas will join the ranks of those teams spending 40 million or more. They already have the people backing them. Now you tell me. What roster is going to win out more often than not. A 40 million roster of a 15 million roster?

[BlackSailsDawg]

Well that doesn’t say much for our coaches to continue to allow the same crap to happen. A half way smart coach will override something that is not working.

So what did you want to take place there?

[Dawgology]

Our fans don't really care for football. We have proved it over and over.

Exactly. Our fan base would rather spend money on baseball. It is shortsighted but that is MSU in a nutshell. Shortsighted.

With that said I disagree 100% with the OP. We have a coaching issue. Run the ball. Kick the field goal. Go to a bowl game. That?s all he had to do to win over the fanbase this season but he stuck to ?his philosophy? because that the team identity or whatever. That?s fine. The team will enjoy their identity at home during bowl season, NIL funds will dry up, and Lebby will be looking for a job in December of 2026. You can?t stop stupid.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Exactly. Our fan base would rather spend money on baseball. It is shortsighted but that is MSU in a nutshell. Shortsighted.

With that said I disagree 100% with the OP. We have a coaching issue. Run the ball. Kick the field goal. Go to a bowl game. That?s all he had to do to win over the fanbase this season but he stuck to ?his philosophy? because that the team identity or whatever. That?s fine. The team will enjoy their identity at home during bowl season, NIL funds will dry up, and Lebby will be looking for a job in December of 2026. You can?t stop stupid.

Yeah but that's all speculation on your part. You don't know if the run would have resulted in a TFL, Gain, Fumble. We don't even know if he makes the FG, he has missed this season. Heck, we don't even know if the long snapper gets it to the holder. But the call Lebby made, the odds are majorly in favor of the pass being incomplete or completed vs an INT.

Nothing wrong with the call, the execution was not good.

[Maroon Glasses]

Yeah but that's all speculation on your part. You don't know if the run would have resulted in a TFL, Gain, Fumble. We don't even know if he makes the FG, he has missed this season. Heck, we don't even know if the long snapper gets it to the holder. But the call Lebby made, the odds are majorly in favor of the pass being incomplete or completed vs an INT.

Nothing wrong with the call, the execution was not good.

It is speculation. But what isn't speculation now is that he made the wrong decisions. Because of those decisions we are in the position we are now. You have said we dont have the talent to execute so why run the riskiest play of all of them? It's really no point in arguing because everyone is going to stick to what they believe. I believe from previous coaching decisions and results of those coaching decisions that he isn't the man for the job. We need players. We need money. For me personally.. I will no longer invest my hard earned money to a product that is obviously headed toward bankruptcy. That will be dumb on my part. The money that was raised has been invested and there is no arguing we are better than we was last year. But instead of being an 8 win team.. we are a 5 win team. In my eyes not because of talent but because of coaching. I will get criticized for this but that's completely okay

[Dawgology]

Yeah but that's all speculation on your part. You don't know if the run would have resulted in a TFL, Gain, Fumble. We don't even know if he makes the FG, he has missed this season. Heck, we don't even know if the long snapper gets it to the holder. But the call Lebby made, the odds are majorly in favor of the pass being incomplete or completed vs an INT.

Nothing wrong with the call, the execution was not good.

Booth was averaging 4.8 yards per carry and had been gashing them the entire last quarter. It was an incredibly dumb coaching decision. It was a dumb call in a season full of dumb calls. Just like the 7 straight QB sneaks in a row last night that that announcers were laughing about. You run the ball. You kick the field goal. If you miss the field goal at least you don’t look like an idiot trying to throw the ball with time expiring in field goal range. Most everyone on here would have been sad but fine with a missed field goal because it’s the 100% correct call there. I could get behind you in some things in your attenpt to defend Lebby across multiple threads on this board but this attempt reveals that you probably don’t know what you are talking about.

[HancockCountyDog]

We are having to pinch pennies unlike Ole Miss or most on our schedule. An example is Hardy. You the guy that ran all over us last night? We had to pass on him due to money. We went with option 2 to save money to be able to spend elsewhere.

I see so much jealously of Ole Miss on here without the understanding. Lane Kiffin does exactly what you are complaining that Lebby does. Lane went for it on 4th inside his own 20 on the road vs OU this season. He did it verses Bama 2 years ago. In fact he lost that game. The OU game this year, he had the talent to make up for it.

This isn't a poor ole state. It's a simple truth and it is what it is. Until we get way more money in NIL we are going to have this same discussion over and over no matter who the QB is nor the HC is. It's always going to be somebody's fault that our 3 star OL could not block a 5 star DL and LB rather than understanding our lack of purchasing power.

When you get to that point, you begin to grasp how well this staff has done with what we have. We should not have been in the Tenn, Tx, TAMU, UF, nor Mizzou game at any point.


I love MSU! I will always watch til the end. But this constant blaming everybody except for THE issue is mind numbing.

I have it on great authority that we picked Fluff over Hardy. The difference between the two isn't a big deal.

In fact, I've been told that our 3rd string QB from FSU is making more than 90% of the team.

Its not a money problem - its an allocation problem.

[BlackSailsDawg]

It is speculation. But what isn't speculation now is that he made the wrong decisions. Because of those decisions we are in the position we are now. You have said we dont have the talent to execute so why run the riskiest play of all of them? It's really no point in arguing because everyone is going to stick to what they believe. I believe from previous coaching decisions and results of those coaching decisions that he isn't the man for the job. We need players. We need money. For me personally.. I will no longer invest my hard earned money to a product that is obviously headed toward bankruptcy. That will be dumb on my part. The money that was raised has been invested and there is no arguing we are better than we was last year. But instead of being an 8 win team.. we are a 5 win team. In my eyes not because of talent but because of coaching. I will get criticized for this but that's completely okay

Some what correct. We do not have the OL talent to execute on a high level, which is why our QBS are being sacked 1 time out of 8 attempts. I'm not sure what riskiest play you are referring to. If it's passing vs running at the end of the UF game, I see nothing wrong with the call. I see everything wrong with the execution of it.

Personally, I would have ran it, but that's me.

[HancockCountyDog]

What about us spending big money on players like Kro-Hawk, Stonka, and Deonte Anderson. I can go on and on. We have spent tons of money on kids that are not performing at all. That isn't on the fans.

[CadaverDawg]

Lebby has 90 plays. Shapen and Taylor know all 84. Luke knows like 30. Leb doesn?t trust KT because in the Florida game, he called three RPOs that had guys open and KT ran it instead.

I know this may sound silly, but I have an idea....

Stop giving the freshman an option and just call the F'ing pass in the RPO route! Mind blowing, I know.

I mean, these coaches kill me. You get paid millions a year, and your excuse is that a freshman can't also play Offensive Coordinator mid play, so the more talented guy doesn't see the field??! Are you kidding me?! Lebby, you're the coach, want the kid to run a specific play, CALL IT. Am I living in the twilight zone here, what are we doing?

That's like me telling my child, you have the option today to do one of 3 chores....1. Clean the toilets, 2. Turn off your room lights, 3. Keep the front door shut......and wondering why the toilets never get cleaned. Take away the easier options and the more beneficial one will get done. These coaches expect these QB's to be de facto OC's and we wonder why none of them can play at State until they're Juniors or transfer out. Do your f'ing job, Coach....and if Taylor or any other QB isn't capable of doing what you need....well, you recruited them, so that's on you too.

[Quaoarsking]

Yeah but that's all speculation on your part. You don't know if the run would have resulted in a TFL, Gain, Fumble. We don't even know if he makes the FG, he has missed this season. Heck, we don't even know if the long snapper gets it to the holder. But the call Lebby made, the odds are majorly in favor of the pass being incomplete or completed vs an INT.

Nothing wrong with the call, the execution was not good.

If Lebby had lined up and kicked the FG from there and missed it, he wouldn't have gotten nearly the negative response from fans as he actually got. We are capable of seeing nuance.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Booth was averaging 4.8 yards per carry and had been gashing them the entire last quarter. It was an incredibly dumb coaching decision. It was a dumb call in a season full of dumb calls. Just like the 7 straight QB sneaks in a row last night that that announcers were laughing about. You run the ball. You kick the field goal. If you miss the field goal at least you don’t look like an idiot trying to throw the ball with time expiring in field goal range. Most everyone on here would have been sad but fine with a missed field goal because it’s the 100% correct call there. I could get behind you in some things in your attenpt to defend Lebby across multiple threads on this board but this attempt reveals that you probably don’t know what you are talking about.

So you are saying that the execution of the passing play was good? Like I said. Todays game has changed. Analytics ...old school people hate them because it's not what they were raised on. But we are over 50% in those plays based off that. Like I said, I am old school in many ways. I'm good with running it there to try to set up the FG kicker.

[BlackSailsDawg]

I have it on great authority that we picked Fluff over Hardy. The difference between the two isn't a big deal.

In fact, I've been told that our 3rd string QB from FSU is making more than 90% of the team.

Its not a money problem - its an allocation problem.

Nope

[BlackSailsDawg]

If Lebby had lined up and kicked the FG from there and missed it, he wouldn't have gotten nearly the negative response from fans as he actually got. We are capable of seeing nuance.

Because that is what we are use to. But modern coaches go by a different mindset based on analytics. If Kiffin were our coach, he would do the same thing even with this Roster.

[Quaoarsking]

Because that is what we are use to. But modern coaches go by a different mindset based on analytics. If Kiffin were our coach, he would do the same thing even with this Roster.

Lebby is not using analytics to drive his decisions. Too many obvious counterexamples. He's using his personal feelings to drive his calls, and it's not working out for us.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Lebby is not using analytics to drive his decisions. Too many obvious counterexamples. He's using his personal feelings to drive his calls, and it's not working out for us.

LOL! Ok. We will never be more than what we are now due to the mindset of fans. We will destroy anything being build because we know better. It will always be play the back up and we have to fire the coach regardless of actual issues.

And with that, I am out

[DEDawg]

The idea that no one on here understands we are in a bad money position and just jealous of Ole Miss is hysterically out-of-touch. We all get it.

We need a coach who can win despite the financial disadvantages. Even if Lebby could hypothetically be a good coach at a richer school (which I doubt), he doesn't appear to be the right coach for us.

You?re asking for the impossible. It?s the same as saying I want a Lambo on a McDonalds cashier salary and if I work hard enough for it I can do it. It?s a senseless take.

[DEDawg]

How do we get more money?

Are Ole Miss boosters that much wealthier than MSU boosters?

Are we just not as committed as Ole Miss?
Just see this board. The most committed MSU fans who spend time posting on forums wont even donate because they think it?s bad morals or something dumb

[Maroon Glasses]

Just see this board. The most committed MSU fans who spend time posting on forums wont even donate because they think it?s bad morals or something dumb

Honest question... would you invest in a stock that you have seen people invest money into and the product just sits on the shelf? Would you invest in same product if the CEO was a first time CEO and he cost the company millions of dollars by decisions he made? Because companies are suppose to be profitable, right? If not, they go under.

The players we paid the most for sit on the bench. And our coach has made multiple decisions that lost us the game.

[Maverick91]

So you are saying that the execution of the passing play was good? Like I said. Today's game has changed. Analytics ...old school people hate them because it's not what they were raised on. But we are over 50% in those plays based off that. Like I said, I am old school in many ways. I'm good with running it there to try to set up the FG kicker.

Analytics will never win over football logic and game feel. That crap goes out the window fame by game because each freaking game is different.

[Quaoarsking]

LOL! Ok. We will never be more than what we are now due to the mindset of fans. We will destroy anything being build because we know better. It will always be play the back up and we have to fire the coach regardless of actual issues.

And with that, I am out

Lebby hasn't built anything that could be destroyed...

[DEDawg]

Honest question... would you invest in a stock that you have seen people invest money into and the product just sits on the shelf? Would you invest in same product if the CEO was a first time CEO and he cost the company millions of dollars by decisions he made? Because companies are suppose to be profitable, right? If not, they go under.

The players we paid the most for sit on the bench. And our coach has made multiple decisions that lost us the game.

Of course I wouldn't. That's also not even remotely a good comparison.

[Maroon Glasses]

Of course I wouldn't. That's also not even remotely a good comparison.

Why do you say that? We are investing our money in this. So how is it not the same? Show me how you would compare this topic cause I'm willing to see yoir side.

[DownwardDawg]

I know this may sound silly, but I have an idea....

Stop giving the freshman an option and just call the F'ing pass in the RPO route! Mind blowing, I know.

I mean, these coaches kill me. You get paid millions a year, and your excuse is that a freshman can't also play Offensive Coordinator mid play, so the more talented guy doesn't see the field??! Are you kidding me?! Lebby, you're the coach, want the kid to run a specific play, CALL IT. Am I living in the twilight zone here, what are we doing?

That's like me telling my child, you have the option today to do one of 3 chores....1. Clean the toilets, 2. Turn off your room lights, 3. Keep the front door shut......and wondering why the toilets never get cleaned. Take away the easier options and the more beneficial one will get done. These coaches expect these QB's to be de facto OC's and we wonder why none of them can play at State until they're Juniors or transfer out. Do your f'ing job, Coach....and if Taylor or any other QB isn't capable of doing what you need....well, you recruited them, so that's on you too.

Man this post makes way too much sense.

[Cowbeller]

It is speculation. But what isn't speculation now is that he made the wrong decisions. Because of those decisions we are in the position we are now. You have said we dont have the talent to execute so why run the riskiest play of all of them? It's really no point in arguing because everyone is going to stick to what they believe. I believe from previous coaching decisions and results of those coaching decisions that he isn't the man for the job. We need players. We need money. For me personally.. I will no longer invest my hard earned money to a product that is obviously headed toward bankruptcy. That will be dumb on my part. The money that was raised has been invested and there is no arguing we are better than we was last year. But instead of being an 8 win team.. we are a 5 win team. In my eyes not because of talent but because of coaching. I will get criticized for this but that's completely okay

Then get off the board and take your talents to AMC or the local park. Obviously this is a source of entertainment for you that youll do everything but commit to

[Cowbeller]

Honest question... would you invest in a stock that you have seen people invest money into and the product just sits on the shelf? Would you invest in same product if the CEO was a first time CEO and he cost the company millions of dollars by decisions he made? Because companies are suppose to be profitable, right? If not, they go under.

The players we paid the most for sit on the bench. And our coach has made multiple decisions that lost us the game.

It?s not a stock. Its a football team

[Maroon Glasses]

Then get off the board and take your talents to AMC or the local park. Obviously this is a source of entertainment for you that youll do everything but commit to

Thank God for freedom of choice and speech or I would have to be really worried about you. So I think I'll stay and continue to comment on a public forum where.. guess what... you comment on things and voice your opinion on whatever that topic may be at the time. It really bothers me that I'm not committed as you. Maybe you can get a statue??

Alsoooo. You're obviously very committed. Can you maybe contact some of the former and current NFL guys that played at State and ask them for a few bucks? They might can donate a little more than I can. Probably not as much as you tho.

[Maroon Glasses]

It?s not a stock. Its a football team

You might be the smartest guy on this board. Replace the word "stock" with "football team", "product" with "bench", "CEO" with "coach" , "companies" with "university", and then answer the question.

[DEDawg]

Why do you say that? We are investing our money in this. So how is it not the same? Show me how you would compare this topic cause I'm willing to see yoir side.

You aren?t purchasing an item for future value. It?s a commodity if anything but that is still a bad example. You need X dollars of players to field a team capable of doing the things we want and that churns every single year in the current landscape. I dont like the corporate analogy because it isnt really the same thing.

A CEO can take as much debt as they want out to create leverage and prop up a product to succeed 5 years down the line. Companies operate in the red for years before turning a profit all the time. There is no getting a loan for Lebby he can work only with what is given. There is no operating at a loss for 5 years because you would be fired after year 3. Sure you can say he is the CEO of the football team but that?s about as far I would say you can make that analogy.

[Cowbeller]

Thank God for freedom of choice and speech or I would have to be really worried about you. So I think I'll stay and continue to comment on a public forum where.. guess what... you comment on things and voice your opinion on whatever that topic may be at the time. It really bothers me that I'm not committed as you. Maybe you can get a statue??

Alsoooo. You're obviously very committed. Can you maybe contact some of the former and current NFL guys that played at State and ask them for a few bucks? They might can donate a little more than I can. Probably not as much as you tho.

It?s always these guys that say get someone else to do while I sit in the arm chair and complain. I told you go on dont watch and ill use my free speech to tell you to not let the door hit you on the way out so we can quit hearing you b*tch

[Cowbeller]

You aren?t purchasing an item for future value. It?s a commodity if anything but that is still a bad example. You need X dollars of players to field a team capable of doing the things we want and that churns every single year in the current landscape. I dont like the corporate analogy because it isnt really the same thing.

A CEO can take as much debt as they want out to create leverage and prop up a product to succeed 5 years down the line. Companies operate in the red for years before turning a profit all the time. There is no getting a loan for Lebby he can work only with what is given. There is no operating at a loss for 5 years because you would be fired after year 3. Sure you can say he is the CEO of the football team but that?s about as far I would say you can make that analogy.

Thank you. It is quite hilarious seeing all these guys act like they have this magical equation to winning when the simple answer is right there. A couple big donors arent going to put us over the edge it takes complete and total buy in from all of the fanbase and it might not be immediate either

[msstate7]

You aren?t purchasing an item for future value. It?s a commodity if anything but that is still a bad example. You need X dollars of players to field a team capable of doing the things we want and that churns every single year in the current landscape. I dont like the corporate analogy because it isnt really the same thing.

A CEO can take as much debt as they want out to create leverage and prop up a product to succeed 5 years down the line. Companies operate in the red for years before turning a profit all the time. There is no getting a loan for Lebby he can work only with what is given. There is no operating at a loss for 5 years because you would be fired after year 3. Sure you can say he is the CEO of the football team but that?s about as far I would say you can make that analogy.

Are you operating in the red to give to state?

[Maroon Glasses]

You aren?t purchasing an item for future value. It?s a commodity if anything but that is still a bad example. You need X dollars of players to field a team capable of doing the things we want and that churns every single year in the current landscape. I dont like the corporate analogy because it isnt really the same thing.

A CEO can take as much debt as they want out to create leverage and prop up a product to succeed 5 years down the line. Companies operate in the red for years before turning a profit all the time. There is no getting a loan for Lebby he can work only with what is given. There is no operating at a loss for 5 years because you would be fired after year 3. Sure you can say he is the CEO of the football team but that?s about as far I would say you can make that analogy.

I see what you're saying.. that's just how I think of it in my mind. I understand it's not an investment or business venture. I didn't think it would be perceived with this much thought process into it lol you're correct tho

[Maroon Glasses]

It?s always these guys that say get someone else to do while I sit in the arm chair and complain. I told you go on dont watch and ill use my free speech to tell you to not let the door hit you on the way out so we can quit hearing you b*tch

Well man I really hate to tell you this.. but I ain't going anywhere. Hang tight my man.. misery doesn't last forever. It will pass

[DEDawg]

Are you operating in the red to give to state?

My mental health sure as hell is

[DEDawg]

I see what you're saying.. that's just how I think of it in my mind. I understand it's not an investment or business venture. I didn't think it would be perceived with this much thought process into it lol you're correct tho

Yeah sorry it?s my line of work so how I equate things. We need cash to be where we want to be, plain and simple.

[Maroon Glasses]

Thank you. It is quite hilarious seeing all these guys act like they have this magical equation to winning when the simple answer is right there. A couple big donors arent going to put us over the edge it takes complete and total buy in from all of the fanbase and it might not be immediate either

Have you let anyone else know about this simple answer besides some posters on ED?

[Maroon Glasses]

Yeah sorry it?s my line of work so how I equate things. We need cash to be where we want to be, plain and simple.

Man I knew it was your line of work when I started reading it. no need for apologies. It's just a conversation and you taught me to leave business examples out of message boards so thank you lol

[msstate7]

My mental health sure as hell is

Haha, we all are. Why we love something that causes us such grief is so strange

[Maroon Glasses]

Haha, we all are. Why we love something that causes us such grief is so strange

It's gotta be some kinda psysop, right? Surely we aren't willingly doing this.

[Cowbeller]

Have you let anyone else know about this simple answer besides some posters on ED?

I told your mom the other night. She donated

[msstate7]

It's gotta be some kinda psysop, right? Surely we aren't willingly doing this.

Should be a case study

[Goldendawg]

We are having to pinch pennies unlike Ole Miss or most on our schedule. An example is Hardy. You the guy that ran all over us last night? We had to pass on him due to money. We went with option 2 to save money to be able to spend elsewhere.

I see so much jealously of Ole Miss on here without the understanding. Lane Kiffin does exactly what you are complaining that Lebby does. Lane went for it on 4th inside his own 20 on the road vs OU this season. He did it verses Bama 2 years ago. In fact he lost that game. The OU game this year, he had the talent to make up for it.

This isn't a poor ole state. It's a simple truth and it is what it is. Until we get way more money in NIL we are going to have this same discussion over and over no matter who the QB is nor the HC is. It's always going to be somebody's fault that our 3 star OL could not block a 5 star DL and LB rather than understanding our lack of purchasing power.

When you get to that point, you begin to grasp how well this staff has done with what we have. We should not have been in the Tenn, Tx, TAMU, UF, nor Mizzou game at any point.


I love MSU! I will always watch til the end. But this constant blaming everybody except for THE issue is mind numbing.

I disagree. Lebby is at this point a big question mark in our long line of hiring assistant coaches who were by no means ready to be a HC. His stubborn poor decisions have cost us at least three games.

[Goldendawg]

I'm not arguing we don't have a money problem.. of course we do. But money problems has nothing to do with Lebby's coaching decisions last night and previous games this year. We can argue his play calling was because of lack of personal, sure. Get creative. COACH like you're paid to do. If money shortage played a part in deciding to pass against Florida, punt to Texas, and run 8 straight QB draws against Mizz then I really dont understand this game called football. And that is just a fraction of a fraction of questionable coaching decisions this year.

Agree with you we need more money and better players. But last night 1000% got me off the Lebby train. In game decisions have killed this season..
I agree. As per money, Google the net worth of Dickie Scruggs, just one of Ole Miss's supporters who is all in.

[Goldendawg]

Anyone paying attention can tell we have improved from last year to this one. We are playing harder and are in games which is a credit to Lebby and staff.

However,

Not money, not facilities, not (insert whatever other excuse you want). The reason we lost the Tennessee, Florida, and Texas games are Lebby and Lebby alone. His play calling- specifically going for it over and over on 4th down on our own side of the field have been the difference. That is COMPLETELY on him. As a coach you have to have some feel for the game, and he apparently does not. I never bought into the line of "He's young and learning how to win". Going for it on our own 36 against Texas was maybe the dumbest call I have ever seen. He shows no remorse for it and generally blames the players for his own mistakes. He is about to lose this locker room. We are in positions to win and he takes away our chances.

I am generally never in favor of firing a coach after 2 years but he has proved to me things arent going to change.

He will get year 3, but I see no way we can put up with a third year similar to these two, especially if Ole Miss puts up about 50 on us the day after Thanksgiving.

[Homedawg]

I have it on great authority that we picked Fluff over Hardy. The difference between the two isn't a big deal.

In fact, I've been told that our 3rd string QB from FSU is making more than 90% of the team.

Its not a money problem - its an allocation problem.
We picked fluff over hardy bc hardy cost 3 times more. Thats not on good Authority, it's a fact. And considering our needs which clearly were multiple it wasn't wrong

[Homedawg]

What about us spending big money on players like Kro-Hawk, Stonka, and Deonte Anderson. I can go on and on. We have spent tons of money on kids that are not performing at all. That isn't on the fans.

We don't have big money in stonka or Anderson. Might be more than you would have paid but it's not big money.

[Maroon Glasses]

I told your mom the other night. She donated

Did you know a recent study shows that adults (assuming you're one) that use 'your mom" lines online typically have poor relationships at home and usually feel the need of showing dominance online due to not having any relationships in real life? I'm factuated with case studies and find them intriguing. Anyways.. I don't believe you.

[Maroon Glasses]

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I agree. As per money, Google the net worth of Dickie Scruggs, just one of Ole Miss's supporters who is all in.

Jeeeeesh. Billion with a capital B. Must be nice

[CadaverDawg]

Imagine being a Billionaire and spending your hard earned cash on high school and college kids so you can try to buy your college team relevance.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the amount of money these rich bastards are throwing at college football players. It's as if they want to be known as the reason their team succeeded. It's the most selfishly unselfish waste of money I've ever seen. And I hope we have some folks that are just as dumb, bc I ain't got billions with a B, millions with a M, or even many thousands with a T! Haha

[Maroon Glasses]

Imagine being a Billionaire and spending your hard earned cash on high school and college kids so you can try to buy your college team relevance.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the amount of money these rich bastards are throwing at college football players. It's as if they want to be known as the reason their team succeeded. It's the most selfishly unselfish waste of money I've ever seen. And I hope we have some folks that are just as dumb, bc I ain't got billions with a B, millions with a M, or even many thousands with a T! Haha

Lol! Me either man. Great post and I agree with you. It blows my mind too. I am sure there is a way that they are able to profit from it somehow or pay less taxes on their billions. People can fuss at me, tell me to leave the board, call me uncommitted, whatever tf they wanna say. I am not throwing my hard earned cash that I bust my ass for toward a football team that may or may not win 6 games. And I am still gonna complain and b!tch when I feel like it's deserving! Lol

[LC Dawg]

We picked fluff over hardy bc hardy cost 3 times more. Thats not on good Authority, it's a fact. And considering our needs which clearly were multiple it wasn't wrong

There was a time that we took kids like Hardy out of high school and were successful doing it. I understand that it's a different era but every good player doesn't have to come from the portal. Especially players from Mississippi.

[CadaverDawg]

Lol! Me either man. Great post and I agree with you. It blows my mind too. I am sure there is a way that they are able to profit from it somehow or pay less taxes on their billions. People can fuss at me, tell me to leave the board, call me uncommitted, whatever tf they wanna say. I am not throwing my hard earned cash that I bust my ass for toward a football team that may or may not win 6 games. And I am still gonna complain and b!tch when I feel like it's deserving! Lol

Hear here, buddy. Hear freaking here

[Coach34]

We picked fluff over hardy bc hardy cost 3 times more. Thats not on good Authority, it's a fact. And considering our needs which clearly were multiple it wasn't wrong

and this is what apparently our fans have no idea about. Mississippi's roster is easily 8-10MM more than ours. You get what you pay for

[Goldendawg]

There was a time that we took kids like Hardy out of high school and were successful doing it. I understand that it's a different era but every good player doesn't have to come from the portal. Especially players from Mississippi.

You better hope that the decisions made in recruiting by our staff in our currently #49 nationally ranked 2026 high school/JC commitments are better than some of our in-game coaching calls this season. Both in-state and out-of-state offer sheets are very questionable for the majority of these 22 players. Some here say that high school recruiting doesn't matter anymore in this portal world. BTW, we didn't do such a great job of evaluations in the recent OL/DL signings it appears.

It seems 48 teams ahead of us and more that are set to pass us seem to think high school recruiting is still important. Have you checked the ranking of our 'improved defense" year to date? It seems to have fallen to about last in the conference after that 4-0 OOC start. Who scheduled all these SEC games?***

[Cowbeller]

Did you know a recent study shows that adults (assuming you're one) that use 'your mom" lines online typically have poor relationships at home and usually feel the need of showing dominance online due to not having any relationships in real life? I'm factuated with case studies and find them intriguing. Anyways.. I don't believe you.

Might be reading into this one too much to make up a study

[Cowbeller]

Lol! Me either man. Great post and I agree with you. It blows my mind too. I am sure there is a way that they are able to profit from it somehow or pay less taxes on their billions. People can fuss at me, tell me to leave the board, call me uncommitted, whatever tf they wanna say. I am not throwing my hard earned cash that I bust my ass for toward a football team that may or may not win 6 games. And I am still gonna complain and b!tch when I feel like it's deserving! Lol

You are the prime example of why we cant make progress. All bark and when it comes to bite it is someone elses problem.

[confucius say]

and this is what apparently our fans have no idea about. Mississippi's roster is easily 8-10MM more than ours. You get what you pay for

How much did we spend on our roster this year?

[BlackSailsDawg]

Honest question... would you invest in a stock that you have seen people invest money into and the product just sits on the shelf? Would you invest in same product if the CEO was a first time CEO and he cost the company millions of dollars by decisions he made? Because companies are suppose to be profitable, right? If not, they go under.

The players we paid the most for sit on the bench. And our coach has made multiple decisions that lost us the game.


Straight up horrible hypo.

It's more akin to investing into a business as a new investor. And no business will thrive without investment. Most people who own businesses understand the return on money takes a few years too. The top reason why a new business fails is lack of needed capital. My wife opened a business and did not take pay for 2 years.

And to the point of investing, yes. Every day people invest into start ups and companies that have issues.

[Maroon Glasses]

Straight up horrible hypo.

It's more akin to investing into a business as a new investor. And no business will thrive without investment. Most people who own businesses understand the return on money takes a few years too. My wife opened a business and did not take pay for 2 years.

And to the point of investing, yes. Every day people invest into start ups and companies that have issues.

Yeah man.. DEdog gave me a lesson on business and all that. Lol. I've learned not to use my thought process in business form while talking about football. Lol

[BlackSailsDawg]

Imagine being a Billionaire and spending your hard earned cash on high school and college kids so you can try to buy your college team relevance.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the amount of money these rich bastards are throwing at college football players. It's as if they want to be known as the reason their team succeeded. It's the most selfishly unselfish waste of money I've ever seen. And I hope we have some folks that are just as dumb, bc I ain't got billions with a B, millions with a M, or even many thousands with a T! Haha

That's funny! Yeah, I hate the world of NCAA that we live in now. but it's not ever going to change.

[Coach34]

How much did we spend on our roster this year?

$15MM- bottom of the SEC except maybe Kentucky

[Maroon Glasses]

You are the prime example of why we cant make progress. All bark and when it comes to bite it is someone elses problem.

I'm sorry you feel that way, Cowbeller guy.

[BlackSailsDawg]

and this is what apparently our fans have no idea about. Mississippi's roster is easily 8-10MM more than ours. You get what you pay for

And it's rapidly getting worse. Arkansas has raised 40 million.

[msstate7]

and this is what apparently our fans have no idea about. Mississippi's roster is easily 8-10MM more than ours. You get what you pay for

Their coach is 8-10x better than ours too

[msstate7]

If the money situation is as dire as being said here, then our only choice will be to do the triple option or something. If you don't have the funds that other teams have, you can't try to run similar offenses as them.

[msstate7]

It's insane to me that these teams cost this much when the product is steadily declining every year.

[Cowbeller]

If the money situation is as dire as being said here, then our only choice will be to do the triple option or something. If you don't have the funds that other teams have, you can't try to run similar offenses as them.

You got to be kidding me. No that is not the answer, it’s donating. Tell everyone you know twice.

[msstate7]

You got to be kidding me. No that is not the answer, it’s donating. Tell everyone you know twice.

Sure, donate more. I give what I can, but I'd rather travel with my family with most by disposable income.

[BrunswickDawg]

Sure, donate more. I give what I can, but I'd rather travel with my family with most by disposable income.

Drink made a comment either in pre-game or post game about the NIL situation at Mizzou. He basically praised how far they've come - but then said "We have to get our Fortune 500 companies in this state to buy in. Not a one of them even advertises in this stadium." There are 8 F500's HQ'd in MO - best known by name are Edward Jones and O'Reilly Auto Parts. MS has none. Look at the schools with big NILs and almost to a T they have big corporate support. We have the auto dealer in DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE!!!!
We aren't playing in the same world.

[Maroon Glasses]

It's insane to me that these teams cost this much when the product is steadily declining every year.

Agreed bro. It needs to be a case study.

[Maroon Glasses]

Drink made a comment either in pre-game or post game about the NIL situation at Mizzou. He basically praised how far they've come - but then said "We have to get our Fortune 500 companies in this state to buy in. Not a one of them even advertises in this stadium." There are 8 F500's HQ'd in MO - best known by name are Edward Jones and O'Reilly Auto Parts. MS has none. Look at the schools with big NILs and almost to a T they have big corporate support. We have the auto dealer in DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE!!!!
We aren't playing in the same world.

No we ain't man.. and every year its going to be more, more, more.

[msstate7]

No we ain't man.. and every year its going to be more, more, more.

At some point, someone will say no, and then more will follow. This won't continue like this

[Maroon Glasses]

At some point, someone will say no, and then more will follow. This won't continue like this

Agreed. I don't see how it can continue like this. Maybe it does when you have billionaires giving 12 mill to one player. Wild times man. Just another way for the rich to flex their status.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Drink made a comment either in pre-game or post game about the NIL situation at Mizzou. He basically praised how far they've come - but then said "We have to get our Fortune 500 companies in this state to buy in. Not a one of them even advertises in this stadium." There are 8 F500's HQ'd in MO - best known by name are Edward Jones and O'Reilly Auto Parts. MS has none. Look at the schools with big NILs and almost to a T they have big corporate support. We have the auto dealer in DOWNTOWN LOUISVILLE!!!!
We aren't playing in the same world.

Well the thing is, that starts at the statewide level. The state of MS has to start attracting more businesses. I do know this for a fact, if OM loses Kiffin, it will cause some state lawmakers to start pushing for that. Because that is something Florida is pushing right now.

Also, the fact that Dutch McCool literally founded Holiday Inn and we can't get a corporate sponsorship from them for our field is ludicrous.

[BrunswickDawg]

Well the thing is, that starts at the statewide level. The state of MS has to start attracting more businesses. I do know this for a fact, if OM loses Kiffin, it will cause some state lawmakers to start pushing for that. Because that is something Florida is pushing right now.

Also, the fact that Dutch McCool literally founded Holiday Inn and we can't get a corporate sponsorship from them for our field is ludicrous.

Well, IHG is HQ'd in England, and their US regional HQ is in Atlanta. Once they sold out from the original owners in the 1990s, they could give a rats ass about MS.

But, yes, this is where Mississippi being so far behind hinders MSU (and will start to hinder OM - they are on borrowed time). You are seeing the same impacts on UK and USC - they are falling behind just like we are for pretty much the same reasons.
Keep in mind USC has a very devoted fanbase and UK has their ties to Kroger - and they aren't keeping up. A lot of that falls back to corporate dollars because fanbase is tapped (USC) or focused on their historic strongest sport (UK).

[StarkVegasSteve]

Well, IHG is HQ'd in England, and their US regional HQ is in Atlanta. Once they sold out from the original owners in the 1990s, they could give a rats ass about MS.

But, yes, this is where Mississippi being so far behind hinders MSU (and will start to hinder OM - they are on borrowed time). You are seeing the same impacts on UK and USC - they are falling behind just like we are for pretty much the same reasons.
Keep in mind USC has a very devoted fanbase and UK has their ties to Kroger - and they aren't keeping up. A lot of that falls back to corporate dollars because fanbase is tapped (USC) or focused on their historic strongest sport (UK).

We haven't even asked if they'd be interested. I don't see their logo on anyone else's field. That's my point with some of it. I mean we're not even asking. We're not even trying to tap additional funds. I mean the easiest thing to do is just call Farm Bureau. They'll do it. Hell, half their higher ups are at the game anyways. But we haven't even broached the subject. And the thing is Farm Bureau doesn't have to worry about remaining impartial because OM stuck AFLAC's logo on their field. Farm Bureau has an out to say, "Well they didn't even ask us."

[Santiago]

We haven't even asked if they'd be interested. I don't see their logo on anyone else's field. That's my point with some of it. I mean we're not even asking. We're not even trying to tap additional funds. I mean the easiest thing to do is just call Farm Bureau. They'll do it. Hell, half their higher ups are at the game anyways. But we haven't even broached the subject. And the thing is Farm Bureau doesn't have to worry about remaining impartial because OM stuck AFLAC's logo on their field. Farm Bureau has an out to say, "Well they didn't even ask us."

Amen

[Goldendawg]

Agreed. I don't see how it can continue like this. Maybe it does when you have billionaires giving 12 mill to one player. Wild times man. Just another way for the rich to flex their status.

A guy like D Scruggs at OM can probably just give the interest off his net worth of over a billion and never miss it. We need to give all we can, when we can, but this portal, NIL world, is not being funded by normal, middle-class fans. This is out of control, and the Pandora's Box will never be reclosed. It is no longer student athletes (and never really was for years under the table). They are paid semi-professionals with many getting generational change type $, if they can handle it (Many NFL and NBA players don't). I think the only thing that can level the playing field for schools like us are contracts for at least two years and salary caps ike the NFL.

[Political Hack]

Uneducated football fans typically blame the QB and/or the HC/OC, which is sometimes well placed. However, a majority of the time it's the Jack's and Joe's, not the X's and O's.

And, no, I'm not saying all the criticisms of Lebby are misplaced. He has to improve.

You want to win in the NIL world? Buy the best players. It's a pretty simple truth.

[StarkVegasSteve]

A guy like D Scruggs at OM can probably just give the interest off his net worth of over a billion and never miss it. We need to give all we can, when we can but this portal, NIL world is not being funded by normal, middle-class fans. This is out of control and the Pandora's Box will never be reclosed. It is no long student athletes (and never realy was for years under the table). They are paid semi professionals with many getting generational change type $, if they can handle it (Many NFL and NBA players don't). I think the only thing that can level the playing field for schoold like us are contracts for at lest two years and salary caps ike the NFL.

But that's the thing. It can be. We have, give or take, 150K living alumni. I will take that 35-50K don't actively support Mississippi State. So that leaves us with 100K living alumni. Now take out probably 2-5K that can give considerably more. That leaves you with around 95K. Now that 30K of that 95K that are against NIL. That is more than most fanbases but I think it's probably accurate for us. Now if you can get those 65K to give JUST $50/month, and that's not much. That's $12.50 a week. That's 3.25 million a month and 39 million a year. Now I understand all those 65K can't give $50/month. Some people truly budget every dollar and live paycheck to paycheck. So what about 40K. If we could get 40K people giving $50/month. That's 2 million a month and 24 million a year. You can build a championship roster with $50/month donations, but it takes everyone ON THE SAME PAGE AND ROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. And you have to be ok with knowing that the $50/month doesn't get you, singularly, crap. But everyone doing it will make Saturdays really enjoyable.

[Goldendawg]

We haven't even asked if they'd be interested. I don't see their logo on anyone else's field. That's my point with some of it. I mean we're not even asking. We're not even trying to tap additional funds. I mean the easiest thing to do is just call Farm Bureau. They'll do it. Hell, half their higher ups are at the game anyways. But we haven't even broached the subject. And the thing is Farm Bureau doesn't have to worry about remaining impartial because OM stuck AFLAC's logo on their field. Farm Bureau has an out to say, "Well they didn't even ask us."

My late father was a very successful FB agent and guys like him really helped the organization, especially in Mississippi to become the organization it is today. Many of those agents died much too young from the stress of that career and he was only 59.
The majority of these guys in those days were hardcore MSU supporters. Dad said in the early 70s a group of them went to buy a prospect a new car here in North Mississippi. He picked out a new LTD coupe. One agent punched another and said "Are you going to let him have that car?" He replied, "Shut up, they are unloading a new gold Thunderbird in the back and he didn't see it!"

Yes, even poor little MSU also cheated during recruiting decades ago. We weren't caught on this one, but eventually got unfairly put on probation and had to forfeit 19 games over a 10% discount clothing that all students received (I was a student at this time).
We have never been good at cheating or the Big Boys have always wanted to keep us "in our place" when we achieved success on the field. I think that the statute of limitations is out on this story with the constantly corrupt NCAA. Hail State, Let's Win Something Today!

[Coursesuper]

Uneducated football fans typically blame the QB and/or the HC/OC, which is sometimes well placed. However, a majority of the time it's the Jack's and Joe's, not the X's and O's.

And, no, I'm not saying all the criticisms of Lebby are misplaced. He has to improve.

You want to win in the NIL world? Buy the best players. It's a pretty simple truth.

Simple, to the point and on target.

[Political Hack]

My late father was a very successful FB agent and guys like him really helped the organization, especially in Mississippi to become the organization it is today. Many of those agents died much too young from the stress of that career and he was only 59.
The majority of these guys in those days were hardcore MSU supporters. Dad said in the early 70s a group of them went to buy a prospect a new car here in North Mississippi. He picked out a new LTD coupe. One agent punched another and said "Are you going to let him have that car?" He replied, "Shut up, they are unloading a new gold Thunderbird in the back and he didn't see it!"

Yes, even poor little MSU also cheated during recruiting decades ago. We weren't caught on this one, but eventually got unfairly put on probation and had to forfeit 19 games over a 10% discount clothing coupon that all students received (I was a student at this time).
We have never been good at cheating or the Big Boys have always wanted to keep us "in our place" when we achieved success on the field. I think that the statute of limitations is out on this story with the constantly corrupt NCAA. Hail State, Let's Win Something Today!

Ole Miss boosters paid people to squeal (and lie) when Jackie was here and when Mullen was here.

[R2Dawg]

Uneducated football fans typically blame the QB and/or the HC/OC, which is sometimes well placed. However, a majority of the time it's the Jack's and Joe's, not the X's and O's.

And, no, I'm not saying all the criticisms of Lebby are misplaced. He has to improve.

You want to win in the NIL world? Buy the best players. It's a pretty simple truth.

We've already shown we have the Jimmy's and Joes to compete with some of the best; what we don't have is game coaching to finish the deal. UT, UF, UT. 38-21 lead on TX and dominating and we lose. If it is just players then fire the coaches and spend the money on players and get a HC coach and pay him 400K a year.

[Coursesuper]

Ole Miss boosters paid people to squeal (and lie) when Jackie was here and when Mullen was here.

Yep, my father in law got caught up in one of those situations. And they out and out fabricated the much of what was said.

[Goldendawg]

Yep, my father in law got caught up in one of those situations. And they out and out fabricated the much of what was said.

Yes, and all too often our cowardly administration has not fought the NCAA in situations like this as other colleges have done. Our motto during the Jackie and Mullen accusations seem to be, "Thank you Sir, may we have another?"

We however made a serious error in getting a local judge to approve an adjunction allowing Larry Gillard and Richard Blackmore to continue playing during the Tyler NCAA investigation. This was of course overturned by an OM-dominated Mississippi Supreme Court. The rules have changed and there are no longer forfeits in this type of situation, just vacated wins.
Is there a way to appeal these 19 forfeits today, they really make our overall record of wins and losses look even worse. Hail State!

[BlackSailsDawg]

Analytics will never win over football logic and game feel. That crap goes out the window fame by game because each freaking game is different.

Might want to tell Lane Kiffin that.

[BlackSailsDawg]

Their coach is 8-10x better than ours too

Because their players are better. Look. Kiffin does the same things as Lebby. One has the talent to over come not getting it the other does not. And it's a money issue.

[msstate7]

Because their players are better. Look. Kiffin does the same things as Lebby. One has the talent to over come not getting it the other does not. And it's a money issue.

You must be the only one that sees it bc one is on everyone's radar, and the other is facing a hot seat entering 2026

[BlackSailsDawg]

But that's the thing. It can be. We have, give or take, 150K living alumni. I will take that 35-50K don't actively support Mississippi State. So that leaves us with 100K living alumni. Now take out probably 2-5K that can give considerably more. That leaves you with around 95K. Now that 30K of that 95K that are against NIL. That is more than most fanbases but I think it's probably accurate for us. Now if you can get those 65K to give JUST $50/month, and that's not much. That's $12.50 a week. That's 3.25 million a month and 39 million a year. Now I understand all those 65K can't give $50/month. Some people truly budget every dollar and live paycheck to paycheck. So what about 40K. If we could get 40K people giving $50/month. That's 2 million a month and 24 million a year. You can build a championship roster with $50/month donations, but it takes everyone ON THE SAME PAGE AND ROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION. And you have to be ok with knowing that the $50/month doesn't get you, singularly, crap. But everyone doing it will make Saturdays really enjoyable.

There are many ways to build it. But you are correct. Even at $10 per month, at 50K fans, that is $500K per month. 6 Million per year, and that is a massive help.

The there is the old saying, it take money to make money. Pair that with another old saying, "Your money should be your hardest working employee". Start building a portfolio that pays out every year. Take 50% and reinvest that, and 50% towards football. It will compound quickly.

10 Million into a simple stock like Ford will pay out $500K per year. A little more risk like MPLX. 10 million will return 2.5 Million in dividends per year starting year 5. If it continued the growth it has over the past 5 years, the dividend is 6.5 Million.

[Bothrops]

The NIL was the dumbest decision in the history of sports but it's here and here to stay. Give you life's worth so we can win 2 more games.

[confucius say]

Because their players are better. Look. Kiffin does the same things as Lebby. One has the talent to over come not getting it the other does not. And it's a money issue.

OM has better players. But not by a huge gap. That gap is much closer than 12 months ago.

And Lane is better than Lebby right now. As he should be. He's been a head coach like 12-13 years. Lebby is learning.

[BlackSailsDawg]

You must be the only one that sees it bc one is on everyone's radar, and the other is facing a hot seat entering 2026

Those places know they have the money for NIL. You could not get Kiffin to sniff coming to State because of NIL.

He literally went for it on 4th on his own 20 playing on the road this year at OU. He did not get it. But he had the players to over come that. A few years ago, he did not have the players to over come that and it cost him the Bama game. Go look at his portal ranking from 2022 on. They rank like this... #2, #2, #1, and #4. 2021... #49.

That is the difference. They decided to go all in in buying playing in the portal in 2022 to keep Kiffin because he was shopping.

[BlackSailsDawg]

OM has better players. But not by a huge gap. That gap is much closer than 12 months ago.

And Lane is better than Lebby right now. As he should be. He's been a head coach like 12-13 years. Lebby is learning.

Nope. Our Roster is nothing like theirs.

They have 3 five star players. we have none.

They have 35 four stars and we have 23.

That's a massive gap unless we never have injuries. We do. But it really shows up on the lines. We have a 3 star OL. Lane doesn't.

[Santiago]

- we punt directly in the middle of the field to TX, to a dangerous returner, with a lead in the final minutes.
- we have questionable 4th down calls and decisions.
- not kicking at florida, or at least run instead of throw.
- Against TX our FG defense did what looked like a coached chop block.
- GA toyed with us before half with fake punt then run out on the field....forcing the TO....but with everyone predicting they will do it again, we bit on it.

How much is $$ on players v. some improved coaching .

[msstate7]

- we punt directly in the middle of the field to TX, to a dangerous returner, with a lead in the final minutes.
- we have questionable 4th down calls and decisions.
- not kicking at florida, or at least run instead of throw.
- Against TX our FG defense did what looked like a coached chop block.
- GA toyed with us before half with fake punt then run out on the field....forcing the TO....but with everyone predicting they will do it again, we bit on it.

How much is $$ on players v. some improved coaching .

Lebby is top 4 sec coach if you listen to this guy

[Quaoarsking]

It's certainly possible that for enough money, we could build a roster that's good to win in spite of Lebby, and have 7, 8, or 9 wins that way.

It would be cheaper and more sustainable to replace Lebby with a more competent coach who would have 7, 8, or 9 wins with the level of funding we have now.

[BrunswickDawg]

We've already shown we have the Jimmy's and Joes to compete with some of the best; what we don't have is game coaching to finish the deal. UT, UF, UT. 38-21 lead on TX and dominating and we lose. If it is just players then fire the coaches and spend the money on players and get a HC coach and pay him 400K a year.

No. We've shown we have the people to compete for 3/4 to 4/5 (OT) of a game with the big guys. That's the whole point so many are refusing to see. We have some starters. Even 2 deep in some places. But you still need high quality 2s and 3s especially on the lines. Do you really believe that Jayvin James allows us to compete? I never call out players - and he was absolutely terrible Saturday. He's SEC quality?? No way. Jimothy Lewis? Almost as bad. And those are two multi-game starters. Let alone our backups like Luke (Doesn't) Work.

We are in the talent acquisition game now. You need high quality coaches. Top analysts. Huge staffs (even by 2014 standards). And a deep bench of talent. And all of that costs money. Way more money then we care to commit as a fanbase and institution. You cheap out on coaches or staff - and you will get what you pay for. Can't pay for talent on the field - you will get what you pay for. There is no "diamond in the rough" solution to the game today.

We have gotten what we paid for. We are bottom of the SEC in coaching compensation. We are bottom of the SEC in staff size. We are bottom of the SEC (UK may be lower) in player compensation. And we got almost bottom of the league results.
There is a reason we were picked last in the SEC. There is a reason Vegas had our over/under at 3.5. The people who know talent knew.

[somebodyshotmypaw]

You?re asking for the impossible. It?s the same as saying I want a Lambo on a McDonalds cashier salary and if I work hard enough for it I can do it. It?s a senseless take.

It's not impossible at all. Doug McMillon became CEO of WalMart at the age of 47. He started with WalMart as teenager on the loading dock. So a McDonalds cashier can become a manager, can become a franchise owner, can own a cluster of stores.

Everything ain't about money. Plenty of folks have succeeded at places that didn't have the resources. It happens every day. It's how you work, manage, create efficiencies out of inefficiencies, etc. You have to find the edge.

[confucius say]

Nope. Our Roster is nothing like theirs.

They have 3 five star players. we have none.

They have 35 four stars and we have 23.

That's a massive gap unless we never have injuries. We do. But it really shows up on the lines. We have a 3 star OL. Lane doesn't.

No they don't. Go look at their line of scrimmage metrics that Bill Radjewaki puts out on Twitter. They were behind us going into last week in line yards gained and barely ahead of us in line yards allowed, both opponent adjusted.

They do pass block better. But alot of that is scheme and coaching. We are often lost and have gotten worse through the year.
And yes, Injuries have killed us. Losing Whitson and the OL injuries suck.
Their roster is still better, but the gap has closed.

[confucius say]

No. We've shown we have the people to compete for 3/4 to 4/5 (OT) of a game with the big guys. That's the whole point so many are refusing to see. We have some starters. Even 2 deep in some places. But you still need high quality 2s and 3s especially on the lines. Do you really believe that Jayvin James allows us to compete? I never call out players - and he was absolutely terrible Saturday. He's SEC quality?? No way. Jimothy Lewis? Almost as bad. And those are two multi-game starters. Let alone our backups like Luke (Doesn't) Work.

We are in the talent acquisition game now. You need high quality coaches. Top analysts. Huge staffs (even by 2014 standards). And a deep bench of talent. And all of that costs money. Way more money then we care to commit as a fanbase and institution. You cheap out on coaches or staff - and you will get what you pay for. Can't pay for talent on the field - you will get what you pay for. There is no "diamond in the rough" solution to the game today.

We have gotten what we paid for. We are bottom of the SEC in coaching compensation. We are bottom of the SEC in staff size. We are bottom of the SEC (UK may be lower) in player compensation. And we got almost bottom of the league results.
There is a reason we were picked last in the SEC. There is a reason Vegas had our over/under at 3.5. The people who know talent knew.

Can certainly argue we have overachieved this year. Have flown past the over under of 3.5 wins.

Could also argue late game coaching decisions cost us 2-3 games.

Weird conundrum.

[BrunswickDawg]

Can certainly argue we have overachieved this year. Have flown past the over under of 3.5 wins.

Could also argue late game coaching decisions cost us 2-3 games.

Weird conundrum.

Yes it is. Frustratingly so.

[confucius say]

To add to the commentary about the gap between the rosters closing, we were +26 last year and this year the line is at 10.5 now.

[msstate7]

Can certainly argue we have overachieved this year. Have flown past the over under of 3.5 wins.

Could also argue late game coaching decisions cost us 2-3 games.

Weird conundrum.

How does that factor in to teams like Texas, ark, and Florida all going under their win total? You will almost certainly be adding mizzou to this list Saturday night.

[msstate7]

FPI has us 48th this season, which is an upgrade from 66th last year, so that's improvement. We are last in the sec though again, like last season

ETA... s&p+ has us 52nd, which is last in sec.

[confucius say]

How does that factor in to teams like Texas, ark, and Florida all going under their win total? You will almost certainly be adding mizzou to this list Saturday night.

I think it just means they underachieved expectations and we overachieved expectations.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Can certainly argue we have overachieved this year. Have flown past the over under of 3.5 wins.

Could also argue late game coaching decisions cost us 2-3 games.

Weird conundrum.

I feel pretty confident in saying if you told our fans on August 29th that we would be 5-6 going into the last game then about 95% of them would've said sign me up. I've said a couple of times, but the goalposts got moved after we beat Arizona St. They did. They literally got moved out of the stadium and they figuratively moved in fans minds that we all of a sudden were a 7-8 win team. And you know what, we were. We should easily be 7-4 right now. But I could just as easily say that we should be 3-8 right now. And it's ok to change expectations, it is. I think we all did. I know I did. But I also can look at things and see that we've improved MASSIVELY. Have we improved as much as we thought we had on Sept. 6th at around 10 PM? No. But we've improved more than people think at this current moment.

[confucius say]

FPI has us 48th this season, which is an upgrade from 66th last year, so that's improvement. We are last in the sec though again, like last season

Interesting. Would our FPI be higher if we had kicked the FG to beat Florida or held on against TN or Texas? Or does win-loss not really matter?

[msstate7]

FPI has us 48th this season, which is an upgrade from 66th last year, so that's improvement. We are last in the sec though again, like last season

ETA... s&p+ has us 52nd, which is last in sec.

Massey has us 48th, which is 15th in sec ahead of ark

[msstate7]

Interesting. Would our FPI be higher if we had kicked the FG to beat Florida or held on against TN or Texas? Or does win-loss not really matter?

Not positive, but I'd guess higher

[confucius say]

I feel pretty confident in saying if you told our fans on August 29th that we would be 5-6 going into the last game then about 95% of them would've said sign me up. I've said a couple of times, but the goalposts got moved after we beat Arizona St. They did. They literally got moved out of the stadium and they figuratively moved in fans minds that we all of a sudden were a 7-8 win team. And you know what, we were. We should easily be 7-4 right now. But I could just as easily say that we should be 3-8 right now. And it's ok to change expectations, it is. I think we all did. I know I did. But I also can look at things and see that we've improved MASSIVELY. Have we improved as much as we thought we had on Sept. 6th at around 10 PM? No. But we've improved more than people think at this current moment.

We've won 3 handily and lost 3 handily.

Then we've had 5 decided in the final minute and are 2-3 in those. We could easily be 3-8 or 8-3. Wild.

[StarkVegasSteve]

We've won 3 handily and lost 3 handily.

Then we've had 5 decided in the final minute and are 2-3 in those. We could easily be 3-8 or 8-3. Wild.

You're not wrong. I was even taking TN out of the equation because it was kind of back and forth the whole way.

[Maroon Glasses]

We've won 3 handily and lost 3 handily.

Then we've had 5 decided in the final minute and are 2-3 in those. We could easily be 3-8 or 8-3. Wild.

It is wild. I'm talking about myself here when I say this. I agree with SVS. I moved the goalpost for sure. Lebby has overachieved from where I thought we would be preseason. The aggravating part is the "what could/should" have been. We should be 7-4. Could be 8-3. The Texas and Florida loss are inexcusable. But on the flip side, Lebby has us in those games against much better talent on paper. So with me it's all a mixture of bad coaching and not buying better players. We have all seen teams throw the bank at rosters and utterly fail... 2022 A&M is the main one in my mind. I dont think we are far off from where we want to be especially if we improve the trenches. And didn't have to spend 35 mill to get there. Would it help? Absolutely. But with better coaching decisions we aren't even having this conversation. And hopefully that improves with experience.

[BrunswickDawg]

How does that factor in to teams like Texas, ark, and Florida all going under their win total? You will almost certainly be adding mizzou to this list Saturday night.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/win-totals/

Texas was 9.5 - has a 7 pt and 8 pt loss plus the GA blow out. 7 wins with 2 to play. 2 losses to higher rated teams and the bad loss to UF. IF they win out, I'd say that's why their o/u was 9.5 and not 10 - it was 50/50 they would blow a winnable game.
Arkansas was 5.5 - 17 points across 6 SEC games has them 0-6. Plus a 1 pt loss to Memphis. That is unfathomable.
UF was 6.5 - UF has a whole lot of talent. But, SunBelt Billy showed why he has that nickname.
Mizzou was 7.5 - 7 wins with 2 to play, 1 of which is Arkansas. They should finish over.

Ultimately Vegas is trying to get people to bet, so it is all with a grain of salt.

[BrunswickDawg]

It is wild. I'm talking about myself here when I say this. I agree with SVS. I moved the goalpost for sure. Lebby has overachieved from where I thought we would be preseason. The aggravating part is the "what could/should" have been. We should be 7-4. Could be 8-3. The Texas and Florida loss are inexcusable. But on the flip side, Lebby has us in those games against much better talent on paper. So with me it's all a mixture of bad coaching and not buying better players. We have all seen teams throw the bank at rosters and utterly fail... 2022 A&M is the main one in my mind. I dont think we are far off from where we want to be especially if we improve the trenches. And didn't have to spend 35 mill to get there. Would it help? Absolutely. But with better coaching decisions we aren't even having this conversation. And hopefully that improves with experience.

I almost typed this in an earlier post and deleted it -

A big part of what has everyone so PO'd is that we bought in. Again. Got our hopes up. Again. And we shit the bed. Again.

[msstate7]

https://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/win-totals/

Texas was 9.5 - has a 7 pt and 8 pt loss plus the GA blow out. 7 wins with 2 to play. 2 losses to higher rated teams and the bad loss to UF. IF they win out, I'd say that's why their o/u was 9.5 and not 10 - it was 50/50 they would blow a winnable game.
Arkansas was 5.5 - 17 points across 6 SEC games has them 0-6. Plus a 1 pt loss to Memphis. That is unfathomable.
UF was 6.5 - UF has a whole lot of talent. But, SunBelt Billy showed why he has that nickname.
Mizzou was 7.5 - 7 wins with 2 to play, 1 of which is Arkansas. They should finish over.

Ultimately Vegas is trying to get people to bet, so it is all with a grain of salt.

https://collegefootballnews.com/college-football/sec-football-win-totals-team-predictions-spring-2025

I just used this one, which had Missouri at 8.5

ETA... tenn is another that has to win out to not be under

[Quaoarsking]

I feel pretty confident in saying if you told our fans on August 29th that we would be 5-6 going into the last game then about 95% of them would've said sign me up.

So what?

If you'd also told me the context of how we got to 5-6 and how many teams on our schedule weren't as good as we expected, I would have retracted the "sign me up."

Nuance matters. Always has. 6 years ago, our whole fanbase [rightfully] wanted to fire a guy who won an Egg Bowl to get to a second straight bowl because of the nuance.

[Maroon Glasses]

I almost typed this in an earlier post and deleted it -

A big part of what has everyone so PO'd is that we bought in. Again. Got our hopes up. Again. And we shit the bed. Again.

I've yet to learn my lesson. I think thats the definition of insanity lol

[StarkVegasSteve]

So what?

If you'd also told me the context of how we got to 5-6 and how many teams on our schedule weren't as good as we expected, I would have retracted the "sign me up."

Nuance matters. Always has. 6 years ago, our whole fanbase [rightfully] wanted to fire a guy who won an Egg Bowl to get to a second straight bowl because of the nuance.

Joe also had a academic cheating scandal, his team was clearly regressing(8 wins to 6), and his starting MLB punched out his starting QB 3 days before the bowl game. That's not nuance. That's losing control of the program.

[Quaoarsking]

Joe also had a academic cheating scandal, his team was clearly regressing(8 wins to 6), and his starting MLB punched out his starting QB 3 days before the bowl game. That's not nuance. That's losing control of the program.

You're making my point for me. Moorhead had a record in 2019 that we would have assumed in August would have been good enough to keep his job in the eyes of most of our fans, but then once we saw how the season unfolded, it wasn't anymore. "You would have been fine with 6-6 before the season!" wasn't a relevant argument anymore.

Same goes with Lebby. Most of our fans want him out, despite the likely 5-7 record because of the way the season has unfolded.

[StarkVegasSteve]

You're making my point for me. Moorhead had a record in 2019 that we would have assumed in August would have been good enough to keep his job in the eyes of most of our fans, but then once we saw how the season unfolded, it wasn't anymore. "You would have been fine with 6-6 before the season!" wasn't a relevant argument anymore.

Same goes with Lebby. Most of our fans want him out, despite the likely 5-7 record because of the way the season has unfolded.

Lebby has not had an academic cheating scandal and to our knowledge Branden Jennings hasn't punched out Shapen. Lebby has not lost control of the program. Joe did. Joe would've been brought back had Willie Gay not punched out Schrader.

[msstate7]

Lebby has not had an academic cheating scandal and to our knowledge Branden Jennings hasn't punched out Shapen. Lebby has not lost control of the program. Joe did. Joe would've been brought back had Willie Gay not punched out Schrader.

That was just the opportunity to do what was wanted. I guarantee if Lebby gives any opportunity, he will be gone too

[deltadawg63]

Nor has he called out the fan base and told them to kick rocks and pound sand while gloating over a 20-19 win by a botched XPT by a bad OM team!

[Quaoarsking]

Lebby has not had an academic cheating scandal and to our knowledge Branden Jennings hasn't punched out Shapen. Lebby has not lost control of the program. Joe did. Joe would've been brought back had Willie Gay not punched out Schrader.

I didn't say their situations are 100% identical, but both of them have legitimate reasons for most of our fans to want to move on, despite the "but you would have been happy with this record in August" argument.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I didn't say their situations are 100% identical, but both of them have legitimate reasons for most of our fans to want to move on, despite the "but you would have been happy with this record in August" argument.

Look man, you're not going to agree with me and I'm not going to agree with you. You want him 4 weeks ago and I want to give him 2026 because I see the improvement. One of us will be right. But it won't be today and it won't be in 10 days.

[Quaoarsking]

Look man, you're not going to agree with me and I'm not going to agree with you. You want him 4 weeks ago and I want to give him 2026 because I see the improvement. One of us will be right. But it won't be today and it won't be in 10 days.

Even when I (along with 90% of our fans) turn out to be right next year and we finally fire him, your side will claim that actually you were right because most of you have admitted that we'll probably fire him next year but think it's proper to give him another year anyway.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Even when I (along with 90% of our fans) turn out to be right next year and we finally fire him, your side will claim that actually you were right because most of you have admitted that we'll probably fire him next year but think it's proper to give him another year anyway.

I admitted when I was wrong about Arnett and the Air Raid. I also don't believe we'll fire him next year because I know changes are going to be made to the staff.

[Bothrops]

Our fans don't really care for football. We have proved it over and over.

Here's the problem with that though, we have supporters that are investigating millions and millions into football facilities. I agree that a lot of MSU fans are more into deer camp jerkfests than football, but why build all this stuff if we want to just let well enough alone.

[msstate7]

I admitted when I was wrong about Arnett and the Air Raid. I also don't believe we'll fire him next year because I know changes are going to be made to the staff.

Someone admitting they're wrong around here is rare air

[StarkVegasSteve]

Someone admitting they're wrong around here is rare air

I count, over my 8 years here, you and I. There may be more, but I just don't remember them.

[confucius say]

I'm bad about giving our current coaches the benefit of the doubt. Mostly because I want them to win.

[Bdawg]

Imagine being a Billionaire and spending your hard earned cash on high school and college kids so you can try to buy your college team relevance.

I'm sorry, but I just don't understand the amount of money these rich bastards are throwing at college football players. It's as if they want to be known as the reason their team succeeded. It's the most selfishly unselfish waste of money I've ever seen. And I hope we have some folks that are just as dumb, bc I ain't got billions with a B, millions with a M, or even many thousands with a T! Haha

It?s ego and social status with them. Makes them them feel good to be able to brag on how much they paid for so and so. And we may have some in the same boat. But give them credit, if they want a good football team, it takes money. They just have a lot of rich folks who like to give and give every year.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I'm bad about giving our current coaches the benefit of the doubt. Mostly because I want them to win.

We all are. And it gets us to a certain point where we do not even enjoy the wins anymore. We get so hard on coaches that we look for reasons we were “lucky” to win or point out how the other team screwed up.

I vividly remember multiple times during the Moorhead era being pissed we won. Like that is a shitty fan. It is. I remember everyone else celebrating the 19 Egg Bowl and 5 minutes after the game I am pissed because Joe has not been fired. If we win next Friday, there will be people that do it.

[Dawgology]

We all are. And it gets us to a certain point where we do not even enjoy the wins anymore. We get so hard on coaches that we look for reasons we were “lucky” to win or point out how the other team screwed up.

I vividly remember multiple times during the Moorhead era being pissed we won. Like that is a shitty fan. It is. I remember everyone else celebrating the 19 Egg Bowl and 5 minutes after the game I am pissed because Joe has not been fired. If we win next Friday, there will be people that do it.

I (as the majority fans do) just want wins. I don’t give a rip who the coach is. I don’t care for a splash hire or celebrity I just want wins. The “improvement” shown this year gives me some hope but honestly it’s hard NOT to improve from what we were last year. The boneheaded coaching decisions give me pause though. Sometimes a coach learns from those but sometimes that’s just their nature. I hope Lebby is one who learns but in the last couple games it really doesn’t look that way. Art Briles would make a great OC for him next season and I think could teach him how to manage a program also (the jokes just write themselves after I wrote that sentence….have fun)

[Santiago]

We all are. And it gets us to a certain point where we do not even enjoy the wins anymore. We get so hard on coaches that we look for reasons we were “lucky” to win or point out how the other team screwed up.

I vividly remember multiple times during the Moorhead era being pissed we won. Like that is a shitty fan. It is. I remember everyone else celebrating the 19 Egg Bowl and 5 minutes after the game I am pissed because Joe has not been fired. If we win next Friday, there will be people that do it.

I don't know man, it should be ok to both win and be upset at an effort or performance in the event. Those are the ones that are driven to succeed.

[tcdog70]

The UF game. Personally I would have ran it instead of passing it. But I understand the thought process. If we get a TFL it makes the FG near impossible. So a quick pass, speaking stat wise, should result in positive yards OR incomplete pass, and rarely an INT.

We did not run 8 straight draws vs Mizzou. Those were RPOs and both QBs saw they had the numbers. When you have the numbers you take it. So what happened? Piss poor blocking. We had numbers and still could do nothing. On the flip side of that, if the QBs do not take the numbers, our wrs have little room because that's where they put the numbers at.

We have a 3 star line trying to defend against 5 and 4 star players at DE, DL, and LB.

You are on the 17ing 2 yard line 1st and goal-=-to hell with RPO run a QB sneak. or just hand the mfer to fluff. Its is football not a video game. Money would be good, having a Coach that isn't a dumbass would be better.

[tcdog70]

We all are. And it gets us to a certain point where we do not even enjoy the wins anymore. We get so hard on coaches that we look for reasons we were “lucky” to win or point out how the other team screwed up.

I vividly remember multiple times during the Moorhead era being pissed we won. Like that is a shitty fan. It is. I remember everyone else celebrating the 19 Egg Bowl and 5 minutes after the game I am pissed because Joe has not been fired. If we win next Friday, there will be people that do it.

hard on Coaches-boo hoo--they are making Millions. I was on the Lebby train until Mizzo--He lost Me on that one. Now if we fire Him I'm ok with that.

[tcdog70]

Lebby has not had an academic cheating scandal and to our knowledge Branden Jennings hasn't punched out Shapen. Lebby has not lost control of the program. Joe did. Joe would've been brought back had Willie Gay not punched out Schrader.

so what is your point-JOMO and Lebby have proven to be bad Coaches. Lebby at least has not lost the team yet. But he has lost 4 games he could have won, if he had a brain. JOMO wasn't 1-16 in SEC and he didn't lose to 17 ing Toledo.

[tcdog70]

Gotta disagree. It was his play calling that got us in position to win to begin with. Imagine if we had an OL that was comparable to ANYBODY else in the SEC. We don't. If we did, we would be an 8 win team. That goes for the DL/LB too. Being thin has hurt us at the end of games (tx and UT).

We are not far off. We need maybe 5 to 7 million more to raise the bar at OL and DL/LB.

how about hire an OL coach to Coach these OLinemen up. They look lost. They do look better with Kamario as the QB. Shapen doesn't help them by holding the ball toolong and his $hitty pocket awareness.

[tcdog70]

We have enough money to be a 8 win team this year. It's obviously not the money

you Sir are right again. It is squarely on the HC.

[Lord McBuckethead]

The idea that no one on here understands we are in a bad money position and just jealous of Ole Miss is hysterically out-of-touch. We all get it.

We need a coach who can win despite the financial disadvantages. Even if Lebby could hypothetically be a good coach at a richer school (which I doubt), he doesn't appear to be the right coach for us.

I mean, our money issues didn't lead to the following:

Tennessee and Texas Game - Snapping the ball up 17 in the 4th with 25 seconds on the play clock.
Florida - Throwing the ball, when in field goal range down 2 with less than a minute remaining. We have a beast of a running back and a running QB. Let them get dirty.
Missouri - Whatever the 17 that was. 8 plays inside the 10 to take the lead, and our running backs have 2 carries in the entire half? Even then, we need to the outside not up the middle. We will never learn.

Does he even coach a simple pump fake, or is it just staring down a single receiver? Do we have plays that take advantage of the middle of the field? Do we have a play with mesh crossing routes like every other team in America?

Why do we never run blitz or stunt? I don't remember us doing either the entire game against Mizzou.

[Lord McBuckethead]

how about hire an OL coach to Coach these OLinemen up. They look lost. They do look better with Kamario as the QB. Shapen doesn't help them by holding the ball toolong and his $hitty pocket awareness.

The OL is just not good. Not a single one of them would start for Kentucky.
Give us the 2014 OL and 2018 DL and we may be undefeated right now.

[tcdog70]

and this is what apparently our fans have no idea about. Mississippi's roster is easily 8-10MM more than ours. You get what you pay for

plus their Coach is light years better than our Coach.

[tcdog70]

If the money situation is as dire as being said here, then our only choice will be to do the triple option or something. If you don't have the funds that other teams have, you can't try to run similar offenses as them.

or we can just kick the game winning FG---or run the clock down when up by 17 in the 4th. or run a 17ing QB sneak when you are on the 2 with 4 downs (with KT) or hand the ball to Fluff instead of letting Shapen run it. all pretty simple standard football plays that 95% of the Coaches in the USA would do--

[Lord McBuckethead]

or we can just kick the game winning FG---or run the clock down when up by 17 in the 4th. or run a 17ing QB sneak when you are on the 2 with 4 downs (with KT) or hand the ball to Fluff instead of letting Shapen run it. all pretty simple standard football plays that 95% of the Coaches in the USA would do--

Not 95%, literally every single coach except ours.

[confucius say]

or we can just kick the game winning FG---or run the clock down when up by 17 in the 4th. or run a 17ing QB sneak when you are on the 2 with 4 downs (with KT) or hand the ball to Fluff instead of letting Shapen run it. all pretty simple standard football plays that 95% of the Coaches in the USA would do--

First and goal at the 2.
We ran KT and lost 2 yards.

[BorneDawg]

Well, we aren?t going to get the money. It just isn?t there for Football nor will it ever be if our wealthy NFL players don?t step up and make sizable donations. And frankly, I don?t think they care. They got what they needed out of State and have moved on in life. I would be very surprised if any of their kids that turn out to be great athletes even think about attending MSU. The Jenkins kid is a different situation because it is a football dad raising a very talented baseball son. Where are our legacy star football players? None. Where is our athletics department bringing all those Probowlers in during the off-season to try and get them on board with helping with NIL and Coaches Salaries?

I said earlier, we could charge an NIL fee on top of every ticket but ticket prices are already pricing out the average State fans family.

I have no clue but do ..... Dak - Chris Jones - Slay - McPhee - KJ - Cox.... those type players give much to the program?

[DawgFromOxford]

I almost typed this in an earlier post and deleted it -

A big part of what has everyone so PO'd is that we bought in. Again. Got our hopes up. Again. And we shit the bed. Again.

This a thousand times this.

[AROB44]

I said earlier, we could charge an NIL fee on top of every ticket

Actually, this is a very good idea. If we average just 45,000 tickets sold per game and have 6 home games, $5 added per ticket would raise
$1,350,000 for NIL. Now this might not be very much overall, but it's still something.

[basedog]

I said earlier, we could charge an NIL fee on top of every ticket

Actually, this is a very good idea. If we average just 45,000 tickets sold per game and have 6 home games, $5 added per ticket would raise
$1,350,000 for NIL. Now this might not be very much overall, but it's still something.

You be right on with this idea. Heck add extra for money for basketball and baseball tickets.

[Goldendawg]

Our "improved" defense is dead last in the SEC (We have played one more game than most, but it's still not close). We have given up 2088 yards against the run. It's terrible.

[Homedawg]

I have no clue but do ..... Dak - Chris Jones - Slay - McPhee - KJ - Cox.... those type players give much to the program?

Not many football players anywhere give lots of money to their schools. It happens some but rare. But no not a lot

[Santiago]

I said earlier, we could charge an NIL fee on top of every ticket

Actually, this is a very good idea. If we average just 45,000 tickets sold per game and have 6 home games, $5 added per ticket would raise
$1,350,000 for NIL. Now this might not be very much overall, but it's still something.

Also ask for "round up" voluntarily to the ticket sales if the fan wants to add more to it....That works when we are winning or high expectations.