Jans

[NCMSTFAN]

Im watching UCF vs Texas A&M right now and even though Riley Kugel is having a slow game he is making big plays. He's averaging over 20 ppg as well... How the hell couldn't we capitalize on a talent like Riley Kugel? Outside of Josh Hubbard, who pretty much runs the show, who is Jans developing? Other than yelling at his players for 4 years straight and supposedly being a defensive coach how are we progressing with Jans? I appreciate us making the tournament for 3 years but if we take Hubbard away what do we have??

[Coach34]

Kugel = cancer

[BrunswickDawg]

Im watching UCF vs Texas A&M right now and even though Riley Kugel is having a slow game he is making big plays. He's averaging over 20 ppg as well... How the hell couldn't we capitalize on a talent like Riley Kugel? Outside of Josh Hubbard, who pretty much runs the show, who is Jans developing? Other than yelling at his players for 4 years straight and supposedly being a defensive coach how are we progressing with Jans? I appreciate us making the tournament for 3 years but if we take Hubbard away what do we have??

How about this - we are not a basketball power school, and he has gotten us to the post season for 3 straight years for only the second time in the history of the program.

[msstate7]

How about this - we are not a basketball power school, and he has gotten us to the post season for 3 straight years for only the second time in the history of the program.

The hate Jans gets is unreal. He's an unbelievable coach

[msstate7]

How about this - we are not a basketball power school, and he has gotten us to the post season for 3 straight years for only the second time in the history of the program.

We've made 3 straight tourneys 2 times. Stansbury and Jans... that's it

[Saltydog]

The hate Jans gets is unreal. He's an unbelievable coach

I agree from an x's and o's perspective but there's two things that are a tad bit worrisome. First, our D was not good last year and it doesn't look any better this year. That's effort and is supposedly the trademark of his teams. Also, he's an average recruiter, at best. I realize some of that is tied to NIL. So, you take the good with the bad but as you said, we've been to three straight tourney's so I'll support him.

[BrunswickDawg]

The hate Jans gets is unreal. He's an unbelievable coach

In a state that is producing ZERO basketball talent right now. None.

[Thick]

The problem with Jans is he coaches one end of the court. He loves defense, but he hates offense apparently! The good/successful coaches coach both ends of the court, and they recruit accordingly. Bruce Pearl for example, coached the entire court, and he gets his point across by coaching offense and defense. Jans doesn?t do that. Stansbury?..recruited well, but he coached defense, rebounding, and scoring. We have a 5?10 guard that if he has an off night?.we?re ****ed! Sean Jones is a starter?..he?s a nothing more than situational player anywhere else! Rick Barnes?..coaches both ends of the court as well. We have really good basketball resources, yet we have 11 new faces and 9 of them can?t chew gum, walk, play defense, and/or throw one in the ocean! We signed a European player that missed 2 dunks in our first game, is a turnover machine, etc! Jans needs to do 2 things?.make some staff changes, and focus on signing scorers that are capable of playing defense. Again, we?re 2 games in, but damn we look like a G5 team at best.

[Saltydog]

In a state that is producing ZERO basketball talent right now. None.

That is absolutely true. Think of the number of players that came through this State during the 80's and 90's compared to now.

[HoopsDawg]

The hate Jans gets is unreal. He's an unbelievable coach

You wanted him fired last year.

[HoopsDawg]

I agree from an x's and o's perspective but there's two things that are a tad bit worrisome. First, our D was not good last year and it doesn't look any better this year. That's effort and is supposedly the trademark of his teams. Also, he's an average recruiter, at best. I realize some of that is tied to NIL. So, you take the good with the bad but as you said, we've been to three straight tourney's so I'll support him.

Im concerned that this is Jans first roster that is completely his and its clearly the worst roster we have had under him.

[HoopsDawg]

In a state that is producing ZERO basketball talent right now. None.

I don?t know what?s going on with MS basketball talent.

[parabrave]

I don?t know what?s going on with MS basketball talent.

AAU. And also kids with talent end up going out of state/ With one exception Booker who actually came to Moss Point.

[NCMSTFAN]

Kugel = cancer

Plz explain how. We had one year with him

[Thick]

Plz explain how. We had one year with him

I don?t know about cancer, but he definitely did not relate to Jans? style of coaching. He didn?t respond to ass chewing well!

[NCMSTFAN]

How about this - we are not a basketball power school, and he has gotten us to the post season for 3 straight years for only the second time in the history of the program.

Thats all fine and well but is that the standard? Saying we are not a basketball power school means what? Why cant we become a basketball power school. We have had success in basketball under Stans and Williams...

[NCMSTFAN]

I don?t know about cancer, but he definitely did not relate to Jans? style of coaching. He didn?t respond to ass chewing well!

Who does? Jans does that too much in my opinion. I think thats the reason we lost Epps

[HoopsDawg]

I don?t know about cancer, but he definitely did not relate to Jans? style of coaching. He didn?t respond to ass chewing well!

He got worse as the season went along. He was great early in the season vs Memphis. A lot of guys don?t like getting yelled out during the game. I may think it?s soft but its not 1994.

[DawgFromOxford]

Jans = basketball Dan Mullen

[msstate7]

You wanted him fired last year.

No I didn't. I stupidly called for him to be fired in year 1 after home Florida loss.

[msstate7]

Jans = basketball Dan Mullen

So he equals our best football coach ever. Awesome

[msstate7]

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[msstate7]

Thats all fine and well but is that the standard? Saying we are not a basketball power school means what? Why cant we become a basketball power school. We have had success in basketball under Stans and Williams...

Advocating for getting rid of Jans is program suicide. Everyone in the country but some state fans think Jans is doing an exceptional job. Us making the final four 29 (twenty nine!) years ago still has us thinking our program is much better viewed than it is.

Cal, pearl, tubby smith, and Jans are the only sec basketball coaches to make ncaa tourney in each of their first 3 seasons according to espn the other night, and ChatGPT just confirmed it. We really unhappy with Jans? Wow

[Thick]

Again, our offense is terrible! It?s 1 v 1, ball screen, and whoever can get an offensive rebound put back. Just on ball screens, no back picks, and absolutely no low post screens. It?s not fun to watch bc it?s boring, and 1 guy has to be red hot for anybody else can score. How many times do you see an entry pass from wing to the low post per game, or high low game? Exactly!

[msstate7]

Not sure what to read into (if anything) kenpom ratings this early, but it likes us so far...

#36 overall
#29 offense
#52 defense

Last year...
#33 overall
#24 offense
#46 defense

Our offense has been top 30 now for over a year now.

[msstate7]

Kenpom on Iowa st...
#8 overall
#26 offense
#3 defense

We played them in pretty much a road game. It was ugly for sure, but they're a damn good team and it isn't new...

2024 kenpom - 8th
2025 kenpom - 11th

[PGHBulldogBG]

If Ole Miss didn?t hire Beard our fan base would not be antsy with Jans. Beard got them to the sweet 16 in year 2 and they look good again, so I think that contributes to the critics. I love Jans and think he is a great coach, but that small grouping does have a point that as good as Jans is, Ole Miss made a bigger splash and has better results the past 2 years overall.

[msstate7]

If Ole Miss didn?t hire Beard our fan base would not be antsy with Jans. Beard got them to the sweet 16 in year 2 and they look good again, so I think that contributes to the critics. I love Jans and think he is a great coach, but that small grouping does have a point that as good as Jans is, Ole Miss made a bigger splash and has better results the past 2 years overall.

Beard is absolutely better than Jans. Maybe bill self will choke his wife out and we can hire an elite coach too.

Obviously I don't wish harm on bill self's wife... just making the point that OM only has a truly elite coach bc of his stupidity. They couldn't have hired him in a million years unless that incident happened. And enough time has passed that OM won't keep him long

[BrunswickDawg]

Thats all fine and well but is that the standard? Saying we are not a basketball power school means what? Why cant we become a basketball power school. We have had success in basketball under Stans and Williams...

Making the post season consistently should be our standard. What happens from there happens. Basically, you are saying Stans was more successful because he won 1 more game most of the years he went to the tourney? That's ridiculous. It also took Stans until his 4th season to even make the tourney. Jans has made it every season.

Now - if you want to argue that you don't like Jans style, and it may not be the best fit for us long term, I'm willing to listen. But so far he is meeting or exceeding our standards.

[EdwardDrayton]

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That's mismatching. What you ask of them is different from how you deliver the message. Some coaches, apparently including Jans, can't seem to grasp this. Different personalities respond differently to how the message is delivered. One trick pony coaches in terms of motivational strategy are never going to be all they can be.

[msstate7]

That's mismatching. What you ask of them is different from how you deliver the message. Some coaches, apparently including Jans, can't seem to grasp this. Different personalities respond differently to how the message is delivered. One trick pony coaches in terms of motivational strategy are never going to be all they can be.

Jans' track record doesn't suggest he needs to change his style.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Beard is absolutely better than Jans. Maybe bill self will choke his wife out and we can hire an elite coach too.

Obviously I don't wish harm on bill self's wife... just making the point that OM only has a truly elite coach bc of his stupidity. They couldn't have hired him in a million years unless that incident happened. And enough time has passed that OM won't keep him long

I know we don?t fall into that grouping, but their are is a large group of State fans that fall into this category and Ole Miss has the same grouping. They measure a coaches success based on how they compare to the other. Ironically though Jans is 5-1 on Ole Miss and 3-1 on Beard.

[EdwardDrayton]

Jans' track record doesn't suggest he needs to change his style.

That shouldn't be the determining factor. It's about can he be even better.

[msstate7]

That shouldn't be the determining factor. It's about can he be even better.

Could be. I just reject the idea that Jans is the problem with our program.

[Turfdawg67]

You wanted him fired last year.

Probably wished a horrible disease on him as well.

[Thick]

Not sure what to read into (if anything) kenpom ratings this early, but it likes us so far...

#36 overall
#29 offense
#52 defense

Last year...
#33 overall
#24 offense
#46 defense

Our offense has been top 30 now for over a year now.

Top 30 based off of last year?s team that had some scorers on it that are no longer here. We lost a lot of veteran players, and replacing them with several players that have no experience at this level. An organized, well run offensive approach can with the ?talent? we have be successful, but it will take a while with our current system. Better hope Hubb really gets hot!

[Turfdawg67]

So he equals our best football coach ever. Awesome

69-46! And hey, that's the 2nd most wins in school history. Dan bolted before he could become number one and have that dubious honor.

[msstate7]

69-46! And hey, that's the 2nd most wins in school history. Dan bolted before he could become number one and have that dubious honor.

What's our record since he left?

[msstate7]

Delete

[msstate7]

What's our record since he left?

I'll help you out...
45-50

[Turfdawg67]

I'll help you out...
45-50

I do miss those automatic UK and Vandy wins

[msstate7]

I do miss those automatic UK and Vandy wins

Just making stuff now, I see. Mullen faced vandy twice. We are 2-4 vs Kentucky since Mullen left. Just admit you're an idiot

[Coach34]

Beard is Mississippi's version of Jackie. They only got him due to his past

[DawgFromOxford]

So he equals our best football coach ever. Awesome

Didn?t say I was mad about it just a comparison.

Dan and Jans both raised their programs to good consistent winners but always seem to be middle of the pack and couldn?t move the needle to great. Always seems to be one aspect of the game that gets neglected that holds us back. Jans is in year 4 so not a long track record and as long as he is here, he still has time to continue to elevate the program above where he has already brought it.

For the record I?m glad Jans is at MSU. I think he?s good for us.

[Turfdawg67]

Just making stuff now, I see. Mullen faced vandy twice. We are 2-4 vs Kentucky since Mullen left. Just admit you're an idiot

Making stuff up? While at MSU, DM was...

* Vs Vanderbilt: 2-0
* Vs Kentucky: 8-1

I'd call those automatic wins. 10-1 is impressive

[Thick]

By the way, I?m not saying fire Jans. He needs an offensive minded assistant that has a better approach than what we currently have at this point.

[NCMSTFAN]

Advocating for getting rid of Jans is program suicide. Everyone in the country but some state fans think Jans is doing an exceptional job. Us making the final four 29 (twenty nine!) years ago still has us thinking our program is much better viewed than it is.

Cal, pearl, tubby smith, and Jans are the only sec basketball coaches to make ncaa tourney in each of their first 3 seasons according to espn the other night, and ChatGPT just confirmed it. We really unhappy with Jans? Wow

I never once said he needed to be fired.. I never advocate for any coach to be fired. Im only calling out what I see and what Ive seen so far this season is outside of Josh Hubbard, we have no offense and the defense hasnt looked great either. I haven't seen any player development under Jans either, thats not saying the man needs to be fired, but changes need to be made.

[msstate7]

I never once said he needed to be fired.. I never advocate for any coach to be fired. Im only calling out what I see and what Ive seen so far this season is outside of Josh Hubbard, we have no offense and the defense hasnt looked great either. I haven't seen any player development under Jans either, thats not saying the man needs to be fired, but changes need to be made.

If you're for telling a coach how to run his program, you're calling for him to be fired without saying it out loud. After all, if we think we know better than the guy we hired, we don't believe in the guy we hired.

[Thick]

[QUOTE=msstate7;1678019]If you're for telling a coach how to run his program, you're calling for him to be fired without saying it out loud. After all, if we think we know better than the guy we hired, we don't believe in the guy we hired.[/

Wtf???

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=msstate7;1678019]If you're for telling a coach how to run his program, you're calling for him to be fired without saying it out loud. After all, if we think we know better than the guy we hired, we don't believe in the guy we hired.[/

Wtf???

How many hires last when you start telling them to hire a new OC/DC? You either trust the guy you hired or you don't. I've always been an advocate of letting the HC run it how ever he chooses, and if the results aren't good enough... well, fire him.

[msstate7]

Now I'll be the first to admit our D falling off is concerning. If this continues, we could be seeing the end of Jans; but this shouldn't even be a consideration unless he crashes this season and doesn't rebound next. He's earned our trust imo

[msugolf]

If you're for telling a coach how to run his program, you're calling for him to be fired without saying it out loud. After all, if we think we know better than the guy we hired, we don't believe in the guy we hired.

Thats some next level BS right there

[PGHBulldogBG]

Just because a coach gets some critique doesn?t mean that he needs to be fired. Jans is a really good coach for us, but his defense last year and this year didn?t look like the defense his first two years. I?m not really sure what is going on there but we really need to fix that if we want to make the tournament. Last year we had the ability to make it by scoring, but that is not the case with this years team.

[Homedawg]

Who does? Jans does that too much in my opinion. I think thats the reason we lost Epps

Epps isn't gone

[msstate7]

Epps isn't gone

Imagine that... it was certain here the other night.

[msstate7]

Just because a coach gets some critique doesn?t mean that he needs to be fired. Jans is a really good coach for us, but his defense last year and this year didn?t look like the defense his first two years. I?m not really sure what is going on there but we really need to fix that if we want to make the tournament. Last year we had the ability to make it by scoring, but that is not the case with this years team.

If there's anything I'm fine with, it's critiquing coaches. Hell, I get in trouble with this all the time. I feel basically giving up on a coach that has been great here after 2 games of a long season is a little quick on the trigger. Quick on the trigger is another thing I know about: I was totally wrong on Jans his first season.

Once I know a guy knows what he's doing like Jans and Mullen, I will take up for them though. Having guys that get us to 8 wins in football pretty regularly and getting us to the ncaa tourney in MBk don't grow on trees.

[Homedawg]

Imagine that... it was certain here the other night.

Go figure...:

[NCMSTFAN]

If you're for telling a coach how to run his program, you're calling for him to be fired without saying it out loud. After all, if we think we know better than the guy we hired, we don't believe in the guy we hired.

Dude shut up. I can critique a coach without saying the man needs to be fired. With your logic I better never see you say anything negative about a Coach or player because Im gonna call you out about it and say you want said player or Coach to be fired. That makes absolutely no sense

[NCMSTFAN]

Thats some next level BS right there

Hahahaha!!! Exactly

[NCMSTFAN]

Epps isn't gone

I hope he's not.. we need him

[msstate7]

I hope he's not.. we need him

If homedawg says he isn't, then he isn't. If he gives you a matter of fact statement like that, bank on it.

[Thick]

[QUOTE=Thick;1678020]

How many hires last when you start telling them to hire a new OC/DC? You either trust the guy you hired or you don't. I've always been an advocate of letting the HC run it how ever he chooses, and if the results aren't good enough... well, fire him.

No one said fire him! He needs to hire an offensive minded assistant, plus that would open up recruiting opportunities. Look, I can?t dumb it down any further. I?m watching AR/LSU, and I?m glad VB is in Red Stick. aTm is getting it handed to them right now as well.

[msstate7]

[QUOTE=msstate7;1678021]

No one said fire him! He needs to hire an offensive minded assistant, plus that would open up recruiting opportunities. Look, I can?t dumb it down any further. I?m watching AR/LSU, and I?m glad VB is in Red Stick. aTm is getting it handed to them right now as well.

And again, if you start telling your HC who he needs to hire, the end is near. Give me one example of a HC working out when the AD starts telling a HC who to hire.

[Thick]

[QUOTE=Thick;1678037]

And again, if you start telling your HC who he needs to hire, the end is near. Give me one example of a HC working out when the AD starts telling a HC who to hire.

I?m not saying ?we? should tell him what he needs to do. I said HE needs to hire an offensive minded assistant, as in HE would notice that offense is an issue. By the way, I don?t want to be in the ?top 30? nationally offensively. I want top 20 or better, bc I do expect more from MBK. We have the money to be a top 25 plus team per year and making the tourney as a 5-7 seed, but being in the top half of the SEC. Reading comprehension might be your problem.

[msstate7]

I don't know about us being top 25 in NIL. Here's some estimates for teams around the country.

https://collegefootballnetwork.com/mens-college-basketball/top-10-college-basketball-programs-that-have-spent-the-most-nil-money-so-far-this-season/

The money some of these programs spend on NIL on just transfers is insane

ETA... I'm not saying we aren't spending top 25, but we aren't listed in any list of big spenders. ChatGPT couldn't find a number for basketball, but says this about our NIL program...

"Estimated NIL budget (collective) for MSU: ~$6.48 M/year via the Bulldog Initiative". This is for all sports.
It also says we can use revenue sharing, but there's no hard numbers out there.