Mullen and KT together

[Cowbell]

Would be fire

[msstate7]

Mullen would have us in a bowl next season without a doubt. Doubt he'd come back though

[DownwardDawg]

Malzahn would be even better. He was always a much better play caller than Mullen. And he always felt like he was better than Saban and beat his ass more than any other coach.

[Quaoarsking]

My understanding is that bridges have been burned in both directions, but obviously I would be totally fine with bringing him back if he would come. I would want a huge buyout clause so that he wouldn't be able to shop around.

[msstate7]

Malzahn would be even better. He was always a much better play caller than Mullen. And he always felt like he was better than Saban and beat his ass more than any other coach.
The difference between Saban and Mullen is immense, and ironically that's the difference between Mullen and Lebby

[Todd4State]

I think Mullen would limit KT a lot honestly. He would rely too much on his running and not enough on his passing.

[parabrave]

I also want Ben Beckwith blocking for him also/

[Coursesuper]

Would be fire

If that happens it will not be here.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I also want Ben Beckwith blocking for him also/

I would take John Hevesy back in a heartbeat. Immense A hole but damn he could coach a line.

[1eyedog]

Remeber Mullen only won the EB only once with Dak and that?s only because Nicole made the fumble into the end zone.......14 was a HUGE embarrassment and was the pivotal point in Dog football and 15 was a complete @$$whipping....so maybe not.

[msstate7]

Remeber Mullen only won once with Dak and that’s only because Nicole made the fumble into the end zone.......14 was a HUGE embarrassment and 15 was a @$$whipping....so maybe not.

Ban this idiot. We were 19-7 in '14-'15. And now this stupid MF is stumping for Lebby. He's a troll and should be banned

[StarkVegasSteve]

Remeber Mullen only won once with Dak and that’s only because Nicole made the fumble into the end zone.......14 was a HUGE embarrassment and 15 was a @$$whipping....so maybe not.

What are you drinking tonight?? This is damn unreadable so I need whatever you drinking.

[msstate7]

What are you drinking tonight?? This is damn unreadable so I need whatever you drinking.

He's an OM troll

[StarkVegasSteve]

He's an OM troll

Ahh well I honestly do not mind it. If he is that big of a loser to create an account on a Mississippi State message board then more power to you. I mean if your first thought when your team is 10-1 and within a whisker of the playoffs is, “Man I gotta go post on the Mississippi State board” then you are a LOSER. Like massive Loser.

[1eyedog]

Ban this idiot. We were 19-7 in '14-'15. And now this stupid MF is stumping for Lebby. He's a troll and should be banned

Sorry buddy, Mullen did great things for the Dogs.....but his EB performances were shaky especially in the years he was shopping......and that was the question I was addressing......and yes Mullen made a great QB out of Dak.

[msstate7]

Ahh well I honestly do not mind it. If he is that big of a loser to create an account on a Mississippi State message board then more power to you. I mean if your first thought when your team is 10-1 and within a whisker of the playoffs is, “Man I gotta go post on the Mississippi State board” then you are a LOSER. Like massive Loser.

Exactly

[StarkVegasSteve]

Sorry buddy, Mullen did great things for the Dogs.....but his EB performances were shaky especially in the years he was shopping......and that was the question I was addressing......and yes Mullen made a great QB out of Dak.

Troll or not you are correct. He was shopping in 12 and we were not prepared. We were god awful in 13 but he was locked in so we found a way. He was shopping in 14 and 15 and we were not prepared. He was locked in for 16 and we curb stomped them. And 17 he had already signed an MOU with TN and was out of it.

[Todd4State]

Troll or not you are correct. He was shopping in 12 and we were not prepared. We were god awful in 13 but he was locked in so we found a way. He was shopping in 14 and 15 and we were not prepared. He was locked in for 16 and we curb stomped them. And 17 he had already signed an MOU with TN and was out of it.

And yet we have fans that want him back.

[Quaoarsking]

And yet we have fans that want him back.

Think about it in your own career - do you want to have a high performer on your team who is good enough to have other job opportunities and talks to them some? Or a low performer that no one wants (but would also talk if someone did want him)?

[BuckyIsAB****]

If Mullen or Malzahn will even answer the phone about the job you fire lebbro tomorrow to show them you?re serious. They are both 10x better than frat bro

[BuckyIsAB****]

Gus bus would take it tomorrow. And he is not perfect by any stretch. But we beat Tennessee Texas and Florida with him

[DEDawg]

And yet we have fans that want him back.
Lot of low IQ takes come out after a loss

[msstate7]

Lot of low IQ takes come out after a loss

This is better, right?

[Dawgface]

And yet we have fans that want him back.

Hell yeah. Only an idiot would prefer Lebby over Mullen.

[Cowbell]

I would take John Hevesy back in a heartbeat. Immense A hole but damn he could coach a line.
Yep

[FISHDAWG]

All I know is that Mullen would have the right quarterback running the football... no way should Shapen run a designed quarterback running play in which he did quite often last night. Having said that, I still wouldn't want Mullen back. I do however think that Malzhan would be a good fit

[War Machine Dawg]

Gus bus would take it tomorrow. And he is not perfect by any stretch. But we beat Tennessee Texas and Florida with him

I've said for years I think Malzahn is a great, maybe even perfect, fit for us. His offense is perfect for the talent we're historically able to attract. Hires good DCs. Runs his program well.

KT would be a beast in a Malzahn offense. Cam Newton 2.0.

[Todd4State]

All I know is that Mullen would have the right quarterback running the football... no way should Shapen run a designed quarterback running play in which he did quite often last night. Having said that, I still wouldn't want Mullen back. I do however think that Malzhan would be a good fit

Damien Williams says hi. Also, Dan never had a schedule as difficult as our is this year. Since he rarely beat teams with better talent than us I would say our record would be about the same or worse.

[Quaoarsking]

Damien Williams says hi. Also, Dan never had a schedule as difficult as our is this year. Since he rarely beat teams with better talent than us I would say our record would be about the same or worse.

Damien Williams started 1 game in his career here - the 2013 Egg Bowl. We all know the story of Dak coming off the bench to win the game, but I wouldn't say that Dak not starting was coaching malpractice.

The only other game where he got significant playing time was the 2016 against South Alabama, where Fitzgerald was benched after a poor start. You can argue that Mullen should have let Fitzgerald play longer, and I would probably agree, but it's not Williams had bad stats in that game or was responsible for the loss. Mullen went back to Fitzgerald for the rest of the season.

It's fascinating how this phenomenon of "misremembering Dan Mullen as being worse than he actually was" has been so widespread here and on other boards among Lebby supporters.

[Todd4State]

Damien Williams started 1 game in his career here - the 2013 Egg Bowl. We all know the story of Dak coming off the bench to win the game, but I wouldn't say that Dak not starting was coaching malpractice.

The only other game where he got significant playing time was the 2016 against South Alabama, where Fitzgerald was benched after a poor start. You can argue that Mullen should have let Fitzgerald play longer, and I would probably agree, but it's not Williams had bad stats in that game or was responsible for the loss. Mullen went back to Fitzgerald for the rest of the season.

It's fascinating how this phenomenon of "misremembering Dan Mullen as being worse than he actually was" has been so widespread here and on other boards among Lebby supporters.

The quote was that "Mullen would have had the right QB running the ball"...and yet that wasn't really always the case was it? And that's at the QB position. I could have pointed out how he started Holloway while gaslighting the media about Aeris Williams blocking which just magically got better after Holloway got injured in 2016. Among other examples. Like starting Chris Jones for one season. Starting Zach Jackson over JT Gray. I could go on.

Has nothing to do with being a "Lebby supporter" at all.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Damien Williams started 1 game in his career here - the 2013 Egg Bowl. We all know the story of Dak coming off the bench to win the game, but I wouldn't say that Dak not starting was coaching malpractice.

The only other game where he got significant playing time was the 2016 against South Alabama, where Fitzgerald was benched after a poor start. You can argue that Mullen should have let Fitzgerald play longer, and I would probably agree, but it's not Williams had bad stats in that game or was responsible for the loss. Mullen went back to Fitzgerald for the rest of the season.

It's fascinating how this phenomenon of "misremembering Dan Mullen as being worse than he actually was" has been so widespread here and on other boards among Lebby supporters.

Dan Mullen against top 25 teams in 9 years: 7-33

Dan was a good coach and I loved his time here and like Dan a lot as a person. But he beat the teams he was supposed to beat and never really punched above his weight. 3 of his 7 wins were in 4 weeks in 2014.

And this is coming from someone who wanted to hire Dan in both 2023 and 2024. I would take Dan back, but understand what you are getting. 7-8 wins and nothing more. And the minute he has success, he will be trying to get a bigger job.

[msstate7]

Damien Williams started 1 game in his career here - the 2013 Egg Bowl. We all know the story of Dak coming off the bench to win the game, but I wouldn't say that Dak not starting was coaching malpractice.

The only other game where he got significant playing time was the 2016 against South Alabama, where Fitzgerald was benched after a poor start. You can argue that Mullen should have let Fitzgerald play longer, and I would probably agree, but it's not Williams had bad stats in that game or was responsible for the loss. Mullen went back to Fitzgerald for the rest of the season.

It's fascinating how this phenomenon of "misremembering Dan Mullen as being worse than he actually was" has been so widespread here and on other boards among Lebby supporters.

Basically we can't defend Lebby anymore, so let's act like Mullen wasn't good. Acting like mullen didn't lift our program is trash.

[msstate7]

Dan Mullen against top 25 teams in 9 years: 7-33

Dan was a good coach and I loved his time here and like Dan a lot as a person. But he beat the teams he was supposed to beat and never really punched above his weight. 3 of his 7 wins were in 4 weeks in 2014.

3 sec wins sounds nice. We've had 2 in 3 years. Yeah, Mullen sucked

[StarkVegasSteve]

3 sec wins sounds nice. We've had 2 in 3 years. Yeah, Mullen sucked

Where did I say he sucked in there? I was just pointing out the top 25 record. Just stating a fact. I actually did the opposite because I said I liked Dan when he was here and wanted to hire him back in 23 and 24

[Quaoarsking]

Dan Mullen against top 25 teams in 9 years: 7-33

Dan was a good coach and I loved his time here and like Dan a lot as a person. But he beat the teams he was supposed to beat and never really punched above his weight. 3 of his 7 wins were in 4 weeks in 2014.

And this is coming from someone who wanted to hire Dan in both 2023 and 2024. I would take Dan back, but understand what you are getting. 7-8 wins and nothing more. And the minute he has success, he will be trying to get a bigger job.

I'd rather have a coach who mostly wins what he's supposed to than a coach who doesn't even do that. Dan Mullen wouldn't have gotten humiliated by Toledo, and he wouldn't have lost to 3-9 Florida this year either.

[JimBobDawg]

Lot of low IQ takes come out after a loss
We?re in desperate times.

[Todd4State]

Basically we can't defend Lebby anymore, so let's act like Mullen wasn't good. Acting like mullen didn't lift our program is trash.

I've been bashing Dan long before we hired Lebby. Truth is he wasn't as successful as Sherrill. Jackie had 2014 type seasons in 1998 and 1999 along with some very memorable wins throughout the years sprinkled in. 1992 over Florida, 1994 over Tennessee, 2000 over Florida all come to mind. 1996 over Alabama too.

Dan's typical season was four OOC wins, a win over an Auburn team that was down, a win over Arkansas and Kentucky, a decent win over Texas A&M and then an inexplicable loss to Ole Miss while he is trying to get a job at Miami.

[Todd4State]

Hell yeah. Only an idiot would prefer Lebby over Mullen.

I don't care if it's Lebby or not- we can do better than Dan with multiple coaches.

[Todd4State]

I'd rather have a coach who mostly wins what he's supposed to than a coach who doesn't even do that. Dan Mullen wouldn't have gotten humiliated by Toledo, and he wouldn't have lost to 3-9 Florida this year either.

He also probably loses to Arizona State.

[Quaoarsking]

He also probably loses to Arizona State.

Doubt it. Arizona State would be a 7- or 8-win team in the SEC, and Mullen usually beat those at home.

[Todd4State]

Doubt it. Arizona State would be a 7- or 8-win team in the SEC, and Mullen usually beat those at home.

Again- 7-33 against the top 25.

[Quaoarsking]

Again- 7-33 against the top 25.

Is that based on how teams finished, or what they were at the time?

[Todd4State]

Is that based on how teams finished, or what they were at the time?

I got it from SVD.

[Quaoarsking]

I got it from SVD.

Why in the world are you quoting a statistic without checking it for yourself first and making sure you know exactly what it means?

[BuckyIsAB****]

I've been bashing Dan long before we hired Lebby. Truth is he wasn't as successful as Sherrill. Jackie had 2014 type seasons in 1998 and 1999 along with some very memorable wins throughout the years sprinkled in. 1992 over Florida, 1994 over Tennessee, 2000 over Florida all come to mind. 1996 over Alabama too.

Dan's typical season was four OOC wins, a win over an Auburn team that was down, a win over Arkansas and Kentucky, a decent win over Texas A&M and then an inexplicable loss to Ole Miss while he is trying to get a job at Miami.
Todd. Lebby has ONE sec win. ONE

[Todd4State]

Why in the world are you quoting a statistic without checking it for yourself first and making sure you know exactly what it means?

Then why don't you fact check me? I've looked it up before myself and I remember getting a similar number. I don't remember him beating very many teams and then at the end of the year it turned out that they were a lot better than people thought.

[Todd4State]

Todd. Lebby has ONE sec win. ONE

So? That post wasn't exactly praising Lebby at all in any way shape or form.

[preachermatt83]

Mullen would have us in a bowl next season without a doubt. Doubt he'd come back though

So will Lebby.

[Quaoarsking]

So will Lebby.

There's no reason whatsoever to be confident about that. This was Lebby's year to overachieve, and he blew it. Unlikely he lucks into another one.

[Todd4State]

There's no reason whatsoever to be confident about that. This was Lebby's year to overachieve, and he blew it. Unlikely he lucks into another one.

The schedule next season is objectively easier. If he doesn't have us in a bowl next season he should be fired. And probably will be. With modest additions to our personnel we could easily win 7-8 games next season.

[DownwardDawg]

The schedule next season is objectively easier. If he doesn't have us in a bowl next season he should be fired. And probably will be. With modest additions to our personnel we could easily win 7-8 games next season.
I would love that brother, but I would be absolutely shocked if Lebby wins 6 games or more next season. Unless he hires an OC and replaces the DC. I just don't see it.

[Quaoarsking]

The schedule next season is objectively easier. If he doesn't have us in a bowl next season he should be fired. And probably will be. With modest additions to our personnel we could easily win 7-8 games next season.

There's no way to know for sure if next year's schedule will be easier or harder than this year until all of next year plays out. Who knows if Auburn and LSU will bounce back year? Who knows if Ole Miss and Vanderbilt will still be good or revert back to their old selves?

The one point we do know is that we have to play 9 conference games instead of 8. We have to win at least 3 conference games to make a bowl, or 4 if we lose at Minnesota, and that seems like a pretty big ask of Lebby.

[Todd4State]

I would love that brother, but I would be absolutely shocked if Lebby wins 6 games or more next season. Unless he hires an OC and replaces the DC. I just don't see it.


There's no way to know for sure if next year's schedule will be easier or harder than this year until all of next year plays out. Who knows if Auburn and LSU will bounce back year? Who knows if Ole Miss and Vanderbilt will still be good or revert back to their old selves?

The one point we do know is that we have to play 9 conference games instead of 8. We have to win at least 3 conference games to make a bowl, or 4 if we lose at Minnesota, and that seems like a pretty big ask of Lebby.

We should win our OOC games. We have Auburn at home with a new coach, post Kiffin probably Ole Miss, post Pavia Vanderbilt unless he keeps suing for eligibility, possibly post Drinkwitz Mizzou at home, at South Carolina. We can win some if not most of those games.

[Pancho]

Todd, do you really feel like Kiffin is gone?

[StarkVegasSteve]

Is that based on how teams finished, or what they were at the time?

It's at the time.

[Quaoarsking]

It's at the time.

Then who cares?

What was Mullen's record against teams who were ranked at the time but then finished unranked? That's what's relevant in the Arizona State discussion.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Then who cares?

What was Mullen's record against teams who were ranked at the time but then finished unranked? That's what's relevant in the Arizona State discussion.

That wasn't the original question, but give me 5 minutes and I'll give you that number as well


Edit: Updated to add that record would be 4-32.

[Quaoarsking]

That wasn't the original question, but give me 5 minutes and I'll give you that number as well


Edit: Updated to add that record would be 4-32.

He played 36 games against teams who were ranked at the time and then finished unranked? That can't be right. Surely it's <10.

[StarkVegasSteve]

He played 36 games against teams who were ranked at the time and then finished unranked? That can't be right. Surely it's <10.

Oh my bad. I thought you were saying what was his ranking against teams that were in the final rankings. My bad on that. I thought you wanted to filter out the teams that were ranked at the time we played them but finished unranked.


Edit: His record against that were ranked at the time but finished unranked was 4-1. He beat Florida in 2010. He beat A&M in 14 and 16, he beat LSU in 14, and he lost to A&M in 15.

[Quaoarsking]

His record against that were ranked at the time but finished unranked was 4-1. He beat Florida in 2010. He beat A&M in 14 and 16, he beat LSU in 14, and he lost to A&M in 15.

So while it's impossible to say whether he would have beaten Arizona State this year, I at least have some solid reason to think he probably would have, given his history in similar type games.

[Todd4State]

Todd, do you really feel like Kiffin is gone?

I think the odds are high.